Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 21 Sep 2013 20:43

Atri wrote:It is tactical necessity, Sushupti ji.. I think NaMo will have to take it. If they leave for good without trace, they should be allowed (at least those int he diwan-e-khas of the queen along with royal family).. they can be brought back once our chandragupta is stabilized in Patliputra and Amatya Rakshas (who did not/could not flee with nandas) swears unflinching allegiance to the emperor. But in short term, it would be wise decision and perhaps essential one.

My sashtang pranaam to devaguru..

Did he predict it? Although i won't be surprised.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 21 Sep 2013 20:44

I am unhappy about this congress shifting to bajaps. They have to be ordained and baptized. I doubt they can survive.. and I am sure they will continue on their kangrez agenda.

This is like kangrez introducing moles into bajaps. If they accept these transformations, I would like to reverse canvas for NAMO. Sorry, against my principles.

Now I am thinking why did I made a lasting impression with SHQ friends.. I made them believe, we have some clean administration coming up soon to desh.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 21 Sep 2013 21:04

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 21 Sep 2013 21:12

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 21 Sep 2013 21:28

Narayana Rao wrote:Not so fast sir. U can manipulate system only so for. They may want power. But people may not give them that.

I agree. History has shown, that even the most corrupt or evil will run their course and wane out.

Just stating the obvious, that everyone realizes, all the predictions, guesses, polls, NaMo-wave, anti-incumbency sentiments ityadi will have to be shelved during the elections. Will NaMo win? Only time WILL tell. The elections are going to be nastier than earlier elections, and hope the good guys win.

I say good vs evil, because the Indian electoral politics has transcended ideologies, values and policies. It is not like one party steps out and declares: "Central 5-year planning is better, socialistic welfare is paramount, we believe in no-war policy, we believe in nuclear energy, we believe in reservations for minorities, we believe in oil-independence.....ityadi". These can be agreed or disagreed; however in India elections are still won using caste, sub-caste, religion and smearing of the opponents. Again these can be handled. However, if a party uses the major media outlets, and systematically seeks to demolish its main opponent using unfair means - then it becomes evil vs good. Of course, there is always the multitude of scams, systemic neglect of progress and defense of the country.

Weakening the country from the inside is bad, and politicians who either aid the weakening by conscious decisions or their incompetency should be defeated in the elections. BJP should bring out a narrative of how INC has weakened the country in the following spheres:
1) Defense
2) Growth & Opportunities - Econimics
3) Social structure
4) Environment

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 21 Sep 2013 21:28

Muppalla wrote:
In BRF there is an elitist crowd from IITs (same mindset that is part of AAP) which dismissed all these things as pure CTs.

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If I call them ( kangezKhans ) as traitors of Bharat for those acts will it raise heckles of elitist members for being pure CT when truth is slowly emerging out of darkness..

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 21 Sep 2013 21:45

chaanakya wrote:
Muppalla wrote:
In BRF there is an elitist crowd from IITs (same mindset that is part of AAP) which dismissed all these things as pure CTs.

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If I call them ( kangezKhans ) as traitors of Bharat for those acts will it raise heckles of elitist members for being pure CT when truth is slowly emerging out of darkness..

Beople shud desist from beating dead paamu (snakes) onree.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 21 Sep 2013 21:53

As far as Congress politicians wanting to join BJP, and usurping some of the rights/benefits of eligible BJP politicians....we can look at Ramayana:

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/yuddha/sa ... _prose.htm
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/yuddha/sa ... _prose.htm

But then for every anectode/story, we have counter stories

Anyway read both links, they are just fun and mind-blowing. It is about leadership, listening to others and making a decision. A worthwhile time pass.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 21 Sep 2013 21:55

Congies are getting desperate, one can expect increasingly vicious behavior culminating in massive rigging.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 21 Sep 2013 22:12

Lilo wrote:

Beople shud desist from beating dead paamu (snakes) onree.

Snakes are not dead till they are dead and then you burn it to be dead sure.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 21 Sep 2013 22:21

Neela wrote:3 Congress ministers may switch to BJP.

Take the good ones or the ones from where they are not strong. String along the rest till the eve of the election and then ditch them.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 21 Sep 2013 22:43

brihaspati wrote:For viv and katare ji, especially viv ji - who claims he has "answered" everything about "MKA" (should it be MAKA?)

You have found another excuse to pen long missives. I've not claimed 'answered everything'

, but believed the discussion on this thread to be complete and then a bit of OT followup with Devesh. Have no idea why you want to bring it up here. If you really want to please start a new thread elsewhere and I'll certainly read there.

PS. the last para in your list does meet with the vision we all aspire to right - communal issues to be issues of the past? In any case it can be discussed elsewhere.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 21 Sep 2013 22:49

Hari Seldon wrote:
Pratyush wrote:Also, a tool is a tool, CBI if useful to INC today, will be useful to Modi tomorrow, if he come to power.
Aah, saar... with all due respect, this is where even namo fans get the man wrong... he is unlikely to abuse CBI for petty witch-hunting and vengeance-mongering... naah.. the man will basically ensure the law to take its own course... and there's nothing really that scares the Dilli-billis (including in the BJP) more than having that happen - to them.

Yep! I fully expect and hope that is not the case. Inspite of likely irritating the jovians, it would otherwise be equiv to Gandhi's statement of merely replacing the While Sahib's rule by Brown Sahib's with no change in real life of the country. If CBI stays a witch-hunting tool then one has only replaced the people at the helm but not INC(-like) rule.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 21 Sep 2013 23:06

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 21 Sep 2013 23:17

Sushma sets condition

Sushma Swaraj's decision to support Narendra Modi as the BJP's Prime Ministerial candidate has surprised many. Sources close to Swaraj say that she agreed to it only after making it clear that she would not work under Modi in the Lok Sabha if the party comes to power. She would instead take the Rajya Sabha route to enter Parliament after the 2014 elections.

Modi will visit Kerala

Narendra Modi is not restricting himself to North India alone. He is visiting the Left and Congress bastion of Kerala on 23 September to meet Mata Amritanandamayi. This comes at a time when Kerala is witnessing a surge of interest in Hindu festivals. For the first time, Ganesh Utsav was celebrated there on a large scale. The BJP has an 11% vote share in Kerala but has never won a seat. It wants to win at least one from there in 2014.

BJP may field Kumble
Anil Kumble

The BJP will field former Indian cricketer Anil Kumble from South Bangalore if the Congress fields Nandan Nilekani from there. Ananth Kumar, the sitting MP, will shift to Hubli Lok Sabha seat.

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/buzzword

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 21 Sep 2013 23:24

panduranghari wrote:
Rudradev wrote: A little background. As of 2004, we're seeing the stabilization of a political phenomenon that has only rarely (if ever) existed before in Indian parliamentary democracy... and that too, for very brief and unstable stints in the past.

Rudradev Ji,

Will it be acceptable to dissipate this post of yours on the internet? Of course the credit will go to you and Bharat Rakshak, unless you would like it to be kept anonymous.

Panduranghari ji, by all means. In fact, please go through that thread I linked for many other posters who also contributed valuable information and great insight about the Kejriwal mafia at the time of Aug 2011 protests. Lots of share worthy posts on that thread besides mine!

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 21 Sep 2013 23:33

chaanakya wrote:
Lilo wrote:
Beople shud desist from beating dead paamu (snakes) onree.
Snakes are not dead till they are dead and then you burn it to be dead sure.

Saar you may have misunderstood ,
I am espeaking about those "elitist iitian" type brfites onree

You don't see any supporting congi or dismissing anti congi theories as CTs these days don't you?
If you see any I have a Dodda karra (big stick) at the ready far beating (not burning) onree - afterwards maybe we can go together to vote for bhajapa .

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Sep 2013 23:40

Rudradev wrote:ote="panduranghari"quote="Rudradev"]
A little background. As of 2004, we're seeing the stabilization of a political phenomenon that has only rarely (if ever) existed before in Indian parliamentary democracy... and that too, for very brief and unstable stints in the past.

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They called it polarization and feared it knowing they cant pee and fish in it.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 22 Sep 2013 00:06

viv wrote:
brihaspati wrote:For viv and katare ji, especially viv ji - who claims he has "answered" everything about "MKA" (should it be MAKA?)

You have found another excuse to pen long missives. I've not claimed 'answered everything' , but believed the discussion on this thread to be complete and then a bit of OT followup with Devesh. Have no idea why you want to bring it up here. If you really want to please start a new thread elsewhere and I'll certainly read there.

PS. the last para in your list does meet with the vision we all aspire to right - communal issues to be issues of the past? In any case it can be discussed elsewhere.

Or that last para is the deception. Both parts of that original long missive by him cannot be truthful at the same time. Either the first part is to deceive the Islamist or the second part is to deceive the Hindu. No the last para as it stands, in the context of his very long original missive about his opposition to Partition as it would weaken Muslim power over subcontinent - has to be taken with very large pinches - nay, handfuls of salt.

This is also a fight for values - regardless of communalism or noncommunalism. Most of Islamic memes are unacceptable as something to be tolerated - for most of us. So that core conflict of issues cannot be papered over and made into "class" conflict.

You had referred to this thread in the other thread in a way as if the last word on him has been already "answered" in reply to others over him. I saw no such reply on this thread except the usual assertions without support - of his "nationalist" credentials and claims that he "crossed over".

With his long missive in quotation, I merely showed that he might have physically "crossed over" but not ideologically - in the long term goals of Islamic search for domination of the subcontinent as a whole, in which many aspects of Hinduism would hopefully not find any place.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 22 Sep 2013 00:17

NaMo - if he becomes PM - will be faced with the very daunting task of engaging the intel and semi-independent state machinery of political repression or opportunism, like the CBI. Neither the BJP, nor he - has attained sufficient power over India as it stands, to destroy the networks that have been carefully nurtured for a very long time within these state extensions.

If he tries, he will find himself vulnerable, just as previous prime ministers of India have found themselves. He will be more of a common target for lots of forces, internal as well as transnational.

If he goes for increasing the defense capabilities of India further, both the west, China and of course the Sunni powers would like to eliminate him.

If he retaliates with army action or counter expansion and intervention to Paki moves, then the Islamic movement spanning the subcontinent, would like to eliminate hime. In this they will have the support of teh covert wings of the Saudi axis together with Euroland, and Anglo Saxon.

His coming to power will antagonize the Islamic theological infrastructure within India, so they would like to eliminate him too. Add to that, that such a removal will also be favoured by "secularists".

At this moment - what keeps them guessing, is how far NaMo's elimination will consolidate "saffron" reaction. If they do calculate, that state coercion a la Akhilesh can neutralize the consolidation by ruthless action as they did in suppressing the WB Naxals and Khalistani Sikhs, then they would go for such elimination - because in their calculation they would now be able to tar the Muslims with fear of Hindu backlash and have them fully in their pockets. That point has not been reached yet.

The UP experiment was to test out the waters for such a strategy before a larger scale.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 22 Sep 2013 00:27

^^B ji,
Exactly.
Something from the past. http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 9#p1373429

Lilo wrote:So does NaMo have his inner circle of ideological successors lined up..? along with an efficient way of choosing the leader from this group so that the next leader with the full support of the rest will emerge to take up the mantle in case NaMo is accidented.

If he dies he will surely become a martyr and the nationalist cause will net a great deal of new support momentarily (and this fact could be a deterrent to his enemies - but its only upto a point ) - i rather have a leader groomed and ready to take up his mantle and prevent confusion and infighting in the ranks. The existence of such ideological successors will also reduce the chance of his elimination as an option to be considered by his enemies.

Gujarat at all costs has to remain a bastion for nationalist cause if and when resident soldouts in the dispensation decide to go for the purge.

Increasingly Dharm yuddh in current bharat has to be an effort transcending generations and because of the scale of interests arrayed in the adharmic camp, leaders have to be always prepared to pay the ultimate price ... just saying

^^

RamaY wrote:Amangalam pratihatamaugaaka!

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 22 Sep 2013 01:27

Sometime back some rakshak did talk of some refions taking a long time, decades or perhaps century or more even, to be consolidation after hundreds of years of outright invasions and local intrigues in face of difficulties. For example regions that are not affected directly should come forward too so that regions at front get consolidated with least direct losses while maintaining logistics too. This could be true for any region.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 22 Sep 2013 01:38

just voicing out loud-

Now the SC barring a congi MP Masood a relative nobody in congis from contesting elections due to a old case somehwere in 1990s.

Now NaMo could be held guilty in any one of the numerous fake cases and barred from taking PMship etc etc.

This a real real danger when BJP/NDA gets majority.

This may well be the last ace that congis will deploy.

presstitutes will go town claiming that Masood has been debarred so why not NaMo.

Meanwhile congis will do everything before going for this to stop NaMo.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 22 Sep 2013 01:42

EVM with audit trail generation is mandatory first job for the next gov. MUST !!!

an evm captured, should void that constituency immediate effect and reelection announced within 5 days.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 22 Sep 2013 02:10

brihaspati wrote:NaMo - if he becomes PM - will be faced with the very daunting task of engaging the intel and semi-independent state machinery of political repression or opportunism, like the CBI. Neither the BJP, nor he - has attained sufficient power over India as it stands, to destroy the networks that have been carefully nurtured for a very long time within these state extensions.

If he tries, he will find himself vulnerable, just as previous prime ministers of India have found themselves. He will be more of a common target for lots of forces, internal as well as transnational.

If he goes for increasing the defense capabilities of India further, both the west, China and of course the Sunni powers would like to eliminate him.

If he retaliates with army action or counter expansion and intervention to Paki moves, then the Islamic movement spanning the subcontinent, would like to eliminate hime. In this they will have the support of teh covert wings of the Saudi axis together with Euroland, and Anglo Saxon.

His coming to power will antagonize the Islamic theological infrastructure within India, so they would like to eliminate him too. Add to that, that such a removal will also be favoured by "secularists".

At this moment - what keeps them guessing, is how far NaMo's elimination will consolidate "saffron" reaction. If they do calculate, that state coercion a la Akhilesh can neutralize the consolidation by ruthless action as they did in suppressing the WB Naxals and Khalistani Sikhs, then they would go for such elimination - because in their calculation they would now be able to tar the Muslims with fear of Hindu backlash and have them fully in their pockets. That point has not been reached yet.

The UP experiment was to test out the waters for such a strategy before a larger scale.

B ji so what should be NaMos's strategy? how can he array up the nationalist elements across the society to change the character of our institutions?

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 22 Sep 2013 02:12

SaiK wrote:EVM with audit trail generation is mandatory first job for the next gov. MUST !!!

an evm captured, should void that constituency immediate effect and reelection announced within 5 days.

i dont understand why it is a must. If modi/bjp are apprehensive about evm's, then just put 64 dummy candidates in the seats they will contest (they have enuf funds) and force a ballot box like TRS did in the by polls.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 22 Sep 2013 02:22

I don't get it, why Mulayam rule? Is Sonia going to prop up MSY as PM?
What about Amul?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 22 Sep 2013 02:24

well that goes to say, how much bjp is after clean elections.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 22 Sep 2013 02:26

NaMo has to give tickets to only clean candidates. I don't know how he will do this.
If he gives it to crooks, then he will be pulled into the same mess as MMS.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 22 Sep 2013 02:33

some tidbits from thuglak's report on the summons delivery to SG in massa. take it fwiw.

goi tried a lot to prevent the summons being delivered. the judge of the case made it clear that the hospital had to deliver it seems. the attorney had to threaten court contempt case to make the hospital folks to agree to deliver summons.

it was argued that the passport name of patient is 'antonia edvige albina maino' and is not the person 'sonia gandhi' and so the summons can't be delivered.

that did not work. SG left in 15 days and avoided having to answer within 21 days.

if the above is true, i wonder why SG did not change legal name in indian passport to antonia gandhi, if not sonia gandhi. gandhi is the legal last name of rajiv gandhi, right?

apparently she also got secret service protection, that is not protocol for party leaders.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Sep 2013 03:00

KC Pant et al joined the first NDA govt and were INC stalwarts.

Bji, The entire establishment is based on obeying the elected representatives. Once NaMo is elected in Lok Sabha as the PM the system will line up behind him. The important thing is to not be fooled an weed out the DIEnasty plants. During the Morarji Desai govt, many of the DIEnasty acolytes claimed they were following orders and stayed on to do later damage. Eg Navin Chawla.

Someone asked how can MSY be the HM?

If Pawar pulls a fast one and becomes the UPA alternate.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 22 Sep 2013 03:18

Interestingly the entry fee for the Trichy rally is Rs.10 against Rs.5 charged in Hyderabad.

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/will ... 10847.html

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 22 Sep 2013 03:50

She was provided secret service protection because she was leaking err. Blood due to cancer
Cancer has already infected the GOI under this leadership no?
?

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 22 Sep 2013 03:54

KC Pant has some nationalist blood fro GB Pant

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 22 Sep 2013 04:03

Atri wrote:It is tactical necessity, Sushupti ji.. I think NaMo will have to take it. If they leave for good without trace, they should be allowed (at least those int he diwan-e-khas of the queen along with royal family).. they can be brought back once our chandragupta is stabilized in Patliputra and Amatya Rakshas (who did not/could not flee with nandas) swears unflinching allegiance to the emperor. But in short term, it would be wise decision and perhaps essential one.

My sashtang pranaam to devaguru..

+1

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 22 Sep 2013 04:06

SaiK wrote:I am unhappy about this congress shifting to bajaps. They have to be ordained and baptized. I doubt they can survive.. and I am sure they will continue on their kangrez agenda.

This is like kangrez introducing moles into bajaps. If they accept these transformations, I would like to reverse canvas for NAMO. Sorry, against my principles.

Now I am thinking why did I made a lasting impression with SHQ friends.. I made them believe, we have some clean administration coming up soon to desh.

SaiK garu. Bliss to hold your anger. There are some vikarnas in the termite kingdom. We should not not-allow dharmics to make a clear and overt transition.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 22 Sep 2013 04:11

Wonder if the process can be expedited? Make a deal with the Italians to leave the country and not contest the elections, keep the loot, forget about kangrez. If all they care about is money, that could be negotiated, and the kangrez could be left leaderless to flounder. If the Italians are really after a legacy in India - well, tough then.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 22 Sep 2013 04:18

the long twisted path of LKA from organizing RJB rath yatras and lighting the fire of Hindutva in the Indian mind, to eventually claiming Jinnah is secular took about ~14 years. and before that, during NDA gov, there were things he did which the organizer of RJB would have never thought of doing. yet he did.

what Bji is indicating is the inexorable power of the "networks", state and non-state, that exist in the Indian sub-continent, and their influence on the ruling setup. the twisted path of LKA perhaps is a glaring example of that power.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 22 Sep 2013 04:21

when they have more freedom from being a citizen while being a foreigner, why would you think that would work?

and your sudhashan mantra is bad.. can't let the criminals escape. must be jailed in desh... well they can escape, but that is a different karma altogether for them.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 22 Sep 2013 05:19

Just a thought. Politics is the art of the possible, after all. Without the dynasty, kangrez is nothing. And the Italians wouldn't escape - just watch out for a future opp. to bring justice to them. Taqiya, remember?

As for Sudarshan mantra, that's not a phrase I coined

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