Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[partha]

During KA assembly polls, there was a buzz that BJP would field Anil Kumble from one of the Bangalore South assembly constituencies. That didn't happen. Now the same rumor has been going around for Loksabha polls. BJP might field him from Bangalore South. I for one will be happy to see Anant Kumar not getting a ticket. His vote share has been decreasing with every poll (deserves it) and he does not stand a chance this time if Nilekani is fielded by Congress from B'lore South. Anil Kumble will be a better bet against Nilekani.

[KJo]

Thus, it's equally important for team Modi to add as many star faces as possible in the campaign with Modi, if not BJP per se. Col. Rajvardhan Rathore is a good start but more stars are needed to attract more voters. Sure, NaMo is a star in himself, but people of India do put greater faith in Bollywood & Cricket celebrities, and it's possible that by taking two biggest stars from these respective fields CongI is able to dent the votes meant for NaMo. THerefore, I'm guessing celebs like Aamir Khan, Akshay Kumar, Virat Kohli or maybe some veteran cricket star, Baichung Bhutia (for NE states), Rajnikanth, heck I think even Kapil from Comedy Nights will be able to sway many North Indian votes (Navjot Sidhu is already a guest on his show). Thus, a potent mix of national & regional star power will act as boosters to the rocket ship of NaMo onlee.

The danger of this is turning the NaMo campaign into a nautanki like the Congress is doing. NaMo should run on serious issues and getting fluff people to campaign might go against him.

[Rudradev]

X-Posting. For this presents "Contrasting Ideas of India" part of the thread title.

There's a lot of speculation about an INC-BSP alliance with Mayawati as UPA3 PM candidate.

This is not going to happen, mainly because the Maya-INC power equation rotates around the fulcrum of CBI blackmail.

Let's face it, CBI has investigation documents that could embarrass and politically destroy almost anybody in Indian politics today. Apart from the CBI's official files, you can be sure that individual CBI officers have also amassed such documents privately, perhaps as a last-ditch "insurance" in case their political masters decide to sell them out.

Right now the see-saw is tilted in the INC's favour because they are in power. All CBI investigation documents that would embarrass the INC are neatly buried, while those that target Maya are held over her head to make sure she behaves.

With Maya as PM the see-saw would reverse completely. Maya would have the power to bury the evidence against her own party, and would surely unearth all the existing evidence against the INC to hold over their heads. This is likely to be a mountain, compared to the boulder that INC currently holds over Maya's head.

The Termite Queen and her acolytes would never, ever allow such a situation to arise. And the thing is, they might never need to... because in fact, Maya, Mulayam, Nitish, Laloo and everyone else fear Modi much more than they resent CBI-blackmail by the INC. CBI blackmail can be negotiated, you see. Modi coming into power, however, would be a game-changer of unprecedented proportions. For Modi to become PM at all, the entire textbook of political calculus that ALL present-day formations rely on...the vote-bank formulas of KHAM, MAJGAR etc. etc. being part and parcel of it... would have to be burned to ashes by the Indian electorate. Only if Indian citizens at large decide that Modi as PM is more important to them than voting along traditional caste and community lines, does Modi have any hope of becoming PM. Such behaviour by the Indian voter, however, severely damages the INC's strategic positioning by undermining its most basic divide-and-rule assumptions; it also completely, and I mean COMPLETELY negates the very basis for people like Mulayam, Nitish, Laloo and Mayawati to have ANY political presence whatsoever.

The rise of Modi very simply means the end of Shah Bano/Mandal/Kancha Ilaiah politics (note how the attempt by Congis to foist caste-based politics via Keshubhai Patel's faction failed miserably in Gujarat state elections last year.)

Mayawati and all others will oppose this by making any compromise necessary with the INC, because it is like death staring them in the face. I think Mayawati, Mulayam, Nitish, Mamta and whoever else will all go willingly with INC... no need for PM position or any such inducement... to save themselves from the fate that would be inevitable under a transformative NaMo PM-ship.

YamaR garu, thanks. I think you have described the same thing more succinctly before, when you said that NaMo is basically Yamadoot for the C-System itself. ALL potential allies of either INC or BJP are as much part of the C-System as the INC itself... in fact, they are even more invested in it, because they are 100% puppets of its whims and fancies whereas the Congress itself may still have some degree of control over it.

The old BJP was willing to play the game by C-System rules; this is why they lost in 2004 and 2009, and would have lost in 2014 under LKA's leadership. NaMo will not be willing. Hence, he will have no allies, and in fact he should accept no allies on the strength of promises that reinforce the kind of patronage fueling the C-System.

For the INC as much as its allies, 2014 election is not about losing one term of PM-ship to some opposition party. It's about fighting off the kind of change that would make them unelectable ever again.

[member_27444]

I did not want to go there but Yama incarnate who reports to Rudra, you guys are absolutely on dot.

One party is one extreme the other extreme to profess BS but have their own system

[SwamyG]

Going by the Gujrat example we shouldn't rule out congress-media game. In my opinion congress is the biggest gainer in this entire mess and SP is the biggest looser.

+108.
The only problem for INC is that the plan might backfire, and more votes go to BJP. Maybe it is ready to give BJP a few extra seats if it can cement a higher number of seats for itself.

[SaiK]

<Yama incarnate who reports to Rudra>

[RamaY]

The old BJP was willing to play the game by C-System rules; this is why they lost in 2004 and 2009, and would have lost in 2014 under LKA's leadership. NaMo will not be willing. Hence, he will have no allies, and in fact he should accept no allies on the strength of promises that reinforce the kind of patronage fueling the C-System.

This is so true.

One can forgive BJP for its mistakes, political failures and even its not-so-great performance as primary opposition. But what I cannot fathom is the SIKularization of BJP top leadership itself. I understand their need for political compromises to get into power so they can do some good than nothing. But I wonder if it is necessary when the whole nation and the environment is getting ready to make a Bharatiya shift.

This is like snatching civilizational defeat from the jaws of victory.

Perhaps I am missing something.

[ramana]

You are missing the dilli billi hold and the ganga jamini culture on Dilli Sarkar.

Had LKA been the PM instead of ABV it might have been different.

LKA imbibed the DB culture while he was in Opposition.

PVNR was not part of the culture and did a lot.
All others were part of DB or GJ culture.

[Hari Seldon]

Within days of namo's rewari maha-rally, activity stirs in Dilli over the contentious one rank-one pension issue...

AK Antony talks of a 'favorable response' from Govt on Armed forces pay issue

Co-incidence? Doubt if anyone other than manish tewari and rahul gandhi think so...

[Prem]

You are missing the dilli billi hold and the ganga jamini culture on Dilli Sarkar.

All others were part of DB or GJ culture.

The words out of these two is GJ culture. Dilli Billi still have few good things left , GJ is just a pure poison as of now.

[RamaY]

You are missing the dilli billi hold and the ganga jamini culture on Dilli Sarkar.

Do you mean this by the "Darbari system"? If so it could be totally correct. There are so many stories about this system where the Darbari self-interests build a large gap between the ruler and ruled.

It goes much beyond Islamic culture. Even Kalidasa faced similar situation when he tries to visit Bhoja(?).

[RamaY]

Within days of namo's rewari maha-rally, activity stirs in Dilli over the contentious one rank-one pension issue...

AK Antony talks of a 'favorable response' from Govt on Armed forces pay issue

Co-incidence? Doubt if anyone other than manish tewari and rahul gandhi think so...

To understand this pls watch the uNDTV video I posted in previous page. In that the ex-service men's association president said it clearly. There are something like ~50 contonments and each one has nearly 1 Lakh votes.

And add Sri VKS's statements that went like, whoever takes care of this issue will get the votes and there is still time for people... And so on..

I was like damn it termites are going to make the move...

[member_27444]

The way to get on top of this is

" we (NaMo) spoke and the GOI and MOD woke up imagine when you vote for us what can be accomplished "

[Sushupti]

Yeddyurappa to Decide Future of KJP Tomorrow

http://indiawires.com/25962/news/nation ... -tomorrow/

[VinodTK]

B'day gift: BJP minority membership drive gets `good' response

Interesting slide show at bottom of the article

[RamaY]

B'day gift: BJP minority membership drive gets `good' response

Interesting slide show at bottom of the article

Yep interesting. The most interesting thing for me is him going to Keshubhai Patel on his birthday. It takes lot of self-confidence and humility to do such things.

[ramana]

Telugu Site;

http://telugu.oneindia.in/news/india/wi ... 22604.html

Will Rajnikanth support Modi?

[fanne]

Rajni has been a BJP Supporter for a very very long time!!

[muraliravi]

Rajni has been a BJP Supporter for a very very long time!!

fanne ji, he is quite opportunistic and can praise karunanidhi also at length if he needs producer money from kalanidhi maran. I would not trust him much. Next his political support to anyone does not mean much anymore in TN.

[RamaY]

^+1. No point pinning hopes on Rajani. Perhaps they can seek his endorsement for this one time.

[fanne]

Point taken on his ability to pull votes...but he has been BJP supporter for decades. That does not mean he does not have connections or dealings (as in film dealing or social dealing) with people from other parties. He is like say Navjod Sidhu, Now Sidhu also makes program with Shekhar Suman (cong candidate from Patna), or is seen with Ajhar (in fact played many matches under him), or does programs that have TSP citizens exposing their buffoonery, but none of that takes away the fact that he is a BJP man.

[Hari Seldon]

Lovely music vid in Samskritam and Hindi by mumbai based group cKordzz. Warms the dharmic jingo heart... recommended watch, folks.

[Sushupti]

This is certainly not the Modi style to assure Muslims. It's high time Modi convey to this Dillibilli that he should do away with his "Ganga-Jamuni" BS and learn some Dwarka style culture.

Days after Narendra Modi was named the BJP's 2014 prime ministerial candidate, senior party leader Arun Jaitley Tuesday sought to dispel the apprehensions of Muslims about the Gujarat chief minister saying that running the Central government is fundamentally different from running a state government.

"Between running a country and running a state, there is one fundamental difference. While running a country, you have many senior leaders with you in government. You can also probably have a government which could be a coalition government. In all probability, it will be a coalition government. And therefore, you are sharing power with coalition parties to coordinate factors," Jaitley said during an Idea Exchange interaction at The Indian Express.

"In states, it is one-party government, so obviously the very nature of it is different in governance," the leader of opposition in the Rajya Sabha said in response to a query about Muslims being apprehensive about him becoming the PM if the NDA comes to power.

This message of assurance, Jaitley said, is already being communicated in different ways and exhorted Muslims to judge Modi on the basis of his "larger overall performance" in Gujarat since 2002.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/runni ... B/1170584/

[Rudradev]

This is so true.

One can forgive BJP for its mistakes, political failures and even its not-so-great performance as primary opposition. But what I cannot fathom is the SIKularization of BJP top leadership itself. I understand their need for political compromises to get into power so they can do some good than nothing. But I wonder if it is necessary when the whole nation and the environment is getting ready to make a Bharatiya shift.

This is like snatching civilizational defeat from the jaws of victory.

Perhaps I am missing something.

RamaY ji,

This is how the communal framework of India (and I mean "communal" in the original sense, not the NDTV ba$tardized sense of the term) breaks down for me:

For about 80% of the population of India, of all religions, coexistence is governed by an evolved commensalism whereby fairly firm lines of segregation are drawn between religious groups, and yet in any given locality, a commonality of social and economic interest prevent such segregation by and large from transitioning into a chronic, dysfunctional hostility of any sort. It's a question of Hindu is Hindu and Abrahamic is Abrahamic, and plenty the twain shall meet, but never the twain shall eat (together!)

What is never acknowledged by the "Secular" brigade (it is only the other 20% of Indians who ever think in terms of "secularism" by the way) is that the foundational basis for this coexistence and overall communal harmony, among that 80% of our population, is-- and has always been-- Hinduism onlee.

The harmony is only possible because all of those 80% of Indian people, regardless of their religious identity, play by the rules set by Sanatan Dharma when it comes to maintaining a society and an economy. In effect, the Abrahamics and Dharmics are endogamous jaatis who function within the overall framework of varnashrama, and fulfill their arthic roles with harmonious reliance on each others' output and consumption; they maintain their own religious identities as simply one aspect of a larger identity whose parameters are defined, like it or not, by Hinduism.

It is solely and only the Hindu sense of neeti, of maryaada, and of what Rajiv Malhotra calls "Mutual Respect", that makes this possible and sustainable over many centuries. It has nothing whatsoever to do with "Secularism", the imported Western concept. Yet somehow the "Secularists" among the remaining 20% of Indians have stolen the credit for this innately Dharmic sense of Mutual Respect. They have done so by redifining it as this curious notion, the "Idea of India", which they see in terms as deracinated as they themselves are. To them it is, somehow, Western Secularism that has been responsible for the coexistence of the other 80% of Indians across religious lines; and conscious Hinduism is demonized as the antithesis of coexistence, according to their narrative.

Of course, there is ample proof that Hinduism is the bedrock that makes this "Idea of India" possible and functional for 80% of the population of India. That population, after all, is at least 80% Hindu. What happened wherever the equivalent population (in terms of social standing, Western "education" and economic capacity) was majority non-Hindu? Pakistan/Bangladesh happened. Again I thank Jinnah for ensuring that it didn't happen in our country.

It is worth noting here that this 80% of India's population is the ultimate prize for all of Bharat's enemies, and the most treasured asset that Dharmics must preserve at any cost. That's because this 80% has no time for Secularism at ALL. They are firmly whatever they are. Right now most of them are Hindus, Hindu Muslims and Hindu Christians. The Islamists are building Madrassas from Murdeshwara to Murshidabad, deep in the countryside, and trying to make these people Muslim Muslims. Those who do become Muslim Muslims turn into total jihadis, with no regard for anything but Quran and Mullahs' injunctions. They do NOT become "secular Indian Muslims"... they become jihadis.

Likewise, the Missionaries are spreading their tentacles everywhere, constantly trying to de-Hinduize the Adivasis and make them into Christian Christians. For those who become Christian Christians, the idea of taking up the gun for Christ, and destroying the state/society/economy which nurtured them all along, follows almost instantly. The Maoists, likewise, are doing their best to deracinate and alienate people from this core 80% population and turn them against the very systems that anchor them to Bharata. Whenever it happens, the transformation is immediately poisonous... the people who convert do not become Secular, they become virulently anti-Hindu and anti-Bharata. This is yet more proof that the concept of "Secularism" is as vacuous as thin air, as irrelevant as rubber tyres to a fish, for this 80% of the population of India. It does not represent any sort of middle-ground at all: either the people of this population are harmonious within a Hindu framework, or they are anti-Indian to the core.

But anyway, coming at last to your question: it is only the remaining 20% (and I'm being generous here) of Indians who are increasingly Westernized to one or other level, the degree of Westernization often correlating with the degree of economic prosperity that affords Western education. It is only this 20% that debates things like "Secularism." It is just one sub-section of this 20% who are so persistently colonized that they credit the Western notion of Secularism, rather than Hinduism, for the multi-religious and pluralistic character of India.

The problem with the leaders of the BJP is simple. When LKA was a young man working with Dr. Shyama Prasad Mookherjee to organize his Kashmir yatra, he did not think in terms of "endangering the Secular fabric." When he rode the rath to Ayodhya, he did not think twice of the impact on "Secularism"... he knew fully well, in his bones, at the gut instinct level, that the vast mass of Indians get along with each other based on a 100% Hindu framework that is completely unaffected by Secularism.

It is only after he became entrenched in Lutyens Delhi, in the kabab-scotch-and-polo circles, that he became seduced into thinking in terms of Secularism. Seduced by his bright new English-speaking chelas like Sudheendra Kulkarni-- so much more impressive than crass old Rajju Bhaiyya! Seduced by the respect he suddenly commanded from suave, English-speaking gentlemen like Arun Jaitley and Jaswant Singh. Seduced by the purely colonized mindset of his own children, growing up in the English-medium world of St. Stephens and social science blogging.

Can you imagine what it must have been like. Finally, acceptance! The poor old man was born in the days when "blacks and dogs" could not enter certain areas of his own town. Then, throughout his years of service he was treated with shirty derision by the Brown Sahibs of Nehru's ilk, by the supercilious media-wallahs of Prannoy Roy's generation, by the neighbours and civil servants and his children's schoolteachers and doctors and just about everyone else of a "certain class" he met in the glorious Diwan E Khas of Lutyen's Delhi. At long last, after he LOST the 2004 election and started making "statesmanlike" assertions about Jinnah's "Secularism", these gilded doors were finally beginning to open for him.

So he took the shovel of secularism and began to dig. The hole he dug could have been the end of hope for Bharatiyata, had Narendra Modi not come along and taken away the reins. Instead, it is just the grave of his political career.

[RamaY]

The debate has started within Indian Muslim community, kudos to NM.

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bu ... eet/290994

Watch first 20 min.

Statutory warning: watching Burkhadutt and uNDTV is injurious to health.

[muraliravi]

Over 38 MP's connected with BJP likely in UP

http://www.jagran.com/news/national-ove ... 33347.html

अस्सी लोकसभा सीटों वाले राज्य के अड़तीस वर्तमान सांसद भाजपा के संपर्क में हैं और उसके टिकट पर चुनाव लड़ना चाहते हैं

[Arjun]

Days after Narendra Modi was named the BJP's 2014 prime ministerial candidate, senior party leader Arun Jaitley Tuesday sought to dispel the apprehensions of Muslims about the Gujarat chief minister saying that running the Central government is fundamentally different from running a state government.

Nothing wrong with what Jaitley said at all. He was responding to a person who said Muslims have certain 'apprehensions' about Namo PM...how exactly would you have Jaitley respond ?!

Modi has a particular style which suits him and his position as the PM candidate - but that doesn't mean the same style of response is the recommended one for everyone in the party !

[RamaY]

Thanks Rudradev garu. It is very intuitional and thought provoking response.

[Sushupti]

Days after Narendra Modi was named the BJP's 2014 prime ministerial candidate, senior party leader Arun Jaitley Tuesday sought to dispel the apprehensions of Muslims about the Gujarat chief minister saying that running the Central government is fundamentally different from running a state government.

Nothing wrong with what Jaitley said at all. He was responding to a person who said Muslims have certain 'apprehensions' about Namo PM...how exactly would you have Jaitley respond ?!

Modi has a particular style which suits him and his position as the PM candidate - but that doesn't mean the same style of response is the recommended one for everyone in the party !

He is almost snipping at Modi by reassuring through the presence of senior leaders around Modi.

[Sanku]

At long last, after he LOST the 2004 election and started making "statesmanlike" assertions about Jinnah's "Secularism", these gilded doors were finally beginning to open for him.

Werent you calling the moratorium on discussion on Advani? But since you have broken it, let me give you alternate view on things.

Saying that Advani became secular for personal gains and what not is about as accurate as saying the Peshawa and Marathas became Islam pasand and a Mughal vassal when they agreed to work with Mughals in Delhi at the cost of Surajmal Jat.

Mistakes have been made, but let us be clear what the real picture here is.

Decisions which are taken for real politic and such should be viewed in that prism, and as far as compromises are concerned, in my view NaMo has made many compromises already. I have no intention of doing a breast beating exercise on them (such as Guj govt being made to agree that the encounter was fake etc) but I am firmly opposed to either pulling down people or putting up people based on less than full picture. Heck we all compromise to one end or the other. So holding up a stray example and bashing folks is not correct IMVHO.

[Singha]

didnt vinod dua let loose a tirade against pranoy roy on some blog about going back on a promise to do a program together? or was it against someone else?

lo and behold. I saw him on *ndtv* good times channel doing a cookery show in alwar or such...has bloated to thrice his old size and was going through plate after plate of nihari, mutton, naans, jalebis like food was about to be banned.

[Manish_Sharma]

Rajni has been a BJP Supporter for a very very long time!!

Both Rajni and Vinod Khanna were roped in BJP by Shatrughan Sinha.

[Prem]

Modi'coronation will be fulfilling 1/8th of BRF wishes. If his PMship lasts like his CMship then we will have half to 2/3 wishes done with.He will be first PM with whom Indian identify 900% percent. His coming also vouch for Vivekananda's prediction about Indian future surpassing past glory.

[SaiK]

Headlines Today Investigation report.. Sting operation exposes truth behind riots in Muzaffarnagar. Officers were instructed by Akhilesh Yadav govt. to take their time in stemming the riots

I would have been suspended, sent home if I had not agreed: UP cop

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/riot ... 10299.html

If Gujarat is now because of 2002, I would expect UP would be like Gujarat after 10 years from now. Modi should be calculating the AoA!

[Prem]

[youtube]rGIOBBeJgWc#t=297[/youtube]

[sum]

Superb satire. The last line nails it:

Congress leader issued show cause notice for sharing birthday with Modi

A Congress party leader from Rajasthan has been issued a show cause notice by the party high command to explain why he celebrates his birthday on the same day as Narendra Modi.

Abhishek Rai, the leader Congress leader who shares his birthday with Modi, has been given one week to explain, failing which he will be expelled from the party.

As per sources, Rahul Gandhi himself caught Abhishek cutting a cake during his visit to Baran, Rajasthan. When the Congress Vice President asked why he was cutting a cake on Narendra Modi’s birthday, Abhishek said that it was his birthday as well.
Rahul Gandhi

Rahul Gandhi warned party workers against following the footsteps of Narendra Modi

The explanation failed to satisfy Mr. Gandhi and he issued a show cause notice to Abhishek asking him to explain his actions in detail.

When Faking News contacted Abhishek for his reactions, he said, “Arey yaar, what can I do about my date of birth? I played no part in it, it was my father and mother’s doing. Maybe I will stop celebrating my birthday from next year if it hurts anybody’s sentiments.”

Sources claim that Abhishek plans to go to high command wearing a skullcap and sporting a tilak on the forehead while asking for an apology. However, experts are not convinced that it will work.

One political expert speaking to Faking News said, “Skullcaps and Tilaks are used to fool the masses, not the politicians.”

Experts suggest the beleaguered leader to try other options that are feasible and practical.

“Maybe he could bribe authorities and get his date of birth changed,” an expert suggested, “Or he should declare that he is unborn, as was done by this guy in this Faking News report.”

“Or here it a solution that will definitely work,” the expert added, “This leader should declare his parents as RSS workers, who gave him a bad date of birth.”

Sources confirm that the parents of Abhishek Rai were not RSS workers. In fact, they were committed Congress workers.

“His father was Narsimha Rai, a well known local Congress leader. But given his name, I think he’d soon be disowned to please the high command,” a source told Faking News.

[Virendra]

Rudradev ji,
Do you run a blog? If yes, I'd like to subscribe.

[Sanku]

Sanjeev Bhatt forged evidence to malign Gujarat govt: SIT

“Sanjeev Bhatt has claimed that he had alerted Chief Minister’s office of impending riots…through fax messeges, but during our investigation it was found that many of those messages were forged,” said advocate R S Jamuar, arguing before Metropolitan Magistrate B J Ganatra here.

Jamuar, contending that Bhatt was not a reliable witness, submitted some e-mail correspondence between Bhatt and Rahul Sharma, another IPS officer. In one of these, Bhatt sought information from Sharma on the location of former Minister of State for Home Haren Pandya on the evening of February 27, 2002.

“Bhatt, who has alleged that Modi instructed the police officials not to take any action against rioters, claims that Pandya attended that meeting (at Modi’s official residence) and he (Bhatt) was also present. If he was present in that meeting, then how come he was seeking information of Pandya’s location at that time,” Jamuar said.

[subhamoy.das]

NAMO is 63. So in the best case situation he can run the country for 15 years and by that time Rahul G will be in 60s and ripe to take on as the PM and undoe the 15 years of advance that NAMO would have done. So there is not much to celebrate unless NAMO grooms a true successor to fill his shoes.

[chetak]

NAMO is 63. So in the best case situation he can run the country for 15 years and by that time Rahul G will be in 60s and ripe to take on as the PM and undoe the 15 years of advance that NAMO would have done. So there is not much to celebrate unless NAMO grooms a true successor to fill his shoes.

cockroaches will not survive a 15 year NaMo administration onlee