Phone, Tablet and Gizmo Thread #0x02

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Sep 2013 17:03

i tilt my ipad and can see the background move past the icons...then it halts...then a desperate jerk as it lags and catches up . and this on a ipad3 less than a year old. I shudder how older kit will fare.

this thing should not have passed UI acceptance test in a properly metrics driven shop.

atleast provide some option to turn things off and keep performance upto par.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 21 Sep 2013 17:23

Singha wrote:i tilt my ipad and can see the background move past the icons...then it halts...then a desperate jerk as it lags and catches up . and this on a ipad3 less than a year old. I shudder how older kit will fare.

this thing should not have passed UI acceptance test in a properly metrics driven shop.

atleast provide some option to turn things off and keep performance upto par.

Usually getting metrics itself that there be atleast alpha testing. Metrics for everything have to be built simultaneosly with development. Guess what takes priority in the intial stages - development / metrics software.

But by that time, if the performance is unsatisfactory and has to be rewritten, the timelines are at their end. Hacks and choppiness result. I expect these problems to be licked by IOS8.

negi · Post by **negi** » 21 Sep 2013 17:27

Well to be honest responsiveness is not too bad on my 4S but then that could be because lot of jug-mug effects might be disabled for A5 powered device with 512 mb RAM. Anyways I will see if there is a rollback path available and get it to iOS 6 over this weekend.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 21 Sep 2013 18:26

^^^In the 4S a lot of the effects are disabled otherwise it was bringing down the house.

Perhaps YechPee can sue FruitCo or GB....that task manager stuff can be traced back to WebOS and S^3.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 21 Sep 2013 18:48

MS-Nokia is not an early mover, and further their market could be basically tapping those young kids who wants dual use tablets - games+HW doing device. The 10" tablet wala seems ideal.. however, they would do some magic on the package.. 500 bucks means, it has to include everything like ms office ( not the surface pricing) etc. now, that would also mean surface not coming above the surface.

girish.r · Post by **girish.r** » 21 Sep 2013 18:54

negi wrote:iOS 7 sucks donkey balls anyone who says otherwise is a pakka fanboi and cannot claim to be objective.

1. The old iOS6 keyboard had 3d effects on buttons, they used to be grey and had a gradient. The upper case used to light up in blue. Chootiyanandans have flattened the whole thing and made it B&W, font looks like Arial Narrow .
2. SMS dialogues are in bright paki green.
3. All the app icons have lost 3d rendering and have been enlarged they look even more fckd up on slender iPhone screens.
4. iOS7 consumes more battery than iOS6 and for what extra feature ? Some lame duck effects on wallpaper copied from Android , airdrop (which btw is only available on 5 and above).

Basically whoever was in charge of iOS7 did a copy paste from Android and even WP (SMS part).

I would roll back to iOS6 after a few days (if that is possible in first place).

After upgrading it, i have given up my 4s for nokia 520, and got myself a nexus 7 with 4.3. Apps integration is really helpful and nokia with win phone 8 is so fluid.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 21 Sep 2013 19:07

i fought bravely to avoid rebranding or for the sake of releasing a product, work on something within short period of time without analysing CBA or value addition. I was only fighting for $few million.. but the dark forces won over me.. when kompanies acquire, they want to just go about doing crap,, lost vision and nothing on value addtion. it is all about saving their asses.

There are only few genuine thinkers.. apple will not be apple anymore after jobs, is not a saying without human factors and behavior analysis.

If I say anything out loud, apple might patent that, and would come out with iphone7 of their own. why give my feedback.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Sep 2013 21:07

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 21 Sep 2013 21:40

^^ Why phor all look phata abdul SYRE or SDRE types .. ?
Almost looks like an appil place in Hong Kong or something.

Ohh now methinks they lineup to purchase phonewa's to put them up in EBay for a pretty margin .
Its for the ultimate isheep who cant wait and dont bother about reviews and stuff. So it just a case of middlemen shearing isheep.Onlee.

♬ Baba black sheep
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And one for the SYRE who brought me the phone ♬

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Sep 2013 22:56

Speaking of sheep, grand auto theft 5 has pulled in $800 mil in first day of sales. After the development is done, being pure sw it costs nothing to produce few dollar for the dvd....all rest is profit.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Sep 2013 23:25

http://www.firstpost.com/tech/iphone-fr ... =hp-footer

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 21 Sep 2013 23:57

Singha wrote:Speaking of sheep, grand auto theft 5 has pulled in $800 mil in first day of sales. After the development is done, being pure sw it costs nothing to produce few dollar for the dvd....all rest is profit.

Not surprising. The GTA series is legendary. Nearly every game has been a hit and got glowing reviews and this is the tenth game in the series I believe.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 22 Sep 2013 02:33

Speaking of iphone craziness, SHQ said that at the apple store close to where she works, a guy told a bunch of homeless people that he would pay them $40 each + pizza/soda/cigarettes to stand in line yesterday. So he gets a big van and transports them to the store (many were from downtown LA) and gives them a few pizzas and soda as promised. Next day, out of about 200 people in line, 100 of them were his agents. Incidentally, he set up his agents in other stores in the LA area as well. Store opened, they got tokens and the guy walked in to buy the phones.

Then, in a mahdi-esque move, he refused to pay the bums and riots nearly broke out and the cops had to come and escort the chap out (because he technically didn't commit any crime). The guy also left the bums with no way to get back to their homeless shelter too.

The guy said that he plans to resell the phones abroad for huge profit (apparently, you can sell them for around $1000 each or so online to buyers in other countries).

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 22 Sep 2013 02:37

yeah...rich brats in other countries want their iphone as soon as its released in US.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 22 Sep 2013 03:15

Autumn 2012 : Chinese teenager sells kidney for iPhone onlee... World is again agog at the tallness fairness and especially tightness of iphone wa and its cutkidney price.
Aapil however realizes that this is an unsustainable management of kidney resources as at this rate the little emperors of china who dont have a kidney backup in case of future contingencies due to lack of siblings(one child policy) and worse will have only one kidney left for purchasing future Tfta'er models of their iphonewa. So Aapils marketing wizkiddos resolve to release a small yellow yet still very tight arsed IPhone wa 5C (c with a capital for China).

Autumn 2013:Foxxcon which itself is based in China revvs up the slave lines and pesh karoes iphonewa 5c to the Chinese at the now cut liver price of 550$ (Aapils djineer marketers figured out livers can grow back within the next refresh cycle).

But but BUT!
Little empelols now complain that this SR yet TA iphone wa 5C is not worth selling any organ when compared with other lesser priced offerings with similar features - and give a collective thumb down.

And worse further plasphemy !!
Homeless people in massaland are waiting for iPhone wa in return for pizza and money and are getting cheated for lack of enforceable contracts - not by carriers but by customers !!
Aapil marketing wizkiddos take note of this and quietly chalk up plans for an IPhone wa 6H targetting the homeless hobos of massaland to part with their kidney for a laasting aapil experience.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 22 Sep 2013 04:17

aapil mongers are networkers.. one person in the network craps it, it will fall on the dung easily

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 22 Sep 2013 06:00

I am still waiting for KJo to come whining that Kunal just brandished a champagne colored iPhone 5S in his face

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Sep 2013 07:35

gold iphone is hot in the black market. stocks are exhausted. in the meantime the i want i want crowd is having a nervous breakdown and scouring ebay.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Sep 2013 07:37

Raja Bose wrote:I am still waiting for KJo to come whining that Kunal just brandished a champagne colored iPhone 5S in his face

or Neha showing up in athletic shorts brandishing her new toy and KJo getting a earful from the SHQ

niran · Post by **niran** » 22 Sep 2013 11:18

damn! just updated me Nokia lumia 520 to something called Nokia Lumia Amber, the update had promised me so much
i thought me would need nothing else in me life, but the phone post update still onree makes and receive calls sms and mms
as it was doing earlier, no ability to get bigger screen on demand or transform into a chef to brew me an adarak ki chai as i was made to understand, curse be on all them designers and whoever is involved.

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 22 Sep 2013 13:56

Waise, I am pakka Androidabadi. Meri ragon main androids flow karthe hain.

But, I couldnt help but being impressed by the latest iOS 7 and am actively considering moving to the apple universe.

I think its a great achievement and its usability has become orders of magnitude better, especially after it shamelessly ripped off good features from webOS and Android

Ha!

himadri · Post by **himadri** » 22 Sep 2013 15:14

iOS7 looks like a jellybean custom Rom to me.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 22 Sep 2013 19:30

Singha wrote: just downloaded the ios7 on ipad. Ugh...who cooked up this shitty thing ? its 5 steps back from ios6. the jerkiness and lag is visibly apparent and that for a flat UI that should need less rendering cycles.
apple truly have lost it if this is supposed to be their next-gen UI.

Uninstall movies, music and many apps. It should respond a bit better when there is less space taken up and processes in the background. Seems like AAPL screwed up a cronjob type scheduler in iOS (if that is even a legitimate analogy).
Perhaps the 64-bit iOS 7 running on older hardware doesn't respond well.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 22 Sep 2013 20:23

^^^umm...how will 64bit OS run on 32bit hardware?

The lag is mostly due to visual effects and compositing which is getting done on CPU as GPU can't take that much load. Its the bane of all mobile SoCs.

negi · Post by **negi** » 22 Sep 2013 20:31

Arrey most of the snazzy effects are anyways disabled on less capable hardware as I said in my personal experience on iPhone 4s the responsiveness is not that big of an issue and I haven't experienced any freezes or app crashes as of now but then guys when it comes to responsiveness there is not much to choose from Android or iPhone at least not today however one of the key areas where iOS used to trump everyone else was slick presentation and attention to detail to UX now that is missing from iOS7 else feature wise nothing is new here , biometric thingy is more of a hardware feature than software.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 23 Sep 2013 00:29

Raja Bose wrote:^^^umm...how will 64bit OS run on 32bit hardware?

The lag is mostly due to visual effects and compositing which is getting done on CPU as GPU can't take that much load. Its the bane of all mobile SoCs.

64-bit OS is what AAPL advertises, but I don't know what they're doing and what snake oil they're selling.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 23 Sep 2013 01:00

^^^Do they advertise that iOS7 is a 64 bit OS or do they say that A7 is a 64 bit processor....2 different things.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 23 Sep 2013 01:08

will googull sue aapil for copying look alikes after i owe yes 7?

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 23 Sep 2013 01:16

^^^They cant unless they have the relevant software or design patents.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Sep 2013 15:22

http://www.gizmodo.in/news/iPhone-A7-Ch ... 840042.cms

5S blows everything away in benchmarks. goes to show just how uncontrolled and bad android env is with their makers screaming of OCTA core now...led by the micromax munnas.

nikhil_p · Post by **nikhil_p** » 23 Sep 2013 17:11

being an I-devices user I can say with some conviction that the eye oh yes saptami is a nice upgrade. As with all historical Os's it is extremely user friendly and intuitive to use.
My eye phunva (4) is running eye oh yes chakka and eye pad mini is now running saptami OS. The galaxy 3 is a pain in the musharaff to use after you get used to the eye devices...

@pandyan da - plizz to upgrade to chakka or saptami OS. The cloud integration can be easily controlled (turn off)...you are missing some nice stuff if you dont upgrade

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 23 Sep 2013 17:54

Raja Bose wrote:^^^Do they advertise that iOS7 is a 64 bit OS or do they say that A7 is a 64 bit processor....2 different things.

iOS7 is 64-bit and the A7 is 64-bit architecture. How would you use a a 64-bit processing on a 32-bit CPU?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 23 Sep 2013 18:04

Singha wrote:http://www.gizmodo.in/news/iPhone-A7-Ch ... 840042.cms

5S blows everything away in benchmarks. goes to show just how uncontrolled and bad android env is with their makers screaming of OCTA core now...led by the micromax munnas.

The Geekbench scores are of value as they can be run across different platforms and OSes. The iPhone has a big advantage because the OS is optimized without bloat for the device. Android has the problem of manufacturers putting their skins and bloat on top of the OS. Even then, Android 4.4 is coming out end of October 2013 and will probably be very good too on newer CPUs.

negi · Post by **negi** » 23 Sep 2013 18:16

MW sir any SW product these days ships with both 32 as well as 64 bit binaries; imho the way this works is when notifications come for update of iOS in all existing apple devices it downloads the 32 bit binaries for none of the i mobile devices aside from the 5S are using 64 bit architecture .

manish · Post by **manish** » 23 Sep 2013 20:31

2nd Gen Surface is being revealed. Things are looking pretty interesting.

Looks like Surface Pro 2 is getting a huge battery life boost (+75%??)+better display+Haswell+better graphics+hifi Power Cover with built-in battery for 2.5x battery life boost among other improvements.

Design looks almost exactly like the previous iteration.

Tempting. Seems to be growing ever closer to the definitive laptop replacement for hardcore roadwarriors, esp for devices in the <14" category.

manish · Post by **manish** » 23 Sep 2013 20:41

Mickey showing off multitasking on Surface2 (RT) with Halo and all four office apps running at the same time.

manish · Post by **manish** » 23 Sep 2013 20:49

Pricing:
"Surface 2 is $449 and Surface Pro 2 is $899. Surface RT remains at $349."

Variants:
"Surface Pro 2 comes in a variety of configurations. 64GB storage and 4GB RAM, 128GB storage and 4GB RAM, and also 256GB of storage with 8GB of RAM and 512GB of storage with 8GB of RAM."

Availability:
"Tomorrow morning 8AM we will start taking pre-orders on all the Surface products. On 10/22 these products will be available."

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 23 Sep 2013 21:25

Mort Walker wrote:
Raja Bose wrote:^^^Do they advertise that iOS7 is a 64 bit OS or do they say that A7 is a 64 bit processor....2 different things.
iOS7 is 64-bit and the A7 is 64-bit architecture. How would you use a a 64-bit processing on a 32-bit CPU?

Thats what I am saying...I doubt iOS7 comes in 64 bit version onlee coz iPhunwa4S runs it too.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 23 Sep 2013 21:27

Mort Walker wrote:
Singha wrote:http://www.gizmodo.in/news/iPhone-A7-Ch ... 840042.cms

5S blows everything away in benchmarks. goes to show just how uncontrolled and bad android env is with their makers screaming of OCTA core now...led by the micromax munnas.

The Geekbench scores are of value as they can be run across different platforms and OSes. The iPhone has a big advantage because the OS is optimized without bloat for the device. Android has the problem of manufacturers putting their skins and bloat on top of the OS. Even then, Android 4.4 is coming out end of October 2013 and will probably be very good too on newer CPUs.

Users don't care. If UX sux it sux. It doesn't matter if its due to bloat, position of the moon and promises of it will get better in the future onlee.

BTW haven't they run GeekBench on Nexus? That doesn't have any bloat. How does it compare with iOS7, would be interesting to know and will be a much more fair comparison than Sammy etc. bloat on top.

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Panos Panay looks fatter....must be laying off the marathons & triathlons to focus on work

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 23 Sep 2013 21:34

Surface 2 is the replacement for Surface RT, but both are running RT?
Surface Pro 2 is DOA at that price.

I wonder what MSFT write off will be in 2014? I guess it's a good thing MSFT has deep pockets as many companies can't handle billion $ write offs.