Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis

member_26255 · Post by **member_26255** » 22 Sep 2013 16:15

Wrong thread....post deleted

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Sep 2013 16:24

Murugan wrote:From Jihad Al Nikah Tunisia link above

Jihad al-nikah, permitting extramarital sexual relations with multiple partners, is considered by some hardline Sunni Muslim Salafists as a legitimate form of holy war.

The “Jihad al Nikah” aka “Sex Jihad” doctrine described above certainly contradicts the notion being peddled by a group of Mohammaddens to us Dhimmi Kaafirs by way of the following advertisments, that ”Jihad” is an innocuously cute and cuddly Mohammadden religious concept:

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Sep 2013 17:03

hope the Kenyans have good CT forces to close in and punish the scum. the slideshow on NYT shows a mumbai like scene with plain clothes police having 9mm pistols and what seems to be armymen or paramils with green dress, no BPJ/helmet/comms gear and G3 rifles. one shot of a police type guy with BPJ and a AK56.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 22 Sep 2013 17:07

Jihad-Al-Nikah
Report in english at bottom of the page

Saudi Fatwa video allowing sex Jihad (arabic)

A Sex Jihad's Interview (arabic)

http://lubpak.com/archives/283721

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 22 Sep 2013 17:28

More Western Terrorists joining Jihad

http://lubpak.com/archives/283753

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 22 Sep 2013 19:04

The reviews have been favourable for Judge Peter Murphy, who drew the shortest of straws this week in having to decide whether a Muslim defendant should be allowed to wear the niqab in court. His verdict seems the very model of British compromise; yes, she can cover her face during proceedings but not during examination and cross-examination because the jury needs to see her. He says the political classes also need to sort it all out or risk "a kind of judicial anarchy". Thus is the wisdom of Solomon re-named the wisdom of Judge Murphy. But then he is a man accustomed to good reviews, for in his other life we find he is a novelist whose racy legal thrillers lift the lid on sex and racial prejudice at the bar. Within the pages of A Higher Duty, one finds adulterous barristers, irascible judges and a notably saucy sex scene ("Their first lovemaking was a clumsy affair, a frantic dash to tear off frustrating layers of clothing"). He is definitely on to something. "A brilliant thriller by a striking new talent," says one reviewer. "Weighty and impressive," says another. Can the bench and Blackfriars crown court retain its appeal to him for very long?

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 23 Sep 2013 05:32

Lest we forget the attacks and murders in Nigeria from the past few days....

Death toll in northeast Nigeria attack 'at least 142'

AFP - The death toll from an attack in northeastern Nigeria that saw insurgents dressed as soldiers set up checkpoints and gun down travellers on a highway has risen to at least 142, an official said Sunday.

"We recovered 55 bodies on Wednesday and 87 on Thursday," Abdulaziz Kolomi, an official with the environmental protection agency in Borno state where the attack occurred, told AFP. The previous toll from the attack in the Benisheik area was 87.

The insurgents suspected to be from Islamist extremist group Boko Haram also burned scores of homes and buildings in the assault and left corpses littering the roadside.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 24 Sep 2013 01:02

Ok are these women moderates or extremists? If you say extremists, how many of these questions would one agree to as a Muslim in UK? If you agree with the majority can it be concluded then one is an extremist? So please take the test below..

Questions: So how many of these posters would a normal kind of Muslim agree with?

1. UK Needs Islam?
2. Niqaab Future of Britain.
3. Freedom go to hell
4. Banning Niqab won't stop Islam
5. MPs have no shame
6. MPs are perverts
7. Islam honors women
8. Ban ***** not Niqaab.
9. NIqaab=Chastity

PS: So if you got 5 right, then you can call yourself an extremist. Else you must say these women are moderates, normal Muslims. (Which in my opinion they are)

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 24 Sep 2013 01:25

VinodTK wrote:Tunisia to fight 'sex jihad' trips to Syria
Tunisia's women's ministry said today it would come up with a plan to counter the growing number of women travelling to Syria to wage so-called "sex jihad" by comforting militants.

Providing sexual service for the sake of the greater jihad is not just limited to comforting one's own soldiers. Sometimes it can also be used to seduce the enemy, or a prospective ally. Iran's Basij forces have many women recruits. It is well known that when Arab Sheikhs visit Iran, the hospitality includes sexual services provided by chosen Basiji girls, who do it for God and country.

Vadivel · Post by **Vadivel** » 26 Sep 2013 07:05

Please reply me as I am totally confused as one of my Hindu friend asked me, how Islam is against murty pooja? When at Kabah Muslims are revolving around the holy Kaba what is inside of your Kabah? Then I replied a black stone, then he asked what is in Mahadev Temple? Again I replied Shiva ling? Then he again asked me what is Shiva ling, I replied it is a black stone. Then what is difference between horizontal black stone and vertical black stone?

(Fatwa: 55/39/D=1434)

Almighty Allah has ordered to circle around the Ka’ba in a particular way and it is called tawaf. Doing tawaf is in accordance with Allah’s order. You are wrong; Hajr Aswad (the Black Stone) is installed on the outer wall of Ka’ba not inside it. The inside look is just like a room of masjid.
The Hindus worship Shiva Ling while Muslims neither worship the Ka’ba nor of Hajr Aswad (the Black Stone), rather they worship only Allah and consider Him alone worthy of worship. It is something else to worship something, consider him the possessor of profit and loss and trouble-shooter and fulfiller of need; the Muslims neither worship Hajr Aswad and Ka’ba nor consider them the possessor of profit and loss. While those who worship Shiva Ling they have such beliefs. Thus these two concepts are as different to each other as the earth and the heaven rather more.

Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'ala) knows Best

Darul Ifta,
Darul Uloom Deoband

For more fun fatwas check out this site...

http://www.darulifta-deoband.org/showus ... %3C%2Fl%3E

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 27 Sep 2013 02:13

Jihadi terrorism is obviously an oxymoron as far as Kufr are concerned. And Jihad is not radical Islam, it is mainstream Islam. So one can conclude logically what 'Islamism' really is!

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 27 Sep 2013 03:05

OHIO MOM GETS ISLAMIC PROSELYTIZING VIDEO REMOVED FROM 7TH GRADE HISTORY CLASS

The Olmsted Falls City School District, located in Olmsted Falls, Ohio has agreed to remove the video “30 Days: Muslim and America” from the 7th grade World History Curriculum. The action was taken to avoid a constitutional challenge by the Thomas More Law Center (TMLC), a national public interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, which filed a series of requests for public records concerning the video on behalf of Jenny McKeigue, a mother of three children who attend schools within the district.

McKeigue first became concerned about the history curriculum in 2011 when her son, then in 7th grade, was required to memorize the 5 Pillars of Islam (the requirement was later discontinued). After a deeper look into the 7th grade history curriculum, McKeigue became concerned about the content of the “Muslims and America” video to which the school had exposed her son. She asked the School District to remove the video from the curriculum and replace it with an objective video relevant to the history of Islam, not one that taught children how to become a Muslim. Her request was denied. Subsequently, Mrs. McKeigue began the escalation process to the Superintendent and the School Board

After over a year and a half of denied requests for information, including requests for the class syllabus, from the School District, McKeigue reached out to the Thomas More Law Center for assistance. TMLC agreed to help. Ohio attorney Michael S. Goldstein acted as an affiliated local counsel.

The questionable video features a Christian (Dave) agreeing to embrace the religion of Islam and the Muslim culture by living with a Muslim family for 30 days in Dearborn, Michigan. Dave was required to live, dress and eat as a Muslim, study the Koran daily and participate in Muslim prayer. The video features several instances of Muslim prayer and even a look at a “how to pray in Islam” sheet complete with Dave practicing how to pray and reciting lines such as “I testify that there is no God other than the Almighty” and “I testify that Mohammad is the messenger of God.”

The video is also set up in a manner that portrays non-Muslims as uneducated bigots and Muslims as persecuted victims. At one point in the video, 7th grade students are told that if they hear someone say something wrong about Islam, it is their responsibility to fix it.

The video was being used as a part of the Ohio 7th Grade Social Studies Standards Expectations for Learning which requires students to “describe achievements by the Islamic civilization and how these achievements were introduced into Western Europe in the time period between 750 BC – 1600AD.”

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 27 Sep 2013 13:56

Iran lawmakers pass bill allowing men to marry adopted daughters

Parliamentarians in Iran have passed a bill to protect the rights of children which includes a clause that allows a man to marry his adopted daughter and while she is as young as 13 years.

She added: "You should not be able to marry your adopted children, full stop. If a father marries his adopted daughter who is a minor and has sex, that's rape."

According to Sadr, officials in Iran have tried to play down the sexual part of such marriages, saying it is in the bill to solve the issue of hijab [head scarf] complications when a child is adopted.

An adopted daughter is expected to wear the hijab in front of her father, and a mother should wear it in front of her adopted son if he is old enough, Sadr said.

"With this bill, you can be a paedophile and get your bait in the pretext of adopting children," Sadr said. Some experts believe the new bill is contradictory to Islamic beliefs and would not pass the Guardian Council.

I thought Iran's persias were somewhere moderate in their outlook when compared to Saudi Wahabi's, but it has been shattered now. This law questions the affection of parent-child relationship.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 27 Sep 2013 14:43

A prominent Calgary imam, Syed Soharwardy of the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada, recently declared that many Muslims should go back to their Muslim-majority homelands.

It is against Islam, he said, for Muslims to migrate to non-Muslim countries for the purpose of economic betterment.

On his Facebook page, later relayed through the website Blazing Cat Fur, Imam Soharwardy wrote, “Muslims never migrated to non-Muslim countries for economic reasons, looking for good jobs and better life style. In fact, this is against Islam’s reasons for migration towards a non-Muslim country. Please go back.”

He’s right. In fact, conventional Muslim belief holds migration to non-Muslim countries to be a major sin, except when the faithful have the opportunity to proselytize and work toward establishing sharia law. They can stay on if their presence in any non-Muslim land does not result in apostasy or bar them from discharging their religious obligations.

Clearly, many orthodox Muslims are already working hard at proselytizing. The results are obvious.

Many Canadian Muslims call stridently for prayer spaces, burka accommodations, workplace faith provisions and demands to bend public school curricula to fit Muslim belief and practice. Added to this is the Islamist assault on free speech, particularly when it comes to criticism of Islam. Behind it all hovers the forbidding cloud of sharia.

Clagary Imam to Muslims: Go Home

arun · Post by **arun** » 27 Sep 2013 20:05

Mohammadden terrorists tortured Non-Mohammaddens before killing them:

“They removed balls, eyes, ears, nose. They get your hand and sharpen it like a pencil then they tell you to write your name with the blood. They drive knives inside a child’s body. Actually, if you look at all the bodies, unless those ones that were escaping, fingers are cut by pliers, the noses are ripped by pliers.”

From here:

Kenya shopping mall attack: Nairobi hostages were tortured before they were killed, says police doctor : Rumours of rapes, disfigurement and beheadings are rife in Kenya’s capital

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Sep 2013 20:20

kmkraoind wrote:Iran lawmakers pass bill allowing men to marry adopted daughters

According to Sadr, officials in Iran have tried to play down the sexual part of such marriages, saying it is in the bill to solve the issue of hijab [head scarf] complications when a child is adopted.

An adopted daughter is expected to wear the hijab in front of her father, and a mother should wear it in front of her adopted son if he is old enough, Sadr said.

"With this bill, you can be a paedophile and get your bait in the pretext of adopting children," Sadr said. Some experts believe the new bill is contradictory to Islamic beliefs and would not pass the Guardian Council.

What about adopted-sons their step-mothers? Shouldn't adopted-sons have the same rights for they are muslim-mards?

Perhaps, breastfeeding is a better option than nikha w.r.t step children, even though it is of light green variety and thus can be ashamed by ridicule and laughter?

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 27 Sep 2013 21:47

RamaY wrote: What about adopted-sons their step-mothers? Shouldn't adopted-sons have the same rights for they are muslim-mards?

Perhaps, breastfeeding is a better option than nikha w.r.t step children, even though it is of light green variety and thus can be ashamed by ridicule and laughter?

When I read sexcapades of Prophet or his followers, I do not why I remind myself of Polo mint ad quotation "where is the hole."

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 28 Sep 2013 01:57

What about adopted-sons their step-mothers? Shouldn't adopted-sons have the same rights for they are muslim-mards?

At least it should be made possible as long as the step-son is from wahabi muslim caste.
If burkha wimmens when raped need 4 witnesses to say they are indeed raped and yet they dont want freedom,
if burkha wimmens need to be walked on leash by a husband or a brother or a father, when they go out and yet they don't want freedom,
if burkha wimmens love the smell of their stale breathe and yet they love it,

Such nikhas should be made feasible, look at TSP mards they are searching for donkey sex on the internet. To do away with such desperation mards need to be rescued. And nikha is temporary anyway, you get undo such a marriage by saying talakh 3 times, so the step-son can walk away after the talakh with step-mother as if nothing has happened...so it shouldnt be a problem to the fastest growing religion of peace in the world. And look at the positive side, you can have more mards out of such a wed lock...more power to islam.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Sep 2013 02:11

^ Yup, no Nikha can stand the test of triple-Talaq. After that it is all fresh meat for reconsumption.

Eye wonder who gets ashamed by this stuff? It's all almighty's will onlee.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 28 Sep 2013 02:29

40 killed today in a car bomb explosion in Syria again in the name of Islam. However if one reads this thread from the beginning, a great sadness shall draw in. The number of horrific deaths and injuries is astounding and all in contemporary times recorded to a limited extent here based on folks just volunteering to post. All because a Religion of Peace or some wing of it wants to assert it's superiority. Those who keep quiet or come with cliches 'No religion preaches violence', truly have blood on their hands. Those that now profess naivette about Islamism surely too have blood on their hands too. This naivette is becoming too deadly particlularly in democratic setups. This will lead to great bloodshed, unless people are well informed.

saip · Post by **saip** » 28 Sep 2013 03:32

Fair and Balanced reporting from FOX, Wow!

'Islam,' 'Muslim' censored from newspaper reports on Kenya, Pakistan attacks

Fox

arun · Post by **arun** » 28 Sep 2013 09:27

RamaY wrote:
kmkraoind wrote:Iran lawmakers pass bill allowing men to marry adopted daughters ...... {Snipped} .........
What about adopted-sons their step-mothers? Shouldn't adopted-sons have the same rights for they are muslim-mards?

Perhaps, breastfeeding is a better option than nikha w.r.t step children, even though it is of light green variety and thus can be ashamed by ridicule and laughter?

When marriage to adopted daughter- in-law is permitted, it is but a small step to allow marriage to adopted daughter. Here it is moot to point out that the founder of Mohammaddenism, per religious text of that faith, prevailed upon his adopted son Zayed aka Zaid to divorce his wife Zaynab bint Jash and then married her. The enabling via media for this bit of ethical calisthenics was a vision which the founder of the Mohammadden faith claimed voided the concept of adoption which was then prevalent in Arab society.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 28 Sep 2013 19:10

Is word Sayyad connected to this concept Zaid or Zayed?

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 29 Sep 2013 17:05

Peaceful demonstration in Nigeria by secularists: 50 Students gunned down

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 29 Sep 2013 21:52

It seems the whole world has gone Dhimmi, from Africa to India, Islamists terrorists have killed over 500 in last couple of weeks, yet there has been hardly any show of outrage by the rest of the world.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 29 Sep 2013 22:41

^ It happened ONLY because of the consistent propaganda of "universalism" and all humans and their religious preferences being equal. There is no more idiotic concept than that.

If all humans are equal, what is the need for immigration laws, college applications, education tests, sports and so on?

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 01 Oct 2013 02:31

Actually the ME is one the greatest originators of Human Trafficking

While the European involvement in the Trans Atlantic slave trade to the Americas lasted for just over three centuries, the Arab involvement in the slave trade has lasted fourteen centuries, and in some parts of the Muslim world is still continuing to this day. -
While two out of every three slaves shipped across the Atlantic were men, the proportions were reversed in the Islamic slave trade. Two women for every man were enslaved by the Muslims.

While many children were born to slaves in the Americas, and millions of their descendants are citizens in Brazil and the USA to this day, very few descendants of the slaves that ended up in the Middle East survive.

http://freethoughtnation.com/contributi ... avery.html

notably Saudi Arabia, which only abolished slavery in 1962, Yemen and Oman, both of which ended legal slavery in 1970, and Niger, which didn't abolish slavery until 2004. In Niger, the ban is widely ignored, and as many as one million people remain in bondage. Slaves are bred, often raped, and generally treated like animals

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2010 ... -to-islam/

W

hile most slaves who went to the Americas could marry and have families, most of the male slaves destined for the Middle East were castrated, and most of the children born to the women were killed at birth.

While Christian Reformers spearheaded the anti-slavery abolitionist movements in Europe and North America, and Great Britain mobilised her Navy, throughout most of the 19thCentury, to intercept slave ships and set the captives free, there was no comparable opposition to slavery within the Muslim world.

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2009 ... -official/

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Oct 2013 02:56

jarita, Not meaning to take the focus but the British mobilisation to end slavery was to remove a competitve advantage with other slave owning Western countries. Having ushered in the Steam engine revolution that led to the Industrial Revolution the British did not want slaves in other states. However they continueu to have indentured servants from India in all their plantation colonies in Carribean territories.
Lousiana state in US wanted to import Indian indentured labor in late 1840s just like the British.

Christian Reformers were the mask to get slavery abolished at same time indentured labor was massively imported/exported from India.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 01 Oct 2013 03:47

^^^ Yes I am aware. It was all trade and economics. I feel that Islamic slavery went beyond that. It was trade, economics with rapaciousness that belies anything - mass castrations, rape of children (girls and boys), the obvious (women).
Actually, that was also there in the christian world albeit hidden - more sociopathic one would say.

Yes, both. What bothers me is the recency of Islamic slavery. It still happens - wink! wink! and the middle east does not see much wrong with it.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 01 Oct 2013 04:38

RamaY wrote:^ It happened ONLY because of the consistent propaganda of "universalism" and all humans and their religious preferences being equal. There is no more idiotic concept than that.

If all humans are equal, what is the need for immigration laws, college applications, education tests, sports and so on?

RamaY garu, equal means equal legal status and rights.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 01 Oct 2013 04:43

Jarita wrote:^^^ Yes I am aware. It was all trade and economics. I feel that Islamic slavery went beyond that. It was trade, economics with rapaciousness that belies anything - mass castrations, rape of children (girls and boys), the obvious (women).
Actually, that was also there in the christian world albeit hidden - more sociopathic one would say.

Yes, both. What bothers me is the recency of Islamic slavery. It still happens - wink! wink! and the middle east does not see much wrong with it.

Arab thinking is deeply and horribly racist towards black skinned people. I came across a Telugu translation of Arabian Nights from 1930s, well before political correctness. The language of hatred and contempt for blacks therein is enough to make your skin crawl.

My belief is that much of so-called negative view of dark skin in India is due to absorption of arap attitudes.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 01 Oct 2013 06:52

KLNMurthy wrote: Arab thinking is deeply and horribly racist towards black skinned people. I came across a Telugu translation of Arabian Nights from 1930s, well before political correctness. The language of hatred and contempt for blacks therein is enough to make your skin crawl.

My belief is that much of so-called negative view of dark skin in India is due to absorption of arap attitudes.

Saar - even now, if you pick up an Arabian Nights copy from an Israeli publisher, you will find the unvarnished truth. There is not only a phenomenal amount of hatred and contempt for the blacks, there is also mountains of hatred for other religions. Zoroastrians catch it particularly badly (just pick up any story about Haroun al Rashid, and see how much hatred there is for Zoroastrians), but there is also just as frightening amount of hatred for the Christians, Jews, and even Hindus. The thing is, in the stories, there is clear approval for perjury, theft, and false accusation against the infidel, and in some places, even amputation and stoning. I doubt, however, that it will ever be classed as hate literature.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Oct 2013 07:00

(Fatwa: 55/39/D=1434)

Almighty Allah has ordered to circle around the Ka’ba in a particular way and it is called tawaf. Doing tawaf is in accordance with Allah’s order. You are wrong; Hajr Aswad (the Black Stone) is installed on the outer wall of Ka’ba not inside it. The inside look is just like a room of masjid.The Hindus worship Shiva Ling while Muslims neither worship the Ka’ba nor of Hajr Aswad (the Black Stone), rather they worship only Allah and consider Him alone worthy of worship. It is something else to worship something, consider him the possessor of profit and loss and trouble-shooter and fulfiller of need; the Muslims neither worship Hajr Aswad and Ka’ba nor consider them the possessor of profit and loss. While those who worship Shiva Ling they have such beliefs. Thus these two concepts are as different to each other as the earth and the heaven rather more. Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'ala) knows BestDarul Ifta,
Darul Uloom Deoband

Does this not make Tawaf a useless exercise when it has no benefit etc and by extention meaningless instruction from good lord?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 01 Oct 2013 10:46

Muslim professor throws a (virtual) bombshell.

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/201 ... r-existed/

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 01 Oct 2013 11:30

Re:bigotry against dark skinned people in Arapia
The latest form of crucification being practiced by Arabs on an purported spy - who just happens to be a black guy.

NSFW
http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-conten ... on-vi1.jpg

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 01 Oct 2013 23:10

Lilo you need to put a warning for that pic.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 01 Oct 2013 23:32

While we give 3 years to a 18 year old juvenile for brutal rape and murder and whine and slug out merits and demerits for reducing criminalization age..here is the Islamic republic of Iran that will make you puke:

minimum age of criminal responsibility, which is 15 for boys and nine for girls under Iranian law.

Iran allows Dads to marry their adopted Daughters aka Mohammeds example

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 02 Oct 2013 01:08

Here it is moot to point out that the founder of Mohammaddenism, per religious text of that faith, prevailed upon his adopted son Zayed aka Zaid to divorce his wife Zaynab bint Jash and then married her.

Zaynab Bint Jash was first cousin of the founder of islam., daughter of his aunt (father's sister i.e. Bhua, Bua in Indian languages).

He initially approached them for a marriage but they refused (in pre islamic time which is called Jahillya) as it was unthinkable and BAD (during Jahillya times) to marry the first cousins. So founder does this

1. He adopts a boy called Zayed (who practically grew up with him)., and then he told everybody "Zaid is his adopted son" which was allowed during Jahillya times. He get him wedded to his cousin Zaynab.

2. Then he goes to Zayed's room one day and sees scantily clothed Zaynab ., which causes Allah to reveal some new verses. The gist of these verses is

"Since your children must be born of you adoption is illegal meaning your adopted children are not really your children"
"Since adoption is illegal his divorced wife is legal to be married by legitimate"
"Allah says that Zaynab is made only for the last brophet"
"If allah's apostle can marry his first cousin so can all his followers"

and thus we have inbreds.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 02 Oct 2013 01:30

How old was Mohammed when he married Zaynab, he was 54 when Aisha was 6, and 57 when Aisha was 9 and he consummated his marriage with her. At 57 he also married Safiya whose family (includes Father, Husband, Brother) he beheaded the same day. Obviosuly according to Islamists Safiya fell in love with Mohammeds' charms the very day he executed her whole family, friends etc and his eyes fell on her and hers on his. This stuff jolts every sane nerve and neuron that a human possesses.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 02 Oct 2013 01:38

She was 20 years younger than the founder., born in 570 while Zaynab was born in 590 according to most resources. The second marriage of Zaynab happened in 625. i.e. 55 years old. right in the middle of the times when Allah's apostle had a Fiber channel linked with Allah for all communications.