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panduranghari wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:It seems LKA and gang met the President and demanded early polls. Naturally they do not want NM to settle and organise the things. early elections will be advantageous to INC with UP and Bihar BJP units require more organising time.
OR perhaps by BJP asking early polls, congress will refuse thus giving Modi more time.
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RamaY wrote:
chaanakya wrote: Amit Shah became Minister of State for Home,Transport, Prohibition and Excise on December 22, 2002 whenNew cabinet was formed. So he was MOS in 2002 when reverberations of Gujarat riot was still fresh.
( from his Offical Facebook entry)

However, during Riot Govardhan Zadaphiya was MoS Home in Gujarat.
Saar,

Gujrat riots happened for a whole week between Feb'28 and March 1st. AS become HM in end of December, paltry 9 months after the riots.

Yes the reverberations of Gujarat riots ware still fresh, and they are still fresh for the MSM and Termite-Queendom even now.
AS name is not for Gujarat Riots but for Encounter cases mainly, which is what Vanzara was refering to. However I was merely making a limited point that AS was MoS in Gujarat in 2002 and not in 2003. Of course as MoS Home As would have crucial role in dealing with aftermath of riots. That is a given.
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Singha et al What you are asking for is the French Revolution redux. I submit that France suffered mightly from that revolution and got pushed back atleast a hundred years and Britain got advantage of the Industrial Revolution.

Besides such a purge is adharmic and does not suit India that is Bharat.

As an example I submit the Krishna's actions for restoring the Yadavas after the killing of Kamsa. He ensured they would be together and united to resist Jarasandha's forces and by crowning Ugrasena as the raja he ensured good governance. He even enabled expatriate Yadavas, who had fled Kamsa's misrule, to come back and augment the Yadava clan strength.

India needs to be united after the mis-rule of the Congress for the coming maelstorm..
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Ramana, But in the end Krishna had to get get whole Yadav clan to be culled when they became completely Adharmic. Who knows whether we are facing a Kamsa or Yadav kids have become drunk with power and require complete wipe out.
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Its was yuganta.

Right now we will face the end of Kamsa's time and need to shelter all while circling the wagons.
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Ramanaji,

I do not think GD means an physical purge of individuals but purging them from political/social scene.

All the termite family members and their boot lickers must be summarily and surely removed from political, social and economic scene for all the generations that are active as on the purge date. New generations should be allowed only when they go thru a comprehensive deracination process.

This retirement program must include, but not limited to:
- Taking over all their internal and external financial interests
- Prosecuting them for all the corrupt decisions and punishing the guilty
- Publicly retiring these individuals and making sure that the public understand what happened to them
- Retiring them to a nice place where they are accessible for future use (many of them can be useful for Indian Interests, within and outside the nation).
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SaiK wrote:at least a jail term is must for the criminals. can we identify the crime in the first place?

secondly, no babu post for criminals. sending peoplecriminals to gallows is something the society must vote for.
Yes. We need to identify key failure areas. All key policy makers, administrators and political leaders who hindered it must be made responsible.

For beginners we should setup special courts, with time limits, for each of the scams from 1947 and punish the guilty - living and dead (remove all their Padma* awards). Even if people are exonerated, they should be retired and made available for future use.
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I don't think it is adharmic to punish those who insist on foisting a parasitical order from above, on the commoners.
the servile insects who insist that only their own version of rulership is the right one, and will go to any extent to dominate, need to be punished.

based on the close reading of the regional Andhra politicking, I have come to the conclusion that at some point, the collaborators will have to be punished. think of what the Communists did in the 60's and 70's in AP (not the post-Emergency Naxals and PWG's). What they did was perfectly dharmik. I am eternally grateful to them for that phase. Their ideology allowed them to take that extra few steps which the "mainstream" and "dharmik" ones wouldn't dare to take.

they became twisted later on, but that is a complicated issue, and has much to do with the selective elimination and propping up in their orders, by the ruling Rashtra.

in the early phase, the Communists had specific goals and they targeted a specific section of feudals who went to great lengths to join hands with the Islamics and prop up the Nizam for more than 2 centuries. Anybody who says that this was adharmik doesn't understand the meaning of Dharma.
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It is Dharmic to kill the Adharmic; even in a brutal manner suitable to the Adharmic nature of the individual.

What is Adharmic though is Sicilian Justice; to punish the dharmic family members for the deeds of Adharmics.
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with respect to INC, I am against making an enemy of the bureaucracy in its entirety. There is a section of them which we can never fully trust, and nor should we try such a delusional thing.

but the bureaucracy is vast, and it has acted as a buffer from any "revolutionary" programs from being implement in a top-down fashion. for that reason, I think they have done their part in wearing down some of the inimical forces acting against Bharat. in the long-term, they will need to become leaner and meaner, but that is a thing for the long-term. not for short-term political moves.
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RamaY wrote:It is Dharmic to kill the Adharmic; even in a brutal manner suitable to the Adharmic nature of the individual.

What is Adharmic though is Sicilian Justice; to punish the dharmic family members for the deeds of Adharmics.
"dharmic family members" is hard to classify. what if they knew all along and were happy to benefit from the atrocities, even if they didn't actively participate in them?

many of the "dharmic family members" will be in that mold. willing to turn their eyes away, knowing fully well what was going on.

this too I speak from personal experiences, and even more anecdotes from within family, and from friends in the rural centers. I keep bringing up the early Commie phase b/c it's a very good case study. Once the elite feudals decided to join hands with alien ideologies, more often than not, they were happy to turn a blind eye, even knowing what was being done by their "friends". how do you classify them if not as "adharmik"? their money power is used to prop up the "friends". they collect taxes (more like penury) on behalf of "friends", and help the "friends" is suppressing any outbreaks of dissidence or rebellion. oh, but they don't actively take part in the rape, killing, and loot. what does that make them?!?!
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ramana wrote:Singha et al What you are asking for is the French Revolution redux. I submit that France suffered mightly from that revolution and got pushed back atleast a hundred years and Britain got advantage of the Industrial Revolution.

Besides such a purge is adharmic and does not suit India that is Bharat.

As an example I submit the Krishna's actions for restoring the Yadavas after the killing of Kamsa. He ensured they would be together and united to resist Jarasandha's forces and by crowning Ugrasena as the raja he ensured good governance. He even enabled expatriate Yadavas, who had fled Kamsa's misrule, to come back and augment the Yadava clan strength.

India needs to be united after the mis-rule of the Congress for the coming maelstorm..
India may have to absorb some of the elements of congress into the mainstream and into BJP to make sure that the society is united and it is not polarized. Western interest and media want to drive a wedge inside Indian political debate and society by their pawns inside India.
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http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/ban ... epage=true

it all can start from BBMP.. more hygienic and less traffic bengaluru should fetch the votes.
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Ramana: by purge, it doesnt mean extermination. Perhaps shuddhi is a better phrase. Its not a one size fits all treatment. People in the political establishment/media/bureaucracy/NGOs etc would fall into the following categories:

1) Those who must be punished - even here, the quantum of punishment would vary based on the nature of their perfidy & what's in the best interest of the nation
2) Those who must be turned/co-opted/granted asylum etc in exchange for turning over a new leaf and helping the dharma-yudh. A subset of these would be the mercenaries who must be "used" but an eye to be kept on them
3) Those who are on the side of dharma to be elevated to positions of authority per their merit
4) The vast majority who must be educated on what the fight is all about & what needs to be preserved. This is the insurance plan for the long term
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This talk of purge/vurge is not proper for the forum.

Please self delete in 24 hours.

Thanks,

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First win the darn election, then lets see what needs to be done...
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http://www.newsinsight.net/Dirtytricks.aspx#page=page-1
Dirty tricks
Since the Delhi establishment is losing to Narendra Modi, it is resorting to cheap stunts.
By N.V. Subramanian (4 September 2013)

New Delhi: The alleged encounter deaths in Gujarat in which forces inimical to Narendra Modi are trying to implicate him must be seen in two perspectives. One relates specifically to Gujarat and the other to the rest of India, going back to the 1970s, if not earlier.

The Indian Police Service has deteriorated across India. You get the government and the police force you deserve, and the IPS has become worse than you can imagine. All the Central services have become venal and corrupt, but the Indian Police Service is worst of all, honourable exceptions apart. Not just is the service as corrupt as the Indian Administrative Service, it is criminal to boot. According to one estimate, 90 per cent of IPS officers are criminals. Readers will recall this figure in an earlier commentary in this magazine but in another context.

Narendra Modi has undisguised loathing for the Indian Police Service. This is well known in bureaucratic circles in Gujarat. He believes the police to be criminal and cut off from public service. It is not clear when he arrived at this view, but it is reasonable to surmise that he feels Indian Police Service officers let him down during the post-Godhra riots. Perhaps his anathema has an earlier provenance. Whatever the reason, Modi has had little closeness with the police. At bottom, he does not trust the force, and has firewalled himself from it. Amit Shah dealt with police administration, transfer, postings and so on, and Modi, as is his nature, did not interfere. On law-and-order matters naturally, he has dealt with successive police directors-general, but these interactions have been rigidly formal, with the participation of the chief secretary, etc. Police officers of subordinate ranks have been barred from these meetings, because Modi is instinctively uncomfortable with the force.

So when the mainstream media loosely and wildly attribute the “encounter” killings in Gujarat to Narendra Modi, they do not have the smallest idea about the man. They cannot understand his psyche. He is a loner, and he is an outsider apropos the Delhi establishment. Nobody is close to Modi, not even Amit Shah, who is tarted up in the press as his evil Man Friday. Only a very brave, confident man, who has nothing to hide, can remain a loner in politics. Indian politics is a dynastic or group activity. Besides her acquired surname, Sonia Gandhi has her coterie. So does Rahul Gandhi. Lal Krishna Advani once headed the anti-Atal Behari Vajpayee faction in the Bharatiya Janata Party which, despite its vastly depleted strength, is presently deployed against Modi. Modi, on the other hand, has no coterie. He comes alone to Delhi on visits, completes his tasks with speed and quiet, and returns without fuss. No tamasha. No hangers-on. This is not a man who will soil his hands with the crooked Indian Police Service.

Now turn to the perception of a higher number of extra-judicial killings in Gujarat, for which Modi’s detractors are to blame. Because Narendra Modi was hounded by the Delhi establishment and the mainstream media for the 2002 riots, jihadi attention, both local and Pakistan-sponsored, got concentrated on him and Gujarat. The witch-hunt continued despite a clean chit for Modi by the Supreme Court’s special investigation team. From this, it might be derived and inferred that the Delhi establishment and the media were directly responsible for the increased threat to Narendra Modi’s life. With a greater focus of terrorist groups to eliminate him, it was unexceptional for pro-active steps to contain the threats to his life to be greater as well. The Central Intelligence Bureau was involved in securing his life, as the Ishrat Jehan case shows. But even this becomes a matter of contention and controversy for the Delhi establishment paranoid about Modi becoming prime minister.

In any event, Gujarat has had fewer encounter killings than, say, Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir at the peak of terrorism. They had mass deaths. One could immediately rebut that two wrongs do not make a right, but then, making an exception of Gujarat is also perverse and scandalous. In his reporting career, this writer has met a fair number of “encounter” cops in Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir. This was in the dark decades of the 1980s and 1990s. Without exception, they were all brave men, and some had unbounded courage. They also had the decency to be honest about what they did. Ultimately, they saved Kashmir and Punjab from breaking away. This is no exaggeration.

Almost days before he took his life, stepping before a fast train, this writer met Ajit Singh Sandhu, the former senior superintendent of police of Tarn Taran, a district bordering Pakistan. He volunteered for the posting in Tarn Taran after regular Indian Police Service officers refused for fear of their lives. He was given out-of-turn promotion for the extraordinary risks he took. The border districts of Tarn Taran, Amritsar and Gurdaspur were hotbeds of terrorism in those days, and men like Sandhu turned the tide. Were there excesses? Surely. But terrorists were committing excesses as well, and terrified judges would give them bail at the asking. The situation was no different in Jammu and Kashmir. So when the police reckoned that the judiciary was abetting terrorism in a fashion, it adopted a sort of vigilantism.

All this happened in Congress regimes. Narendra Modi was nowhere on the scene. During the Emergency, there was the infamous Sunder murder case in which the names of Sanjay Gandhi and the IPS officer, Pritam Singh Bhinder, were dragged in, and subsequently, Bhinder’s family benefitted politically from the Congress. This history cannot be erased. Ajit Sandhu told this writer that as Tarn Taran SSP, he would get elimination orders from Delhi, sometimes from the minister himself. Nobody in Delhi protected Sandhu when the Central Bureau of Investigation went in pursuit of him. He didn’t appear suicidal when talking to this writer but he was deeply troubled. The state used him and threw him away. It is not fair, but whoever said states acted fairly?

And do not for a moment think only the police are implicated in encounter killings. The paramilitary forces under direct Central government control have dirtied their hands, and so have the armed forces. Kishenji alias Mallojula Koteswara Rao, the Maoist leader, was declared killed in an encounter in West Bengal in 2011. The covert services will tell you something different, which is nearer the truth. He was tortured and killed in Maharashtra and his body dumped in the forests of Burishol. Why this selective approval of encounter killings? One Central minister salivated at the pictures of massacred Maoists, pressing his officers for more, passing instructions on camera angles in the morgue. And if you believe the West is past such goriness, adhering in letter and spirit to liberalism, think of Guantanamo, the Central Intelligence Agency’s foreign rendition operations, and waterboarding.

India is located in a bad neighbourhood. There is a terrorist state on the west, and terror elements are strong in the rest of South Asia. Terrorists don’t play by the rules. This writer does not foresee the diminishment of encounter killings so long India remains insecure. This may appear immoral but states are scarcely nunneries. Like all campaigns and dirty tricks against Narendra Modi, this too will fail, and make his bid for prime-ministership stronger. But in attacking Narendra Modi, the state cannot be weakened, and that is just what his opponents and rivals have set out to accomplish.
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Tomorrow when terrorism come knocking after US leaving Af, who will fight the dirty BDY when Xongi have either humilated or eliminated every fighting force to handle the terrorists. By abandoning the people who served the nation, UPA is acting like Aastten Kaa Saanp to Indian state by making the terrorist operate without fearing law enforcement ( factor clearly seen in Maharashtra, UP, BIhar and IN J&K)

UPA = B Team of Pakistan
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UPA is using terrorists as a shield to get to NM somehow. And terrorists are using women and children.
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This shows Dynasty had D4 in their bag.
To counter Narendra Modi, Congress puts states in election mode

A senior AICC functionary said: " Generally, Congress never believes in such advance preparations. But the manner in which Modi is going hammer and tongs using technology for poll propaganda, AICC has decided to effectively counter it across the country."

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/to-co ... /1164267/0
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Gujarat govt did not accept Vanzara's resignation.

Looks like the letter is coerced.
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Can the 'Brain Mapping' & other lie catching machines be used as passing tests as directors and above officers of CBI are appointed that they are free of any associations with any party?

Ramana ji I remember you mentioned once that VP singh did something in UPSC that dienasy bhakts don't come up any more. What was it? Is it working in post 90 batches?
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our babooze tell truth for keeping the lie.. so when people keep that a religious custom, and live in a realm like a madrassa person lives doing evil things and lying and cheating around as a relgiion, then no amount detection technique will work. they will appear normal.
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Judge Aftab Alam and Teesta, shades of Jinnah, Muslim Tactics in 46 with Liaqutta Ali as Finance Minister. Congress bring us back to that period and soon in 2 decade it will be Mughal Era in India where Xongi have already humiliated and demoralized the spirit, soul of India to put up any resistence. No Harj in Purge to pay Kurz of Soil to alleviate her Dard caused by Dilli Bili Namrads.
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Subramanian Swamy: For those who wanted to see it, here is the summon to Sonia from a US court with regards to 1984 sikh riots case.

Its a shame that a US court has to summon her for something which our Indian courts should have been moved for.

Unfortunately, in all cases filed against Sonia here in India, the process is quite elaborate and proceedings move at their own speed.

Not to mention, the obstacles created by the caged parrots.

Here is the original document:
http://tinyurl.com/l83exaw
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? what is the jurisdiction of US court against events that happens in India?
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SSwamy is the wonderki(n)d.
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harbans wrote:UPA is using terrorists as a shield to get to NM somehow. And terrorists are using women and children.
That's the worry. As NVS states, the Congress govt and the media are inflaming jihadi passions and setting the stage whereby if "something happens to Modi", it will appear as a natural reaction by Muslims outraged by Godhra.

In any semi-decent society, such purposeful abetment of physical threat to an elected Chief Minister will not be tolerated. Its indecent, immoral and illegal
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SaiK wrote:? what is the jurisdiction of US court against events that happens in India?
That's the issue BJP spokespersons and big leaders can raise. Why Smt. Sonia can't show the US court 'the finger'?
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SaiK wrote:? what is the jurisdiction of US court against events that happens in India?
the victims are US citizens now, it is a case for "Punitive Damages" that is Sonia Ghandhi had been
aiding and abetting perpetrators who killed Sikhs in hundred thousands so she should pay for her misdeeds, though it happened in India as per the kanoon all crimes perpetrated aganst US citizens
can be tried in US courts if the victims wishes it regardless of the place where the crime took place.

BTW if SG does not fight it in US court then an judgement "against" her shall be handed down, which will debar her automatically to contest Indian elections as per nava Supreme Court of India interpretation of Election Law, if she fights the case then BJP should and will attack her as the "Butcher of Sikhs" oooh! that is one tasty situation to be in,Yes?
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NaMo sensed in early years that Cong estab will be after him, and I think he played counter game from initial stages itself. I think Govardhan Zadaphiya who was MoS Home in Gujarat, leaving BJP and joining Congress is a master stroke. Had Govardhan Zadaphiya been in BJP, Modi will be having even tough time from these barrage of assaults.

Do not be surprised if Madhusudhan Mistry, the new blue boy of Rahul Gandhi is also a plant of RSS/Indic forces.
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that summons has no effect unless served in person on her. since the US govt is not interested in helping corner her by revealing if/where she lands and stays in US, that summons will never get served.
all she has to do is hide and thats it.
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I would have done better than Modi post-Godhra: Goa CM

Don;t get taken in by the (f)article title. Media mischief by india today only. Panikkar is quite supportive, eloquent and affable throught the intvw, actually.
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niran saar, from what I understand, the FSB got passed with no amendments.
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Catholics in Goa are culturally Hindu, says CM - Firstpost
“India is a Hindu nation in the cultural sense. A Catholic in Goa is also Hindu culturally because his practices don’t match with Catholics in Brazil except in the religious aspect, a Goan Catholic’s way of thinking and practice matches a Hindu’s,” Parrikar said in an interview to New York Times’ India blog published Wednesday. Parrikar heads a state where the Catholic population is just under 30 percent of its 1.5 million population. The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) fielded an unprecedented eight Catholic candidates out of the 24 assembly seats the party contested.
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