Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 16 Sep 2013 14:58

kittoo wrote:
Any idea who this MP from Gujarat is?

Saar, don't want to offend you, but there are more than enough hints in it to know that it is Advani. Advani contests from Gandhinagar. Ironically he relies on Modi to win. That said, I would take that article with a pinch of salt. More likely is that the letter was written by dynasty.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 16 Sep 2013 15:11

Patni wrote:Advani just praised modi in public speech for his work to get electricity to all villages of Gujarat and expressed happiness about him being pm candidate from NDA. I wonder why he couldn't do same 3 days back?

Might be to smoke out the snakes.... Who knows.

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 16 Sep 2013 15:16

kapilrdave wrote:
kittoo wrote:
Any idea who this MP from Gujarat is?
Saar, don't want to offend you, but there are more than enough hints in it to know that it is Advani. Advani contests from Gandhinagar. Ironically he relies on Modi to win. That said, I would take that article with a pinch of salt. More likely is that the letter was written by dynasty.

Oh I thought it was some other MP, working with Advani, from Gujarat. No offence taken saar.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 16 Sep 2013 15:35

Sanku wrote:
Patni wrote:Advani just praised modi in public speech for his work to get electricity to all villages of Gujarat and expressed happiness about him being pm candidate from NDA. I wonder why he couldn't do same 3 days back?
Indeed why couldnt he?

This is good strategy onlee and very well executed too.

LKA is deliberately positioning himself as a viable & credible alternative to NaMo in case the magic number of seats is not reached. The charade of opposition can always be used to better position LKA if and when the time comes.

Look at how the Goa episode and now this drama has played out. Chanakian ploy. RSS is now into strategic thinking.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 16 Sep 2013 15:59

SRT is a guy who refused to pay the import duty for his Ferrari. And refused to pay the fees of his former CA, in spite of being one the the richest sportsman in the world ...

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 16 Sep 2013 16:18

Sad to say, if sr-t/k continues in this path, 6 months down the line all izzat earned for both will go down the bandra sewer into arabian sea.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 16 Sep 2013 16:29

arvin wrote:Sad to say, if sr-t/k continues in this path, 6 months down the line all izzat earned for both will go down the bandra sewer into arabian sea.

I have a feeling that he will stay as aloof from electioneering as much he has been until now. At the most, he may campaign for a candidate or two in Mumbai (under the banner of close acquaintance/dear friend). He is made of the right combo for congress to make inroads in urban middle class Marathi households.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 16 Sep 2013 16:34

Patni wrote:Advani just praised modi in public speech for his work to get electricity to all villages of Gujarat and expressed happiness about him being pm candidate from NDA. I wonder why he couldn't do same 3 days back?

Sanku wrote: Indeed why couldnt he?

chetak wrote: This is good strategy onlee and very well executed too.

LKA is deliberately positioning himself as a viable & credible alternative to NaMo in case the magic number of seats is not reached. The charade of opposition can always be used to better position LKA if and when the time comes.

Look at how the Goa episode and now this drama has played out. Chanakian ploy. RSS is now into strategic thinking.

There is nothing called as chanikyan in these episodes. It is even wrong as some forum-ites make allegations of sell-off to INC etc.

Whatever he has done so far is mark of ullu-ka-patte style. In simple words just foolishness beyond comprehension. Only good thing a chapter of clear infighting is ended by finally taking a shot at decisiveness by the party leadership.

He does not need to do all that he has done to position himself to get an alternative position. It is our eagerness to see some chanikyaness we get into these deeper non-existing analysis. The world will just look him as sulking-kid and nothing else. His time is over and that is all. I wish it was more respectful as he is one who built the party when it was non-existent.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 16 Sep 2013 16:47

We are used to compromise politics of con race. The decisive election of NaMo looks extraordinary thanks to low bar set by compromising dilli billis.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 16 Sep 2013 17:04

People have made up their mind -Tavleen Singh

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater

परिवर्तन के पुरोधा - Pioneers of Revolution

लोगों ने अपना मन बना लिया है - तवलीन सिंह, वरिष्ठ पत्रकार
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जयपुर में मोदी का यह जलसा इतना विशाल था कि अगर आंखों से न देखा होता, तो यकीन करना मुश्किल होता। Jaipur's meeting was so huge that if I had not seen it with my own eyes I wouldn't have believed it.

मुझे याद आया 1977 की वे आम सभाएं, जो जनता पार्टी की तरफ से उस वक्त हुई, जब चुनाव का एक ही मुद्दा बन गया था-इंदिरा गांधी हटाओ। I was reminded of 1977's meeting which were done by Janata Party with only one issue 'remove indira'.

उन सभाओं को देखकर इंदिरा जी इतनी डर गई थीं कि रामलीला मैदान में जिस दिन एक सभा होनी थी, उस दिन दूरदर्शन पर बॉबी फिल्म लगवा दी। Seeing those meetings Indira got so scared that on the day of Ramlila maidan railley she showed 'Bobby' film on doordarshan.

जब वोट क्लब में जलसा होना था, तो दिल्ली सरकार को आदेश देकर मंच गिरवा दिया। राजनेता उस टूटे मंच के सामने खड़े होकर बोले, और अटल बिहारी वाजपेयी ने अपना भाषण टूटे मंच की तरफ इशारा करके इस शेर से शुरू किया "खंडहर बता रहे हैं इमारत बुलंद थी"। The day a meeting was to happen on boatclub the delhi govt. had the podium broken and Vajpayee stood on that broken dias started his address with "खंडहर बता रहे हैं इमारत बुलंद थी"(couldn't translate it)

उस साल भी राजनीतिक पंडितों ने इन आम शब्दों को अनदेखा करके, तय कर लिया था कि इंदिरा जी को हटाना संभव ही नहीं है। आज वैसे ही लोग दिल्ली में बैठकर तय कर चुके हैं कि मोदी का प्रधानमंत्री बनना असंभव है। That year too political pundits had ignored all this and predicted that it was impossible to remove indira. In that same way people sitting in delhi have decided that it is impossible for modi to be prime minister.

पूछो, तो कहते हैं कि भाजपा को उतनी सीटें नहीं मिल सकेंगी कि वह अगला प्रधानमंत्री बना सके। यह भी कहते हैं कि मोदी की लोकप्रियता बेशक जितनी हो, वह सीटें नहीं दिलवा सकते। जयपुर के अमरूदों के बाग पहुंचकर आश्चर्य हुआ मुझे कि दिल्ली से इन राजनीतिक पंडितों ने वहां पहुंचने की तकलीफ भी नहीं की। आते, तो शायद उनको जनता की निराशा का एहसास होता, जनता के गुस्से की आवाज सुनाई देती। You ask them and they say that bjp won't get that many seats for him to become the prime minister. They also say that doesn't matter how popular modi is he can't get seats. Reaching in the Amrud park of jaipur i was surprised that these delhi pundits don't even bother to come here and see. If they'd come they'd see the disappointment and anger of the public.

लोग सिर्फ मोदी को देखने-सुनने, और किसी को नहीं। इतना समर्थन किसी राजनेता के लिए मैंने बहुत वर्षों से नहीं देखा है। काश कि दिल्ली में बैठे उन राजनीतिक पंडितों ने देखा होता, जो इस जलसे के बारे में सिर्फ यह लिखते फिरते हैं कि मुसलमानों को जबर्दस्ती मुस्लिम लिबास में आना पड़ा। आम लोगों से जब मैंने पूछा कि वे क्यों पसंद करते हैं मोदी को, तो तकरीबन एक ही जवाब मिला, देश को ऐसे नेता की जरूरत है। इसीलिए भाजपा ने उनका नाम प्रधानमंत्री पद के लिए घोषित किया है। People just come to see modi NO ONE ELSE. I haven't seen such a support for any leader in years. Alas the delhi pundits would have seen, who just write that muslims were forced to come in muslim dress. When I asked people why they like modi? only one answer "country needs such a leader." That's why bjp has declared him PM candidate.

हम ज्योतिषी नहीं हैं, लेकिन विनम्रता से कहना ही पड़ेगा मुझे कि उत्तर भारत में नरेंद्र मोदी की पहली आम सभा को देखकर मुझे यकीन हो गया कि लोगों ने अपना मन बना लिया है। We're not astrologers, but humbly I submit that seeing this first meeting of north india, I'm convinced that people have made up their mind.

I've seen the craze of Rajiv Gandhi in 1984 and cong won 416 seats because of him in that election.

Why can't modi get at least 272 seats then? Miracles do happen!

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 16 Sep 2013 17:18

Lilo wrote:
Indian Media analyzing controversial politician Narendra Modi's Speech -- Al-Beeb

The paper, however, says that post-election, Mr Modi may well need the veteran leader's help to attract allies.

The Pioneer too feels that "regardless of all that has happened, Mr Advani remains the party's tallest and most respected leader, and Mr Modi, more than anyone at this juncture, needs his guidance".

Moving on to other news, a temple in Guruvayur in the southern state of Kerala has rejected a request from the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) to share details about its gold assets, The Indian Express reports.

The Sri Krishna Temple is "one of the richest in India and has a vast quantity of gold and other valuables in its reserves", the report says and quotes an RBI spokesperson as saying that the information was only needed for a data collection exercise.

And finally, garbage bins in Delhi are all set for a makeover as the authorities have decided to invite painters to make them look beautiful, The Pioneer reports.

Suraj note - some one of your capability needs to send a message to these pioneer communists.

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 16 Sep 2013 17:30

Subramaniyam Swamy just tweeted-EC informs me that the new EVMs will be used in a large number of constituencies in forthcoming state elections. SC will hear it on Oct 4th.
Combining it with the news which came a few days back, that 2 lac more EVMs of the new kind (total becomes 16 lac, with 14 older ones) have been ordered, I guess at best there will be 2 lac new EVMs in the assembly elections.
The question is of Loksabha elections. I hope by the time all are new ones, though I doubt it somehow.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 16 Sep 2013 17:32

LK Advani breaks his silence, lauds BJP PM nominee Narendra Modi

Bilaspur: It seems Bharatiya Janata Party patriarch LK Advani is finally on board over Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi's anointment as the party's Prime Ministerial candidate. After his absence from the BJP's Parliamentary board meeting, Advani on Monday finally broke his silence and appreciated Modi while speaking in Chhattisgarh. "There was a quest to provide villages with electricity, and it was the dream of Shivraj Singh Chouhan along with Modi. Modi was the first person to provide three villages at the same time with electricity," Advani said while dedicating a power plant in Bilaspur in Chhattisgarh. ALSO SEE Delhi: Modi, Advani attend Ram Jethmalani's 90th birthday celebrations "Narendra Modi has provided electricity to several villages in his state. The decision of the BJP to make him the PM nominee is a great one. He will do excellent work as PM," he added.

Comment

this is the most disappointing news for media more than the Congress party

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 16 Sep 2013 17:36

kittoo wrote:Subramaniyam Swamy just tweeted-EC informs me that the new EVMs will be used in a large number of constituencies in forthcoming state elections. SC will hear it on Oct 4th.
Combining it with the news which came a few days back, that 2 lac more EVMs of the new kind (total becomes 16 lac, with 14 older ones) have been ordered, I guess at best there will be 2 lac new EVMs in the assembly elections.
The question is of Loksabha elections. I hope by the time all are new ones, though I doubt it somehow.

I would be careful about that conclusion. The news about the 2 lakh new EVMs ordered was about EVMs of the old design, without a paper trail.

The EC wants to use paperless EVMs in 2014, perhaps barring a few odd booths here and there.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 16 Sep 2013 17:42

Pranav ji; do you know that the sedition indicted Binayak Sen has found a home in AAP?

Are all the congressies looking at finding hideouts in AAP in light of the coming Tsunami? Isnt that why AAP has been put up? I hope Modi leads the assembly charge in Delhi personally and decimate these *&%#@#@ in Delhi.

I would happily dance on their collective graves.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 16 Sep 2013 17:48

Singha wrote:if SRT wants to drag his reputation in the mud consorting with the Congis, nothing can stop him.
I dont think anyone will vote just because SRT asks them to.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the electorate.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 16 Sep 2013 17:48

RamaY wrote:Sanku ji,

Congratulations!

RamaY-ji, thank you.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 16 Sep 2013 17:55

chaanakya wrote:
Patni wrote:Advani just praised modi in public speech for his work to get electricity to all villages of Gujarat and expressed happiness about him being pm candidate from NDA. I wonder why he couldn't do same 3 days back?
Might be to smoke out the snakes.... Who knows.

I think such as this. LKA's speech came shortly after this. (man they really hate Nitish)

BJP's 'Iron Man' Advani has been left to rust: Nitish

The Bihar Chief Minister empathised with "sulking" L K Advani. "The 'Iron man' of BJP has been left to rust," Kumar said, emerging from 'Janata Ke Darbar me Mukhya Mantri' programme at his residence.

Bechaara.....

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 16 Sep 2013 18:15

Sanku wrote:Pranav ji; do you know that the sedition indicted Binayak Sen has found a home in AAP?

Are all the congressies looking at finding hideouts in AAP in light of the coming Tsunami? Isnt that why AAP has been put up? I hope Modi leads the assembly charge in Delhi personally and decimate these *&%#@#@ in Delhi.

I would happily dance on their collective graves.

Err ... your queries are best directed to the Congress and the AAP.

BTW, does the BJP have a CM candidate for Delhi?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 16 Sep 2013 18:16

Advani retreats: To fight another day - http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 739_1.html

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 16 Sep 2013 18:17

Sankuji,

For all the criticism you received, I think LKA did play his role very well. It did force the coterie to accept NM on their own, one by one. The Bhiku thing is an ice on the cake. Who would want Salya as their charioteer after reading MB?

Moving on to NM's strategy. So far he covered
- businessmen
- students
- ex-servicemen
- Farmers
...
next should come women. I hope he does it during Vijayadashami

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 16 Sep 2013 18:18

Pranav wrote:Advani retreats: To fight another day - http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 739_1.html

Pranavji - Given a chance what would you believe? What LKA said or what BS thinks about it?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 16 Sep 2013 18:28

RamaY wrote:
Pranav wrote:Advani retreats: To fight another day - http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 739_1.html
Pranavji - Given a chance what would you believe? What LKA said or what BS thinks about it?

Well, it is very difficult to conclude that he has undergone any genuine change of heart.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 16 Sep 2013 18:32

^^^

tears?!?!?

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 16 Sep 2013 18:40

Sachin is Rajya Sabha MP gratis congress
Ferrari with duty
No wonder he will do duty to Rahul baba
( iPad is killing my expression)

Skanda · Post by **Skanda** » 16 Sep 2013 18:44

Didnt expect to live this day when Aaaaaaaaaaaakar Patel can write this

2014 can soon become a walkover

The Bharatiya Janata Party, under Mr Modi, will launch an onslaught of the sort that voters haven’t seen before. We saw a glimpse of it in Gujarat last year, with three-dimensional holographic imagery and such things. That was a campaign that flattened the Opposition. Expect something even flashier and more aggressive than that in the fight for New Delhi. Since the Modi-as-PM-candidate issue is finally settled, today let us look at the other team, the Congress, and see what the party is up to. On the face of it, it is not easy to see how they will do well in 2014. The primary reason is to my mind a lack of hunger. Neither Mrs Sonia Gandhi nor her son Rahul have the drive or the energy that Mr Modi has. If they have the desire to return to power, they have not yet shown it. Part of it is their mental make-up. Both of them have taken on a slightly resigned approach to the problems of India.

He errs here:

Mr Modi, on the other hand, personifies this approach. He says with confidence that the only real problem with India is that it doesn’t have firm governance. It is the waffling of the Congress and its incompetence that has laid low what should be a great nation.

A lot of poverty in India can also be traced to delayed or bad policies made by this Govt. So yes, an affirmative Govt which acts fast is important. But this is Aakar Patel's second article in 2 days where is saying something I can agree with (if not fully).

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 16 Sep 2013 18:53

Faking News: Bharat Nirman ad wins best comic film award at National Film Festival

Faking News---Jairam Ramesh: “Idea to credit Rahul Gandhi for the Land Acquisition bill was also Rahul Gandhi’s”

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 16 Sep 2013 18:56

Don't Delhi voters know that con race puts B teams like this.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 16 Sep 2013 18:57

LKG has been like brat who is entitled to his toys
He did not behave like statesmen some portray here.
His glum face, not reciprocating the curtesy extended to him all shows how small minded he is.
Here is a nation that is hungry, even starving for change, the nation is being plundered sucked dry right in front of his eyes and yet he is only concerned about himself. Where is the pledge of a true RSS scan halal that he was once? Long back Varsha bhen exposed this guy. A selfish guy who goes to jinnahs grave and does the chameleon act

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 16 Sep 2013 19:14

Amyrao..++1

NM helping LKA fill nomination papers. AS in background.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 16 Sep 2013 19:55

Guys,
One thing, and this goes out to Twitter accounts as well. there is lots of bad blood, which these journalist will try to exploit using false news. Sanku may have been wrong, but now is the time to use his strategy. The fight is out there, with Cong (I = Italy), TSP, assorted free loaders, crony capitalists, traitors etc. Advani or anyone is just another person whom you can disagree with, but is on our team!!

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 16 Sep 2013 19:59

fanne wrote:Guys,
One thing, and this goes out to Twitter accounts as well. there is lots of bad blood, which these journalist will try to exploit using false news. Sanku may have been wrong, but now is the time to use his strategy. The fight is out there, with Cong (I = Italy), TSP, assorted free loaders, crony capitalists, traitors etc. Advani or anyone is just another person whom you can disagree with, but is on our team!!

I agree. Better to start a new thread to send constructive ideas to BJP at a seat level on alliances, new strategies etc..

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 16 Sep 2013 20:09

Looks like there are quite a few people who will leave as NM wins to be next PM of Bharat. I hope they are getting necessary documentation in place.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 16 Sep 2013 20:17

the evm stuff is scary wonder what is the new concoction cooked up

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 16 Sep 2013 20:29

Pranav wrote: Well, it is very difficult to conclude that he has undergone any genuine change of heart.

Yes, there is no change of heart whatsoever, very much the same Advani for many tens of years.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 16 Sep 2013 20:47

Now ppl who are giving a Chankian angle to LKA's sulk as some strategy are sounding even more sadder. The whole world can see a sulk. I hope they stop trying to obfuscate and spread untruth as as some chanakyan gospel.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 16 Sep 2013 20:52

Harbansji,

There are two possibilities.

1. It was indeed a chanikyan move - Nothing wrong in claiming it.

2. It was a sulk - All we have heard so far is from LKG's blog and media articles. Given the paid media penchant for undermining anything BJP (notice how they are criticizing our armed forces, just because they invited NM to a rally), why should we give them any happiness? Call it chanikianness and deny the media-crooks the opportunity to criticize BJP.

Internally LKG will get the consequences of his actions (Manasa, vacha and karmana)

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 16 Sep 2013 20:56

Sanku wrote: Comment
this is the most disappointing news for media more than the Congress party

The comment was by some one on rediff. People are not really dumb.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 16 Sep 2013 20:57

Call it chanikianness and deny the media-crooks the opportunity to criticize BJP.

You don't counter their criticism by spreading obvious untruth. You give more ammo to them.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 16 Sep 2013 21:00

harbans wrote:
Call it chanikianness and deny the media-crooks the opportunity to criticize BJP.
You don't counter their criticism by spreading obvious untruth. You give more ammo to them.

The only obvious untruth is by media and psudeo-supporters of NaMo at behest of congress.