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vishvak wrote:SaPa is facing brunt of attacks on Hindus. However notice how Muslim MLAs from across parties aren't facing any heat for lack of law and order and outright attacks on Hindus. Today it's SaPaa tomorrow may be another while taliban like attackers and their leaders will get away.

BJP government in various states has been accused of communal politics while Islamic vote bank politics and breakdown of law and order by religious fanatics is always shielded by silence of pseudo seculars.
That is the unwritten code in India.
  • 1.The responsibility of maintaining peace lies solely Hindus.
    2.Not unlike the expectation of Pakistan, that the responsibility of maintaining peace lies solely with India.
Those who agree with the above two points are secular. Those who do not are either jingo (2) or communal (1).
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^Its important (and natural) that artificial constructs like the SP and RJD which were born out of Mandal politics 25 yrs ago now die a natural death and leave the way open for an aar-paar ki political ladai between the natives and the psecs. Only.
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Mandal politics then something else tomorrow. SaPaa being clueless is another factor.

Focus on youth seems to be reserved for budhdhu and con race members, rest will be treated or mis-treated like Akhilesh.
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Hari Seldon wrote:^Its important (and natural) that artificial constructs like the SP and RJD which were born out of Mandal politics 25 yrs ago now die a natural death and leave the way open for an aar-paar ki political ladai between the natives and the psecs. Only.

You speak whats been on my mind for quite some time. Recall the MSY staement, some months ago, that he is compelled to suppoert INc because of CBI.

BJP, must target the SP/BSP as an extension of INC. With a clear linkage that any vote for these two is an indirect vote for INC. As they will support INC at all levels.

This way a four cornered contest needs to be reduced into a bipolar contest. The start ought to be made now.
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vishvak wrote:SaPa is facing brunt of attacks on Hindus. However notice how Muslim MLAs from across parties aren't facing any heat for lack of law and order and outright attacks on Hindus. Today it's SaPaa tomorrow may be another while taliban like attackers and their leaders will get away.

BJP government in various states has been accused of communal politics while Islamic vote bank politics and breakdown of law and order by religious fanatics is always shielded by silence of pseudo seculars.
SaPa facing brunt is by design. Mullahs have to gravitate 100% towards INC against Modi. Now Baba Ramdev will have to setup covert Yadav sammelans to make them vote for BJP. In a way UP is being Orchestrated as contest between INC+BSP Vs BJP. If SaPa by any means salami slices Mullahs it will be advantage BJP. Otherwise INC+BSP has a good advantage.
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Muppalla wrote:
vishvak wrote:SaPa is facing brunt of attacks on Hindus. However notice how Muslim MLAs from across parties aren't facing any heat for lack of law and order and outright attacks on Hindus. Today it's SaPaa tomorrow may be another while taliban like attackers and their leaders will get away.

BJP government in various states has been accused of communal politics while Islamic vote bank politics and breakdown of law and order by religious fanatics is always shielded by silence of pseudo seculars.
SaPa facing brunt is by design. Mullahs have to gravitate 100% towards INC against Modi. Now Baba Ramdev will have to setup covert Yadav sammelans to make them vote for BJP. In a way UP is being Orchestrated as contest between INC+BSP Vs BJP. If SaPa by any means salami slices Mullahs it will be advantage BJP. Otherwise INC+BSP has a good advantage.
As long as SP stays away from INC+BSP it's OK, otherwise it will be 93 like situation without RJB to counter it.
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N Chandrababu Naidu meets Rajnath Singh
The two leaders held almost an hour-long closed-door meeting at Rajnath Singh's residence here and Naidu later told reporters that he had briefed the BJP chief on the current situation in Andhra Pradesh arising after Telangana state creation announcement.

"This is not the time to discuss politics," Naidu said when asked if there was any possibility of the two parties getting together in any kind of alliance ahead or after next Lok Sabha elections.

When asked, Singh denied any talks of political alliances during their meeting today.
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So gpati was right!!!
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^^Makes eminent snse with 20/20 hindsight. Enemy's enemy's == friend and all. Both TD and BJP have the C-system as their prime foe. Makes sense for them to come to a covert understanding (at the least).

What shape or form this will take and what impact it'll have remains to be seen. Also, be sure that *every* state agency (and phoren ones as well) will be keenly watching and snooping around for advance gyan of such moves - early warning serves to put in place ways to torpedo emerging threats and all, after all. Nationalist folks need to put in several false starts, dead ends and general noise for misdirection purposes.
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ramana wrote:So gpati was right!!!
At least as things stand TDP+BJP is a huge possibility. The reasons are to bind both YSRJ and TRS to INC from TDP's point. The completely discredited INC's allies will bite the dust. If they go alone and congress can split their votes which is also an advantage to CBN. TDP's calculations are in right mode. All it needs is a plunge with a CBN+Modi rally.

But there are plots inside plots are going on. Even today If AP (divided or united) returns TDP+BJP it is curtains to Sonia.
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Muppalla wrote: SaPa facing brunt is by design. Mullahs have to gravitate 100% towards INC against Modi. Now Baba Ramdev will have to setup covert Yadav sammelans to make them vote for BJP. In a way UP is being Orchestrated as contest between INC+BSP Vs BJP. If SaPa by any means salami slices Mullahs it will be advantage BJP. Otherwise INC+BSP has a good advantage.
i do not agree, saar, see this is what a fly on the wall told me
Mulla yadav(MY) made a deal with "you know whom" to create some tensions in western UP there was to be tactical support from sarkar
this was to stop NaMo declared as the PM candidate and as a bonus MY would have scored browny points from RoP followers, you know who was to
bandage the so called low caste, RLD was suppose to woo the Jats that would have left bhajapa with insignificant numbers of brahmins and singhs to play with but these living in 70s era people failed to see that tis the year 2013 not 70ies or 2004 for that matter, people have wizened up particularly the so called dumb and dumber Jats have wizened up, it was these jats that counter attacked and guess what they did not counter attacked the RoP roving mobs but they attacked the wimmin folks and kids left behind while their mardfolks roved the town area, mulla makhi sent the gazi of them all mulla azam khan to rally the troops but whatever and however khan janab tried RoP kept running away and to top it all an Yindoo journo was killed while on duty the world knew this the world began wondering
wat in the name of all PC is going on in UP bechare sapa were discarded and you know which party began damage control, their phujai(seniors)visited the affected areas but were shouted at and black flaged so they onree visited RoP living in camps and went back,

every one here would say so wat, with RoP numbers INC and SaPa and BSP shall beat bhajapa, saar pliss to be looking at the reality
around 20% voter are RoP correct and they ain't gonna vote bhajapa, but the rest 80% saar? this 80% are the ones whose near and dear ones were killed and sapa and inc did not visit them or the media did not published it, these are the ones whose homes and farms and farming equipment were burnt to ashes, these are the 80% who are forced to live in tent houses living life of stone age, and they never got a mere mention any where, bhajapa people have been scurrying around helping them noiselessly who do you think gave them tents to put up?or who is providing the packed food and water and diapers and maggie masala packets?hain? tis bhajapa, and sapa are arresting bhajapa MLAs, and still the PhD and MBA media managers think this 80% are going to vote Sapa or bsp or inc, think again saar.
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niran sir, I wish and hope that you are right. I am very pessimistic regarding this aspect.
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Sapa goose is obviously cooked. Unless something very drastic happens (which may since congi dirty tricks department will be working overtime to engineer it) Sapa will get wiped off. The way it has been projected is that Sapa has done bad job protecting RoP and law and order situation. RoP votes are zero sum game and Rop will not vote Sapa. On the other hand Congi-BSP combo now has RoP and Mayawati's traditional Dalit vote bank. If Bhajapa has done a good job on the ground which looks like they have, they will eat into Jat votes. RLD's Ajit Singh will lose big. Yadav will vote Sapa. Mulla I think has done a good job protecting Yadav interests from Muslim interests. Yadavs generally are not on the receiving end of RoP and vice versa. BJP's big todo is to woo Yadav, other OBC and Dalit votes. Kalyan Singh needs to step up big in this area. As long as Yadav and Jat votes get divided between Sapa-RLD and Bhajapa and other hindus consolidate around Bhajapa UP can be turned around.
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Looking back at the recent riots. The more I look at them the more incomprehensible they become. It is almost as if, it was calculated to make sure that the SP get's hit and hit badly.

The tactical brilliance of the Muslim crowds at Jolly canal where they attacked the unarmed participants returning from the Maha Panchayat. The Jat response to the attack. Its has the look of a well planned operation.

It is possible that the Jats had a binary approach to the problem. Depending upon the response to the Mahapanchyat. If the admin listens to the real grievances and acts on them, problem solved.

Or the Muslims get brilliant. In which case the Jats had planned accordingly for an escalation as well.
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Lot of manna deaths in love jihadists is indicative of the fact that that Jats have hit back very hard. Now they are not going to go back to bhai chara rubbish in near future and manna gangs have to live camp life. Ajit Singh will be one who will be hit harder as he is no longer visible to protect jats. He should have need more active but seems to be over confident now a days.
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Pratyush wrote:Looking back at the recent riots. The more I look at them the more incomprehensible they become. It is almost as if, it was calculated to make sure that the SP get's hit and hit badly.

The tactical brilliance of the Muslim crowds at Jolly canal where they attacked the unarmed participants returning from the Maha Panchayat. The Jat response to the attack. Its has the look of a well planned operation.

It is possible that the Jats had a binary approach to the problem. Depending upon the response to the Mahapanchyat. If the admin listens to the real grievances and acts on them, problem solved.

Or the Muslims get brilliant. In which case the Jats had planned accordingly for an escalation as well.
Not just riots
First shinde's warning
Next paid media channels and magazines writing about Amit shah and Modi in UP can communalize
Next riots just before Modi elevation
Before even any one knows facts, IBN/NDTV/Outlook all blaming it on VHP and SP and BJP
Even NYtimes joined the party blaming Modi
SP hurting itself with their actions
Mulayam case dropped by CBI

The target is SP and I wonder Mulaym is included in The plan as a quid pro quo

Even after the India today sting, most papers ignore AZam khan and keep blaming BJP

SP arrests BJP MLAs
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This is all expected. But let me ask one question. Does UP voter give a s**t what NY times write? Love jihad is very serious issue for traditional places like UP. Kerala type sickular ideas will lead to serious back lash.
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AAP ka Baap shows its hand more clearly. Congressis now openly joining forces (Yogendra Yadav, Sen etc) now this

Aam Aadmi Party fields Ration Mafia from Uttam Nagar

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Narayana Rao wrote:This is all expected. But let me ask one question. Does UP voter give a s**t what NY times write? Love jihad is very serious issue for traditional places like UP. Kerala type sickular ideas will lead to serious back lash.
Also every time dimwits do this it makes it tougher for Hindus to hold on. See how pukis got control of Indus and fertile lands of Vangal during partition. Like color of skin infatuation this rioting is also burden of neo colonials.
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Sanku wrote:AAP ka Baap shows its hand more clearly. Congressis now openly joining forces (Yogendra Yadav, Sen etc) now this

Aam Aadmi Party fields Ration Mafia from Uttam Nagar
Where are those ardent love-AAP folks? Why this great anti-corruption crusader is making compromises?
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In Muzzafarnagar atrocities the murdered journalist's camera SD card is missing. SP, INC searching for it in kone, kone me! Film form the other journalist already confiscated.
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Narayana Rao wrote:This is all expected. But let me ask one question. Does UP voter give a s**t what NY times write? Love jihad is very serious issue for traditional places like UP. Kerala type sickular ideas will lead to serious back lash.
UP voter doesn't but it is critical to keep 5-10% of young voters who read English magazines/NYTimes from voting BJP. They have to either gravitate to some useless parties like AAP or COMMIES or not vote or vote to CON party with noses closed.
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Cong MP Who Wanted Probe Against Vadra Quits Party

http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=811197
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nageshks wrote: The KRRS members of north Karnataka have been very well integrated into the BJP. Don't see why those of south Karnataka cannot be integrated. In any case, there are plenty of socialists in the BJP, even now.
Nagesh avare,

Great writeup on KR. Thanks a lot for taking the time, crystallise your thoughts and writing out that extremely informative piece!

BTW at least one portal would like to reproduce that! Will that be okay with you? What should they do?
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Malayappan wrote:
nageshks wrote: The KRRS members of north Karnataka have been very well integrated into the BJP. Don't see why those of south Karnataka cannot be integrated. In any case, there are plenty of socialists in the BJP, even now.
Nagesh avare,

Great writeup on KR. Thanks a lot for taking the time, crystallise your thoughts and writing out that extremely informative piece!

BTW at least one portal would like to reproduce that! Will that be okay with you? What should they do?
Malayappan-avare,
No problem. They can go ahead and reproduce it. I would just say that it is my opinion - the opinion of an outside observer. I have no inside information from the BJP to counter-check my facts. It is what I have gleaned from papers, journals and conversations with other informed people.
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Is Pawar's NCP deserting the INC in Maharastra?
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^ All the scum will congregate just like $hit gets accumulated at end of a sewage treatment plant to uphold secularism they did it to ABV once they will do it without batting an eyelid to keep Modi out.
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ramana wrote:Is Pawar's NCP deserting the INC Cong(I) in Maharastra?
There corrected. Please accept my apologies on the above correction.

So sorry sir, but INC is not Congress(I). Calling the right party is the first step of the equation. The moment we say "INC" we associate it with the party of Subhash Chandra Bose and Tilak and Gandhi. Cong(I) is a party founded by Indira, it was a stump of the INC which has now become cancerous.
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^^ I personally prefer Jhujar avargal's "Xongi" to address congis and other similar dongis
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disha wrote:
ramana wrote:Is Pawar's NCP deserting the INC Cong(I) in Maharastra?
There corrected. Please accept my apologies on the above correction.

So sorry sir, but INC is not Congress(I). Calling the right party is the first step of the equation. The moment we say "INC" we associate it with the party of Subhash Chandra Bose and Tilak and Gandhi. Cong(I) is a party founded by Indira, it was a stump of the INC which has now become cancerous.
But Sonia/Amul baba Congress is different from even the Rajiv Gandhi or PVN.
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Cong (I) was Cong Indira from 1967 to 1995...1996-1998 was overt transition (covert started in 1984 when certain Italian was the most powerful person in India). Since 1998 Cong I stands for Congress Italian, it is not even similar to Congress that was in 1995. Cong (Indira) was way different than INC anyways.
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All the above does not answer my question? Is Pawar's NCP parting ways with the Sonia Gandhi's party!
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ramana wrote:All the above does not answer my question? Is Pawar's NCP parting ways with the Sonia Gandhi's party!
I don't think so. They are all in this game together.
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ramana wrote:All the above does not answer my question? Is Pawar's NCP parting ways with the Sonia Gandhi's party!
They are jockeying - or dancing or prancing around to get a better deal on seat sharing.
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They are all perpetually alert for power and loot. So they will ditch INC the moment it suits them.
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The latest on CongI-NCP tamasha:

1. CongIs told Pappu that NCP is not a dependable ally
2. Pappu told CongIs that it should strive to win seats on its own and does not have to depend on local allies.

So after great mutual back scratching., the question still remains - Is Pawar's NCP parting ways with the Sonia Gandhi's party?

The answer is no. NCP will support the most secular party in 2014. The most secular party is usually the largest party or the party that has the most chances to win.

NCP till that time will ensure the most to get most seats - through pre-poll, during-poll alliances with all parties - SS included.

Watch Pawar carefully - he is always blow hot blow cold on all sides.
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ramana wrote:All the above does not answer my question? Is Pawar's NCP parting ways with the Sonia Gandhi's party!
The deccan adilshah is bargaining only saar.. this is an invitation for a split within SS. A large section of leaders are waiting to jump into NCP. The former leader of opposition was one of them. His plan was thwarted few months ago by UT.

refer to my essay on namo thread.. these feudal lords are extremely territorial. They will jump in any party, as long as their jaagir is safe in their hands. Sharad Pawar left congress, and rode on the JP wave post emergency to stay in power and relevance. Later, he came back into CongI as if nothing happened and was directly appointed as CongI CM of MH.. slimey fella.. he is dying. But his system is well trained in this sort of guerrilla warfare.

lets see if this causes a split in SS or in MH-UPA.. If NCP parts ways with congIs now, contest against maino-kangress, what then? the anti-congi vote will split. It will not go to BJP (and allies) but most of it will go to new NCP.. but this is rare possibility..

It will be status quo only.. as i said in other dhaga - 25 maximum without MNS.. With MNS, 30 (if I am very optimistic then 32-34)..
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If it is status quo then what is advantage to regional satraps? CBI meherbaani? Status quo should be channelled to reinforce the state.
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