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[Lilo]

^^ The famous speech on the threat from Military Industrial Complex (MIC) of Massa

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

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Any sound bites from al-mobs AKA "rebels" - or are they silently seething in anger ?
Probably no one in western MSM is lending an ear a anymore. Failure has no fathers.

Hope Assad was taking care of them during their current state of Stasis - since the last 2-3 weeks- while they were in anticipation of the "game changing" NATO action.

[vishvak]

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[kit]

vishvak, maybe you should delete your above post.

[member_27444]

I wish to read sir Johann explain events. It's always better to have contra opinions posted for a different perspective. Paging sir Johann

[TSJones]

^^^^Here's an alternative viewpoint if you like......

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... imes_op_ed

[Kati]

^^^^^
A hollow argument from FP to downplay Putin's column.
The fact of the matter is what the public thinks....
if if one goes by numerous message boards/blods/chat rooms, then Putin has
won over US Admin (yes, entire US admin, not just O'mbaba) by a 3 to 1 margin.

[KLNMurthy]

^^^^^
A hollow argument from FP to downplay Putin's column.
The fact of the matter is what the public thinks....
if if one goes by numerous message boards/blods/chat rooms, then Putin has
won over US Admin (yes, entire US admin, not just O'mbaba) by a 3 to 1 margin.

+1
I doubt that anyone on BRF will buy the line that Russia is a big WMD proliferator, therefore not credible etc. Such things can be saved for the ignorant.

We all know which country recklessly connived at creating the most dangerous nuclear power and proliferator, endangering all of mankind.

[member_27444]

Err was not Reagan later papa bush who were hand in glove with PRC in proliferation of Nukes to TSP

[Singha]

they have also ICBM to client state (UK), shared atomic test and simulation data with UK and France and perhaps facilitated Israeli n program while publicly denouncing it.

[habal]

Terrorists given free run of Turkey Airports .. VIP section, no less.

15 September 2013 Sunday 14:45
Terrorists Get Given VIP Treatment in Turkey

CHP Deputy Chairman Nihat Matkap has announced that terrorists linked with the Free Syrian Army (FSA) are being hosted in Turkey airports.

Nihat Matkap, the deputy chairman of Turkey’s main opposition party the CHP, has said that he was surprised from something he saw at Esenboga Airport in Ankara. Matkap declared that the VIP section at the airports have served Free Syrian Army (FSA) militants similar to special camps at the Syrian border, adding that “At the VIP section of the Esenboğa Airport I came across members of the FSA who have become an instrument for the fight against brothers in Syria, and who are known to receive military training in camps where CHP deputies were not allowed to enter. A group of 15-20 people were openly using the VIP section and receiving service. The Minister of Transport and the Prime Minister has to enlighten the public on this issue.”
Meanwhile, it has been learnt that the opening of the VIP section of the airports to FSA members became possible from the instructions given by the Ministry of the Interior. Airport workers who provided information to Aydınlık newspaper said that they do what is instructed and confirmed that they received information from security forces concerning a free-pass for FSA members.

http://www.dailyhy.net/terrorists-get-g ... y-494h.htm

Paging Amanpour .. repressive govt in Turkey openly violating the rights opposition activists and freedom of press.

Because the minute you are silent, is the minute you are part of the problem

since you said this ^^
paging the most moral country in the world based on the most moral principles in the world ..
Erdogan has gassed brutalised his own people, including opposition activists and journalists. He is no democrat, he is a dictator.

15 September 2013 Sunday 14:43
Government Jails Another Opposition Journalist
Press freedom has again been trampled on in Turkey, as Merdan Yanardağ, the chief editor of Yurt newspaper, a paper known as being a major opponent of the ruling party of Turkey the AKP, has been arrested.


After being sentenced to 10 years and six months in the sentencing of the Ergenekon trial, chief editor of Yurt newspaper Merdan Yanardağ was detained by counter-terror units in Muğla, western Turkey on Friday night. Yanardağ was arrested by the Sentinel High Criminal Court and taken into prison, with an argument breaking out while Yanardag was being transferred to prison over the police demand to handcuff Yanardağ.
Yanardağ sent a message to his supporters through his lawyer Mustafa Ilker Gürkan, who represented him in the Ergenekon trial, where he declared “These days will pass. There will be no dictatorship and democracy will exist in the country. This country never obeys dictatorships, and we will never keep silent. We will continue to struggle and to defend freedom. No dictatorship lives forever.”

yet the most moral country in the world based on the most moral principles in the world .. supports this gang of savage cannibals and sub-humans.
paging Amanpour Christiane

Because the minute you are silent about the killing of innocents is the minute that you are part of the problem.

since you said this ^^

Egypt: Two Christians Murdered By Muslim Brotherhood Savages For Refusing To Pay Jizya To Islamists

(AINA) — Two Coptic Christians government employees were shot dead yesterday for refusing to pay Jizya, the Muslim poll tax on Christians. Emad Damian, 50, and his cousin Medhat Damian, 37, from the village of Sahel Selim in Assuit Province, were contacted two days before their murder by the leader of a Muslim gang, who was identified by Watany Coptic Newspaper as Ashraf Ahmed Mohammed Khalajah, a registered criminal from the village.

Accoring to Emad’s brother Dr. Samy Damian, Emad was contacted about 9:30 PM by a member of the gang, who demanded 10,000 Egyptian pounds so that he could buy weapons. “My brother said that he had no problems with anyone, does not require services from anyone, and does not have the money.”

In an interview on Al Nahar TV Channel on September 12, Ahmed Fawzi, secretary for the Egyptian Social Democratic Party, said the two murdered Copts, who were members of his political party, reported the matter to the police in Sahel Selim and asked for police protection, but the police did nothing.

“A couple of days later the gang surprised the two Copts by going to their home in the morning and showering them with bullets, leaving both dead,” Fawzi said. “The police know who the killers are but are doing nothing to arrest them.”

The districts of Sahel Selim and Ghanayem are the most unsafe areas in Assuit and their police stations were heavily shelled by the Muslim Brotherhood on August 14.

Meanwhile, the security situation remains tense in the village of Delga, Deir Mawas, 160 miles south of Cairo in Minya, where Muslim Brotherhood gangs completely control the village after the ouster of ex-president Morsy. They target the 20,000 Coptic inhabitants by imposing Jizya on them allegedly to “safeguard” them from acts of violence and vandalism to their homes and shops. Despite the arrival last week of a new director of security in the province, the scene is still grim for many.

Rev. Youannas Shawky, Pastor of the monastery of Our Lady and Saint Ephrem in Delga, which was completely destroyed on 3rd July by pro-Morsy supporters (AINA 7-6-2013), said the practice of collecting Jizya from Copts started after the departure of Morsy and continues to be imposed on all Copts in the village without exception, pointing out that the value of the tribute and methods of payment vary from one place to another within the village. The amount varies from 200-500 Egyptian pounds daily, which are exorbitant amounts to many villagers. Rev. Youannas estimates 50 families have left the village so far.

Many Egyptian activists have sounded the alarm on what is happening to Christians. In an open letter to the Egyptian provisional government prominent journalist Fatma Nahoot said “Where is the government, the Interior Minister and General al-Sisi on what is happening to the Copts in Minya, including harassment, murder, intimidation, displacement and imposing Jizya on them?”

http://patdollard.com/2013/09/egypt-two ... islamists/

[Austin]

Err was not Reagan later papa bush who were hand in glove with PRC in proliferation of Nukes to TSP

Not to mention they kept certifying that Pakistan did not have N weapons when the CIA knew in mid 80's that Pakistan had N weapons design from China and were working on it and they only put in Pressler Ammendment when Afghanistan war was done , effectively making Pakistan Nuclear Weapon State

They also refused to sanction China for M-11 transfer to Pakistan under higher category sanction but sanction India/Russia for transferring Cryo Engine which would be build to make ICBM

[habal]

the same muslim brotherhood in Libya.
helping minority-snuffing and sodomizing terrorists is a matter of great pride for this bunch ..
http://nsnbc.me/2013/09/15/libya-remain ... ons-syria/

Libyan FM Admits, Troops and Arms to Syria a Source of Pride

Christof Lehmann (nsnbc) , – Libya´s Foreign Minister, Mohamed Abdul-Aziz admitted, that a lot of Libyans are fighting within the ranks of the armed terrorist groups in Syria and that Libya remains a hub for weapons shipments to the insurgents. The post-coup Libyan Foreign Minister states, that “helping our brothers in Syria is a source of pride”.

An nsnbc article from April 2012 reported that a UN report, issued by the United Nations Security Council´s group of experts on monitoring an arms embargo imposed on Libya in 2011 stressed, that arms shipments which have been organized from various locations in Libya, including Misrata and Bengazi, and that the weapons were transferred to Syria via Turkey and Northern Lebanon.

In June and July 2012 a “Libyan Brigade” under the command of former al-Qaeda terrorist and since 2011 the commander of Tripoli´s Military Council, Abdelhakim Belhadj, contributed with a fighting force of more than 20.000 men in the attempt to conquer the city of Homs as seat for an interim Syrian government.

The Libyan al-Qaeda brigade, fighting under the banner of the Free Syrian Army, was assembled in the Jordanian border city al-Mafraq, where US special forces and the CIA continue to train and arm “rebels”.

Libya´s Foreign Minister, Mohamed Abdul-Aziz has recently admitted to the Russian TV channel Russia Today (RT), that “a lot of Libyans are fighting within the ranks of the armed terrorist groups in Syria”, saying:

“This is an undeniable fact…. A lot of Libyans volunteered to fight in Syria. .. There have been weapons transferred from Libya to Syria, whether directly or indirectly. .. The arms shipments were not only from Libya, but from elsewhere”.

Revealing the scope of the cooperation between the post-coup government of Libya and the armed terrorist groups in Syria, Abdul-Aziz boasted of his country´s “military assistance” to the armed terrorist groups, saying that:

“This is not only an accusation but a source of pride for us to help our brothers in Syria”.

The main contingent of Libyan insurgents in Syria are recruited through the al-Qaeda associated Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, which has metamorphosed into the Tripoli Military Council when NATO and GCC member state´s troops paved the way for insurgents in 2011, resulting in the overthrow and murder of Muammar Ghadafi.

An article published in February 2013 revealed, that the recruitment of terrorists for Syria in Libya is also being organized through Qatar´s Embassy in Tripoli. nsnbc international published in the report, an intercepted document which revealed cooperation between the embassy and Qatar´s Foreign Ministry.

In the document, which was classified as Top Secret, the embassy informs the Foreign Ministry, that the recruitment of 1800 mercenaries from Northern and Western African countries as well as their training was completed.

The embassy suggests, that the 1800 mercenaries should be shipped to Turkey in three groups, and that they should be deployed to Syria via Turkey. The document furthermore reveals that the combat training has taken place at sites in Zentan, Bengazi, Al-Zawiya and Misratah.

The Libyan Foreign Minister, publicly taking pride of the deployment of terrorists to Syria however, is the post-coup government´s first public admission to the fact, that Libya is one of the primary hubs for the continued flow of weapons and new troops to the terrorist groups in Syria.

[habal]

LOL

"The United Nations has launched an investigation into the 'suspicious' looking videos presented as "evidence" of a chemical weapons attack by Barack Obama, John Kerry (AKA Kohn), et al. This as a pretext for an unprovoked (and hence illegal) war against Syria. Though the so-called Syrian opposition (terrorist mercenaries) appear to have had a chemical accident of some sort in their underground tunnels, the photos and video presented of the supposed attack by the legitimate Syrian Army have been confirmed FAKE by the United Nations.

There is also incontravertable evidence presented here that Kerry (Kohn) and Obama DELIBERATELY AND KNOWINGLY presented fake evidence to Congress and to the American People. This a criminal act in support of war crimes."

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b80_1379221106

[habal]

Erdogan has indeed gassed his people

http://www.dailyhy.net/tear-gas-kills-a ... y-497h.htm

FSA failed ambush takes a terrible turn for the rebels ! Dead Jihadists everywhere!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5b4_1379253552

78 total amnesties granted to former rebels who have made a covenant with the regime not to carry weapons any longer. The scene below is from the city of Homs and portrays the rebels from Hasyaa and Jandar in Homs Governorate.



SAA has adapted itself to tactics of insurgents and thus are achieving more success with lesser casualties like IA in Kashmir.

According to sources, SAA, NDF and militia losses are decreasing markedly since last June. The ratio now in Homs of SAA to terrorists is 1-30. New techniques, equipment and better Intel has given the SAA a spectacular advantage over the vermin. According to intel reports, the Syrian High Command expects no increase in capabilities of the rat rebel army even if all American weapons arrived and were deployed by the FSA and J.N.

Heavy fighting is going on in Idlib, the district between Latakia and Aleppo and heavy fighting is also going on in Aleppo, quarters of Al-Rashideen, Al-Mansoora, Al-Ashraffiyya, Kuwayris & Al Nayrab airbase.

A rebel rat who stole a Filipino U.N. soldier's equipment is shot by SAA. As he slowly bleeds to death, his rat litter-mates repeat usual incantations designed to torture him further.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f4b_1379086730

[habal]

Heavy fighting going on in areas where rebels withdrew from Maloola.

Syrian forces kill 300-400 al-Nusra terrorists near Maaloula

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_09_1 ... oula-1745/

"Syrian regular forces are continuing an operation to force foreign back al-Qaeda affiliated al-Nusra terrorists from the Christian area of Syria, Maaloula, where the Monastery of Equal-to-the-Apostles St. Thekla (disciple of Apostle Paul) is located.

On Saturday, the Syrian army took the city under its control but terrorists continued to shell government forces from a gorge. Early on Sunday, about 100 gunmen made an attempt to get into a neighnouring village but were repelled by the government troops and killed. The rest of the militants tried to break out of the gorge from the other side, offering a battle to the government forces.

An Itar-Tass correspondent reported from the site that al-Nusra militants had knocked out a tank of the government forces. One of its crew members was killed, two others were taken to hospital in critical condition.

Syrian army helicopters periodically deliver air strikes at groups of militants. A fighter joined the operation in the evening.

A top-ranking Syrian army officer told Itar-Tass that the government forces on Sunday alone had killed from 300 to 400 terrorists. However, judging by the flow of ambulances rushing for the site of fighting, there are losses among the Syrian army as well.

The officer vowed that all the militants would be forced out of the city in a couple of days and journalists would be able to reach the Christian shrines in that city.

This week, Russian journalists made three attempts to get to the Monastery of Equal-to-the-Apostles St. Thekla but each time they had to retreat because of terrorist attacks."

[pankajs]

Syria: nearly half rebel fighters are jihadists or hardline Islamists, says IHS Jane's report

The new study by IHS Jane's, a defence consultancy, estimates there are around 10,000 jihadists - who would include foreign fighters - fighting for powerful factions linked to al-Qaeda..

Another 30,000 to 35,000 are hardline Islamists who share much of the outlook of the jihadists, but are focused purely on the Syrian war rather than a wider international struggle.

There are also at least a further 30,000 moderates belonging to groups that have an Islamic character, meaning only a small minority of the rebels are linked to secular or purely nationalist groups.

The stark assessment, to be published later this week, accords with the view of Western diplomats estimate that less than one third of the opposition forces are "palatable" to Britain, while American envoys put the figure even lower.

Charles Lister, author of the analysis, said: "The insurgency is now dominated by groups which have at least an Islamist viewpoint on the conflict. The idea that it is mostly secular groups leading the opposition is just not borne out."

<snip>

These competing visions have caused rancour which last week erupted into fighting between ISIL and two of the larger moderate rebel factions.

A statement posted online by Islamists announced the launch of an ISIL military offensive in the eastern district of Aleppo which it called "Cleansing Evil". "We will target regime collaborators, shabiha [pro-Assad militias], and those who blatantly attacked the Islamic state," it added, naming the Farouq and Nasr factions.

Al-Qaeda has assassinated several FSA rebel commanders in northern Latakia province in recent weeks, and locals say they fear this is part of a jihadist campaign to gain complete control of the territory.

[Austin]

That goes against US assessment where they mentioned only a Jihadist and AQ element are really small percentage of the fighter force fighting in Syria.

[rajanb]

September 12, 2013

McCain Accuses Obama of Thinking Before Using Force

Posted by Andy Borowitz

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Sen. John McCain (R-Arizona) was harshly critical today of President Obama’s nationally televised address about Syria this week, telling CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, “The President’s decision to think before attacking another country flies in the face of American foreign policy.”

“The United States of America has been involved in countless armed conflicts since this great nation was founded,” Mr. McCain said. “Many of those would never have happened if we’d stopped to think about them first. Sadly, the President seems not to have learned this lesson of history.”

Calling the President “an Ivy League law professor who never met a thought he didn’t like,” Mr. McCain said that he was urging Mr. Obama “to please take thinking off the table.”

“The stakes for America couldn’t be higher right now,” he said. “Our global reputation for rushing into war with no advance planning is hanging by a thread.”

Mr. McCain said that he is attempting to schedule a meeting in the Oval Office, where he plans to deliver a “strong and clear” message to Mr. Obama: “Mr. President, what you are doing is playing into the hands of the enemy. Thinking solves nothing.”

Meanwhile back in the Curry Pot

Curry Shocked to Be Taken Seriously

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Secretary of State John Kerry said today that he was “shocked and flabbergasted” that the Russians heeded his suggestion about Syria’s chemical weapons, telling reporters, “After four decades in public life, this is the first time someone has taken me seriously.”

“Whether as a senator, a Presidential candidate, or Secretary of State, I’ve devoted countless hours to thunderous and droning speeches that people have consistently tuned out,” he said. “So naturally, to be listened to all of a sudden came as something of a shock.”


But after the novelty of not being ignored wore off, Mr. Kerry said, the Russians’ assertion that he had said something worth paying attention to “seemed like a trick.”

“You mean to tell me that after decades of spewing mind-numbing rhetoric I all of a sudden blurted out an idea worth acting on?” he said. “It doesn’t pass the smell test.”

At the White House, spokesman Jay Carney welcomed the Russians’ engagement in the Syria crisis, but warned that “further actions based on John Kerry’s remarks will not be tolerated.”

“We ask the Russians to be constructive participants in this process,” he said. “And taking John Kerry seriously is a clear violation of international norms.”

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport

[Austin]

Arms order request from Damascus

http://www.scribd.com/doc/144517399/Syr ... ns-request

[habal]

some comments on Egypt:

"Although Mubarak was an ally of the west, he wasn’t enough of one. His refusal to send troops to the Iraq War infuriated the US. He was even too much nationalist for the west. I now am sure that the entire Arab Spring was nothing more than a western imperialist plot to install the Muslim Brotherhood and other extremists into all of the Arab governments to first destabilize them and then to destroy the nation states in order to give power to Israel."

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Mubarak also balked at supporting the zionist wars on Libya and Syria. Such disobedience in a vassal is intolerable to the Zionist/fascist right. Sisi has continued that policy by reversing Morsi's policies of support for the terrorists warring on Syria. Hopefully, Egypt will distance itself from the western fascists and get some well deserved independence from that gangster element, as you speculate

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I now am sure that the entire Arab Spring was nothing more than a western imperialist plot to install the Muslim Brotherhood and other extremists into all of the Arab governments to first destabilize them and then to destroy the nation states in order to give power to Israel. I think this Egyptian military action could be the nail in the coffin for the Arab Spring. The Egyptians got a one year taste of the muslim brotherhood and they vomited it out like a food poison. Gen. Sisi could be a new Nasser. It all depends on what the military does especially in the realm of economic development. If Egypt gets closer to Russia and the BRICS and gets financial loans from them to develop large projects a la Nasser’s Aswan Dam and basically gives the finger to the IMF, then Egypt will go in the right direction. I’m sure that the generals are looking with intense interest on the events in Syria and are probably very impressed with the commitment of Russia to support Assad. They are also looking with fascination at the array of advanced military hardware that Russia is showing off on their ships in the Mediterranean. The Syrian conflict is the turning point for not only the middle east but for the world. When it becomes obvious that Russia and Syria have beaten the US, Nato and Israel it will send shockwaves across the planet. You will see Egypt change military suppliers from the US to Russia and believe it or not you may see even Saudi Arabia get closer to Russia (after they have exiled the ape Bandar). So things are looking up compared to a year ago.

Russian FM Lavrov to meet with Egyptian counterpart in Moscow

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_09_1 ... scow-8743/

Sounds like relations between Egypt and Russia are about to improve...

[habal]

the Ghouta children were being killed slowly in front of camera by intravenous poison.

"these children are not victims of a chemical attack.

These are children that were kidnapped two weeks previous, in the beginning of August, in the Latakia region, 200 km away from the Ghouta.

They were taken while a jihadist attack on pro-Assas alaouit villagers. Most of the families were killed. Some survived. In the improvised cemeteries around Latakia were found over a thousand dead.

These children, of whom no one has heard about for two weeks, actually resurfaced on these videos.

Those of which the families were still alive recognized them, and these families pressed charges for assassination. If we don’t understand what kind of care is given to these children on these videos, it’s simply because they are not being treated.

They are being injected poison by intravenous, and being killed in front of the cameras."

http://www.voltairenet.org/article180221.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdF6aSnxhDs

[devesh]

that newyorker site is a satire space.

[Johann]

A few observations. I apologise if they repeat points already made, I haven't been able to follow the thread here closely.

- The Israelis are absolutely furious at Obama for appearing indecisive. They believe it weakens US threat of forces against Iran's enrichment programme, which is their number one strategic concern. There is increasing talk of unilateral Israeli action, which will in turn force some sort of symbolic gesture from the Americans. This is unfortunate given the fact that Rouhani does represent some hope of a negotiated settlement. This could drive an additional wedge between the EU and US, although not in a way that offers much benefit to anyone.

- The Russians absolutely would not have leaned on the Syrians (easy enough for them as the conventional weapons lifeline and UNSC cover) to join the CWC unless they were convinced that the US establishment was serious about hitting Syria. What was even more worrying for them is that McCain's condition for support to the White House was deepening and widening the strikes - Bashar knows as well as anyone just how difficult it would be to hold ground against the opposition while hunkering down against an air campaign. In the event of a US escalation Syria would have been lost to Russia for good. This agreement if anything improves the security of the regime from conventional attack, while deepening Moscow's power over Damascus and its involvement on the ground. Moscow will have to see whether it really wants to drink from such a poisoned chalice.

- The outcome will not relieve the suffering of the Syrian people, but its still something that people all around the world should be grateful for. Syria's CW stores are very considerable, and the war is nowhere near ending. Removing CWs reduces jihadi access, and that is a good thing for everyone outside Syria. That is the one thing that the US and Russian governments can really agree on, besides the shared fear of the conflict going out of control of either of their hands.

- based on past experience Jabhat al-Nusra and AQIM were fairly convinced the planned strikes were aimed at them as well as Assad. They dispersed and hunkered down, which is one of the reasons that Assad's forces are now on the offensive - having a better line to US-Russian diplomacy they were able to take the risk of coming out of cover and re-deploying first and taking the initiative. Its quite likely that we will see the jihadists attacking UN and the soon to arrive Russian targets intensely and indiscriminately. These attacks will probably make verification and disarmament both highly dangerous and slow - delays and ambiguities will almost certainly be interpreted by some of the hawks in the US as Assad's delaying tactics. The drumbeat of war will not fully retreat, and all sides (including Russia) will find that both useful and challenging to manage.

[habal]

the oval office ..
which during Bill Clinton's time had become the salacious 'oral orifice'
under Obama is just an 'awful office'.

OVAL OFFICE HAS BECOME AWFUL OFFICE
Exclusive: Joseph Farah blasts 'wag-the-dog war effort to distract America'

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/oval-office- ... Y3gfJgh.99

Back when Bill Clinton occupied the White House, Rush Limbaugh dubbed the serial womanizer’s digs “the Oral Orifice.”

Under Barack Obama it’s worse. It has truly become “the Awful Office.”

Decisions are made there that are truly evil in their intent and their effect.

Take his proposed itsy-bitsy war on Syria, for instance.

What was this all about?

It was about doing the bidding of Saudi Arabia. It was about turning the U.S. military into the regional police force of unscrupulous Wahhabi oil sheikhs who have the money but not the guts to do their own fighting.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/oval-office- ... Y3gfJgh.99

[habal]

some western interests are trying to spin the victories of SAA in the war on Syria as an outcome of the threat of air strikes by warmongers. While there is always a threat of air strikes, it's not the warmongers who are worrying the Islamic State of the Iraq and Levant and McCain's buddies the Al-Qaeda aka Al-Ciaida. There are more significant events changing ground realities in Syria.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/09/sy ... gents.html

The Syrian Military Council will do its best to derail [the chemical weapons deal]. But it will soon be out of political support and out of money. Meanwhile the local SMC forces are fighting al-Qaeda aligned groups. It could well be that some of the local Syrian insurgency groups will soon join government forces in attacking the Jihadis.

some tweets

Today Hassan Hassan, the deputy opinion editor of The National newspaper from the United Arab Emirates and a promoter of the insurgents tweeted this:
Hassan Hassan حسن ‏@hhassan140
Video of the regime's bombing of Abu Kamal - why is the regime back to Abu Kamal after it left in November last year? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VDhw95q34Q
Hassan Hassan حسن ‏@hhassan140
Smoke after the regime attacks the city of Abu Kamal youtube.com/watch?v=zphJvr

My interpretation based solely on the above is that the Syrian government, "the regime", has joined the local insurgents in their fight against al-Qaeda elements. After al-Qaeda declared war against the local SMC supported insurgents fighting started in Abu Kamal and elsewhere. The government currently has no troops in or approaching Abu Kamal but is bombing there today. The only plausible explanation seems to be that the Syrian government gives air-support to some local insurgents.

the SAA seems to be giving air support to some select group of rebels.
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Yesterday, September 14, fighting between SMC associated forces and al-Qaeda groups was reported to take place in several places including one logistically important town on the border to Iraq:
On Saturday night, deadly clashes in al-Bu Kamal erupted between ISIL and the Allahu Akbar Brigade, an opposition group credited with the capture of the city from Assad forces in November 2012 and which also operates under the Supreme Military Council.

[RamaY]

It was about doing the bidding of Saudi Arabia. It was about turning the U.S. military into the regional police force of unscrupulous Wahhabi oil sheikhs who have the money but not the guts to do their own fighting.

I brotest!

The resident expert, Al-Bin-Sourci told us that GCC has the 2nd best army in the world and it has decided to make (sic) Secular India and superpower.

And my 8th Ayesha, thrice left, told me that if anyone threatens Muslims, GCC will invade Bharat.

What should I worry about? John Curry or GCC Airforce or Karachi Chana?

[habal]

Even Obama wants to be made into Super-power Man as promised by Bandar. But it is only reasonable that first Bandar should promise himself to be turned into human from Bandar before he promises everybody else to help them become Superman or Superpower.

Even Egypt has wizened up and got wind of Bandar's claims and evil intentions of the warmongers.

Egypt rejects IMF and Indicated Historical Realignment

Egypt has rejected that it is seeking an IMF loan and states that the North African nation is facing an international plot. Analysts expect a historical political realignment of Egypt, unseen since the country realigned itself, away from the Soviet Union and towards the USA in the early 1970s.

A growing number of international experts and analysts agree that Egypt is in the process of a historical, political, geopolitical and military reorientation towards the BRICS countries, and that Egypt is seeking to assume a position, comparable to the one it had during the period prior to Egypt´s orientation towards the USA and away from an alliance with the Soviet Union during the early 1970s.

http://nsnbc.me/2013/09/16/egypt-reject ... onal-plot/

Many analysts, consider Egypt´s current policy as a political and strategic realignment, away from US hegemony, and towards BRICS membership and closer relations to Russia, with a more independent regional foreign policy.

[Johann]

Egypt's need for economic and military assistance in its post-British era has been consistently enormous between the corruption and the demands of a poor and fast growing population right next to the heart of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Nasser from 1952 to 1956 relied on US aid until the conflict with Israel made that impossible in the context of the Cold War. Thats when he (reluctantly) switched to the communist bloc - first for weapons to confront Israel, and then for economic aid when the Americans cut him off for buying Soviet weapons.

Sadat switched back in the 1970s on the very pragmatic basis that US support would get Egypt back the Sinai Peninsula from the Israelis (which it did), and that communist economic aid would be less than Gulf petrodollar investments and IMF aid (which it was).

Who is able and willing to bankroll Egypt? Not Russia, not Iran, not China. Not even all three pulling together, which they rarely ever do.

Its only the Gulf states. They desperately need Egypt as their Sunni Arab rentacop, and Egypt desperately needs their cash.

The Americans are a distant second, paying money to make sure Israel and Egypt don't go to war and cause another oil crisis like 1973. The added benefit is that they get Egyptian intelligence as a freebie, and reliable access to the Suez Canal.

[habal]

The war monger is still out on the prowl, unshackled, unchained trying to scare children, wayfarers and passersby by making wierd, scary and ugly faces.

Barack Obama warns Iran that US is still prepared to take military action

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/s ... ary-action

[habal]

Wow ! China is not able to Bankroll Egypt. Wonder why ? It wants to be part of BRIC and wants internal stabillity and not be used for some weird projects like 'recolonization of Africa', 'New World of Rothschild'. Saudis or Qatar won't let Egypt starve, or fall off the map, for the rest they can use BRIC. They are old players and know anglo perfidy quite well.

Coming back to China, it's bankrolling greatest debtor in the world, whom Bandar has promised to take out of debt and remake into GCC hyperpowa

Only condition is that when Bandar says 'sit', hyperpowa will sit and when Bandar says 'stand' hyperpowa will send their warships into the 'region' just like Bandar dispatches a shaving blade into his short and curlies, which could literally be anywhere on his body, not any specific region, mind you.

When Bandar says 'attack' the ships of the Hyperpowa will automatically attack all 'Shia' controlled states.

[Johann]

Habal,

American consumer demand helps drive the Chinese economy. Buying American debt helps keep that going, and US Treasury Bonds are a reliable investment.

Africa provides the raw materials and the energy resources that keep Chinese factories going, producing the jobs and the revenue China needs to keep growing.

The Chinese are conservative when it comes to investing in countries that don't offer a good financial return.

The scale of Gulf FDI in Egypt run in to the billions every year. China has shown no interest in putting that kind of money in Egypt.

[habal]

But Egyptian Army has taken a stance contrary to US interests in the region.

They have after due deliberation, and weighing all pros and cons, decided that it is not in the best interest of Egypt to be part of Obama's war-mongerer and 'let's destabilize YOU' camp.

Understandable, isn't it.

Would you like to be part of a country where western-sponsored Muslim Brotherhood carries out it's weird sociological experiments like imposing sharia and jiziya, beheading coptics and other minorities.

Now don't start spinning away that Muslim brotherhood is Qatar's baby etc.

Would you like to be in a country, which is relatively poor yet stable OR is relatively middle-income one but has to ignore and indirectly support subversive activities of all manner and jihadi terrorist groups being prepared for various conflict zones in the middle-east.

[rajanb]

that newyorker site is a satire space.

Yes I know Devesh. And at times satirists can put things into a very sharp perspective.

[habal]

you know the world is truly screwed, when satirists are the only ones presenting an accurate perspective.

& 'nobel 'peace' prize-winners' are changing laws to protect & promote terrorists.

http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-w ... le/2535885

and liars who are appointed by other liars to lie have to be removed by more lies

Embattled o'bagy tries a mea culpa. Was never in phd program, nevermind in process of getting one. lol

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... ogram.html

[rajanb]

^^^^
Habalji. You are the one who introduced me to the Onion> Thanks for that. What followed was scouring Google for more satire. And I was so astounded when I realised, in my POV, that the satire was the truth, in my opinion!

[habal]

Sir, we live in a world whose the keys have been handed over to the war-criminals. Satire drives home the point, yet is easy on the heart.

If you read something like the below and have a BP monitor connected, then you may even blow it to pieces.

"It was basically a snuff film", that seems to be the verdict on the videos presented as evidence on youtube by the rats. It was a snuff film where the children were being lethally injected. You saw a few bearded guys standing around holding 'drip bottles' were actually killing those kids through lethal injection.

Kerry the Liar including western intelligence agencies, who knew what was happening all along, and were using those clips for propaganda are sub-human slime who need to be exposed at the earliest.

Syrian children lethally injected before cameras for war propaganda videos

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_09_1 ... deos-4420/

"Next thing is that if the videos are looked at closely, it becomes obvious some of them have been recorded prior to the attack. On YouTube, some of them were indeed posted on August 20th, which might have happened on the eve of the massacre, but not necessarily, if taking into account the time change of 9 hours between Syria and California, where the Youtube server is. What is clear, it is that the scenes outside are filmed during the time where the sun is at its highest. So, it was filmed around noon and can’t possibly have been recorded before that date, but these, again, are unproven facts.

The videos mostly portray children and men agonizing after the attack, but as far as women are concerned there are only two among the entire 1429 alleged victims. Obviously, it is a very arguable fact that the gas spared women of its deadliness.

One of the first things that strikes is that none of these children are supervised, which appears quite odd, because in the Middle East a person is never left unattended, children even more so.

But these children are without parents, later ending up in the care of people who is presented as medics, but it is hard to deduce what exactly the staff is doing. As a result, Meyssan concludes, that the children were not victims of a chemical attack, but the ones kidnapped two weeks before, in the beginning of August, in the Latakia region, 200 km away from the Ghouta.

They were taken during a jihadist attack on pro-Assad villagers. Most of the families were killed, and improvised cemeteries around Latakia saw over a thousand dead. These children, of whom no one has heard for two weeks, actually resurfaced on these videos. Several of the survived parents recognized their children on the videos and pressed charges for assassination. In reality, the children are not being treated, on the contrary, they are being injected poison and killed in front of the cameras.

The US, Britain and France claimed that the victims were gassed by sarin, which fact had been proved in their laboratories, but the UN experts who had also visited the site and taken samples, needed about ten days to make a final conclusion, this fact suggesting that the countries under discussion have a secret super-quick way of data processing, the one that’s unknown to the UN experts and the rest of the world."

[rajanb]

^^^^
I have read this. And find my solace in humour. Humour which does define the arrogance, stupidity and dastardliness of those who think that their super power status gives them the right to dressing their inhumanity with righteousness.

I am glad Putin stood up, and I hope our polity has the courage to do the same.

[Garooda]

Refusal_To_Sign_Non_Disclosure

A CIA employee who refused to sign a non-disclosure agreement barring him from discussing the Sept. 11, 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya, has been suspended as a result and forced to hire legal counsel, according to a top House lawmaker.

Rep. Frank Wolf (R., Va.) revealed at an event on Monday that his office was anonymously informed about the CIA employee, who is purportedly facing an internal backlash after refusing to sign a legal document barring him from publicly or privately discussing events surrounding the Benghazi attack.

The revelation comes about a month after several media outlets reported that CIA employees with knowledge of the terror attack had been forced to sign non-disclosure agreements (NDA) and submit to regular polygraph tests.

“The reports on the NDA are accurate. We’re getting people who call,” Wolf said Monday during an event marking the launch of the Citizens’ Commission on Benghazi, a panel of former military and intelligence officials who are investigating unanswered questions surrounding the Benghazi incident.

Wolf’s office first received the anonymous call earlier in the summer, soon after CNN and Fox News reported on the NDAs and polygraph tests.

The caller told Wolf’s staff that an unnamed CIA employee has been suspended after refusing to sign a Benghazi-related NDA.

“My office received a call from a man saying that he knew a CIA employee who has retained legal counsel because he has refused to sign an additional NDA regarding the Sept. 11, 2012, events in Benghazi,” Wolf said in Sept. 9 remarks at a panel discussion hosted by Judicial Watch.

“I called the law firm and spoke with CIA employee’s attorney who confirmed that her client is having an issue with the agency and the firm is trying to address it,” Wolf said. “Based on my past experiences with the CIA, which is headquartered in my congressional district, I am not at all confident that these efforts will be successful.”

The NDA agreements are meant to instill fear in employees and stop them from speaking “to the media or Congress,” Wolf said on Monday.

The CIA declined to comment directly on Wolf’s charges, but forwarded the Washington Free Beacon a letter sent to Congress from CIA Director John Brennan in which he denies charges that the agency has forced employees to sign NDAs and submit to polygraph tests.

“I want to assure you that I will not tolerate any effort to prevent our intelligence oversight committee from doing their jobs,” Brennan hand wrote at the bottom of the letter.

The CIA reiterated its denial in a Tuesday call to a Free Beacon reporter, calling Wolf’s allegations “categorically false.”

Monday’s Benghazi discussion came on the same day that House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R., Calif.) released a report detailing multiple shortcomings in the State Department’s internal investigation into failures related to the Benghazi attack.

Issa says that the State Department “obstructed” congressional investigators, was “not comprehensive” in nature, “did not conduct thorough interviews,” and that more senior officials were not held to account.

“The ARB was not fully independent,” Issa said in a statement. “The panel did not exhaustively examine failures and it has led to an unacceptable lack of accountability.”

“While Ambassador [Thomas] Pickering and Admiral [Michael] Mullen have honorably served their country, the families of victims and the American people continue to wait for more conclusive answers about how our government left our own personnel so vulnerable and alone the night of the attack,” Issa said.

The newly formed Citizens’ Commission on Benghazi has similar goals as congressional investigators but is not confined by rules governing the legislative body, speakers at the event said.

Retired Air Force Col. Richard Brauer, cofounder of the group Special Operations Speaks, said the committee would aim to find out why U.S. military assets were ordered to “stand down” during the Benghazi attack.

“We’re tired of the lies and the cover-up that continues to this day,” Brauer said. “Who gave the order” to stand down, “to remain in place in Tripoli and the other locations and do nothing. When was this order given and why?”

“Forces were available on that very night, likely champing at the bit, but they were told to stand down,” he said. “These are words that will live in infamy.”

[habal]

War Crimes committed on minorities by Kerry+McCain's Al-Ciaida rebels.

Are not Amanpour and Obama outraged over this incident. If not, where is their bloody outrage now ? Where are those stone-silent CNN shills who constantly pang for war.. Where is Senator Graham ..

2 Alawite men killed because of their faith.

" al-Raqqa province: ISIS fighters executed 2 men in the al-Na'im square of al-Raqqa city because the 2 men were A'lwai muslims. ISIS fighters called them Nusayri apostates and regime infiltrators. 1 of the woman protested during the execution, ISIS fighters replied that they are "Nusayri apostates who have raped our women", the woman responded "You are the apostates and we are all Syrians".

The ISIS executed 3 men in one of al-Raqqa's squares on the 14th of May under accusations they are regime soldiers and officers. It later turned out that 2 of them were Muslim A'lawis from the al-Achrafiya village of northern Reef Homs (a doctor called Mustafa al-Jani and his nephew, a school teacher, called Iyad Nofal), based on what activists from Homs city stated to the Observatory back them. "

https://www.facebook.com/syriaohr

[TSJones]

There is nothing sacrosanct about a bloody dictator's regime. Vlad can send all the help he wants but that doesn't necessarily tie the US's hands.

At first I was against any involvment in Syria but now I can see that Vlad's personal prestige is on the line here and I trust him about as far as I can throw him.

But here is my assessment of the situation:

1. The US is rapidly neutralizing the Assad's chemical warfare threat through threats, diplomacy, and anti-chemical warfare medical kits and mitigating techniques.

2. The US is in the process of perfecting the logistical system for the opposition. Considering the complexity and makeup of the opposition, the US has its work cut out for it. It won't be easy due to the multi-headed hydra the opposition currently is.

3. Saudia Arabia and other Gulf State's actors will bank roll the acquistion of russian and chinese anti-tank weapons and anti-aircraft manpads. This won't stop russian supplied Syrian artilliary but it's a start.

Finally, the Iranian government and Vlad will work hand in hand in hand in supplying Syria with what it needs. This is going to be a long, bloody process.

Prognosis? Syria is going to be a divided country for a while.