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[SSridhar]

On Syria, Russia Awaits Chance to Say, "I Told You So" - Vladimir Radyuhin, The Hindu

“In a race across a minefield it is wise to let other runners overtake you,” quipped a Russian Middle East expert explaining why Moscow adopted a low-key attitude to the rapidly escalating Syria crisis.

The comment pretty accurately captured Moscow’s stand. Russia has vehemently protested U.S. plans to attack Syria, but has also made it clear that it was not going to war with the West over the Middle East country.

Russia of course is no match for the erstwhile Soviet Union. But Moscow has rendered Syria crucial diplomatic and military support since the outbreak of civil strife in the country. It has vetoed all western resolutions in the U.N. Security Council condemning the Syrian government.

Russia, which has been the main source of weapons for Syria since 1973, has stepped up its supplies in the past two years.

“Russia has done all it could to arm Syria,” said Ruslan Pukhov, Director of the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) military analysis think tank.

In his interview to the Russian daily Izvestia last week, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad confirmed that Russia was honouring “all contracts” it had signed with Syria.

“Russia continues to supply Syria with what it requires to defend itself and its people,” the Syrian leader said.

At the same time, the Kremlin’s response to U.S. threats to attack Syria has been distinctly measured.

It took President Vladimir Putin 10 days to comment on the U.S. threat to punish Syria for the reported chemical attack near Damascus on August 21. He rubbished U.S. claims that the Syrian government was behind the attack and warned the U.S. not to jump the gun and commit another “mistake” by attacking Syria. But when asked what Russia would do if the U.S intervened, he just said that this would be “very sad.”

Stands to gain

Experts say that Moscow’s calibrated reaction largely stems from realisation that U.S. President Barack Obama has got trapped into his own rhetoric about “red lines,” and whatever he does now will play into Russia’s hands.

“Russia doesn’t have to do anything, just sit back and relax, and we’ll end up the winning side,” said Prof. Georgy Mirsky of the Moscow Institute of World Economy and International Relations.

Moscow stands to gain whatever course Mr. Obama takes, experts said.

“If Obama attacks Syria he will be seen fighting on the side of al-Qaeda, whose militants make up a third of the opposition forces, even according to U.S. military commanders,” said analyst Yulia Latynyna.

If the U.S. attack is “limited” and “narrow,” as Mr. Obama has declared, it may even strengthen President Assad who will be able to say he has stood up to the world’s most powerful nation.

Analysts, however, think the U.S. may well slide down the slippery path of broader intervention in Syria.

“Having started to take part in this campaign, the United States will be unable to get out of it without removing Bashar al-Assad. And considerations of prestige will outweigh all the doubts of those who fear chaos after a change of regime,” said Dr. Fyodor Lukyanov, chairman of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy.

At a recent press conference on Syria, Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov lamented a lack of “strategic thinking” in U.S. foreign policy. In contrast, Russia has repeatedly demonstrated it has strategic vision, with the situation in Iraq, Libya and Syria proving it right.

Mr. Lavrov said Russia had “no plans to go to war” over Syria, but he did not say Russia would not react.

China factor

Russia will continue to block any anti-Syrian moves at the U.N. Security Council, expose the illegal nature of U.S. interference and the foolishness of siding with Islamist radicals in Syria.

Moscow will also cement its ties with Iran and China. Iranian President Hassan Rouhani placed a telephone call to Mr. Putin last week, with the two leaders calling for resolving the Syrian crisis “exclusively through political and diplomatic means.” The Russian and Iranian Presidents will have their first face-to-face meeting on the sidelines of a Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit in Kyrgyzstan in mid-September.

Also, last week, China’s Ambassador to Russia Li Hui called on Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov, Russia’s point man for the Middle East, to discuss “further Russian-Chinese political and diplomatic interaction in connection with a sharp aggravation of the situation around Syria.”

Last, but not least, Russia will continue to arm Syria.

“Russia and Iran have far more possibilities to help Assad than the other side can help rebels,” said Prof. Mirsky. “We can ship him as many weapons as he needs, while Iranians can send over its Islamic Revolution Guards in the guise of volunteers. America has no chance of winning this war.”

The one thing Russia will not do is stop the U.S. from running the minefield of being bogged down in Syria.

[Manish_Sharma]

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 00#p761959

The colonial settlers (mostly of English origin) in Massachusetts used small pox blankets to wipe out native americans near Amherst, Massachusetts.

Please read People's history of America by Howard Zinn. I know, he is considered as leftist/liberal but the facts he mentions in this book are unmistakeble.

[svinayak]

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/india ... y/1164853/

Indian jihadis are fighting in Syria, says Assad's envoy

Shubhajit Roy : New Delhi, Thu Sep 05 2013, 08:13 hrs

Syrian Ambassador Riad Abbas at his New Delhi office on Wednesday

Syria ready for any "external aggression": Bashar al-Assad

Ambassador Riad Kamel Abbas told The Indian Express Wednesday that some of these Indian nationals had been killed in the war, but some had been "caught alive".

Abbas said he had shared this information with the Indian government, and the government had been "surprised". However, Syria had not been able to pass on any evidence, because no Indian official had visited Syria in the last two years, he said.

No-win in Syria

"Indian fighters are waging Islamic jihad, along with fighters from Chechnya, Afghanistan and other countries," the ambassador, who was handpicked by Assad for the India job two years ago, said.

Asked who these Indian fighters were, Abbas said, "They are Islamic people, not Hindus, because Hindus don't wage Islamic jihad... Why are you surprised?

"There are people in India who support Muslim brotherhood's ideology... They are very dangerous," Abbas said.

Syria will defend itself against any aggression: Bashar al-Assad

According to Abbas, the fighters travelled to Turkey from India before entering Syria. "Some of them have been killed, some have been caught alive," he said, adding, "One of them has been shown on Syrian TV, caught with an Indian passport."

While refusing to give details of the identity of these alleged Indian jihadis, the ambassador said, "One of the families called me up to get back their boy's body, and I told them it was not my duty."

On New Delhi's response, he said, "When we told the Indian government, they were surprised.

"The Indian government and the Indian intelligence agencies should find out about them," he said with a shrug.

[Sanku]

So US military is now a mercenary army that fights for money paid to GOTUS, thanks to Kerrorist leading the SD?

Ramanaji,

Recently there was a program on History channel called "The Men who built America". I think the switch to mercantilist nation was complete by mid 1950s.

Since then all the wars US entered into are for commercial interests.

Gulf War I -- was also a pure mercenary war, US made a net profit from Japan and Soddy Barabaria for the money it got.

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Added later -- In fact the boom in 90s owes directly to the money raised by US, and not any economic policies of Regan or Clinton or a little green men on Mars.

This boom ran out by 2001 as the money was spent and falling out with Al Q took meant that US had to spend money to get its former ally back in line.

[svinayak]

Obama on Syria: 'My Credibility Is Not on the Line'
ABC News (blog) ‎- by Jonathan Karl ‎- 8 hours ago
Credit: Frank Augstein/AP Photo STOCKHOLM — A defiant President Obama declared his credibility was not on the line when it came to Syria.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... -the-line/

[habal]

Wars make money, that is a true fact. Opium, cocaine trade also makes money. Ask any toddy contractor in India, how much surplus can be made off trade in something that is semi-legalized like toddy and liquor. A lot of money is also made by monopolies, like off the baby-boomer generation, western retail trade is strictly controlled and in hands of a few players, so a few players can corner all this profit. But a boom in consumption, has just led to tremendous increase in profitability for them, but is not shared equally amongst society, it just goes into hands of some corporations who do with it as they please. That is what led to rise of Walmart.

Just take an example and look at development of new localities in suburbs of major Indian boom towns. All the neighbourhood grocers and roadside panwallahs and chaiwallahs became millionaires when population in these suburbs boomed. A lot of people becoming millionaires and crorepatis was enabled by population boom in these suburbs with high disposable income but the same phenomena in west leads to just one corporation cornering everything. This is manipulation of society. There is no sharing of anything on such a massive scale. One gets an idea of how cash has flowed and how much has flowed and how societies have been manipulated into an artificial order. In India one finds classic disorder and lack of control which one can analyze sociologically to see how profits are distributed and how large a role it can play is social change.

Western societies and government are all about social manipulation. Private surplus made off captive populations is about enriching corporates, Wars are about enriching governments and that leads to more wars. It was the same philosophy with the Mongols and the Mughals. They needed wars to survive. When the wars stopped, they collapsed.

[habal]

there is a school of thought that believes, Obama is being set up to fail in Syria.

Not that it necessarily means he should go in all guns blazing, and go down in a blaze ! But it discusses powerplay within various factions of US deep state and humiliating a man of color will stop the whole empowerment shebang in it's tracks. Also it seems Obama previously snubbing the Zionist lobby which has long memories.

have no dog in this fight, still understanding the contradictions, countercurrents and weak links in this chain may be useful.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/rush-limbau ... assad.html

RUSH LIMBAUGH EXPOSES OBAMA'S LIES ON SYRIA. POPULAR RADIO TALK SHOW HOST IS NOT FOOLED BY OBAMA'S CHEAP CHICAGO TRICKS.

Is Limbaugh siding with Syria?

No. It's just a chance to sow discord among the American polity. He sold both the Afghan and Iraq wars, and has been a reliable and steady source of Jewish zionist hate propaganda towards Muslims (and all of Israel's/ZPC's targeted for smears enemies).

This brings me to something I've thought might be at work in the west regarding the zionazi desire to genocide Syria and occupy the land and resources. It's obvious they are 100% behind that. So why the reluctance of some of these zionists? The phony "leftist" and "progressives" obviously see it as an opportunity to enhance their fallen credibility after all the fascist R2P propaganda they've been shamelessly a part of. If one looks closely, the "Jewish left", while raising objections to increased hostilities, has been careful to obfuscate the Israeli role (and their Jewish sayanim), and also were in the forefront of disseminating zionazi propaganda against the Syria guv in order to deligitimise that guv in the eyes of their duped readers.

But what about realpolitic objections to expanding the war? There are many problems with the zionazi assault upon Syria that are of a practical nature (even without invoking the immorality of the war crimes). Many of these have been discussed here many times, so I wont repeat them. In brief, it's possible for a zionazi to be against the escalation and yet still remain a zionazi, simply because of the potential it might have of hurting Israel.

This brings me to the right, and their objections. The Zbig B. sort see it, due to being a side war in Israel's interests, not the NWO's, as a whole, as actually an obstacle to their planning. They don't like having to take zionazi goals into consideration when they plan their own nazi goals. It's a rivalry among gangster types, essentially. The Zbiggers use nationalism when it suits them, but are not nationalists. They are corporate fascists with a goal of all the world being essentially one corporation. Their "corporation", naturally.

The zionist right competes with the Zbig faction, but being essentially phony in philosophy, just as the equivalent co-opters on the left are, their central goal is the empowerment of themselves with Israel as the "home base". In that way they differ from the "old time" fascists in that they are "nationalists" (Judeo-supremacists is actually closer to what they are, and it is also the glue holding these fascist together).

Getting back to Limbaugh, the rightwing faction he has always supported was the zionazis. So what's in it for the zionazis to have their chubby chihuahua bad mouthing Obama because he wants to inflate a zionazi war, they created themselves in their own interest? It doesn't seem to make much sense. A few possible reasons why:

1. Limbaugh is going after Obama for personal reasons (there could be many, from documented personal bigotry, homosexual unresponded to love, rivalry over the boys Israel's while slavery rings provide, etc...).

2. Obama angered the Jewish zionazis in some way and they want to see him discredited, much like they did with Carter (probably not for the same reasons). They may have their congress quislings give him his war, but they will also make sure Obama is seen as the fall guy when it goes pear-shaped, like they did with Bush Jr. If they have congress deny him his war, he looks like a reject, as well.

3. Obama pissed off the Rahm Emanuele thingie, and the queen is out to see him humiliated. As Jewish zionazis don't take kindly to goys (converts are still suspect, also) upsetting a fellow loyal tribal, doing so could easily see the whole zionazi establishment turn on the person.

4. As yet unknown reasons that Obama is no longer reliable in zionazi eyes.

In summary, while any and all rejection of the lies intended to expand the zionazi Syrian aggression are welcome, the person doing the rejection may not be a friend of the Syrian people, and may be using them as a backdoor way to promote zionazi interests, which, view the Syrian people as only so many cattle to be harvested in Israeli interests. Limbaugh's message is welcome because it will reduce the war lust of his listeners, but unfortunately, said listeners will still be susceptible to later zionazi war propaganda, because they are still being kept totally in the dark about who is behind the aggression against Syria. What about the next zionazi war? Will Limbaugh sell it using his new found "credibility" as an opposition? Like the the "Jewish left" regularly do?

the real NWO crowd like Zbig is not keen to take into account sensitivities of the Zionist NWO gang. The former wants wholescale unmitigated disaster with millions dead and floating corpses in the lakes but the latter does not want use of chemical weapons for fear of affecting Israel. A disagreement between two gentle groups of gangster. Sheesh.

[SSridhar]

NightWatch For the night of 4 September 2013

Russia-Syria: The Russian military news agency, Interfax-AVN, reported two more Russian ships are heading to the Mediterranean Sea. The destroyer Nastoychivyy of the Baltic Fleet and the patrol combatant Smetlivy of the Black Sea Fleet will join the Russian Navy's task force in Mediterranean in the next few days, Interfax-AVN was told at the Main Staff of the Navy on Wednesday, 4 September. "The patrol combatant Smetlivy will enter the Mediterranean for combat duty in the next few days in accordance with operational command plans. The flagship of the Baltic Fleet, the destroyer Nastoychivyy, is expected to join the group of our ships," a spokesman said. The Russian Defense Ministry also said the patrol combatant Neustrashimyy and the large landing ships Aleksandr Shabalin, Admiral Nevelskoy and Peresvet are carrying out missions in the Mediterranean in accordance with operational command plans. The large landing ships of the Black Sea and Baltic fleets, the Novocherkassk and the Minsk, will join them on 5-6 September. The medium reconnaissance ship SSV-21 Priazovye, which put out from Sevastopol on 1 September, is acting in accordance with special plans of the General Staff.

Comment: The Russian navy task force in the Mediterranean Sea is supposed to comprise 16 ships of various types. Eight of them are listed above. They have the capability to harass any US naval formation of destroyers. Comments from Navy and Marine Corps veterans question the wisdom of using fleet defense assets - destroyers - in an offensive strike role. The key question is who or what protects the destroyers after they shoot, with Russian destroyers and patrol combatants around. Submarines presumably, but they are not effective in preventing harassment and disruption of surface formations.

Russia-US/France: President Vladimir Putin warned the West against taking one-sided action in Syria, but also said Russia 'doesn't exclude' supporting a UN resolution on punitive military strikes if it is proven that Damascus used poison gas on its own people. In a wide-ranging interview with The Associated Press and Russia's state Channel 1 television, Putin said Russia is developing a plan of action in case the United States does attack Syria without United Nations approval, but he declined to go into specifics. He said he 'doesn't exclude' the possibility of backing force against Syria, but at this stage he does not even accept that an alleged chemical weapons attack took place."

Syria and Gas: Previously, the US, France and the UK published declassified documents about the 21 August gas attack and Syrian government forces use of gas in the past. Today, Russia published a summary of its findings about a prior attack that was alleged loudly and wrongly to be a Syrian government chemical attack. This Russian study concerns a gas attack in Aleppo, also attributed to the Syrian government. The Russian document has received no coverage in Western media.

NightWatch reproduces the Russian report below. "Text of Commentary by the Information and Press Department of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs in connection with the situation concerning the investigations into the use of chemical weapons in Syria" by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs website on 4 September

We note a massive injection into the information space of material of different kind with a view to make official Damascus responsible for a possible use of chemical weapons in Syria even before the publication of the results of the UN investigation. 'Groundwork' is thus being prepared for the use of force against it. In view of this, we deem it permissible to share the main findings of the Russian analysis of the samples collected at the site of the incident involving the use of toxic warfare substances in Aleppo's Khan al-Assal suburb." "We recall that that the tragedy, which killed 26 civilians and Syrian army servicemen and left 86 people with injuries of varying severity, took place on 19 March of this year. The results of the analysis of samples carried out by a Russian laboratory certified by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons at the request of the Syrian authorities were on 9 July handed over to the UN secretary-general due to the Syrian authorities' request for him to conduct an independent investigation into that incident. The Russian specialists' main findings are as follows: - the used piece of ammunition was not a standard issue piece of Syrian army ammunition but a crudely produced one whose type and parameters were similar to those of the unguided rockets produced in Syria's north by the so-called Bashair al-Nasr brigade; - hexogen, which is not used in standard chemical munitions, was used as the charge to detonate the round; - non-industrially synthesized nerve agent Sarin and diisopropylfluorophosphate, which Western countries used for chemical weapons purposes in World War II years, were found in round and soil samples. We stress that the Russian report is extremely specific. It represents a 100-page scientific-technical document with numerous tables and diagrams reflecting a spectral analysis of samples. We hope that it will be of significant help in the UN's investigation into this incident. Unfortunately, effectively it has not started yet. The attention of those who wittingly, and always, seek to place all responsibility for the developments on the Syrian Arab Republic's official authorities has fully shifted to the events in eastern Al-Ghutah. However, in this respect too there is 'selectiveness coupled with a shortcoming'. Specifically, attempts to forget the data about the exposure of Syrian army servicemen to toxic agents during the discovery on the outskirts of the Syrian capital of materials, equipment and containers with traces of Sarin on 22, 24 and 25 August supplied by official Damascus to the UN are evident. As is known, the condition of the injured servicemen was examined by members of the group of UN experts headed by A. Sellstrom. It is clear that any objective investigation into the 21 August incident in eastern Ghutah is impossible unless these circumstances are taken into account. In view of the above, we welcome the statement by the UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon that the A. Sellstrom group intends to go back to Syria in the near future to continue its work, including in the Khan al-Assal area.'4 September 2013'

Comment: With this Russian document, there are four national reports about the use of gas in Syria. One each from the US, France, the UK and Russia. The three Western reports provide circumstantial evidence at best. They are not intelligence appraisals because they fail to address contradictory and contrarian evidence that is at least as strong as that which they present in support of their case. They are advocacy, not intelligence. The only report missing is the only report that really counts to establish some ground truth. That is the UN report. A prior UN report found that the Syrian opposition used gas in July 2012, precisely as described by the Russians.

US- Syria: Special comment. The US government assessment on Syria is not weathering well challenges by open source reports and investigative journalists. Parts are unraveling. Today, the US admitted that US intelligence did not have intelligence about Syrian Arab Army preparations before the attack on 21 August. That flatly contradicts testimony presented to Congress this week. In the normal fashion of signals intelligence, the electrons had been intercepted, but they remained inchoate and unprocessed until after the attack. The US had data somewhere, but no information. The alleged incriminating information was reconstructed and converted into evidence of malevolent Syrian intent for the US Congress after the fact. The way that information was presented was at a minimum dishonest. Videos from government sources posted to the web showed home-made rebel rockets and a firing system to which only the Russian report refers. Those videos are not discussed by the US report. As illustrations, they are undated, like the rebel videos of casualties from 21 August. The US analysis of observed so-called symptoms of an attack by nerve agents is also weakening. Multiple reputable experts, including Feedback from six NightWatch Readers, disagree with the 'assessment' that the symptoms seen in videos are those of sarin poisoning, even in diluted form. The Russians have a better explanation for the same symptoms, which they evaluated in March. The Daily Caller published an uncorroborated report that Egyptian intelligence reported the Syrian opposition advised its members of an event on 21 August that would bring the US into the Syrian conflict. No agency has provided an analysis of this report, which might not be true, but also might be highly relevant. NightWatch cannot corroborate that information, but it provides an alternative explanation for Syrian Army preparations for chemical warfare attacks. That alternative is supported by the fact that the UN visited wounded Syrian Army soldiers in hospital. The Daily Caller also published excerpts of signals intercepts that provide an alternative to the US assessment of panicky calls to a chemical warfare unit asking about the 21 August attack. The alternative reporting is that a General Staff officer asked a rocket unit commander in a brigade of the 4th Armored Division whether he had launched an attack against specific orders. The rocket regimental commander supposedly said he fired no rockets and could account for all of them. The General Staff confirmed the report of the rocket unit commander. There is more to this series of exchanges, but the point is that they raise concerns that US information might have been cherry-picked by some entity in the reporting channel and taken out of context. That is easy to do with information from radio intercepts. And so the information debate continues and should continue. The US assessment appears to have conflated information and sources; ignored time distortions and dates and misstated relevant points to support its argument. A heads up is necessary. The poor guidance that prompts intelligence supervisors to require analysts to make judgments about matters that can be scientifically established needs to be recognized by Readers. The date of an attack is not a matter of judgment. Likewise, the use of sarin is not a matter for 'assessment. The presence of sarin and other dangerous materials can and will be established by UN-sponsored laboratory analysis to some degree of probability. The inability of intelligence supervisors and analysts to distinguish matters appropriate for judgment from those that may be established as facts is a significant weakness. The worst part of the three Western reports is their failure to consider reasonable alternative scenarios consistent with their information. That is a basic step in the scientific method. See R. Heuer, The Psychology of Intelligence Analysis.. Only the Russians have attempted to analyze an alternative scenario and contradictory evidence. Their analysis of the March 2013 incident proved to be the correct analysis, according to the UN. But in the 21 August crisis, senior US officials publicly have disparaged and dismissed UN findings as 'irrelevant,' even though highly respectable US and European laboratories do the lab work. So Readers are left with the three questions raised last week: What was the agent? How was it delivered? Who delivered it? The three Western documents are advocacy arguments, not intelligence appraisals. Every attorney knows that emotive, loud and strident oratory is the tactic to use when there is no clear and convincing evidence. The Russian document is an intelligence appraisal of a past attack that Western governments wrongly attributed to the Syrian government, according to the UN. It is a lesson in evidence: the evidence on both sides of an argument must be presented and weighed.

[Singha]

while we await the inevitable bloodlust,muharram,bakr id in human lives...let me put forth a thought experiment.

what if all the badass 'troubled nations' of the world were somehow magically arranged in a circle around the local munna israel ?

instead of lebanon-syria , put in north korea which its heavy artillery and die hard indocrinated stormtroopers..glory be to kim and all that. their task is to launch human waves assaults and fight in the mountains in which they are justifiably experts. cause a lot of mayhem by using huge manpower and artillery barrages.

instead of jordan, put in iran. large, mean, spoiling for a fight with the great satan and the 'yahudi cur' together. their naval activities would center around mini subs and submersibles slipping under the dead sea to launch SF jihadi units, plus launching lots of SRBMs to devastate the belt of israeli settlements near the west bank

meantime hizbullah and west bank armed militias will breach that unsightly kafir concrete wall the yahudis put up at N number of points and pour across to fan out and launch small attacks on all points in the map, overwhelming the ability of professional army to respond. these will have to be outsourced to reservist units and yahdi militias who always sleep with a m16 under the bedsheet. will be a decently matched adversaries..hezbullah is more battle exp.

every rooftop in gaza strip to suddenly sport qassam and other rocket launchers and cook them off in the general direction due north.

irani mechnized forces cross the area north and south of the dead sea and launch two main attacks "PanjShir1" and "PanjShir2".
Panjshir1 will avoid the congested and heavily defended jerusalem entirely, and sweep north of it, making directly for the coast to cut the vital coastal highways which would be clogged with IDF convoys and reservists being bussed to their call up centers. smack them with heavy arty and MLRS. a spur of panjshir1 would bottle up all the roads leading N from jerusalem and sabotage every culvert and bridge.
Panjshir2 would take up a blocking position just north of where the negev desert ends to prevent israeli armour units in the negev from playing any futher role in the proceedings.

all this would inevitably hollow out the 2nd line units blocking gaza strip and west bank as far more serious threats to the heartland by the massive Shir2 and Shir2 offensives would need to be dealt with. once the density falters, tier1 militias with technicals and HMGs to flow through the gaps and fan out , looting fuel, spreading confusion in the rear, attacking supply chain with ATGMs and explosives

meantime the nokoreans would be taking a heavy losses in the north but also using up lot of israeli artillery reserve and armour units in attritional battle. on day3 of the war, pakistan(!) which I have also magically placed where Iraq is now enters the contest and stages a joint tsp-irani airborne landing on the plains south of the golan heights...2 brigades worth of manpower using every manner of wooden horsa glider, hot air balloon, c130, belly landed civilian a.c ..... their immediate job to destroy the chain of IDF POL and armour field depots supplying the lebanon-golan front and then melt away into irregular guerilla activity to not present any center of mass for counterattack.

to spread panic and sow FUD, small non-lethal infra attacks are staged on israeli towns up and down the coast to keep things on a boil , enough to cause a lot of red dots to light up in the opcenter map but not serious enough to justify the n-option or even to point at bodycounts.

your move next

[habal]

Yahudis are being set up too .. Israeli nationalists need to understand this before running off into the arms of US at every beck and call.

they are being royally set up.

[Singha]

a section of the US right wing xtian zealots and military does not like them. would probably love a scenario where both yahudis and muslims nuke and gas each other for a few years in ME, which they sit offshore firing at both.

[KrishnaK]

while we await the inevitable bloodlust,muharram,bakr id in human lives...let me put forth a thought experiment.

what if all the badass 'troubled nations' of the world were somehow magically arranged in a circle around the local munna israel ?

instead of lebanon-syria , put in north korea which its heavy artillery and die hard indocrinated stormtroopers..glory be to kim and all that. their task is to launch human waves assaults and fight in the mountains in which they are justifiably experts. cause a lot of mayhem by using huge manpower and artillery barrages.

instead of jordan, put in iran. large, mean, spoiling for a fight with the great satan and the 'yahudi cur' together. their naval activities would center around mini subs and submersibles slipping under the dead sea to launch SF jihadi units, plus launching lots of SRBMs to devastate the belt of israeli settlements near the west bank

meantime hizbullah and west bank armed militias will breach that unsightly kafir concrete wall the yahudis put up at N number of points and pour across to fan out and launch small attacks on all points in the map, overwhelming the ability of professional army to respond. these will have to be outsourced to reservist units and yahdi militias who always sleep with a m16 under the bedsheet. will be a decently matched adversaries..hezbullah is more battle exp.

every rooftop in gaza strip to suddenly sport qassam and other rocket launchers and cook them off in the general direction due north.

irani mechnized forces cross the area north and south of the dead sea and launch two main attacks "PanjShir1" and "PanjShir2".
Panjshir1 will avoid the congested and heavily defended jerusalem entirely, and sweep north of it, making directly for the coast to cut the vital coastal highways which would be clogged with IDF convoys and reservists being bussed to their call up centers. smack them with heavy arty and MLRS. a spur of panjshir1 would bottle up all the roads leading N from jerusalem and sabotage every culvert and bridge.
Panjshir2 would take up a blocking position just north of where the negev desert ends to prevent israeli armour units in the negev from playing any futher role in the proceedings.

all this would inevitably hollow out the 2nd line units blocking gaza strip and west bank as far more serious threats to the heartland by the massive Shir2 and Shir2 offensives would need to be dealt with. once the density falters, tier1 militias with technicals and HMGs to flow through the gaps and fan out , looting fuel, spreading confusion in the rear, attacking supply chain with ATGMs and explosives

meantime the nokoreans would be taking a heavy losses in the north but also using up lot of israeli artillery reserve and armour units in attritional battle. on day3 of the war, pakistan(!) which I have also magically placed where Iraq is now enters the contest and stages a joint tsp-irani airborne landing on the plains south of the golan heights...2 brigades worth of manpower using every manner of wooden horsa glider, hot air balloon, c130, belly landed civilian a.c ..... their immediate job to destroy the chain of IDF POL and armour field depots supplying the lebanon-golan front and then melt away into irregular guerilla activity to not present any center of mass for counterattack.

to spread panic and sow FUD, small non-lethal infra attacks are staged on israeli towns up and down the coast to keep things on a boil , enough to cause a lot of red dots to light up in the opcenter map but not serious enough to justify the n-option or even to point at bodycounts.

your move next

The israelis would own the air and hence the war. Won't be no sweeps to anywhere. What does Iranian armour look like anyway ? Do they have the tip of the spear, let alone the logistics to launch multiple offensives ?

[Austin]

I remember when Obama came to power he had to go extra mile to prove the point that he was pro-Israel , something every American president has to swear by before he is considered fit for the role.

Since Bashar was always a thorn in Israel eyes , Throwing Assad will server two purpose for Obama .....he would for once and for all prove his loyalty to Israel and will also fullfill the wishes of Saudi , Baharain and Sunni Empire.

So in effect Obama is trying to kill two bird with one stone ......Brilliant of him.

The only unknown factor is what if the War Spreads and US Ground force get sucked in......thats where the script can go wrong.

[habal]

KrishnaK dear, the al-quds, Syrians & hezbollah would be sitting in Israel, if they so desire, militarily overwhelming the small post of Golan Regiment of IDF is not impossible with a sharp strategy. Owning the air in Israel means what in that case ? Israeli civilian population will be at same risk as hezbollah and Shmezbollah. How far away is Israel border from Lebanon or Damascus ? British MPs were recently seen googling away 'Syria map' and 'Israel Map' and 'Damascus'.

[Sanku]

Yahudis are being set up too .. Israeli nationalists need to understand this before running off into the arms of US at every beck and call.

they are being royally set up.

I can not agree more.

[Austin]

Iran should work double time if they are not doing that already to acquire N-Weapons stealthly that is the only thing that can save them once Syria falls ...... The writing is on the wall for them......only N weapons can save their nation from certain next target.

Once Iran proves it has nuclear weapons .......Israel will follow suite and may be Saudi ........but thats fine it will stabalise the region.

A bankrupt Pakistans survives and is funded by US only because it has N weapons and NoKo too survives on that.

[Lilo]

^^ Someone should help Iran on this.

I don't know about Israelis but Saudi capability should be brought out .

At least the act should result in an ugly public haggling between Massa and AlSaud over choice between an independent nuclear deterrence of their own (as demanded by the Saudis) vs a nuclear umbrella offered by Massa .

Either case will bring the hitherto cosy relationship b/w house of Al Saud and the Massa elites into the open for the rest of the virulently antiamerican Arab world to see and know.

A drawback could be that massa may force saudis to accept a nook nude umbrella made available by Pakis - though it will open up new interesting possibilities.

[vinod]

The only unknown factor is what if the War Spreads and US Ground force get sucked in......thats where the script can go wrong.

I understand that a war is very unpredictable, but I'm trying to understand how the war can spread. What are the options for Syria if they are attacked which can cause a wider conflict?

Syria borders Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Israel and Lebanon.
Turkey - They will not attack Turkey because this will cause NATO to get involved and Syria can't handle that.
Iraq - Not much there.. other than probably sunni rebel camps and refugees. Not sure how Syria can benefit. May be link up with Iran?
Jordan - US have a base there. They can definitely attack here. But I can't how it would make any difference to the final outcome?
Israel - They wouldn't risk that. They can damage some border posts but that's about it. Anything below the threshold of inviting a massive retaliation.
Lebanon - Hezbollah is there already. Syria can't do anything without affecting them. Moreover, Syria would prefer hezbs fought the rebels in Syria.

Syria's real allies
Iran - If Syria attacks Iraq and Iran also attacks Iraq and links up, that is probably the best scenario I can think of. Iran would do this only if they realise US is picking off one by one each of the countries in the axis and they are next and best to preempt it now. I think its unlikely because they don't have the nukes yet!
Russia - No real action from them, but can expect missile warnings and other intelligence support fo Syria. Basically, they can get in the way of the west's operation and make it harder. Nothing more.

Chemical Weapons
Assad can now use this to attack rebel strong holds. Create more refugee crisis in Turkey and Jordan. Probably do small scale attack on border areas as well.

US and allies have said it is going to be limited strike, mostly to put the momentum of the war back in rebels hands! Anything more would be a really surprising move. And thinking of the above, unless Assad is doomed, I doubt he will launch into a wider conflict. So all in all, I think it is much contained. Its only Iran which they have to watch out.

[habal]

the members of the dutch government were informed by the dutch secret services about the USA provided evidence for a chemical weapons attack and they decided the evidence is not convincing not interesting no smoking gun etc. Use google translate to translate into English.

http://www.refdag.nl/nieuws/politiek/ka ... e_1_765991

also another article states that terrorists of jabhat al-nusra are threatening an old christian area/place maloula north east of damascus the article says the people still speak the aramaic from the time of the Lord Jesus

http://www.refdag.nl/nieuws/buitenland/ ... e_1_766118

http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2013/05/2 ... n-heights/

Hezbollah and Syrian Forces Massing on the Golan Heights -

Iran and its terror proxy Hezbollah are building a military force on Israel’s northern border in the Golan Heights in order to wage “popular resistance” against the Jewish state, according to areport released Tuesday.

Military forces constituted by both Syrian and non-Syrian forces have been amassing near the Golan Heights and are waiting for an attack order, according to the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), which has collected and translated a number of Arab media reports on the matter.

“Regiments and brigades, both Syrian and non-Syrian, are being established to wage ‘popular resistance’ against Israel in the Golan—although the intention is clearly to wage armed guerilla warfare like that of Hezbollah,” according to MEMRI.

“Syria’s allies—chiefly Hezbollah and Iran—announced that they would support resistance in the Golan, and Hezbollah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah, whose organization is fighting in Syria alongside the regime forces, stressed that his organization would provide this resistance with all the material and moral support it required,” according to MEMRI.

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/7189.htm

[vinod]

^^^ dated May 21st, 2013 - 10:46 pm -- old story?

[Atri]

Look at this at the backdrop of Sonia being served summons.. a pressure tactic by unkil? but why?

The Indian establishment has started making noise of importing oil from iran in rupees and establishing rupee-exchange with Iran. This will strengthen Iran.

How will it reflect, if Iran gets stronger, on the Syrian conflict..

Indeed, the move of Yahudis is truly astonishing.. Sunnis, i understand, but Yahudi? I mean did they really believe the bluff of Ahmadinejad?

[habal]

they are forming a military headquarter over there as per the report. So they are massing still, and have not gone back.

Iranian Deputy Chief-of-Staff Masoud Jazayeri additonally told Hezbollah’s al-Manar television station, “In the next few months, we will witness fundamental changes in the region … some of which will pass through the Golan, Allah willing,” according to the MEMRI report.

http://freebeacon.com/massing-on-the-heights/

Joint Syrian and Iranian brigades assembled near the Golan Heights following these calls. Additionally, a new military headquarters has been established there, according to MEMRI.

“The Popular Front for Change and Liberation, which is part of the current Syrian government and calls itself ‘a national opposition,’ announced its intention to establish ‘The Popular Liberation Front Brigades’ that will work to liberate ‘all usurped lands, chiefly the occupied Golan,’” MEMRI found. “A military headquarters was established in order to carry out the mission, and the front called on all Syrian citizens to join its ranks.”

Iran is believed to have committed military resources to Assad’s Golan force.

[habal]

[Philip]

History-as Marx said,

repeats itself, "the first as tragedy, then as farce", referring respectively to Napoleon I and to his nephew Louis Napoleon (Napoleon III):

We have a similar situation ,Iraq redux unfolding in Syria.In Iraq the fig-leaf for that "crusade " was Saddam's (non-existant) WMDS.Here it is Assad's use of chem weapons. No guesses as to which "Napoleon" is now leading the 3rd Crusade,after the Bushes,father and son,led the first two. The setbacks to the "rebels",whom we now know are nothing but a bunch of mercenaries,even trained in secret by the CIA,are mere proxies for the US and its western posse.O'Bomber and his gang remind one more of that famous western,"the Wild Bunch",not the Magnificent 7"!

Ramana,
Can you send me an e-mail id pl?

yria News: Russian Navy gears up to respond to possible US strike
ANI Johannesburg, September 5, 2013 | UPDATED 16:23 IST
Russia has reportedly prepared its naval forces to respond to a possible missile strike in Syria by the United States.

A Russian military source confirmed that their naval vessels in the Mediterranean were capable of influencing any kind of military situation arising due to escalation in the Syrian conflict, News24 reports.

According to the report, the anti-submarine ship Admiral Panteleyev has already entered its zone of operation as the flagship of the current rotation of the naval grouping in the Mediterranean.

The missile cruiser Moskva, from the Black Sea fleet, is also on its way to the eastern Mediterranean to assume the role of the Russian flagship. The US already has a strong naval presence in the region and the possible U.S. military strike against Syria is widely expected to be launched from the sea.

Moscow has warned that the US-led plans for military action against the regime of Bashar al-Assad for using chemical weapon against civilians on the suburbs of Damascus will destabilise the entire region.

Meanwhile, Syria has denied launching a chemical weapon attack on suburbs in and around Damascus and accused the United States of lying to justify a possible military strike.

President Bashar-al-Assad's adviser Dr. Bouthaina Shaaban criticised Washington for using its military prowess to suppress a democratically-run nation.

Sky News quoted her, as saying that the U.S. claim of targetting weapons of mass destruction in Syria is exactly similar to the policy followed in Iraq.

The statement came after President Barack Obama said the world's failure to respond to the use of chemical weapons would risk further attacks.

The US Congress will decide whether to authorise military action, after a draft resolution that will limit initial attacks to 60 days and no use of ground force, will clear its first congressional hurdle, the report added.

Syria's Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Muqdad said the regime would not change its position even if it resulted in a third world war.

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/syri ... 05646.html

[Philip]

US and Russia on course for war diplomatic at the G-20,before the actual war erupts.Putin warns the US.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/s ... g20-summit

Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin set for collision over Syria at G20 summit
Russian president signals he will take action if America strikes at Assad as US counterpart admits relations have hit a wall

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Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin set for collision over Syria at G20 summit

Russian president signals he will take action if America strikes at Assad as US counterpart admits relations have hit a wall

Patrick Wintour and Dan Roberts in Washington
The Guardian, Wednesday 4 September 2013 21.45 BST

Vladimir Putin said that Russia might restart ­Syria’s suspended S-300 air defence ­missile contract. Photograph: Barcroft Media

World leaders will gather in St Petersburg on Thursday for what has transformed into an international showdown with Vladimir Putin threatening to send a missile shield to Syria if the US launches an attack without the authority of the United Nations.

The G20 summit, hosted by Putin, had been expected to focus on the world economy and growth, but will now be dominated by the Middle East crisis, even if the formal agenda remains fixed on the slowdown of growth in emerging markets.

Barack Obama, speaking during a stopover in Sweden before the summit, denied his political credibility was at stake but admitted relations with Russia had hit a wall. He insisted he had not set the red lines requiring a military response if the Syrian government deployed chemical weapons.

"The world set a red line when governments representing 98% of the world's population said the use of chemical weapons was abhorrent and passed a treaty forbidding their use even when countries are engaged in war," he said. "That was not something I just kind of made up, I did not pluck it out of thin air."

He added: "My credibility is not on the line. The international community's credibility is on the line because we give lip service to the notion that these international norms are important.

"Keep in mind, I'm somebody who opposed the war in Iraq, and I'm not interested in repeating mistakes about basing decisions on faulty intelligence," the US president said at a news conference in Stockholm.

On Tuesday Obama portrayed his plans for US military action as part of a broader strategy to topple Bashar al-Assad, as the White House's campaign to win over sceptics in Congress gained momentum.

Putin, in an interview published on Wednesday, said it was too early to talk about what Russia would do if the US attacked Syria but added: "We have our ideas about what we will do and how we will do it in case the situation develops toward the use of force or otherwise. We have our plans."

He then said Russia might restart Syria's suspended S-300 air defence missile contract. Describing the weapon as "very efficient", he said: "If we see that steps are taken that violate the existing international norms, we shall think how we should act in the future, in particular regarding supplies of such sensitive weapons to certain regions of the world."

The statement could also be a veiled threat to revive a contract for the delivery of the S-300s to Iran, which Russia cancelled a few years ago under strong US and Israeli pressure.

But Obama arrives at the summit with his hand strengthened by the growing impression that he will win the support of Congress next week to take military action. In signs that the political tide was slowly turning Obama's way in Washington, US senators on an important committee yesterday agreed on a draft resolution backing the use of US military force in Syria. The Senate foreign relations committee passed an amended resolution to authorise military action. It authorises strikes against the Syrian regime within a 60-day window, extendable to 90 days, as requested by the White House.

But it also includes tougher wording introduced by the hawkish Republican senator John McCain, which makes it "the policy of the United States to change the momentum on the battlefield in Syria".

Obama also retains the support of the French and the personal backing of David Cameron, even though the British government is now debarred from joining any action owing to last week's mishandled Commons vote.

The resolution will be put before the full Senate for a vote on Monday, where it is expected to pass. Obama was facing a tougher battle in the House of Representatives, whose foreign affairs committee heard testimony from secretary of state John Kerry on Wednesday. Kerry warned a sceptical and sometimes raucous panel that failing to strike Syria would embolden al-Qaida and raise to "100%" the chances Assad would use chemical weapons again.

In the only glimmer of diplomatic light Putin said he did not exclude supporting a UN security council resolution supporting military action in Syria if there was credible evidence Assad had used chemical weapons. But he described the idea that Syrian government forces would use chemical weapons at a time when he said they were in the ascendancy and knowing the potential repercussions as absurd.

He added: "In our view, it seems completely ridiculous that the regular armed forces, who are actually on the attack and in some places have the so-called rebels surrounded and are finishing them off, that in these conditions would use prohibited chemical weapons.

"Understanding quite well that this could be a reason for sanctions on them, including the use of force. It's just ridiculous. It does not fit into any logic."

But German intelligence, using intercepts in Lebanon, became the latest agency to claim it had information linking the attack to Assad forces.

Cameron is also expected to announce further British intelligence to persuade Putin that Assad forces were responsible. He is also likely to press on the need for clear humanitarian corridors in Syria to boost aid to trapped refugees, as well as call for an end to the bureaucratic delays preventing aid workers reaching Syria.

In the Commons he made it clear that Assad had to be persuaded to the negotiating table by his military capacity being degraded. The White House claims says 1,429 people died from the gas attack on August 21. The British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which collects information from a network of anti-government activists in Syria, says its toll has reached 502. Assad's government blames the episode on the rebels.

A UN inspection team is awaiting lab results on tissue and soil samples it collected while in the country last week. It emerged on Wednesday that it could be three weeks before they issue their report.

PS:What military options does Russia really have? Diplomatically they will along with China refuse to sanction any UN sponsored attacks.As Putin rightly said,it will then be clear "aggression" against Syria.After that the gloves will be off with no general Convention rules applying to prosecuting the "rebels". Iranian response is very unpredictable.

The last and most extreme option is to send troops/tech advisors in some form or the other.Russia will definitely be providing the Syrians with intel info about US naval forces and targeting for Yakhont/Bastion shore-launched missiles.Anchoring Russian naval assets in Syrian ports to shield them from US attack would be another.Sending in more mil. aid,esp. sophisticated SAMs like S-300s is definitely on.There really is no need for Russian "boots" on the ground as the Hiz and Iranians can supply a large number to neutralise any insertion of CIA trained "rebels".I would also expect that Syrian forces will have chem weaponry at the ready waiting for any US attack to hit rebel forces.When attacked by a superpower,a lesser nation is quire within its rights to sue whatever it has in its armoury to defend itself.

[Hitesh]

If Putin really wants to protect Syria, he would have transfer a hundred or two hundred 4th gen fighters with BVR missiles and a couple Mainstays and a couple hundred naval anti-shipping missiles in addition to S-300 missiles. That would have been a strong deterrent to Israel and US and the least costly option for Russia.

[Singha]

I think Syria's best bet at a dying sting in tail would be CW strikes into the northern rim of the mediterranean and israel. damascus to rome is only 2000km...well within the range of a crude IRBM class with light CW warheads.

the regime will surely reliaze after iraq and libya there is no honourable escape for them - either they will be killed right after capture or they will put on a show trial and face the firing squad manned by eager jihadi types who take over next.

[member_19686]

Indian jihadis are fighting in Syria, says Assad's envoy
Shubhajit Roy : New Delhi, Thu Sep 05 2013, 10:16 hrs

Syria's ambassador to India has said that "Indian fighters" are waging "Islamic jihad" against President Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria alongside fighters from Afghanistan and Chechnya.

Ambassador Riad Kamel Abbas told The Indian Express Wednesday that some of these Indian nationals had been killed in the war, but some had been "caught alive".

Abbas said he had shared this information with the Indian government, and the government had been "surprised". However, Syria had not been able to pass on any evidence, because no Indian official had visited Syria in the last two years, he said.


"Indian fighters are waging Islamic jihad, along with fighters from Chechnya, Afghanistan and other countries," the ambassador, who was handpicked by Assad for the India job two years ago, said.

Asked who these Indian fighters were, Abbas said, "They are Islamic people, not Hindus, because Hindus don't wage Islamic jihad... Why are you surprised?

"There are people in India who support Muslim brotherhood's ideology... They are very dangerous," Abbas said.

According to Abbas, the fighters travelled to Turkey from India before entering Syria. "Some of them have been killed, some have been caught alive," he said, adding, "One of them has been shown on Syrian TV, caught with an Indian passport."

While refusing to give details of the identity of these alleged Indian jihadis, the ambassador said, "One of the families called me up to get back their boy's body, and I told them it was not my duty."

On New Delhi's response, he said, "When we told the Indian government, they were surprised.

"The Indian government and the Indian intelligence agencies should find out about them," he said with a shrug.

Asked if the Syrian government had provided any proof to India of the involvement of Indian fighters in the war, Abbas said, "How can we share the evidence when no Indian official has been to Syria for the last two years? If they go there, we can produce evidence.

"What is going on in Syria is cross-border terrorism, and India knows what is cross-border terrorism... And India has good experience of fighting against terrorism," he said.

"There is no Free Syrian Army... We are fighting al-Qaeda... Aspirations of which people is the world talking about? The aspirations of al-Qaeda?

"Will India support them (the West) to execute their plans (to strike Syria)? I think no. India is a great country," he said, adding, "We are fighting terrorism on behalf of our friends."

On the alleged use of chemical weapons by the Syrian regime against the rebels, the ambassador said, "We have evidence to prove that the chemical weapons came from Saudi Arabia and Qatar... But how can we share the evidence with India when no Indian official has visited us? We have shared it with the Chinese and Russians."

Abbas said Syria was grateful to India for supporting it on non-intervention. "We expect more from our friend at the UN to stop American aggression.

"India has to decide whether you are with terrorists or against terrorists... Now is the time to talk about fighting against terrorism," Abbas said. "We don't want military support, we want political support."

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/india ... y/1164853/

[RamaY]

KrishnaK dear, the al-quds, Syrians & hezbollah would be sitting in Israel, if they so desire, militarily overwhelming the small post of Golan Regiment of IDF is not impossible with a sharp strategy. Owning the air in Israel means what in that case ? Israeli civilian population will be at same risk as hezbollah and Shmezbollah. How far away is Israel border from Lebanon or Damascus ? British MPs were recently seen googling away 'Syria map' and 'Israel Map' and 'Damascus'.

The US+NATO+Yahudi combined air, naval and missile force can cause 10x devastation on all nicely placed Israel neighbors.

These forces move much faster than opposition ground forces so there will be less impact on yahudi home lands. Remember how Iraqi tank force was disseminated in couple of hours during gulf-war?

[Prem Kumar]

If Putin really wants to protect Syria, he would have transfer a hundred or two hundred 4th gen fighters with BVR missiles and a couple Mainstays and a couple hundred naval anti-shipping missiles in addition to S-300 missiles. That would have been a strong deterrent to Israel and US and the least costly option for Russia.

Yes - but it might be too late. Who is going to train the Syrian pilots on these new planes?

Russia has over the years been severely emasculated after the USSR breakup. Under pressure from Israel & the US, they stopped S300 supplies to Iran and Syria. Re-starting them now will provide only limited protection against an invasion force.

If the U.S goes in for a quick in & out (stand off strikes), then Syria is on its own. The real question is: what will U.S achieve by a quick strike as Obama claims it will be? Is it to just take out Assad?

[vishvak]

Link for above post on jihadis from India fighting in Syria
link
Any details on what route for the jihadis and their identities.

The whole show of saffron terrur is to hide that jihaadis and their backers are running wild. High time to call the bluff.

“Indian fighters are waging Islamic jihad, along with fighters from Chechnya, Afghanistan and other countries,”
...
Abbas said he had shared this information with the Indian government, and the government had been “surprised”. However, Syria had not been able to pass on any evidence, because no Indian official had visited Syria in the last two years, he said.
...
Asked who these Indian fighters were, Abbas said, “They are Islamic people, not Hindus, because Hindus don’t wage Islamic jihad... Why are you surprised?

“There are people in India who support Muslim brotherhood’s ideology... They are very dangerous,”
..
the fighters travelled to Turkey from India before entering Syria. “Some of them have been killed, some have been caught alive,” he said, adding, “One of them has been shown on Syrian TV, caught with an Indian passport.”
...
India is a great country,” he said, adding, “We are fighting terrorism on behalf of our friends.”

Indeed better to watch how Syrians are fighting al-mobs and terrorists from all over.

[habal]

The US+NATO+Yahudi combined air, naval and missile force can cause 10x devastation on all nicely placed Israel neighbors.

Not relevant. These don't work in Israel, when the enemy is amongst civilians.

[member_27444]

If you watch CNN MSNBC Faux any US MSM you can see over nite conversion of talking heads blonde brunette etc into ME experts

These average joes Jones of Main Street are so brain washed to see the reality
If anybody does otherwise they are UN American period

[Garooda]

FYI

Iraqi_Oil_Gas_Fields_Interractive_Map

[ramana]

the fighters travelled to Turkey from India before entering Syria. “Some of them have been killed, some have been caught alive,” he said, adding, “One of them has been shown on Syrian TV, caught with an Indian passport.”

Can we find the clip of this guy with an Indian passport?

[member_27444]

If you pay 10,000 INR you can get an Indian Passport
Ask
Any Abdul who comes to India to watch cricket matches that is true samjhota express(ion)

[RamaY]

I think Syria's best bet at a dying sting in tail would be CW strikes into the northern rim of the mediterranean and israel. damascus to rome is only 2000km...well within the range of a crude IRBM class with light CW warheads.

the regime will surely reliaze after iraq and libya there is no honourable escape for them - either they will be killed right after capture or they will put on a show trial and face the firing squad manned by eager jihadi types who take over next.

Come to think of it. Can Syria/Iran fathom the move that will remove KSA as custodian of ahem-ahem using IRBMs?

[ramana]

Thanks for the insight.

How about trying to find the clip if you can?

[Garooda]

USS San Antonio in Haifa as part of a 'Routine Port Visit'

[Garooda]

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