Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[Manish_Sharma]

It's fine probably both Asaram and his son deserve to be punished jailed.

The question rises, why being selective about giving so much coverage to gurus' scandals?

First they went for Nirmal Baba who was doing Benny hinn evangelist kind of problem-solving mass sessions, but these kind of sessions are happening in thousands all over daily BY EVANGELIST PRIESTS, why not give them coverage. The moment Uma Bharti raised evangelist issue on media the whole thing went blank.

Now hundreds of thousand childrent molested abused by christian priests but no media raises the issue:

http://religiouschildabuse.blogspot.in/ ... rders.html

26 Jan 2011
India's Supreme Court orders investigation into trafficking of tribal children by missionaries after Christian pastor arrested

Ecumenical News International - December 6, 2010

Indian churches hail probe into pastor-led 'child trafficking'



Chennai, India (ENInews).

Church officials and activists have welcomed an investigation ordered by India's federal Supreme Court into trafficking in children by pastors and exploitative Christians eyeing ways to pull in foreign donations.

"Such unscrupulous social work by some Christians is bringing discredit to the entire Christian community. Such transplantation will not help the growth of the children," Bishop G. Devakadasham, the Church of South India's deputy moderator, told ENInews.

Devakadasham heads the CSI diocese of Kanyakumari in the southern Tamil Nadu state where the National Commission for Protection of Child Rights has conducted raids on dubious orphanages at the direction of the Supreme Court.

This article was found at:

http://www.eni.ch/news/item.php?id=4603

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The Times of India - April 1, 2010

SC orders probe into trafficking of NE kids


NEW DELHI: Following reports of 76 children from Assam and Manipur, most of them minor girls, being rescued from "homes" run by missionaries in Tamil Nadu, the Supreme Court on Wednesday ordered a probe into a possible trafficking racket involving tribal children.

The Tamil Nadu police, in its affidavit before the SC, said, "Pastor Shaji was arrested at Somanur in Coimbatore district on February 12 and remanded to judicial custody. Effective steps are being taken to nab the absconding accused Rev Paul."

A Bench comprising Chief Justice K G Balakrishnan and Justices Deepak Verma and B S Chauhan accepted amicus curiae Aparna Bhat's suggestion for a probe into the matter. The National Commission for Protection of Children's Rights will carry out the probe.

Additional solicitor-general Indira Jaising said the TN police had not detailed the facts of the case to the court. "How could these children be taken more than 1,000km away without anyone noticing anything," Jaising asked.


This article was found at:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 748702.cms

Last evening on "India" Newschannel deepak chaurasia was shouting at one of asaram disciples, the disciple retorted about christian priests and chaurasia said "they are naught raping like gurus".

Such a clear judgment. The media is doing it on dynasty ishara and it has agenda.

[Gus]

Not sure if you are being serious but it is not uncommon for men in their 70s to be able to perform in that department. Even men in their 90s have been known to father children naturally.

And sexual assaults can take place in many different forms so using this man's age as a defence is ridiculous.

True but it is rare for somebody to start sexual assaults at 73. Usually there is a history and it comes out when the first accusation comes out. Without that, I wonder how an allegation of 'sexual assault' can be proved.

[Gus]

tavleen singh

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/lets- ... a/1162932/

Such an ominous sense of bad times and foreboding hangs over political Delhi today that it is hard to remember that Sonia Gandhi took power in a happy, hopeful time 10 years ago. When she first chose Manmohan Singh to govern India on her behalf, the economy was booming, foreign investors were flocking to our shores and young Indians were coming home from studies abroad instead of staying on. Remember? Remember how economic analysts predicted that by 2050, at the latest, India would enter the ranks of middle-income countries and would become able to offer all her citizens a release from the unrelenting horror of poverty?

This dream of prosperity is what Sonia has killed in the decade that she has been India's de facto prime minister.....

[Prem]

As per Tweet by SSwami , TDK ( Mata Pootna) is advised by Desi Hakims to go to US for treatment. She will be out, gone for 90 days. Going by the Xongi past Mystery/history of sacrificing the leader to garnish sympathy votes, something "strange" is gonna happen.
Anyone taking bet ?

[Gus]

that makes so much sense and how can one bet against such concrete certainty, as clearly explained and proved in your short post.

[Hari Seldon]

OMG...OMG... what will we do now...
/snark off.

[Hari Seldon]

Nah, jhujar ji... Even if (and its a big if) INC has to sacri(ori)fice somebody it won't be a Nehru-Gandhi-Main0 true-born.... some lesser souls like the 'son-in-law of the nation' or why, even blue turban himself can be thrown under the bus for sympathy from ganapati this cycle, who knows, eh?

[ramana]

Hari Seldon the Wiki in Indian rupee has this ref:

^ Johri, Devika. "Devaluation of the Rupee: Tale of Two Years, 1966 and 1991". Centre for Civil Society. Retrieved 19 August 2013.

its a pdf. Please interpret it.

[nawabs]

Delhi elite: Most people no longer respect posh, English-speaking types

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/08/26/c ... 24499.html

Tavleen Singh has been writing hard-hitting articles about the elites of Lutyens’s Delhi – their tinted glass worldview, their snobberies and their parasitic life. She should know all about them, for she has been a part of that set all her life. For the elite, she is probably an infuriating turncoat, and they simply can’t understand her reasons for rocking the boat. How can they, when they have never ventured outside their cocoon? In order to know about the vast world outside, one needs to seriously engage with different kinds of people. Sleeping in a Dalit’s house, or travelling by a sanitised local train for one day does not bring new insights. Those are mere tokenisms, which ‘missy-babas’ mistake for experiencing the real world.

I know a little about Lutyens’s world and how it can stunt people’s minds. Growing up, my whole world was centered there. As a civil servant’s child, my friends and I lived in sheltered enclaves, went to the same kind of schools, and often married people from similar backgrounds. The problems that affected the general population were alien to us. Housing, electricity, gas connections and medical care were things that didn’t concern us. Our world moved on its unique axis. We never had to deal with a policeman at a thana, for instance. We just picked up the phone and called an ‘uncle’, and the problem was sorted out. If we wanted a pass for an event, we called another ‘uncle’, and it was arranged. When others talked about their issues, we understood them at an intellectual level, but at the end of the day it was someone else’s problem.

Mercifully, civil servants were not permanent residents of Lutyens’s Delhi. They got transferred out periodically, sometimes to remote places, and eventually retired. Their children were, therefore, forced to move out of their comfort zone and deal with the other realities. However, there is another species – a core group that has persisted in the hallowed zone for generations. Their realities for decades have begun and ended at Lutyens’s Delhi (and perhaps a few ‘suburbs’ like Maharani Bagh, Malcha Marg and Vasant Vihar).

The most obvious members of this core elite are the political dynasties – some have entire Lutyens’s zones dedicated to them as museums and memorials. However, it includes a whole ecosystem of businessmen, fixers, lawyers, journalists, posh NGO-types and even academics. You will be surprised to know how these groups have been interlinked through generations.

Note that elites are not a uniquely Lutyens’s phenomenon. Every society has an elite but Lutyens’s Delhi has been very successful in perpetuating a club where heredity always trumps merit. India has other elites too – Bollywood, business families and so on. However, the fundamental difference is that the other groups are not directly funded by taxpayer’s money (at least in theory).

The Delhi elite operate in a closed, incestuous circuit where there is little feedback from the outside world. In other societies, the media serves as a feedback mechanism. In India, the English language media treats this group with kid gloves and deference, compounding the mental isolation. This is not surprising as many of the leading journalists are children of the old elite (which is a story in its own right). Even the international media provides no feedback since it too derives its stories from the same class.

As a result of this inbreeding, pampering and isolation, India now has a group that would put Mary Antoinette to shame. The consistently illogical or insensitive responses from the Government are a consequence of the mental disassociation from ground realities. Think back to the reactions during last year’s Delhi rape case for instance. If the elite had understood people’s fears and anguish, they would have stood with their compatriots in solidarity, instead of responding with tear-gas, water-cannons and lathi charge. But they could not understand because their own lives were protected behind taxpayer-funded ‘Z’ category security. To them, the intrusion of thousands of ‘outsiders’ on their home turf was far more threatening.

Remember the outrage when MP Raj Babbar glibly claimed that people could eat a hearty meal for 12 rupees, or when Farooq Abdullah declared that one could buy a meal for one rupee? I don’t think it was just a case of silly politicians deliberately out to insult the masses. In their world, they never had to worry about hunger or stress about 80 rupees a kilo onions. It was more a case of ‘let them eat cake’.

Recall the Uttarakhand episode, when Rahul Gandhi flew in by helicopter, surrounded by a security cordon, and Army officers vacated their quarters to accommodate him. He was criticised for going there despite the Chief Minister’s ban on all VIPs .The appropriateness of his visit is not the relevant debate here. The thing to note was Congress spokesperson Renuka Chaudhary’s defence, where she claimed with a straight face, on national television, that Rahul Gandhi was there as an ordinary citizen. The sheer absurdity of the comment was plain for all to see, but it was clearly not apparent to her. This is hardly surprising, for in the ‘missy-baba’ world of privilege, dichotomy is just a normal way of life.

As Tavleen Singh said, real change will only happen when the elite are forced out of their cocoon and made to face grim realities. Till then, we will have to deal with various ‘rights to food, education and healthcare’ type of solutions. I second her opinion, a million times over.

As a former fringe member of Lutyens’s Delhi, I admit with great humility that I’ve had access to the best that my country has had to offer. But a vast majority of my people struggle for basic things. It is a galling realisation, which will hopefully dawn even on the Delhi elite soon. The writing on the wall is clear for all those who are willing to see. Most people no longer respect the posh, English-speaking types who look down at the rest, while they air kiss their way through la-la land. It is time for a reality check. This can happen willingly through introspection. Or it will simply be forced by a restive, resentful population, as Mary Antoinette found out.

[Atri]

If a leader like LBS asks the ppl of this country to donate gold for saving the economy and if people genuinely believe in that leader, they will gladly donate. India demands a credible leader. People will follow. Not sure of NaMo is such a leader as yet. But he is best contender to grab that spot of next Hindu-hriday Samraat.

This term has interesting history. The first person who was given this title by people was Savarkar. Two-three years after his death, rise of Bal Thakre started and he became second Person post 1980's. with death of BT, the post is vacant. NaMo can clinch that position nationally. He should aim for this, everything else will follow.

[panduranghari]

As per Tweet by SSwami , TDK ( Mata Pootna) is advised by Desi Hakims to go to US for treatment. She will be out, gone for 90 days. Going by the Xongi past Mystery/history of sacrificing the leader to garnish sympathy votes, something "strange" is gonna happen.
Anyone taking bet ?

Somehow I think it will boomerang like everything else is boomeranging on the congis

[Comer]

If Bal Thackeray is one of the Hindu Hriday Samrat then the bar is so low.

[Atri]

If Bal Thackeray is one of the Hindu Hriday Samrat then the bar is so low.

It is about the willingness of a politician to don that title, Saravana ji. BT was a local leader, yes. But he was not apologetic about that title and wore it proudly, even when certain poliical stalwarts of RJB were running for cover after Babri demolition.

The bar, at least in my mind, is that of veer Savarkar. He was the original HHS. MKG could have been one but just like LKA, he chickened out to find an easy way.

[Comer]

Atriji my limited point is it was one among his many hats which he wore as he saw fit. That is not to diminish his deeds

[Atri]

Atriji my limited point is it was one among his many hats which he wore as he saw fit. That is not to diminish his deeds

Agree. Complety agree Saravana ji. Hence i said BT is not a standard to follow and not a bar to judge HHS in my mind.

I am merely conjecturing about NaMo's run towards grabbing this title. There is no one in the run. I am merely wishing him good luck. Whatever moily, and chiddu types are asking from country to save the economy some of it might be necessary. This is where the moral and personal integrity of the leader comes into picture.

There is nothing more beautiful and alluring in this world than a "Nishkalanka Paurush" (vaguely blameless or stainless manhood). This is what is really meant by concept of Urdhvaretaa and this is what a brahmachari is supposed to be (married or unmarried is immaterial).

This is why people like Shivaji, Madhavrao, Harihara-Bukka, Rana Pratap, Guru Govind Singh, Bhagat Singh et al, Swami Vivekananda, Savarkar, today's Ramdev, NaMo even Rajiv Malhotra,Rajiv Dixit command this appeal. They so far possess Nishkalank Paurusha. Hope they continue growingin that stature. Not all such beholders of blameless manhood become political leaders. But it is such men who make the civilizations.

[krishnan]

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 130902.htm

Contrary to public perception, Asaram Bapu had some powerful backers within the Congress.

A Union minister from Madhya Pradesh is said to have lobbied hard to throw a protective ring around the controversial godman in the run-up to his arrest for alleged sexual assault on a minor.

In a cabinet meet, the minister openly said that action against Asaram would hurt the Congress in the Madhya Pradesh assembly polls.

Finance Minister P Chidambaram intervened, arguing that criminal cases must be decided by the law and not political fallout. The prime minister backed Chidambaram.

[kapilrdave]

Wondering, what is it that cannot be done by maino within India? Her (and her son's) daily routine is fairly opaque. Besides there is no dearth of her chamchas who could do the job for her in US. Or, is she really suffering from something that congis don't want to reveal for us?

(I have a funny disease in my mind that I don't want to tell ya )

[Pranav]

Very good analysis -

Narendra Modi as the anti-Nehru - http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/DCrr6B9 ... Nehru.html

[krishnan]

Wondering, what is it that cannot be done by maino within India? Her (and her son's) daily routine is fairly opaque. Besides there is no dearth of her chamchas who could do the job for her in US. Or, is she really suffering from something that congis don't want to reveal for us?

(I have a funny disease in my mind that I don't want to tell ya )

it could just be a cover for something else, she might very well wont even go to US.

[kapilrdave]

Not going US would require even bigger cover ups. I hope IB and RAW are watching out. It might come handy in future.

[RamaY]

Very good analysis -

Narendra Modi as the anti-Nehru - http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/DCrr6B9 ... Nehru.html

This guys talk about "Nehruvian Consensus". What is that animal? Did it solve any single problem for India?

To my eyes, the consensus is only among the British and their dhimmi feudal slaves.

[Atri]

Very good analysis -

Narendra Modi as the anti-Nehru - http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/DCrr6B9 ... Nehru.html

This guys talk about "Nehruvian Consensus". What is that animal? Did it solve any single problem for India?

To my eyes, the consensus is only among the British and their dhimmi feudal slaves.

Great post by RajeshA garu about defining Nehruvianism..

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1409410

Hindu & Bharatiya

Atri

But there was a crucial change that was happening in west. West had begun its journey of departing from abrahmic idealism (literalism) and slowly began to return to their Roman ways. The whole reformation, renaissance, french revolution and gradual decline in stature of religion from public lives seen in west. This has given rise to secularism and western civilization.

There is huge difference between abrahmic onslaught and secular onslaught (although it started through abrahmic people. It includes Communism). Hindus, by the means of Loksangraha, managed to overthrow the domination of "people with religion" - it was out and out religious struggle. First against Muslims, then against Christians (1857). Heck, even the independence movement was a "religious" movement where Hindus fought to liberate their country and the native others simply piggy-backed.

But the nature of enemy had changed drastically by then. It required different "super-ego" to make people come together against west. The deracination makes it difficult to think in mind and answer the crucial question - What is mine and what is not mine - which inturn begs the answer to the fundamental question of all - Koham (who am I)..

...

There is no identity to rally against the third demon which is clear and present danger. The taqleef with "Hindu" which is been shouted is this. But those shouting and cursing "Hindu" should understand that it is very much relevant and essential identity and them cursing it is only going to hurt them. They are shouting against "Hindu" seeing its impotence against secularism and nehruvianism, without looking at its efficacy against abrahmic. The proponents of "Hindu" OTOH, should realize that it indeed is impotent against secularism and nehruvianism and new identity is required to facilitate the "Loksangraha" of Sajjana people..

Atri garu,

Nehruvianism consists of Westernism, Secularism and Socialism.

Nehruvian-Socialism itself consists of Nationalized Industry, Licence-Raj and Welfare (Handout) State. Some of it has been done away with, while some is still being promoted.

Nehruvian-Westernism was basically Macaulayism. It is still entrenched in media, education and national discourse. But there has been substantial discrediting of it, and through alternative media, may one day have to concede defeat. I consider the later Globalism a separate phenomenon.

Nehruvian-Secularism is basically a thin but solid veneer to hide sheer Islamo-Christianism underneath and is based on cooking the Hindu frog on low heat.

[sum]

One more front opened by INC. Who else is the journo with "the sting op" but a ex-Tehelka guy?
Sting op claims BJP MPs Javadekar, Yadav fixed Tulsi Parajpati fake encounter case

Since having Bihar ki Beti, Ishrat and known scum like Sohrabbudin as faces to nail Modi was only back-firing, why not start off with a Hindu guy now to try your luck?

[vishvak]

Nothing to show even for dividing majority Hindu vote

In fact con race has nothing to lose on state subjects : shows total bankruptcy of politics other than divide and rule. The encounter was operation by 4 states so how can it be BJP specific when rest of 3 states were ruled by con race. Just because encounter took place in Gujarat therefore not secular?

Con race can not fight on development issue, in fact not any issue at all perhaps going by this.

[svinayak]

Very good analysis -

Narendra Modi as the anti-Nehru - http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/DCrr6B9 ... Nehru.html

This guys talk about "Nehruvian Consensus". What is that animal? Did it solve any single problem for India?

To my eyes, the consensus is only among the British and their dhimmi feudal slaves.

That is another word for DIE, socialism and crony capitalism.

[nawabs]

CONgi media handlers perfected the timing of Bapu hitjob, immediately after Dabholkar murder. Already Maha CM has compared this with Gandhi killing. pseudointellectuals are itching to lampoon Hinduism.

So, get ready for Burkha, Bunty-Bublee & assorted media scums spinning this as Hindu Godman from Modi's Gujarat.

they also are in the process of passing anti-superstition law which will make most of the Hindu rituals and practices illegal..

Here is the draft of the proposed law which was kept hanging for 20 years..

http://www.antisuperstition.org/index.p ... &Itemid=80

After a long and gruelling campaign by ANS for the past eight years to enact a Law against Superstition which harm the citizens, the Maharashtra State Government under the leadership of the new Chief Minister Hon. Sushilkumar Shinde has passed in their Cabinet meeting such a law and sent it to the Central Government for their approval. The antecedents and the efforts that were put into by reformists to achieve such bold act are quite praiseworthy, though we have to go a long way to achieve the desired results. This will be the first law of its kind in India and may be in the world.

As the population of modern human increased on our planet, and they began to live in larger groups in tribes, to prevent dispute and aggressive behavior between members of the group or tribe, certain rules and regulations became necessary so that the member of the group could lead a relatively peaceful life. As human beings civilized more acceptable rules and regulations became necessary. As the human species civilizes into a more advanced and noble society, these rules and regulations or laws, which have regulated life of human societies, are modified when ever necessary from time to time. This evolution is still on. In our part of the world a large segment of the present society requires appropriate laws to protect them from unscrupulous members of society, which use misinformation and misguidance to cheat and harm them. To be more precise, at this moment of time in this part of the world superstitions exist in a very large extent in the majority of uneducated and educated strata of society. It is also a fact that their exist large number of people whose main means of livelihood is to misuse these superstitious beliefs and fill their own coffers. If societies have to be more civilized this situation has to be changed. This could be changed on the one hand by educating the people and on the other by preventing unscrupulous elements in society from taking advantage of the ignorance of people. Hence it is very necessary to enact a law to protect the people from such unscrupulous members of society.

Need for the Law: Questions are always posed as to whether society changes simply by enactment of rules and laws? The ineffectiveness of laws for prohibition of dowry and prohibition of alcohol consumption are cited to prove that society dose not change. But this is not the full truth. Even if we accept, that enactments of laws alone, does not compel the society to change, historical evidence in the cases of prohibition of practice of Sati, and other such uncivilized practices, proves that enactment of laws has helped society to give up such evil, uncivilized practices. Moreover, if there is an active social agitation going on in the society, against some undesirable belief systems and if a large section of society is actively participating in eradicating harmful superstitious beliefs, and then the enactment of such a law will certainly accelerate this process. Moreover, people, social reformers and well-wishers desire that in the interest of the community, their representatives should ratify such an act as early as possible.

Draft Bill: The novelty of this draft law is that it does not get entrapped in the argument of defining faith and blind faith. Hence at this point of time, what is to be considered as blind faith is given in a separate schedule. This list can be periodically updated. Hence the impediment for the enactment of this law has been overcome. The list is quite really exhaustive and includes most common superstitions prevailing in Maharashtra. The list includes

• to perform Karni, Bhanamati,
  to perform magical rites in the name of supernatural power,
  to offer ash, talisman, charms etc. for the purpose of exorcism and to drive out evil spirits or ghosts,
  to claim possession of supernatural powers and to advertise this claim,
  to defame, disgrace the names of erstwhile Saints/ Gods, by claiming to be there reincarnation and thus cheating the gullible and God-fearing simple folks.
  to claim to be possessed by divine power or evil power and then perform miracles in the name of such powers.
  to punish and to beat mentally ill patients in the belief that they are possessed by evil spirits.
  to perform Aghori rites.
  to perform so called black magic and spread fear in society.
  to perform "Gopal Santan Vidhi" to beget a male offspring.
  to oppose scientific medical treatment and to coerce to adopt Aghori treatment.
  to sell or deal in so-called magic stones, talisman, bracelets, charms.
  to become possessed by supernatural powers and then pretend to give answers to any questions in this mental state.
  to sacrifice innocent animals for the appeasement of gods or spirits.
  to dispense magical remedies for curing rabies and snake bites.
  to dispense medical remedies with claims of assured fertility.

Shiv Sena supports anti-Black Magic Bill

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/T618Cj ... -Bill.html

Uddhav Thackeray, president of the opposition Shiv Sena party in Maharashtra, on Monday expressed his support for the anti-black magic ordinance that will be tabled in the winter session of the Maharashtra legislative assembly.
“I read the ordinance and found nothing objectionable in it and I will speak to all those who are still opposing the ordinance,” Thackeray told reporters after inaugurating a municipal hospital in the western suburb of Kandivali on Monday.

After the ordinance was issued, the Sena and some other right wing Hindu groups had opposed it, calling it a knee-jerk reaction to the murder of anti-superstition activist Narendra Dabholkar, and asked the government to open a dialogue with religious organisations before tabling it in the winter session of the assembly.Dabholkar was shot dead in Pune on 19 August. On 21 August, the Maharashtra government issued an ordinance converting the anti-Black Magic Bill into law.

The principal opposition party in the state, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), an alliance partner of the Sena, however, has been silent on the matter so far.

[Vikas]

Doesn't it feel strange that Congress instead of saving their sinking ship is doing nothing and I mean absolutely nothing to offer something to people for next election. It is as if as a political party they are bent upon committing the harakiri. They dont care about us is common knowledge but trying to destroy us and our future so blatantly is beyond belief.
I can't remember any govt so drunk with power that they no longer care. Only equivalent of this kind of behavior is Communist rule or military dictatorship. Forget the fact that the country is going to Dogs and UPA has become the most hated govt since IG's Emergency govt and yet Congress leaders act and behave as if all is honky dory. Add to Heart meal for Rs.12 or "oh dont call me chor" PM 's fake acting on the floor of the house. Even the regular vote banks of Congress are suffering horribly due to socio-economic state of affairs. Why would anyone Vote for return of UPA despite FSB and NAREGA or any other alphabetical crap.

On top they have very strong Challenger in NaMo who knowingly or unknowingly has been given free publicity and plate form by Congress supported media. His way of working and ideas would not have become so popular if Congressi leaders didn't try to nail anything that he touched to please the dynasty.

I cant think of any other reason other than the confidence that EVM somehow will again deliver for Congress or is it something else.
There is a feeling of revolution brewing in the country and say whatever you may want but one can see it in the eyes of ordinary folks who can't bring food for their kids or cant find work or have to face humiliation by Govt on daily basis.

Late thought to connect the dots: There used to be a rumor that RG and his wife were ready to run out of country along with kids when IG lost in 1977 due to fear of reprisal. Just saying..

[RamaY]

^ you are assuming that they are worried about the ship (sinking of floating) to begin with. They are interested in their lives (they have life boats) and wealth (already on life boats) and nothing else.

They don't care whether the ship survives or not, for they are interested in the riches lying in the ocean/river-bed.

They used colonial ship to exploit the resources before, not the democratic ship. If this sinks, they will come to use any ship that anchors here.

[Sanku]

Why would anyone Vote for return of UPA despite FSB and NAREGA or any other alphabetical crap.

They just did in Kkta.

This is real, people vote Congress, even in Gujarat 35% people vote congress. Despite everything.

India does not vote on the basis of the issues discussed in BRF. India votes on default choices, local politicians, grass-root organizations, caste, last day money. Promise of handouts etc etc.

Even in a presidential battle, Pappu has a chance against NaMo, some one who should be laughed and guided to the nearest assisted learning program for challenged youngsters has a chance against NaMo.

This IS the reality of India.

[Vayutuvan]

BJP should field a party candidate in every constituency not covered by a local party who is alliance with them. As Harbans said, the wave may be much stronger than everybody is assuming. Congress never has this problem - their default mode is to contest everywhere.

[RamaY]

http://greatandhra.com/viewnews.php?id= ... 15&scat=16

Rupee-Modi discussion.

The future of this country lies in the hands of the young generation and the roots of that are the colleges spread across India.

Thanks to social media and internet, the awareness aspect has gone very high among today’s generation and it is heard that in many Colleges one discussion is happening very strongly.

This is about the fall of rupee and its consequences. Everybody is abusing the Congress regime and the way it has disgraced its people and country. On student’s perspective the biggest issue is higher education fees. Those who are appearing for GRE, TOEFL have mentioned the study fee burden in US, UK has become very high.

If they have to apply for top colleges the fees has shot up to 30k-50k and due to the rupee issue, the bank loan burden is enormous. For the students, they have to buy seats in rupees so the situation is very bad. All are thinking that unless Modi comes to power and takes some revolutionary measures, situation will not improve.

Congress is trying to create three traps for Modi.

1. Communal Vs Secular
The best strategy for NM is to select 540x Gujarati Muslims and Christians as his ambassadors and send them to each parliamentary constituency to tell how NM is not anti-minority but Pro-Bharat, which includes minorities.

2. Middle-Class Vs Poor
This will be a tricky one for Congress has upper-hand by having the history of subsidy regime.

3. Business Interests Vs Workers/Labor class
This is more of a perception issue, which NM has to build upon.

[Vikas]

^ What am I going to do with subsidy if I can't afford even onion ?
People vote for many reasons and one of them is 'Not this party" and thats where congress gets to win elections after every few years.
Even KA they won because people were sick and tired of BJP shenanigans and there was no other alternative in sight.
The moment people have a viable option like in TN or UP or WB, congress has been kicked out like a dog with flee.
Of course I still don't know why anyone would vote for Congress in LS election. The people who benefited from Congress raj probably wont vote anymore.

[Vikas]

^ you are assuming that they are worried about the ship (sinking of floating) to begin with. They are interested in their lives (they have life boats) and wealth (already on life boats) and nothing else.

They don't care whether the ship survives or not, for they are interested in the riches lying in the ocean/river-bed.

They used colonial ship to exploit the resources before, not the democratic ship. If this sinks, they will come to use any ship that anchors here.

Somehow Independence in 1947 brought back same set of people who were ruling us before Poms or on behalf of Poms. Only change was that few more groups got added to ruling elite.
So unless we can actually make "Scepter and crown must tumble down and in dust be equal made", there is no end to new dynasty rising and lording over us.
Already we are seeing minor dynasties like in SAD and DMK and SP and NCP and NC. Congress is nothing but big daddy of all dynasties. We need ruthless rule of some fiercely independent Desh-bhakt team for 10-15 years to cleanse the system and its soul.
ABV had a chance but he was soft and poetic while PVN and Morarji Desai were part of the same system and were not trying to cleanse the system.

[Sushupti]

Mission Yeddy patchup: Karnataka’s BJP leaders to meet Modi


http://www.firstpost.com/politics/missi ... 79293.html

[VinodTK]

From The Deccan Chronicale: Rupee falling, Narendra Modi smiling

Surely and not that slowly, the momentum of the election has swung to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. With a crisis breaking on a frustrated middle-class population every week — corruption, rape, the slowing of the economy, the rising price of gold, the falling value of the rupee — the erosion of Congress credibility is complete.

Nothing other than an innings spent off the field, letting others do the playing for a few years, will now rejuvenate the party in the minds of the middleclass. This might not be clear to Congressmen, currently elated at the wondrous food bill, but they are in a position similar to the mid-1990s, when they were on the margins. Even those who saw them with some favour will have given up this year, and this is particularly so for the urban middle class.

If this section of India’s population is growing, as the government says it has been under the Congress, this may not ultimately work in the party’s favour electorally. The Bharatiya Janata Party is actually the party that best represents the Indian middle-class.

It is amazing how much faith this group has on the restorative powers of Modi, but he speaks their language so effectively that it has become so.
They look to him as the government seems unable to do anything right.

The one thing over which the Prime Minister confidently thumped his chest — figuratively of course — was his excellence at managing the economy, and in particular ensuring high gross domestic product (GDP) growth.

He accepted all the faults he was credited with — failure to curb corruption, inability to pass legislation, incompetence at managing his allies, silence at his own ministers’ doings — but kept pointing out that his government had made India grow at eight per cent plus for years. That defence of his, to ass­ume all was fine and most of it acceptable as long as the economy roared, is now not just undermined but utterly tattered and now totally untenable.

Manmohan Singh says that his doings are only partly responsible for the rupee crisis and the rest of it is due to the vagaries of the global economy. If that were so, then what use having a financial wizard at the helm?

In any case, the economic management of the government according to the consensus in the media, financial ins­titutions and the corporate sector, has been flawed. It has directly been res­ponsible for the happenings of the last few days. The crash of the rupee and the serious repercussions that will now follow are to be blamed on the government.

Modi has made the best of this crisis. He has not been prescriptive — economics not being his strong suit — but most effective at telegraphing the middle-class frustration and anger at the government’s performance. He has ben­efited from the crisis and is appearing to many as the man to bring India out of it. That is only one of two advantages he had reaped.

For a while it seemed that it would be Modi who would remain the subject of election debate. Now it is clear that the government will, for a long period, be under attack on the economy from third front constituents who will ignore Modi as a secondary target for the time being.

The pressure is on Congress president Sonia Gandhi alone, because Dr Singh is not going to allow himself to be put up again (nor will the party allow it) as leader of the Cabinet after 2014.
For now, Modi is in an excellent place. He can lob his rocks at the government and is protected against att­acks on his person because the ans­wers are all being demanded of the hapless Congress and seemingly helpless Con­gress president.

[Hari Seldon]

RSS leader meets Advani, Sushma to clear way for Modi (TOI)

RSS sources said a few senior party leaders, while stressing that they were not opposed to Modi being declared PM candidate, expressed the view that the party should be prudent about the timing of the move. Sources said these leaders would prefer that the decision is deferred until after the elections in four states slated for October-November lest a reverse in the semi-final dulls the sheen of the party's mascot.

BJP sources conceded that there was no unanimity on timing, and that the divergence might lead the RSS and the party president to announce a decision in Modi's favour even if there is no unanimity. "Complete unanimity will continue to elude. With crucial time being lost, we will have to take a decision on the basis of the majority opinion in the parliamentary board which is already stacked in Modi's favour," said a source familiar with the details of RSS leadership's deliberations with the dominant section in the BJP.

"We have to clinch it this month even if a few refuse to come on board," the source further said, summing up the mood in the party that the leadership will have to go ahead even at the cost of the annoyance of a couple of bigwigs and sullenness of others.

The number of those who remain opposed to early declaration has come down and will, in the final analysis, shrink to just a couple when the chips are finally down.

The decision on Modi's projection will be taken any time after the two-day deliberations between RSS and BJP leadership, beginning here on Sept 8.

Although there was some speculation over Shivraj Singh Chouhan's discussions with RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat in the capital on Sunday, sources said the MP chief minister will not come in the way of the majority opinion.

[SaiK]

It is not only important for Team Modi to patch up with KJP team, and it is also necessary to create a larger presence in TN and KL. I think TN and KL if they can get 10 sets each, that is making a big stage in SI. It is easy to get it, if they focus on development and bring out a concrete plan for SI integration.

Roads and Infra are the biggest vote getter for SI. Another big area vote bank is getting ganga water down.. listen to APJ Kalam ji.

[svinayak]

There has been work on getting atleast 5 MLAs in TN and KL.
That is all needed to change the face of the politics in these two state.

Next is AP and we need a south India strategy for defence, economy and culture including anti conversion

[Hari Seldon]

Looming polarization in UP, Bihar worries government (TOI)

Fun read.

[disha]

Not covered., but Amit Shah's townhall meeting with people well attended in UP.