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Fantastic, Rudradev-ji! When it comes to internet warfare, you are really a master (and I mean it as a compliment). You are truly this
http://www.politicsforum.org/images/fla ... ame_21.php
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the impression Kerry + McCain want to give the commons is that destruction of Syria is inevitable. We are going to do it, one way or the other. That is the reason for the totally unnatural aggro behind McCain's pronouncements. They will not be satisfied with anything else, but a breather is necessary for them to review confrontational stance taken by Russia.
One more man found in US.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZOapBU5eZHA
There are also rumors afloat that Obama's football has been taken away, and this authority to launch wars have been taken over by Defence Secretary Hagel and Army Chief Dempsey. Thus the need to ask for Congress authorization, something which neither Clinton nor Bush have sought for in the past for launching their killing expeditions on some pretext.Bandar was given a few months to resolve the Syrian file: his job was to engineer a new offensive to occupy Damascus with American-trained terrorists in Jordan under cover of a U.S. bombing campaign publicly touted to be nothing more than a "limited" missile attack targeting Assad's ability to "use chemical weapons against his own people".
One more man found in US.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZOapBU5eZHA
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How many times was Sheikh Abdullah sent to jail exactly ? How democratic is it for the state government to be dismissed arbitrarily ? Saying we messed up in Kashmir absolves Pakistan of nothing.Rudradev wrote:Very Lemurian response. It's a pure strawman: automatically absolves Pakis of any role in sending terrorists to Kashmir, by putting the blame on India for not paying attention to the will of the people (who had enjoyed democratic governance for nearly five decades by then.)
So again, I point out the coincidence. The very same argument is being made today against Assad. It's a pure strawman: automatically absolves GCC, Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc. of any role in sending terrorists to Syria, by putting the blame on Assad for not "democratizing."
As far as Syria, makes total sense. Create a situation that festers resent and revolt thus opening the way for people who are openly your enemies to meddle and then blame them for taking advantage of it. Why not them blame India for 1971 pray ?
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The US flip-fl.ops from love to hatred of Arab potentates is legion.The last century is strewn with the ruins of nations who have suffered from such flip-flops.As has been correctly pointed out,its all about oil.The Iranian pipeline and the vast newly discovered oil reserves of Syria,more than Kuwait.The US is actually playing with a fire that could consume it,that is conspiring with the Saudis who are relentlessly promoting Wahabi fundamentalism on the one hand,while pretending to be supporters of the west on the other.It is a brillaint strategy.They get the west's total support to protect their kingdoms from the Arab street,while encouraging the jihadists to destabilise western nations through mass immigration of Sunni Muslims,who show their true colours when they are in sufficient strength.
Just look at this absurdity.In Denmark,a Muslim who has 10 children gets about 15,000Kr. for every child from the state,while the native Danish population hardly increases each year! Who benefits? Thus by immigration and "rabbit breeding techniques",and please, I'm not being racial,merely pointing out facts,the demographic face of western nations is being dramatically changed ,which is having a political effect that will undermine these nations internally. The US is supporting the wrong kind of Muslims.It should be building up the Shiites as a countermeasure to the Wahabist Sunnis.Trying to make each fight the other is a double-edged sword,fraught with danger,as the capability and number of armed un-Godlies on the ground will dramatically increase ,posing even more danger to Israel.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/
Russia puts deal to avert Syria war in jeopardy ahead of key meeting
Barack Obama addresses the nation in a live televised speech
Moscow balks at draft UN resolution giving Assad 15 days to hand over weapons
Just look at this absurdity.In Denmark,a Muslim who has 10 children gets about 15,000Kr. for every child from the state,while the native Danish population hardly increases each year! Who benefits? Thus by immigration and "rabbit breeding techniques",and please, I'm not being racial,merely pointing out facts,the demographic face of western nations is being dramatically changed ,which is having a political effect that will undermine these nations internally. The US is supporting the wrong kind of Muslims.It should be building up the Shiites as a countermeasure to the Wahabist Sunnis.Trying to make each fight the other is a double-edged sword,fraught with danger,as the capability and number of armed un-Godlies on the ground will dramatically increase ,posing even more danger to Israel.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/
Russia puts deal to avert Syria war in jeopardy ahead of key meeting
Barack Obama addresses the nation in a live televised speech
Moscow balks at draft UN resolution giving Assad 15 days to hand over weapons
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Putin Oped in NYT on Syria
A Plea for Caution From Russia
What Putin Has to Say to Americans About Syria
MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.
Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.
The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.
No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.
The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.
Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.
Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.
From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.
No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.
It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”
But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.
No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.
The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.
We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.
A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama, the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.
I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.
If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.
My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.
Vladimir V. Putin is the president of Russia.
A Plea for Caution From Russia
What Putin Has to Say to Americans About Syria
MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.
Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.
The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.
No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.
The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.
Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.
Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.
From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.
No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.
It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”
But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.
No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.
The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.
We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.
A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama, the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.
I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.
If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.
My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.
Vladimir V. Putin is the president of Russia.
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Thanx. I forgot that bit.Aditya_V wrote:Theo- When Saddam Gassed the Kurds, the US SD said Iran did it. It was only after the invasion Kuwait was the blame put on Saddam.
All the more reason to stay out of this god forsaken place.
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Fantastic Oped by Putin...reminds me of BR metaphor...square danda and twisting round and round.
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With that Op-Ed Putin has outflanked the entire DC beltway - left, right and center.
The GOTUS people are now burning midnight oil and pulling their hair to decide how to respond that Op-Ed.
As usual, the SD mouth-pieces (the media outlets - the usual suspects) are going for personal attacks against Putin (he is anti-gay, he is a KGB, blah, blah.....how dare he can challenge american exceptionalism...blah blah....).
On Syria, Putin = 3, O'bumba = 0.
The GOTUS people are now burning midnight oil and pulling their hair to decide how to respond that Op-Ed.
As usual, the SD mouth-pieces (the media outlets - the usual suspects) are going for personal attacks against Putin (he is anti-gay, he is a KGB, blah, blah.....how dare he can challenge american exceptionalism...blah blah....).
On Syria, Putin = 3, O'bumba = 0.
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Whatever be the score. Putin cannot lower guard until January 2014 if he is serious in protecting Syria. US is in supari mode, they have to execute the contract. They will keep war-mongering into foreseeable future.
US insists on resignation of Bashar al-Assad - State Department
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_09_1 ... ment-6044/
Diplomacy on Syria is not what Israel wants and that is frightening!
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.c ... srael.html
Another war criminal being booed and chased around New York
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSOaNmVUA64
A Belgian former FSA supporter who was kidnapped by Al Qaeda as a hostage since April says, that FSA is over, only Aleppo left, nothing but thugs. The Syrian Army and associated groups have nothing to do with with the alleged gas attack near Damascus, he says.
http://de.rian.ru/politics/20130910/266846946.html
this news is being censored and blacked out of western media. They still don't want details to cramp their excuse for war.
The Sydney Morning Herald: UN team finds no proof on chemical weapons
http://www.smh.com.au/world/un-team-fin ... 2tkv1.html
US insists on resignation of Bashar al-Assad - State Department
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_09_1 ... ment-6044/
Diplomacy on Syria is not what Israel wants and that is frightening!
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.c ... srael.html
Another war criminal being booed and chased around New York
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSOaNmVUA64
A Belgian former FSA supporter who was kidnapped by Al Qaeda as a hostage since April says, that FSA is over, only Aleppo left, nothing but thugs. The Syrian Army and associated groups have nothing to do with with the alleged gas attack near Damascus, he says.
http://de.rian.ru/politics/20130910/266846946.html
this news is being censored and blacked out of western media. They still don't want details to cramp their excuse for war.
The Sydney Morning Herald: UN team finds no proof on chemical weapons
http://www.smh.com.au/world/un-team-fin ... 2tkv1.html
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Saar - just a few small points. When Sheikh Abdullah was rotting in prison (from 1953 to 1964), Kashmir was at peace, and the Hindus were safe. When his government was dismissed in the 1970s, nothing happened because there were no Pakistani sponsored militants and we had Indira Gandhi at the helm (you can say what you like about the woman, but she knew a thing or three about ruling effectively). When the son was free to conduct his political activities and there were a ton of terrorists in Kashmir, the Hindus were butchered or cleansed. To make a long story short, democracy has nothing to do with stability. In fact, democratic states may be more unstable, particularly if they lack cultural unity.KrishnaK wrote:How many times was Sheikh Abdullah sent to jail exactly ? How democratic is it for the state government to be dismissed arbitrarily ? Saying we messed up in Kashmir absolves Pakistan of nothing.Rudradev wrote:Very Lemurian response. It's a pure strawman: automatically absolves Pakis of any role in sending terrorists to Kashmir, by putting the blame on India for not paying attention to the will of the people (who had enjoyed democratic governance for nearly five decades by then.)
So again, I point out the coincidence. The very same argument is being made today against Assad. It's a pure strawman: automatically absolves GCC, Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc. of any role in sending terrorists to Syria, by putting the blame on Assad for not "democratizing."
As for the state government being dismissed, how many governments have been dismissed since 1959 in India? And how many have led to Hindus (or any community) being ethnically cleansed?
Syria is a multireligious country, ruled by the minority Alawites, and was consequently ripe for attack by Sunni terrorists. That is why you have the situation today. Something similar is happening in neighbouring Iraq - where minority Sunnis are attacking the Shias in record numbers.As far as Syria, makes total sense. Create a situation that festers resent and revolt thus opening the way for people who are openly your enemies to meddle and then blame them for taking advantage of it. Why not them blame India for 1971 pray ?
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bbc showed a report last night from reporter in syrian govt territory. he was in a town held sacred by ME Christians. here the local men, many of whom were christians had volunteered to form a militia and side with the Govt forces against al-Nusra. "two thousand years ago we gave you st paul, now you give us jihadis to exterminate us?!?!" was the message to the west from the local men. the syrian minorities have thrown their lot in with assad and are actively resisting the 'resistance'. weapons are well supplied from russia and iran. footage of militia trying to pin down a sniper and flush him out. they looked well equipped and uniformed - and unlike the designer jeans wearing weekend jihadis we have seen on you tube, these men looked like they were fighting for their homes and families.
so ironic that putin is turning out to be the saviour of ancient christendom!
as a side note with reference to some posts further up the chain - it is a common american theme to think of the french as militarily impotent or incapable - largely due to the fact that france fell in WW2*. that would be an underestimate of french military history, tradition, ethos, and capability. the military contest between france and germany is a very ancient one, and one that has largely shaped the 20th century - i.e. the era we are most familar with. a lot of military terminology, doctrine, practices, etc., even today were those shaped by napoleon and his generals.
* france had a very strong army and the latest tanks in ww2, but they were not prepared to deal with blitzkreig. the british only survived because they had an island to retreat to.
so ironic that putin is turning out to be the saviour of ancient christendom!
as a side note with reference to some posts further up the chain - it is a common american theme to think of the french as militarily impotent or incapable - largely due to the fact that france fell in WW2*. that would be an underestimate of french military history, tradition, ethos, and capability. the military contest between france and germany is a very ancient one, and one that has largely shaped the 20th century - i.e. the era we are most familar with. a lot of military terminology, doctrine, practices, etc., even today were those shaped by napoleon and his generals.
* france had a very strong army and the latest tanks in ww2, but they were not prepared to deal with blitzkreig. the british only survived because they had an island to retreat to.
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M.Hollande will meet his Waterloo if he gets involved in Syria.He can only shoot from OBomber's shoulder.
Putin discounts chen attack by Assad's forces.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Syria.html
Vladimir Putin writes opinion piece in The New York Times on Syria
Russian president Vladimir Putin has claimed in a New York Times opinion piece that the Syrian rebels, and not the Assad government, were behind a recent alleged chemical attack.
Putin discounts chen attack by Assad's forces.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Syria.html
Vladimir Putin writes opinion piece in The New York Times on Syria
Russian president Vladimir Putin has claimed in a New York Times opinion piece that the Syrian rebels, and not the Assad government, were behind a recent alleged chemical attack.
In "A Plea for Caution from Russia", Mr Putin said there was no doubt that chemical weapons had been used in the Syrian conflict but "there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists."
The article, which is addressed directly to the American people and their leaders, calls on the US to avoid the use of force and "return to the path of civilised diplomatic and political settlement" in Syria.
It also urged the US to respect international law and not act without the authorisation of the UN Security Council.
The opinion piece, which appeared on the 9/11 anniversary, is likely to annoy the Obama administration, which has been struggling to devise a way to respond to an alleged chemical weapons attack on rebel-held suburbs of Damascus last month, that the White House estimates killed at least 1,429 people. The US administration has blamed the Assad regime for the attack, saying it has evidence it was carried out by government forces.
Mr Putin said a US strike against Assad would result in more innocent victims and potentially spread the conflict "far beyond Syria's borders".
"A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism," he added. "It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance."
Instead of military action, America should embrace a plan from Moscow that would see Syria's chemical weapons placed under international control, he wrote.
Mr Putin said it was alarming that intervening militarily in foreign countries' internal conflicts had become "commonplace" for the United States.
"Is it in America's long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy, but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan 'you're either with us or against us.'"
In the final paragraph, the Russian leader, who is Syria's most prominent ally, took aim at Barack Obama and his mention of America's exceptionalism in his speech to the nation earlier this week.
"It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation," Mr Putin wrote.
"There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too," he wrote. "We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord's blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal."
But Mr Putin said his "working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust," the Russian leader said, "I welcome the president's interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria.
"We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations."
Mr Obama said in his speech on Tuesday that he had asked Congress to put off a vote on his request to authorise military action in Syria to let diplomacy play out around a Russian proposal to put Syrian chemical weapons under international control, although he said the threat was still needed to ensure Syria complies.
The article was published on the eve of today's meeting between the US secretary of state John Kerry and his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov in Geneva to discuss how to implement Mr Putin's proposal to put Syria's chemical weapons arsenal "under international control for subsequent destruction."
Mr Putin's warning to the US not to resort to unilateral military action come as both sides disagree over whether a UN resolution on Syria's chemical weapons should include an ultimatum to use force against the Assad regime if they do not comply. Russia has said it rejects this position while US officials have sent conflicting signals over whether there is a formula of words that the US could accept but that didn't include the threat of military action.
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At this rate soon Assad may have better ratings in France than Hollande has in France.....nageshks wrote:Hollande's approval ratings are in the 20%s. I wonder if Assad has better ratings in Syria, than Hollande has in France ......
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KrishnaK wrote:How many times was Sheikh Abdullah sent to jail exactly ? How democratic is it for the state government to be dismissed arbitrarily ? Saying we messed up in Kashmir absolves Pakistan of nothing.Rudradev wrote:Very Lemurian response. It's a pure strawman: automatically absolves Pakis of any role in sending terrorists to Kashmir, by putting the blame on India for not paying attention to the will of the people (who had enjoyed democratic governance for nearly five decades by then.)
So again, I point out the coincidence. The very same argument is being made today against Assad. It's a pure strawman: automatically absolves GCC, Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc. of any role in sending terrorists to Syria, by putting the blame on Assad for not "democratizing."
As far as Syria, makes total sense. Create a situation that festers resent and revolt thus opening the way for people who are openly your enemies to meddle and then blame them for taking advantage of it. Why not them blame India for 1971 pray ?
All this talk of islamic entities and "democratizing" is a bit dizzying, to say the least. Their dharm kotli does not mention democracy anywhere.
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Looking at Shia population base world wide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Islam#Demographics
Why would Shia in Middle East or Globally would react to any attack on Iran if at all Iran calls for support , Is there any thing that says Iran is the leader of Shia world or leads it ? Why should Shia listen to Iran is something I want to know ?
Conversely one can argue if Saudi is attacked Sunni globally would act according to saudi wishes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Islam#Demographics
Why would Shia in Middle East or Globally would react to any attack on Iran if at all Iran calls for support , Is there any thing that says Iran is the leader of Shia world or leads it ? Why should Shia listen to Iran is something I want to know ?
Conversely one can argue if Saudi is attacked Sunni globally would act according to saudi wishes
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FWIW
'Video footage of chemical attack was fabricated' - Syrian nun
A US congressional panel posted videos of Syrian victims of a chemical or poison gas attack. The videos - which the panel said were posted on YouTube by pro-Syrian opposition users - depict scenes of sheer horror, including convulsing children, as well as men sprawled on the floor apparently vomiting and foaming at the mouth. The VoR spoke with Mother Agnes-Mariam, a Mother Superior at a Syrian convent in the city of Kara, who says videos were fabricated.
Mother Superior, you have repeatedly claimed that the Syrian regime was not involved in the gas attacks against the Syrian people. What are your arguments?
There are facts confirming the innocence of Bashar al-Assad. First, one can’t say that large scale disturbances and protest rallies, allegedly organized by the local population, took place in Syria. The expected funerals of the dead did not take place there either. Second, the analysis of the video footage posted on the social networks, including YouTube, show clearly that what the Internet users can see is faked. Looking at his information, one is convinced that the correlation between the age of all those who fell victim to the alleged chemical attack is sharply in contrast with the demographic composition of the population – meaning the people who were present at the places of the alleged chemical attacks. Third, the alleged zones of the attacks have been the zones of fierce fighting for more than a year and a half now, that is, from the very beginning of the battle for Damascus. The overwhelming majority of peaceful civilians were evacuated long ago, and that tiny percentage that remained does not correspond to the density of population on the video footage. Thus, the fact that several hours after the dispersion of the nerve gas one could see so many people who were seriously wounded and brought to the local hospitals is very questionable. Fourth, we have managed to identify several children shown on that horrible video. All of them were photographed at various times in different places and each time it was claimed that they were the victims of the chemical attack. On five videos we saw one and the same woman with different children each time this video was shown. She said that all of them were her children.
The government forces have just liberated Maalul. What can you say about the fate of Christians in Syria? Can it be that there are no Christians in Homs now?
There are Christians in Syria at the moment. The Christian population in Syria is sharing the sufferings of the Syrian people in full - sufferings caused by the conflict that became possible thanks to the support offered by Western countries to the mercenaries who are destroying the country. They are methodically turning the residential quarters in Syria into the areas of hostilities. And as regards the Christians, all of them are still being subjected to ethnic cleansing, which is aimed at ousting the Christians from Syria or at using them as a living shield. The case of Maalul has thrown light on the protracted drama of 50 Christian villages located in the Valley of Christians, where militants fired at the Christians from the Safir Hotel, located on a mountain peak. What’s more, they even kidnapped the local youths. However, some days ago the mercenaries seized the local village, executed some 20 people and took 15 young people, including both boys and girls, hostage. There was no doubt that it was a confession-related attack that resembled a local genocide. The crosses were torn down, the local shrines defiled and the local church was destroyed. What is happening in Syria now resembles the Afghan scenario. The policy, which is being implemented by the West, is turning Syria into new Afghanistan or Somalia. I would not like my worst enemy to experience what we are experiencing in Syria now.
'Video footage of chemical attack was fabricated' - Syrian nun
A US congressional panel posted videos of Syrian victims of a chemical or poison gas attack. The videos - which the panel said were posted on YouTube by pro-Syrian opposition users - depict scenes of sheer horror, including convulsing children, as well as men sprawled on the floor apparently vomiting and foaming at the mouth. The VoR spoke with Mother Agnes-Mariam, a Mother Superior at a Syrian convent in the city of Kara, who says videos were fabricated.
Mother Superior, you have repeatedly claimed that the Syrian regime was not involved in the gas attacks against the Syrian people. What are your arguments?
There are facts confirming the innocence of Bashar al-Assad. First, one can’t say that large scale disturbances and protest rallies, allegedly organized by the local population, took place in Syria. The expected funerals of the dead did not take place there either. Second, the analysis of the video footage posted on the social networks, including YouTube, show clearly that what the Internet users can see is faked. Looking at his information, one is convinced that the correlation between the age of all those who fell victim to the alleged chemical attack is sharply in contrast with the demographic composition of the population – meaning the people who were present at the places of the alleged chemical attacks. Third, the alleged zones of the attacks have been the zones of fierce fighting for more than a year and a half now, that is, from the very beginning of the battle for Damascus. The overwhelming majority of peaceful civilians were evacuated long ago, and that tiny percentage that remained does not correspond to the density of population on the video footage. Thus, the fact that several hours after the dispersion of the nerve gas one could see so many people who were seriously wounded and brought to the local hospitals is very questionable. Fourth, we have managed to identify several children shown on that horrible video. All of them were photographed at various times in different places and each time it was claimed that they were the victims of the chemical attack. On five videos we saw one and the same woman with different children each time this video was shown. She said that all of them were her children.
The government forces have just liberated Maalul. What can you say about the fate of Christians in Syria? Can it be that there are no Christians in Homs now?
There are Christians in Syria at the moment. The Christian population in Syria is sharing the sufferings of the Syrian people in full - sufferings caused by the conflict that became possible thanks to the support offered by Western countries to the mercenaries who are destroying the country. They are methodically turning the residential quarters in Syria into the areas of hostilities. And as regards the Christians, all of them are still being subjected to ethnic cleansing, which is aimed at ousting the Christians from Syria or at using them as a living shield. The case of Maalul has thrown light on the protracted drama of 50 Christian villages located in the Valley of Christians, where militants fired at the Christians from the Safir Hotel, located on a mountain peak. What’s more, they even kidnapped the local youths. However, some days ago the mercenaries seized the local village, executed some 20 people and took 15 young people, including both boys and girls, hostage. There was no doubt that it was a confession-related attack that resembled a local genocide. The crosses were torn down, the local shrines defiled and the local church was destroyed. What is happening in Syria now resembles the Afghan scenario. The policy, which is being implemented by the West, is turning Syria into new Afghanistan or Somalia. I would not like my worst enemy to experience what we are experiencing in Syria now.
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Putin is upholding sanctity of UN !
Now both UAE and KSA are ramping up ground level preparations in anticipation of war.They are currently deporting all Iranians from their countries as well. There seems to be good signs that Americans are being bank rolled into another war on their behalf., and this time its not just Syria but Iran as well. Obama is in a tight place., do the right thing or the easy one ?
The US is more looking like a villain on world stage and Russia and China upholders of independent countries . Power corrupts and being a hyper power corrupts absolutely !
Now both UAE and KSA are ramping up ground level preparations in anticipation of war.They are currently deporting all Iranians from their countries as well. There seems to be good signs that Americans are being bank rolled into another war on their behalf., and this time its not just Syria but Iran as well. Obama is in a tight place., do the right thing or the easy one ?
The US is more looking like a villain on world stage and Russia and China upholders of independent countries . Power corrupts and being a hyper power corrupts absolutely !
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the obvious upshot of the "syrian crisis" is that putin has restored russia's h&d on the global stage
for me also, the oil-lobby/neo-con/hawks in the beltway also lie exposed more clearly - it seems to me that we have rival political factions struggling within the US administration - nothing wrong with that, i believe that the US is a strong democratic culture that will ultimately see sense prevail for the mango joe six pack and soccer mom
meanwhile, whoever is shooting the most jihadis and wahabbis on the ground gets my gratitude
for me also, the oil-lobby/neo-con/hawks in the beltway also lie exposed more clearly - it seems to me that we have rival political factions struggling within the US administration - nothing wrong with that, i believe that the US is a strong democratic culture that will ultimately see sense prevail for the mango joe six pack and soccer mom
meanwhile, whoever is shooting the most jihadis and wahabbis on the ground gets my gratitude
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The fat lady has still not sung yet.
The situation is in flux and quite dynamic. It is only a temporary lull. Too early to jump to conclusions about peace being restored and sanctity of UN being upheld (sic).
The present configuration of UN is nothing but a joke, and whether its sanctity is being upheld or not should be of least concern to India.
India needs to be preparing, nay working towards a new world order which is more representative of what is more equitable and realistic. It should not be content with being second fiddle to others. Restoration of UN will only allow India to be a second fiddle, what India should be concerned is how to get where it can reshape UN.
The present world order, is nothing but a mere tussle between a super power and an erstwhile contender who now dreams of being a wannabe to get back to olden days.
US will be in West Asia, and Russians will also play a role, but Russians are struggling to stay relevant. Russians are trying to be the beta, for which they have to accommodate alpha's interest. The agreement and peace initiative is going to shake that out. It may or may not work out.
The situation is in flux and quite dynamic. It is only a temporary lull. Too early to jump to conclusions about peace being restored and sanctity of UN being upheld (sic).
The present configuration of UN is nothing but a joke, and whether its sanctity is being upheld or not should be of least concern to India.
India needs to be preparing, nay working towards a new world order which is more representative of what is more equitable and realistic. It should not be content with being second fiddle to others. Restoration of UN will only allow India to be a second fiddle, what India should be concerned is how to get where it can reshape UN.
The present world order, is nothing but a mere tussle between a super power and an erstwhile contender who now dreams of being a wannabe to get back to olden days.
US will be in West Asia, and Russians will also play a role, but Russians are struggling to stay relevant. Russians are trying to be the beta, for which they have to accommodate alpha's interest. The agreement and peace initiative is going to shake that out. It may or may not work out.
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imo India should be preparing and testing a new family of n-weapons suitable for cruise missiles and latest MARVs.
nobody with half-a-undie is going to survive a global cagefight.
we must also drastically improve and make efficient our governance to stay viable as a country.
imagine Muzzafarnagar is barely 3 hrs by road from new delhi , the capital of the federation and yet villagers have dared to fire at army convoys with AK47s there with zero repurcussions under Rohilla sultanate political cover!
you think anyone will get away pulling a stunt like that in china, russia or usa? firing at army peacekeeping convoy with automatic guns? the place would be in lockdown and everyone hung upside down and shaken hard to see what falls out.
sultanate has reduced our intrinsic strength to bread n circus of afeem, charas, ganja, blue-eyed imported prostitutes, presstitute durbars, ....... a hollow shell.
nobody with half-a-undie is going to survive a global cagefight.
we must also drastically improve and make efficient our governance to stay viable as a country.
imagine Muzzafarnagar is barely 3 hrs by road from new delhi , the capital of the federation and yet villagers have dared to fire at army convoys with AK47s there with zero repurcussions under Rohilla sultanate political cover!
you think anyone will get away pulling a stunt like that in china, russia or usa? firing at army peacekeeping convoy with automatic guns? the place would be in lockdown and everyone hung upside down and shaken hard to see what falls out.
sultanate has reduced our intrinsic strength to bread n circus of afeem, charas, ganja, blue-eyed imported prostitutes, presstitute durbars, ....... a hollow shell.
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Kati wrote:With that Op-Ed Putin has outflanked the entire DC beltway - left, right and center.
The GOTUS people are now burning midnight oil and pulling their hair to decide how to respond that Op-Ed.
As usual, the SD mouth-pieces (the media outlets - the usual suspects) are going for personal attacks against Putin (he is anti-gay, he is a KGB, blah, blah.....how dare he can challenge american exceptionalism...blah blah....).
On Syria, Putin = 3, O'bumba = 0.
Obama the most feeble US president outperforming Jimmy Carter
Billed as a game-changer on Syria, the President’s White House address landed with a thud that could be heard as far away as Damascus. Barack Obama has a huge credibility problem on Syria and on foreign policy in general, and Tuesday night’s speech will do nothing to help that. As Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer put it on Fox News, it was “one of the most odd presidential speeches ever delivered,” with no clear-cut strategy laid out, while urging Congress to delay a vote on the use of force against Assad’s regime.
In effect, Obama farmed out US foreign policy in the Middle East yet again to the Russians, appealing for time to consider the Russian proposal for securing Syria’s chemical weapons, a ruse described accurately by the Telegraph’s Con Coughlin as “a massive red herring.” He also used his address to take swipes at the Bush Administration over the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, both of which it should be noted, were waged with the backing of Congress and the American people, as well as large international coalitions on a scale that the Obama administration can only dream of.
This was a desperate speech from a president who has dug himself into a hole after carelessly drawing a red line in the sand, and then finding himself in the position of actually having to do something about it
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Al_Amriki
Alabama-born Omar Hammami killed in a shootout with Al-Qaeda linked Shebab militants in Somalia:
1 1US Islamist fighting in Somalia was killed Thursday in a shootout with Al-Qaeda linked Shebab militants, former comrades he had fallen out with, witnesses said.
Alabama-born Omar Hammami — better known as Al-Amriki or “the American” — was one of the most prominent foreigners fighting in Somalia, and the US State Department had offered a $5 million (3.8 million euro) bounty for his capture.
“There was a gun battle between Amriki and his men and other fighters, the reports are that Amriki is among those killed,” said Moalim Ali, a resident in Bardhere, a small settlement in southern Somalia.
Two other extremists were also killed in the battle, including one other foreigner.
There were conflicting reports of the latter’s identity, with some reporting he was Egyptian, others suggesting he may have been British or Pakistani. Marne ke baad kyaa farak padtaa hai even if he was a puki. Its just ensuring the attention on somalia is not lost.
“Amriki and two other fighters, one of them foreigner, have been killed near Bardhere,” said Mohamed Wardhere, another resident.
There was no immediate response from the Shebab.
Hammami, 29, moved to Somalia in 2006 and began to work for Shebab recruiting young trainees through his English-language rap songs and videos.
Jerky videos showed him enthusiastically promoting the Shebab’s battle to overthrow the internationally backed government, but he later fell out with top Shebab leader Ahmed Abdi Godane, for whom the US has offered $7 million.
Hammami, who referred to himself as the “former poster boy” of the group, accused Godane of betraying the former presumed chief of Al-Qaeda in east Africa, Fazul Abdullah Muhammad, leading to his killing in 2011 in Somalia.
Fazul is thought to have planned the 1998 truck bombings of the US embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, and had a $5 million bounty on his head.
In turn, the Shebab accused Amriki of “spreading discord and disunity” and a “narcissistic pursuit of fame”.
He had previously warned of assassination attempts against him, and posted forlorn photographs on his Twitter account posing with automatic rifles, his lank hair held back by a checked headscarf.
Somalia’s Shebab have lost a string of key towns to a 17,700-strong African Union force, fighting alongside government troops.
The death of Hammami makes him the latest extremist to be killed by infighting within the group, and will bolster Godane’s control.
Abdi Aynte, head of the Somali think-tank the Heritage Institute for Policy Studies, said that if confirmed, Hammami’s death would mean the “anti-Godane alliance is almost neutralised”.
In June, Godane’s men killed two co-founders of the group, one with one with a $5 million US bounty, Ibrahim Haji Jama Mead, better known by his nickname Al-Afghani — “the Afghan”.
Veteran Islamist leader Hassan Dahir Aweys, allied to the Shebab since 2010, also fled Godane’s purge after criticising his rule, and has since been placed under arrest in the capital Mogadishu.
Inside the Shebab, some are more attracted by a nationalist agenda to oust foreign forces from Somalia, while others — including Godane — are seen as having more global jihadi ambitions.
But despite its divisions, analysts say it remains a dangerous and powerful force.
UN Monitoring Group reports in July estimated the Shebab are still some 5,000 strong, and remain the “principal threat to peace and security to Somalia”.
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Nightwatch on West Asia and the big power games:
http://www.kforcegov.com/Services/IS/Ni ... 00196.aspx
http://www.kforcegov.com/Services/IS/Ni ... 00196.aspx
Russia-Iran: Russian President Putin will offer to supply S-300 air defense missile systems to Iran and to build a second reactor at the Bushehr nuclear plant, according to Kommersant newspaper. Putin will meet with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani on 13 September at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit in Kyrgyzstan.
Comment: The Russians canceled a prior sale of this system to Iran for geo-political and financial reasons. Today's news report is no guarantee that a new contract will be signed or that the system will ever show up in Iran. Even if a new deal is reached, an operational S-300 air defense system in Iran probably is years away.
The news leak is timed to influence the strategic calculations related to Syria. Russia is advancing its interests by standing by its associates. At the same time it is making itself consequential in the resolution of critical, potentially escalatory problems in the Middle East. Consequential in this context means that the problems cannot be solved without involving Russia.
That has not been the case since the so-called Arab Spring started. One view is that the Russians felt duped and deceived by the West in the Libyan operation in which a no-fly zone morphed into tactical bombing attacks that led to the death of Qadhafi. Their engagement in Syria is aimed at preventing a repeat of the Libya experience and the loss of an ally. In this theory, the Russians will not allow a US-led coalition a free hand in Syria.
Russia-US: President Putin's opinion piece which was printed by the New York Times is well-written, well-reasoned and insufferable. After their invasion of Georgia in 2008 and operations in Chechnya, the Russians have no standing to lecture anyone about international law and the use of force.
However, Putin helped reset the discussion about the 21 August attack. He admitted that "poison gas" was used without specifying the agent. He wrote that there is reason to believe that the rebels executed the attack to provoke western intervention. He also said that the report of a rebel chemical attack against Israel cannot be ignored.
In attempting to manipulate the US leadership, he spotlighted the unsettling prospect that the Syrian opposition groups are doing the same. The other side of the story that the Russians credit more than US is that the Syrian opposition groups are not gallant freedom fighters in any civilized sense.
Russia-US-Syria: For the record. Russian news agencies quoted a Russian source as saying: "We handed over to the Americans a plan to place chemical weapons in Syria under international control. We expect to discuss it in Geneva."
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and US Secretary of State John Kerry and their delegations are scheduled to meet in Geneva on 12 September to discuss the proposal.
Comment: The Russians evidently do have a plan. Meanwhile, the UN Secretary General said the UN report of findings on the 21 August attack would be available next Monday, the 16th.
If the Syrian government judged it needed chemical weapons to defeat the opposition groups, it would seem unwise to agree to place them under international control pending destruction. Asad's advisors apparently judge they can win without these weapons provided the US does not intervene. Hmm...
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Maloola cleansed of terrorists
Soldiers of the Syrian Army's Second Army Corps are greeted by terrified and overwhelmed citizens of Ma'loolaa after having crushed the rebel onslaught. They were helped in this by the baath party militia gathered from around Damascus consisting exclusively of Christians.
Putin & Assad are the saviour of the ancient christians.
Kerry, Benjamin Miliekowski & Bandar are the Judas & Phariseans out to kill them.
Soldiers of the Syrian Army's Second Army Corps are greeted by terrified and overwhelmed citizens of Ma'loolaa after having crushed the rebel onslaught. They were helped in this by the baath party militia gathered from around Damascus consisting exclusively of Christians.
Putin & Assad are the saviour of the ancient christians.
Kerry, Benjamin Miliekowski & Bandar are the Judas & Phariseans out to kill them.
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Though Maloola was attacked a week ago, the Army had to withdraw due to fear of Obama's attack on Syria. And Maloola was feared to be a death trap for soldiers because Obama could shoot missiles into Maloola and destroy every last trace of Orthodox Christian heritage site along with residents and also soldiers and Jabhat terrorists. This would be a win-win from Obama + neo-Phariseans/Neo-Cons.
The rebels taking advantage of the surprising withdrawal of troops from the theatre, immediately launched themselves into various welfare activities in this Christian town. They began forced conversion to Islam at gunpoint and took hostages (one male son from every family) from the residents. The SAA withdrawal orders had come from Chief of Staff Lt. Gen Ali Abdullah Ayoob to redeploy to safer areas fearing the above-mentioned scenario.
At precisely Wednesday, 7:30 p. m. September 11, the last footsoldier of Al-Nusra and Al-Farooq battalion left Maloola for Yabrood and surrounding areas. They number in hundreds and are going to spread their terror elsewhere.
The attack had begun on last tuesday, when a Jordanian suicide bomber drove a truck into an army checkpoint at the gates of the heritage city and detonated his payload killing 10 army soldiers paving the way for a large group of Chechen and assorted rodents into the city and they started their reign of terror.
The rebels taking advantage of the surprising withdrawal of troops from the theatre, immediately launched themselves into various welfare activities in this Christian town. They began forced conversion to Islam at gunpoint and took hostages (one male son from every family) from the residents. The SAA withdrawal orders had come from Chief of Staff Lt. Gen Ali Abdullah Ayoob to redeploy to safer areas fearing the above-mentioned scenario.
At precisely Wednesday, 7:30 p. m. September 11, the last footsoldier of Al-Nusra and Al-Farooq battalion left Maloola for Yabrood and surrounding areas. They number in hundreds and are going to spread their terror elsewhere.
The attack had begun on last tuesday, when a Jordanian suicide bomber drove a truck into an army checkpoint at the gates of the heritage city and detonated his payload killing 10 army soldiers paving the way for a large group of Chechen and assorted rodents into the city and they started their reign of terror.
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precisely., probably this might be one thing that might stop a american adventurism in a possible future., say if some 'pro independence' struggle inside india for example !Singha wrote:imo India should be preparing and testing a new family of n-weapons suitable for cruise missiles and latest MARVs.
nobody with half-a-undie is going to survive a global cagefight.
we must also drastically improve and make efficient our governance to stay viable as a country.
imagine Muzzafarnagar is barely 3 hrs by road from new delhi , the capital of the federation and yet villagers have dared to fire at army convoys with AK47s there with zero repurcussions under Rohilla sultanate political cover!
you think anyone will get away pulling a stunt like that in china, russia or usa? firing at army peacekeeping convoy with automatic guns? the place would be in lockdown and everyone hung upside down and shaken hard to see what falls out.
sultanate has reduced our intrinsic strength to bread n circus of afeem, charas, ganja, blue-eyed imported prostitutes, presstitute durbars, ....... a hollow shell.
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Capitalism has evolved into such monstrous proportions that almost 80 percent of worlds wealth is concentrated in few mega corporates that are closely held.Real power is with them , american president may well be a puppet to such immense power that can make or break nations and certainly the presidency as well .panduranghari wrote:Kati wrote:With that Op-Ed Putin has outflanked the entire DC beltway - left, right and center.
The GOTUS people are now burning midnight oil and pulling their hair to decide how to respond that Op-Ed.
As usual, the SD mouth-pieces (the media outlets - the usual suspects) are going for personal attacks against Putin (he is anti-gay, he is a KGB, blah, blah.....how dare he can challenge american exceptionalism...blah blah....).
On Syria, Putin = 3, O'bumba = 0.
Obama the most feeble US president outperforming Jimmy Carter
Billed as a game-changer on Syria, the President’s White House address landed with a thud that could be heard as far away as Damascus. Barack Obama has a huge credibility problem on Syria and on foreign policy in general, and Tuesday night’s speech will do nothing to help that. As Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer put it on Fox News, it was “one of the most odd presidential speeches ever delivered,” with no clear-cut strategy laid out, while urging Congress to delay a vote on the use of force against Assad’s regime.
In effect, Obama farmed out US foreign policy in the Middle East yet again to the Russians, appealing for time to consider the Russian proposal for securing Syria’s chemical weapons, a ruse described accurately by the Telegraph’s Con Coughlin as “a massive red herring.” He also used his address to take swipes at the Bush Administration over the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, both of which it should be noted, were waged with the backing of Congress and the American people, as well as large international coalitions on a scale that the Obama administration can only dream of.
This was a desperate speech from a president who has dug himself into a hole after carelessly drawing a red line in the sand, and then finding himself in the position of actually having to do something about it
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Assad giving up weapons due to Russian guarantee and not US threat.
It is a liar admiration society out there. One liar quotes another liar. Only a liar can understand another liar.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/11/us/sy ... ?hpt=hp_t1
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ker ... story.htmlSyrian President Bashar al-Assad said he will cede control of his country’s chemical weapons — but only because of Russia’s persuasion, not America’s military threats, Russian news services reported Thursday.
It is a liar admiration society out there. One liar quotes another liar. Only a liar can understand another liar.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/11/us/sy ... ?hpt=hp_t1
A lie about earning a Ph.D. cost a Syria expert her job as an analyst days after her op-ed in the Wall Street Journal was cited by Secretary of State John Kerry and Sen. John McCain in congressional hearings about possible U.S. military action in the war-torn country.
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Bali ka bakraahabal wrote:
A lie about earning a Ph.D. cost a Syria expert her job as an analyst days after her op-ed in the Wall Street Journal was cited by Secretary of State John Kerry and Sen. John McCain in congressional hearings about possible U.S. military action in the war-torn country.
to escape the scrutiny and criticism by the press towards Kerry? 
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Saar - Elizabeth O'Bagy was well known for her closeness to the Islamist militias operating in Syria. Her `journalism' basically consisted of repeating all claims of the assorted al-Qaeda types. She arranged McCain's carefully scripted meetings with the Syrian rebel commanders, in which McCain never asked any of the rebels their views about democracy, or minorities, or anything uncomfortable. She is a lobbyist for an emigre Syrian group clamouring for US intervention, but is still paid from contracts given by the US government. She had outlived her utility (and been exposed), so she had to go. The University degree is just the given reason, not the real one ......Garooda wrote:Bali ka bakraahabal wrote:
A lie about earning a Ph.D. cost a Syria expert her job as an analyst days after her op-ed in the Wall Street Journal was cited by Secretary of State John Kerry and Sen. John McCain in congressional hearings about possible U.S. military action in the war-torn country.
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Aah..gets even more interesting. Thanks.nageshks wrote: A lie about earning a Ph.D. cost a Syria expert her job as an analyst days after her op-ed in the Wall Street Journal was cited by Secretary of State John Kerry and Sen. John McCain in congressional hearings about possible U.S. military action in the war-torn country.
Bali ka bakraa
Saar - Elizabeth O'Bagy was well known for her closeness to the Islamist militias operating in Syria. Her `journalism' basically consisted of repeating all claims of the assorted al-Qaeda types. She arranged McCain's carefully scripted meetings with the Syrian rebels commanders, in which McCain never asked any of the rebels their views about democracy, or minorities, or anything uncomfortable. She is a lobbyist for an emigre Syrian group clamouring for US intervention, but is still paid from contracts given by the US government. She had outlived her utility (and been exposed), so she had to go. The University degree is just the given reason, not the real one ......
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btw the Sinai region of Egypt is also proving a hard nut for the army to keep pacified. daily attacks using heavy explosives on army units.
also benghazi where else witnessed a early morning car bomb explosion on some kind of anniversary of great rage day, whatever the rageboys count as rage day, which is every day.
if the israelis think the neo-sunni caliph will listen to a saudi brokered 'covenant' not to attack israel after he hoists the black flag of khorasan onto damascus they are living in a dream world.
already the egypt army in the south is under pressure from islamist militias, despite official saudi support to the egypt army camp.
also benghazi where else witnessed a early morning car bomb explosion on some kind of anniversary of great rage day, whatever the rageboys count as rage day, which is every day.
if the israelis think the neo-sunni caliph will listen to a saudi brokered 'covenant' not to attack israel after he hoists the black flag of khorasan onto damascus they are living in a dream world.
already the egypt army in the south is under pressure from islamist militias, despite official saudi support to the egypt army camp.
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They don't. They are terrified and are already distributing gas masks in anticipation that they will get hit (whether by Assad, or by the rebels).Singha wrote: if the israelis think the neo-sunni caliph will listen to a saudi brokered 'covenant' not to attack israel after he hoists the black flag of khorasan onto damascus they are living in a dream world.
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http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-begi ... s-1.263878
They are under no delusions that replacement of Assad by al-Qaeda means any peace for them. From what I am seeing, it is the Israeli left that is cheering for an attack on Syria (like our centre-left, the Israeli Labour (centre left) is also enamoured with the US). Bibi's relations with Obama have been strained precisely because the Israeli interests clash with American interests. This is not a clash of personalities, this is a genuine difference of interests and world views Israel has never been happy with replacing Mubarak by MB or Assad with al-Qaeda, but they have just kept quiet or even gone along because US has wanted them to. It is not `Israel leading the US into its wars', it is more `US leading Israel into its wars' Israelis have gone along because they have no choice. They simply cannot do without US support.
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Stop Blaming Colonial Borders for the Middle East’s Problems
“There's nothing the Arab respects more, John, than a strong steady white hand drawing arbitrary lines betwixt there ridiculous tribal allegiances," John Oliver said recently while dressed as a 19th-century British explorer.
“There's nothing the Arab respects more, John, than a strong steady white hand drawing arbitrary lines betwixt there ridiculous tribal allegiances," John Oliver said recently while dressed as a 19th-century British explorer.
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Just imagine how many fake analyst have reported on India , Kashmir and the terrorists.Garooda wrote:Bali ka bakraahabal wrote:
A lie about earning a Ph.D. cost a Syria expert her job as an analyst days after her op-ed in the Wall Street Journal was cited by Secretary of State John Kerry and Sen. John McCain in congressional hearings about possible U.S. military action in the war-torn country.
This is a lie CNN - she was fired because McCain AND Kerry failed to inform Congress she also worked as the Political Director for the Syrian Emergency Task Force - a group that lobbied the White House to support the rebels. So of course her opinion would be biased toward the rebels. She is only 26 years old.
"Huffington Post: O’Bagy wrote that “contrary to many media accounts, the war in Syria is not being waged entirely, or even predominantly, by dangerous Islamists and al Qaeda die-hards.” For McCain and Kerry, each advocating intervention, the op-ed served as a way to speak to concerns over the make-up of the forces fighting Syrian President Bashar Assad, and whether they're hostile to U.S. interests.
But the Journal came under scrutiny for publishing the op-ed without disclosing O'Bagy's role as political director of the Syrian Emergency Task Force, a Washington-based advocacy group that has lobbied the White House and Congress to support the Syrian rebels.
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Sunni axis funded al-mobs will keep on throwing tantrums and not accept any negotiation or even give a damn about international law or UN negotiations.Acharya wrote:Stop Blaming Colonial Borders for the Middle East’s Problems
“There's nothing the Arab respects more, John, than a strong steady white hand drawing arbitrary lines betwixt there ridiculous tribal allegiances," John Oliver said recently while dressed as a 19th-century British explorer.
It is the al-mobs who should be attacked for breaking international laws and infiltrating into Syria for their barbaric attacks.
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The Hidden Fear in Putin's New York Times Op-Ed
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opini ... ml?hp&_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opini ... ml?hp&_r=0
A Plea for Caution From Russia
What Putin Has to Say to Americans About Syria
By VLADIMIR V. PUTIN
Published: September 11, 2013 2864 Comments
MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.
Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.
The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.
No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.
The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.
Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.
Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.
From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.
No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.
It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”
But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.
No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.
The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.
We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.
A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama, the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.
I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.
If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.
My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.
Vladimir V. Putin is the president of Russia.
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Putin has to fear nothing
for him Israel and France are model doctrine
Israel and France have declared that if there is any Chemical or WMD attack on their respective interests leave alon territory
they will retaliate wit full might on all the actors stae or non state with WMD as well.
So if Putin / Russia is faced with sucha WMD attack Rusia reserves the same rights as others to after the actors state or otherwise including the people who give moral and or physical support.
so Atlantic version is one ocean apart in their interpretation....
for him Israel and France are model doctrine
Israel and France have declared that if there is any Chemical or WMD attack on their respective interests leave alon territory
they will retaliate wit full might on all the actors stae or non state with WMD as well.
So if Putin / Russia is faced with sucha WMD attack Rusia reserves the same rights as others to after the actors state or otherwise including the people who give moral and or physical support.
so Atlantic version is one ocean apart in their interpretation....
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I think Ramana doesn't want me to reply to this forum so I am taking a chance but I want to post this article from Foreignpolicy
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ia_is_slow
I think a little reading between the lines will reveal that Chemical Warfare will soon lose its effectiveness in Syria against the opposition forces and civilians.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ia_is_slow
I think a little reading between the lines will reveal that Chemical Warfare will soon lose its effectiveness in Syria against the opposition forces and civilians.