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http://www.treehugger.com/natural-scien ... -move.html
Entire village in India relocates so Nature can move in
Up until recently, the village of Ramdegi was a bustling farming community in central India's Tadoba-Andhari Tiger Reserve. Today, the village's human population stands at exactly zero, though its streets and fields are now teeming with a different kind of life.As part of an ongoing effort to reduce human conflict with wildlife, the Indian government has been encouraging communities living in and around nature reserves to relocate for the sake of peaceful coexistence -- and last month, everyone in Ramdegi did just that. Around 200 families agreed to accept incentive packages to move beyond the reserve's borders, freeing the land to be reclaimed by the surrounding biodiversity.It didn't take long before the village, now completely void of people, to be filled anew. A little over four weeks after the last human departed, Ramdegi is now home to herds of bisons, deer, antelope, and boars -- grazing on the budding meadows that were once cropland and cattle farms.Predators too, once reviled by villagers for killing their livestock, are returning to Ramdegi. According to the Times of India, even a tiger has been spotted prowling the grounds of the empty village, free from dangerous and often deadly conflicts with humans that have driven the species to 'endangered' status.This is not the first time an entire village has moved out so nature could move in. Across India, nearly a hundred communities have already voluntarily relocated to widen tiger reserves, and dozens more are expected to follow suit in the years to come.Human ingenuity may be unmatched in its ability to tame wild landscapes for our own ends -- but as Earth's other inhabitants struggle in the resulting wake, human capacity for compassion in making room for nature just might prove to be the greatest quality of all.
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We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.

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From Reggie:

They already have wiki page on Western Uttar Pradesh:!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Uttar_Pradesh
Demographics[
The population of Western Uttar Pradesh is composed of a varied set of communities and tribes, including Ahirs, Brahmins, Dalits, Gujjars, Jats, Jatavs, Rajputs, Rohilla Pashtuns, Chamars, Tyagis and Yadavs.[6] Jats make up around 30% of the population of western Uttar Pradesh.[7] These various castes are concentrated in this region and "comprise nearly 40 per cent of the population in Meerut, Muzaffarnagar, Saharanpur, and Bijnor districts" of Western Uttar Pradesh.[6][8]

Muslims are between 40% [9] ,Dalits 10%, Brahmins and Rajputs together the remaining 20% in western Uttar Pradesh.[10][11] As per 2001 Census, Muslims and Jatavs together form 34-62% population in Budaun, Saharanpur, Muzaffarnagar, Bijnor, Moradabad, Jyotiba Phule Nagar, Rampur, Bareilly, Pilibhit, Meerut, Bulandshahr and Baghpat.[12] Although Hindus are in a large majority, the percentage of Muslims in Western Uttar Pradesh (estimated to be in the 25%-34% range) is higher than in Uttar Pradesh as a whole (where it is 17%).[13][14] Several communities are bi-religious, with both Hindu and Muslim components, e.g. the Tyagi Brahmins who have a Muslim Tyagi subcommunity although they are largely Hindu.[15]

The region's Rohillas are descended from immigrant groups from centuries ago, and a large subregion of Western Uttar Pradesh, Rohilkhand, takes its name from that Pashtun tribe.[16]

Sikhs from West Punjab, which came from Pakistan after partition, also migrated to the area in large numbers.[17]
Point is they are subdividing the Hindu identity and clustering the others.
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X-posted:

"Quisling" Singh to betray the nation and parliament for his US masters?


http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/m ... epage=true

Manmohan may carry nuclear liability dilution as gift for U.S. companies
Manmohan may carry nuclear liability dilution as gift for U.S. companies

Sandeep Dikshit J. Venkatesan

It is for operator to exercise ‘right of recourse’ under section 17 of Civil Liability for Nuclear Damage Act

Under sustained pressure from the Obama administration, the Manmohan Singh government is looking to use the opinion of the Attorney- General to effectively neutralise a key provision of India’s nuclear liability law that would hold American reactor suppliers liable in the event of an accident caused by faulty or defective equipment.

In an opinion to the Department of Atomic Energy, which referred the matter to him on September 4, Goolam Vahanvati has said it is for the operator of a nuclear plant in India to decide whether it wished to exercise the ‘right of recourse’ provided to it by section 17 of the Civil Liability for Nuclear Damage Act.

The AG’s opinion effectively paves the way for the Nuclear Power Corporation of India Ltd, which will operate any nuclear plant using imported reactors, to repudiate a right that Parliament explicitly wrote into section 17(b) of the law to ensure that foreign suppliers don’t get away scot-free if a nuclear accident is traced back to “equipment or material with patent or latent defects or sub standard services.”

American nuclear vendors Westinghouse and GE have lobbied hard with Washington and Delhi to have this provision amended or removed. Though India has publicly stuck to the line that dilution of this provision is not possible, Mr. Vahanvati’s view opens a door for the government to accommodate the U.S. demand when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh meets President Barack Obama on September 27.

Reiterating the opinion he gave to the government in October 2012 in the context of the Inter-Governmental Agreement between India and Russia, Mr Vahanvati noted, “Section 17(a) provides for recourse if such right is expressly provided for in a contract in writing. If the operator chooses not to incorporate such a provision in the contract, it would be open for him to do so.”

In its reference to the AG, the DAE had sought confirmation “regarding the presumption that the existing provisions of section 17 of the Act facilitate the operator either to exercise his ‘right of recourse’ by incorporating a clause in the contract or to waive his right or to limit the liability on the part of the supplier.”

The AG endorsed the view expressed by the Ministry of External Affairs in an internal note that “a right was given to the operator to have recourse against the supplier but there was no mandatory obligation or requirement for the operator to do so and that the operator could choose not to exercise that right.”

The AG’s view is likely to be challenged by the opposition, since section 17 grants the operator the right of recourse under one of three conditions: (a) if the right is expressly provided for in writing; (b) if the accident is caused by faulty material or equipment provided by the supplier; or (c) the accident results from an act of commission or omission of an individual done with intent to cause nuclear damage.

Since 17(b) suggests Parliament intended to hold suppliers responsible even if there is no contractual liability, it is not clear how a public sector undertaking like NPCIL, which is answerable to Parliament, could give its suppliers a free pass.

In 2008, India had promised American companies 10,000 MWe worth of contracts for setting up nuclear power plants in return for the U.S. administration helping to end the country’s nuclear isolation.

Now, five years later, NPCIL and Westinghouse are set to sign an agreement that in theory will give the American company the go ahead to begin work on its proposed nuclear power park in Mithi Virdi, Gujarat.

Keen to improve the ‘atmospherics’ around the signing of the pact, likely to be on the day Dr. Singh and Mr. Obama meet at the White House, the government is asking NPCIL to announce $100-175 million as the first token payment for the Gujarat reactor.
PS:This is incredible il-logic by the AG.The "Operator" has a far greater right than Parliament that represents the supreme will of the Indian people! The Opposition must resist this betrayal of parliament and the nation with maximum force.And just look at the freebie gift of hundreds of millions of moolah to the Yanqui nuclear MNCs when the country is in its worst ever eco crisis.
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This fellow is in the thick of the things. he has given so many convenient legal opinions to Congis in Govt. he is a fit case for UAPA.
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I have faith that Lord Rama exists: Solicitor General Mohan Parasaran

#Respect
Solicitor General Mohan Parasaran has declined to appear before Supreme Court on the Ram Sethu case.

"I have faith that Lord Rama exists and he used this bridge,' he said. UPA Govt today asked Constitutional expert Rajeev Dhawan to appear for the shipping ministry now.
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Extent of NSA metadata swoop suggests access to Indian operators.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/i ... elatedNews
As fresh details emerge regarding the extent of the National Security Agency’s snooping on India, the mystery of roughly 6.2 billion bits of metadata accessed from India by the NSA through its Boundless Informant programme in one month remains unsolved.

India has roughly 700 million mobile phones, of which less than 5 million have international long distance (ILD) connectivity. These numbers, after adding those called in the U.S., even over an entire year, still do not exceed a few million. Even if all repeated calls back and forth between Indian citizens, business and families were taken into consideration, it would still not exceed a few million call data records (CDRs).

While U.S. carriers have maintained a studied silence on the issue, their position has been that such information relating to calls to and from the U.S. falls within the jurisdiction of U.S.-NSA, similar to the jurisdiction that Indian authorities have over such numbers and CDRs stored with mobile and long distance operators such as Bharti, Reliance, Tatas, BSNL, MTNL, Uninor and Vodafone.

One scenario treads a dangerous premise. The bulk of the 6.2 billion pieces of telephone metadata could relate to domestic telephone traffic between Indian cities. Telecom traffic is almost entirely on the network of large Indian carriers, who also have National Long Distance (NLD) licences for voice or goes through NIXI for Internet traffic. For this data to be a part of the metadata, the NSA must have had some way to access this traffic, either with the collaboration of Indian telecom operators or through some other technical means.

This possibility not only significantly compromises India’s network security but also national security, since domestic call records could relate to top secret calls between politicians, bureaucrats and armed forces officials who lead India’s strategic defence planning. This cohort tends to routinely communicate with others who are not on government dedicated networks.

Govt. denies threat

Meanwhile, the Indian government remains convinced that this episode has not compromised the privacy of Indian citizens in any way.

In response to a question raised by The Hindu on why the government was not taking the U.S. surveillance programs seriously even though it had purportedly compromised the safety of millions of Indians, Telecom & IT Minister Kapil Sibal on Friday said that the U.S. government had informed India that the monitoring only involved looking at trends for indications of aberrations.

“This is not surveillance,” Mr. Sibal emphasised. “However, if we find that content and data has or is being accessed by any other nation, we will oppose it tooth and nail. We are not in the least ambivalent about that.”

Earlier, the government had taken much the same position in Parliament in response to a direct question relating to PRISM.
* Naturally the GOI does not see any threat because "Big Brother" is alleged to be passing on detailed info to the regime for its own vested interests! It would appear that the regime has "outsourced" its domestic spying to the Yanquis who have better technical capabilities.
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Great interview by Shri. Bharat Verma garu..

part -1


part-2
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I think UPA outsourced/compromised the entire Indian telecom network to US as part of CBMs
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Solicitor General Mohan Parasaran:

I withdraw from SethuSamduram case as I believe in Lord Ram

Is he former SG Parasaran's son?
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I'm probably going to receive a lot of brickbats for saying this but here goes.

I've never understood the prevalent BRF position on the Setusamudram case. In the Ramayana, the bridge is nothing more than a means for Lord Ram to reach his destination. It was basically an engineering solution to a logistical/navigational problem in a military campaign. The bridge can no longer be used now since most of it is under water. So why the opposition to the canal project? I don't think even Lord Ram will an issue with anybody destroying it, since it is an inanimate object which already served its purpose thousands of years ago.
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nachiket wrote:I'm probably going to receive a lot of brickbats for saying this but here goes.

I've never understood the prevalent BRF position on the Setusamudram case. In the Ramayana, the bridge is nothing more than a means for Lord Ram to reach his destination. It was basically an engineering solution to a logistical/navigational problem in a military campaign. The bridge can no longer be used now since most of it is under water. So why the opposition to the canal project? I don't think even Lord Ram will an issue with anybody destroying it, since it is an inanimate object which already served its purpose thousands of years ago.
You are absolutely right. Bhagavan Rama will not have any issue with that. It is the cultural heritage of Bharatiya civilization and 800+ million Hindus will have a problem with it.

It is as valuable as, to put in secular words, St.Francis Church or Basilica of Bom Jesus or Mecca Masjid or Jama Masjid or Tajmahal or Qutb Minar or Humayun tomb etc., which are nothing but few buildings meant for living quarters and community meetings. Perhaps we should bulldoze all these places first before thinking about Setusamudram canal.

In addition to that there are some important issues as well with Setusamudram project.
- Will it destroy/disturb the marine life?
- Will it make the west coast vulnerable to Tsunamis?

P.S: Let us not go down to economics argument. We can sell our women to make better money than Setusamudram Canal, and I can show you how it has a better ROI.
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Wht is this polarizing crap now being used as a cliche by the MSM. The most non-polarized states in history have been North Korea, Saudi Barbaria, Stalinist Russia, Maoist China, Saddams Iraq, Gaddafi's Libya, Sadats Egypt. The most polarized states have always been the best functional democracies. We need more polarization not less. :)
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Don't know if we had an Aadhar Thread. But is relevant to Indian Interests.

Supreme Court’s order trashes UPA’s Aadhaar logic
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ramana wrote:I think UPA outsourced/compromised the entire Indian telecom network to US as part of CBMs

Here is the clue for why the MMS allowed US to snoop on India. Its obvious the servers are being tapped in India to enable such high data traffic.

Hindu reports

US NSA targets Indian Politics, Space and N programs

Wonder what GOI high honchos from NSA onwards with gmail account think of this!!!!

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The public assertions made by Indian and American officials that no content was taken from India’s internet and telephone networks by U.S.’s National Security Agency (NSA) and that the American surveillance programs just looked at “patterns of communication” as a counter-terrorism measure are far from the truth, if not outright misleading.

According to a top secret document disclosed by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden and obtained by The Hindu, the PRISM programme was deployed by the American agency to gather key information from India by tapping directly into the servers of tech giants which provide services such as email, video sharing, voice-over-IPs, online chats, file transfer and social networking services.

And, according to the PRISM document seen by The Hindu, much of the communication targeted by the NSA is unrelated to terrorism, contrary to claims of Indian and American officials.

Instead, much of the surveillance was focused on India’s domestic politics and the country’s strategic and commercial interests.

This is the first time it’s being revealed that PRISM, which facilitates extensive, in-depth surveillance on live communications as well as stored information, was used by the world’s largest surveillance organization to intercept and pick content on at least three issues related to India’s geopolitical and economic interests. They are: Nuclear, Space and Politics.

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In a section titled “India”, the document clearly mentions numerous subjects about which content was picked from various service providers on the worldwide web in just one week early this year.


This document is strong evidence of the fact that NSA surveillance in India was not restricted to tracking of phone calls, text messages and email logs by Boundless Informant, an NSA tool that was deployed quite aggressively against India. “As politics, space and nuclear are mentioned as “end products” in this document, it means that emails, texts and phones of important people related to these fields were constantly monitored and intelligence was taken from them, and then the NSA prepared official reports on the basis of raw intelligence. It means, they are listening in real time to what our political leaders, bureaucrats and scientists are communicating with each other,” an official with an India intelligence agency told The Hindu, speaking strictly on condition of anonymity.


But, top ministers and officials have continued to live in denial.


After it was reported by The Guardian on June 7 that the PRISM program allowed the NSA “to obtain targeted communications without having to request them from the service providers and without having to obtain individual court orders”, both U.S. and Indian officials claimed that no content was being taken from the country’s networks and that the programs were intended to “counter terrorism”.


Kerry’s dissembling


During his visit to New Delhi on June 24 to take part in the India-U.S. Strategic Dialogue, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry denied that the American agency programmes were accessing online content. “It does not look at individual emails. It does not listen to people’s telephone conversation. It is a random survey by computers of anybody’s telephone, of just the numbers and not even the names…It takes those random numbers and looks whether those random numbers are connected to other numbers, that they know, by virtue of other intelligence, linked to terrorists in places where those terrorists operate,” Mr. Kerry had said, stressing that only when an “adequate linkage” is formed, the authorities go to a special court to get permission to obtain further data.


Even Indian officials have been repeating these lines since the NSA activities in India were disclosed. Replying to a question in Rajya Sabha on August 26, Communications and Information Technology Minister Kapil Sibal said the U.S. agencies only “trace origin and destination of the data, but never try to get access to the content, which requires a court approval”. “It would be a matter of concern for government if intrusive data capture has been deployed against Indian citizens or government infrastructure. Government has clearly conveyed these concerns to the U.S. government,” the minister had said, adding that the violation of any Indian law relating to privacy of information of ordinary Indian citizens by surveillance programs was “unacceptable”.


This “unacceptable” line might have been crossed by the NSA millions of times through the PRISM program as, according to the documents disclosed by Mr. Snowden, it is able to reach directly into the servers of the tech companies that are part of the programme and obtain data as well as perform real-time collection on targeted users. “The National Security Agency has obtained direct access to the systems of Google, Facebook, Apple and other U.S. internet giants,” The Guardian had said in its June 7 report, quoting from a 41-slide PowerPoint presentation which was apparently used to train intelligence operatives on the capabilities of the program.


Foreigners are fair game


Tech firms have denied that they allow unfettered access to the NSA. In strongly worded denials of participation in any government surveillance program, they have claimed they allow access to any data to the agency only when required by law.


Here lies the catch. Contrary to denials by tech firms and claims by India’s communication minister that the U.S. agency “requires a court approval” to look into any online content, the NSA used the changes in U.S. surveillance law that allows for the targeting of any customers of participating firms “who live outside the US, or those Americans whose communications include people outside the US”. This law, known as FISA Amendment Act or FAA, was introduced by President George W Bush and renewed under President Barack Obama in December 2012, allows for electronic surveillance on anyone who is “reasonably believed” to be outside the U.S.


No Indian citizen, government department or organisation has any legal protection from NSA surveillance. In a Joint Statement from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the National Security Agency on August 21, 2013, it was stated that “FISA is designed to allow the U.S. Government to acquire foreign intelligence while protecting the civil liberties and privacy of Americans.”


So the NSA had no obstacle — technical or legal — in deploying the PRISM tool against India and Indian citizens. Armed with the FAA and with the active cooperation of the world’s biggest internet brands, the NSA was able to tap specific intelligence from India about the issues which have huge implications for its strategic interests in India. While India’s “nuclear” and “space” programmes have clearly significant commercial value for American firms, the surveillance of “politics” has huge implications for its foreign policy objectives in the region.

{Just stop a minute and think. That much data is tapped only with servers in India. Its not a tap on a undersea cable. UPA govt allowed this willingly. Talk to the NSAs both serving and past.}



“If Americans are listening to our politicians and tapping the phones or reading mails of individuals who handle nuclear and space programmes, they have huge advantage over us in all business and diplomatic negotiations. Even before we go to the table, they know what we are going to put on it. It’s not just violation of our sovereignty, it’s a complete intrusion into our decision-making process,” said a senior official of the Ministry of Home Affairs, who admitted in private that the reports about the scale of NSA surveillance have “rattled” the government. :rotfl:

{How innocent! Must be surfing bad Internet sites}



The NSA document also has names of several Asian, African and Latin American countries from where the American agency picked data about subjects ranging from oil to WTO to government policies, making it clear that the NSA spying was focused on commercial and business areas, and not on its stated objective of national security. “If the American intelligence agencies and business corporations are hunting in pairs, we are bound to lose,” added the Indian official. :mrgreen:


More than anything, the targeting of India’s politics and space programme by the NSA busts the myth of close strategic partnership between India and US. The document seen by The Hindu is populated with the countries that are generally seen as adversarial by America. When the PRISM program was disclosed first time in June, a U.S. official had said that information “collected under this program is among the most important and valuable intelligence information we collect, and is used to protect our nation from a wide variety of threats.”
The bigger scandal would be the GOI enabled this monitoring by US as a CBM for their fake deal.
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Archappeaser Manmohan Singh has lowered India.
By N.V. Subramanian (20 September 2013)

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New Delhi: There is a variety of prime minister who may be called a World Bank or International Monetary Fund prime minister. He has no roots in the country, is scarcely engaged with its politics and culture, and remains alienated from the people for all the years in office. On the other hand, he is solely beholden to those that managed his appointment, the international financial institutions, which then proceed to press their extortionate claims, which are eagerly and obligingly accepted and provisioned. At a remove stands the United States, masked in fraudulent liberalism, which underwrites all such political shenanigans, and makes windfall gains in the process.

Since as long as one remembers, it was generally felt that even the most promising candidate could not become prime minister of India without the United States’ approval. Perhaps Indira Gandhi was the last exception to this rule, and the United States tried its utmost to destabilize her government. Her more significant successors thought it advisable and expedient to keep America on their side, sometimes willingly, and often due to compulsions. Prospective prime minister candidates have also made pilgrimages to Washington to stake their claim to the corner office in South Block, but America is not always easily wooed.

When Manmohan Singh was drafted as finance minister, he was not P.V.Narasimha Rao’s first choice, it being Indraprasad Gordhanbhai Patel, who for his own reasons turned down the job. Patel described Manmohan Singh as an overrated economist and an underrated politician and ten years of the United Progressive Alliance government under his leadership entirely have proved that. But even when he was first appointed, the corridors of power were full of insinuations about his World Bank-International Monetary Fund backing, and his receipt of the United States’ wholehearted blessings. As finance minister, among other things, he choked funding for the Department of Energy’s thorium-based three-stage nuclear power programme which should keep India, on a conservative estimate, energy self-sufficient for 400 years. That subsequently as prime minister he buried the indigenous thorium project for uranium-dependent imported reactors, principally from the United States, is all of a piece. The Indo-US nuclear deal was designed to kill the country’s home-grown technology, make it reliant on foreign uranium fuel, and thereby open the way for the cap-and-rollback of the strategic nuclear programme. The nuclear pact incorporates a voluntary no-test undertaking from India, whose fusion weapons direly need a second round of explosive detonations to remain credible deterrents. Based on the Bhopal gas tragedy experience, the Indian Parliament passed a tough nuclear liability law. Acutely distressed because it frightened American reactor manufacturers, Manmohan Singh is determined to dilute it.

Manmohan Singh is controlled by two bosses. One we all know and denounce with perfect justification. The other is the United States. People of a certain age would remember the Richie Rich comics and dollar signs showing in the eyes of some of its greedy characters. Manmohan Singh is right out of such a comic book, except that he is a deadly serious compromiser.

For nearly twenty days, it now transpires, the ministry of external affairs was in a tizzy trying to arrange a lunch meeting for Manmohan Singh with president Barack Obama. There is nothing Manmohan Singh brings to the table, except ten years of failure, and Obama anyhow had a full calendar, and had just put behind the Syria mess, where Vladimir Putin had brilliantly upstaged him. Obama was not ready for a lunch with Manmohan Singh. He was plainly uninterested. There was to be a forty-five minute meeting and that was that. The foreign office got into a pleading game. The prime minister’s image would plummet without a lunch. Breaking bread with the American president would vastly improve his standing. The United States was unmoved.

And then the Indian side came up with offers to purchase more Hercules transporters, American attack and heavy-lift helicopters, and howitzers. The Americans began relenting. To crown the appeasement effort, India offered to dilute the Indian nuclear liability law to clear the way for American reactor manufacturers. As expected, a nationwide controversy has been triggered by this decision, reminiscent of the contentious Indo-US nuclear deal, but no one is questioning the Hercules and other acquisitions especially as a means to procure a lunch meeting with Barack Obama.

Would Manmohan Singh stoop so low? This is answered by his determination to pursue peace with Nawaz Sharief despite evidence of Pakistan’s growing inimicality as it sees new opportunities arising against India as the Americans leave Afghanistan. Manmohan Singh is ready and willing to ignore all this and extend a friendly hand to the enemy for a prize that is unbelievably meagre. He is desperate to visit his ancestral village of Gah in Pakistan’s Punjab one last time before demitting office.

The prime minister, all in all, has terribly lowered India, weakened it, and made it vulnerable. In this context, one is reminded of Leo Amery’s outburst against Neville Chamberlain, Hitler’s appeaser, after the failed Norway campaign. Echoing Oliver Cromwell, Amery said, “You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.”

Go, prime minister.

Spare the country further ignominy.

http://www.newsinsight.net/Archappeaser.aspx
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NVS is only echoing what we've been saying for a decade now on BR! Time for the Quisling and his friang boss to "Quit India".Never has India's prestige in global affairs fallen so low than under this IMF babu PM.Small fry dots on the map like the Maldives take us to task,and whenever Uncle Sam farts in our direction,our beloved PM kneels in obeisance! The imminent threat for India is a resurgent Pak,esp. in Afghanistan,fully supported by the nation closest to his heart,the US.

Here is an interview with the eminent US expert on strategic affairs and terror,Yossef Bodansky on India's indecision in regional and global affairs. It is ascathing attack on India's impotent foreign policy,diplomacy and lack of strategic thinking under the UPA led by the ex-IMF babu.

‘India must decide what role it will play as land power’
Sep 24, 2013 - Indranil Banerjie
Yossef Bodansky, former director of theUnited States Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare at the US House of Representatives, is an old South Asia hand, who had first warned of the Pakistan-China nexus in the 1990s.

He was also the first analyst to warn the world about Osama bin Laden and the Islamist terrorist network. Bodansky, who has written extensively on India and interacted with senior Indian officials over the years, believes that India has failed to take the strategic initiative that the post-Cold War period opened up and hence has witnessed a failure of its Afghan policy among others. Bodansky has been the director of research at the International Strategic Studies Association (ISSA), as well as a senior editor for the Defense & Foreign Affairs group of publications, since 1983. He stayed on as a special adviser to Congress until January 2009. In the mid 1980s, he acted as a senior consultantfor the US department of defense and the department of state. He is the author of 11 books —including Bin Laden: TheMan Who Declared War on America (New York Times No.1 bestseller & Washington Post No.1 bestseller), The Secret History of the Iraq War (New York Times bestseller & Foreign Affairs Magazine bestseller), and Chechen Jihad: Al Qaeda’sTraining Ground and the Next Wave of Terror — and hundreds of articles, book chapters and Congressional reports. Mr Bodansky is a director at the Prague Society for International Cooperation, and serves on the Board of the Global Panel Foundation and several other institutions worldwide.
Here he talks about India’s Afghan policy and geopolitical issues with Indranil Banerjie.

Q: How is India’s Afghanistan policy viewed in the West?

A: New Delhi needs to see the bigger strategic picture. What New Delhi needs to understand is that the world is changing and is finally starting to re-assert itself in the post-Cold War period. The interim period is coming to an end and a lot of countries are trying to search out a future for themselves.
India is trying to find a future through the BRICS but is failing to understand that the BRICS has strategic implications as well. Each BRICS member is seeking to find its geopolitical and geo-economic interests.
India needs to understand where it stands and until it does that its regional activities are meaningless. These regional activities are not an end in themselves and cannot take place in isolation.
BRICS nations are not equal; China and Russia are bigger. Russia has a clear place: it is part of the industrialised north world and one of the poles of the heartland states. China, on the other hand, is a land power that has been able to assert itself in Asia.
Question is what is India? India is a huge subcontinent; it is the focal point of the Indian Ocean, and together with China, one of the two big powers of Asia.
India has to decide first whether it is a continental power, a littoral power or a link between the two. India has to decide what role it wishes to play; nobody can assign India a role in global affairs. Thereafter, India needs to develop relations according to its chosen role. And India needs to initiate relationships depending on where it is going as a regional and a world power.
For instance, India cannot allow the Indian Ocean to be dominated by another power. The commerce between the Far East, Europe and the Middle East is crucial. Hence, either India choses to secure these Indian Ocean routes as a maritime power or else someone else will. If that happens then the third party that secures the Indian Ocean would have a vested interest in containing India. But whether India wants to be the dominant maritime power in the India Ocean is a decision that can only be made by New Delhi.
At the same time, India is also a land power with its northern part sticking into Central Asia. Now India also needs to decide what kind of role it wishes to play as a land power. India either has to make a deal with China on the latter’s terms or else it has to reach out to Russia or other powers to compete with China. There is no other alternative as China is the rising hegemon which is increasingly talking in terms of its historic empire that once ruled most of Asia.
India and Israel are two countries that have civilisations with political character going back thousands of years or as long as China’s. India’s civilisation will not accept China’s civilizational hegemony.
China knows this and that it cannot make a deal with India on its terms. Therefore, it seeks to stifle India and prevent it from rising. The troubles on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) serve to remind India who is the boss. To take on China, India would have to develop an assertive regional posture and challenge China and its regional alliances in Central and West Asia where the Chinese have a lot at stake. Russia is a potential ally but Russia will not do the job for India. India will benefit from co-operation with Russia which has an interest in containing China in West and Central Asia but much less interest in containing China in Leh and Srinagar.
To repeat what I was saying since the early 1990’s, India must carve for itself a regional strategic role and assertive presence.
Once the West needs India strategically and economically, it will pay attention to, and recognise, India’s regional interests and aspirations (such as Afghanistan). Presently, India is passive and reactive —so what’s the point paying attention or doing something for India? In contrast —China is holding the West hostage by its economic leverage and won’t let the West forget for a second, and Pakistan —China’s preeminent protégé and proxy —is threatening to blow-up anything and everything as the region’s madman —so why pick-up fight with the two?

Q: Where does Afghanistan fit into this equation?

A: India needs to look at Afghanistan in terms of its grand strategic vision. Pakistan is a small country; it is an army with a failed state. One reason why Pakistan survives is because of China’s investments in its nuclear capabilities and its economy both aimed at stifling India. China can constantly divert India’s attention by making Pakistan do something or other like border firing, infiltrating terrorists or carrying out a spectacular terrorist strike.
India’s fixation on a zero sum game with Pakistan is meaningless. India needs to look at its policies with its western neighbours in terms of its grand strategy and not by being reactive. A lot of Indian activities in Afghanistan are aimed to give Pakistan a hard time. Nothing wrong with this —but strategically it is meaningless.
On the other hand, if India can work out a larger posture in Central Asia, Iran and the Middle East, preferably in conjunction with Russia, and also dominate the Indian Ocean till the tip of Africa, then it would also have a say in what is happening to the west of Pakistan.
The key question is: Will India be stifled by Pakistan, a subcontractor of China, which is the current situation, or will India stifle Pakistan at land and sea because India is the regional power that is stifling China and not just its agent Pakistan?
It is high time that India starts thinking of where it is going as a global and not regional power or just another Third World country. Once it does that then its policies vis-à-vis Pakistan and Afghanistan should be adapted into its lager overall policy.


Q: Does Washington accept Islamabad’s view that New Delhi is using Afghanistan to de-stabilise Pakistan?

A: Yes. Obama’s Washington is even more hostile to New Delhi than Islamabad. Today, India is using Afghanistan to get at Pakistan. But that is not strategy; it is just another pissing match. It is irrelevant in global terms. From the US point of view, India’s insistence in being in Afghanistan interferes with its aims to hand over Afghanistan to Pakistan and China.

Q: But why would the United States want to do this?

A: Why not? If we make a deal with Pakistan, the Taliban will not shoot at our troops and we can leave peacefully. India, on the other hand, does not play a role as a global power so why should we take it seriously.

Q: A number of US commentators in recent times have suggested that Pakistan’s obsession with Afghanistan can be resolved if the Kashmir issue is sorted out once and for all with India. Do you believe that a Kashmir “solution” will end Pakistan’s preoccupation with Afghanistan?

A: Obama’s Washington wants Kashmir resolved in Pakistan’s favour —Afghanistan or no Afghanistan.
India is so passive that the United States feels it can pressure India to make concessions in Kashmir so that the US can get a better deal with Pakistan. Kashmir should not be on the menu but it is. Large swathes of Siberian territory owned by Russia are claimed by China but the United States never dares to tell Russia to cede any territory to China so that the US gets a better economic deal with China. But the state department does think that India can be pressured to compromise on Kashmir and thereby secure a better deal for Washington with the Pakistanis. Such a thing would be inconceivable if India was a world power.
When Pakistani terrorists attacked the India parliament, the United States told India that it dare not attack Pakistan. India has brought this upon itself by being passive. It is fighting for crumbs in Afghanistan.

Q: Why has the US been reluctant to accept a greater Indian role in Afghanistan?

A: We want China (that can help with Iran) and its proxy Pakistan.

Q: Is the view that Washington is prepared to cut a deal with Pakistan and the Quetta Shura at any cost credible?

A: Yes.

Q: Despite being aware that Pakistan has directly or indirectly aided the insurgency in Afghanistan, Washington seems to be going out of its way to cede control of south and eastern Afghanistan to Pakistan. What precisely is the strategic thinking behind these moves? And do you believe that such a move will stabilise Afghanistan and Pakistan?

A: This is what Pakistan wants and this is what will make China happy.

Q: Do you believe that Washington will pull out all troops from Afghanistan by 2014 if the Bilateral Security Agreement with Kabul is not signed within the next few months?

A: Obama wants Zero Troops. He’ll withdraw if he can whatever the excuse.

Q: Would a small contingent of about 10,000 US troops and air force elements be able to stabilise Afghanistan with the help of the Afghan security forces post 2014?

A: Well over 1,00,000 troops failed. So why should 10,000 have any impact? If any soldier remains —it will be a symbolic gesture.

Q: The Pakistan government despite promising all help to President Karzai to re-start the peace process have decided not to release pro-talk Taliban leaders such as Mullah Baradar. They have released a total of about 26 low level Taliban and claim they have done their bit to facilitate talks. Do you believe that the Pakistani establishment will allow direct talks between the Taliban and the Kabul regime?

A: Karzai is a nobody that everybody—including Obama’s Washington —knows by now. Who cares what Karzai was told or promised? Pakistan (the ISI) is building a regional network based on tribal and “Taliban” chiefs that will control most of Afghanistan. The ISI already does so for all intent and purpose.

Q: India has helped Afghanistan with a number of developmental projects but has publicly espoused a “keep our heads down” policy in Afghanistan. Do you think this policy has worked?

A: No. The Afghans are not masters of their own destiny. India’s efforts failed to convince the US that it has a legitimate role in Afghanistan. It has been a near total waste.
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No wonder we allow friang nations to trample all over us with our desi infighting.We have little time to watch events on our borders.The wretched saga of the BCCI with its disgraced petit "Napoleon",Srinivasan,clinging on despite stinking of the sewer,is another case in point.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 37289.html
Dirty tricks and private parties marr elections at Delhi’s elite Gymkhana Club
Glamour and gutter politics clash as four candidates vie to head the 100-year-old high-life establishment
Andrew Buncombe

Delhi
Tuesday 24 September 2013

With India’s current Prime Minister and Vice-President among its members and with a history dating back to the British Raj, the Delhi Gymkhana Club has always fancied itself as the most elite of the capital’s social establishments. For the military officers, bureaucrats and other VIPs who enjoy its dining rooms and quiet, clipped lawns, the election of its president is an important fixture in the calendar.

But this year, with the club located in the heart of Lutyens’ Delhi celebrating its centenary, and with the candidates including a former spy chief and a serving senior civil servant, the election has taken an controversial turn. There have been allegations of “dirty tricks” and claims that some candidates are trying to lure supporters with glamorous drinks parties.

The candidates in the four-way contest are Vijay Chhibber, a senior civil servant in the department of transport; Avtar Singh Dulat, a former head of the research and analysis wing of India’s foreign intelligence agency; retired senior police officer BL Vohra, and Urmila Gupta, a former senior official at Doordarshan, India’s state broadcaster. If Ms Gupta wins, she would be the first woman president in the club’s 100-year history.

Ahead of Friday’s ballot by the 5,600 potential voting members, Indian newspapers have been trying to guess the outcome with most reckoning the race will come down to a battle between Mr Chhibber, 58, and Mr Dulat, 72, who has previously served as president. They have also contained details of receptions in five-star hotels being thrown by some of the candidates. High-end linen has been washed in public.

On Tuesday Mr Vohra said that, unlike his three opponents, he had not thrown any parties. He said he was also unhappy that Mr Dulat, who was once former prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee’s adviser on Kashmir, was seeking a second term.

“I’d say it is rather sad what has happened,” he said. “The other three are giving lavish parties. It should be based on merit... [But] it’s like buying votes with liquor.”

Mr Dulat, 72, said he had been hosting parties for potential supporters but said there had been “nothing outside of the club”. He said seeking a second term was within the club’s rules.

Ms Gupta, who said women have only been able to vote at the club since 1985, said that whereas the club’s officers were once elected over handshakes and a spirit of good-will, the last few elections had been increasingly aggressive. She said the “dirty tricks departments” of the main candidates were making claims about the others.

She said Mr Dulat and Mr Chhibber had held dozens of parties. She had one party thrown for her by an old friend, she said. “Certain factions are out to settle scores,” said Ms Gupta, who has been a club member for 34 years.

Mr Chhibber agreed a dirty tricks campaign had been underway, and said he had been the victim.

“It’s very true. I’m surprised that people are resorting to this,” he said. He claimed Mr Dulat was breaking the club’s conventions by seeking a second term.

As to his supporters hosting parties for him, he said he was happy to attend any event to which he was invited. “I have no hesitation,” he said.

The Gymkhana Club’s outgoing president Naresh Verma denied anything untoward has happened in the run up to the election.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... -president
Rivals allege ‘dirty tricks’ as Delhi Gymkhana polls turn ugly
Dipak Kumar Dash, TNN Sep 23, 2013,

NEW DELHI: Two of the four candidates contesting for the president's post at Gymkhana Club were seen dancing together last week. This may give an impression that the campaign for the top executive's post in the city's premier club has been 'friendly'. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Mudslinging is on through letters, claims and counter-claims. Meanwhile, scores of cocktail parties are being used to woo voting members at clubs and five-star hotels, some thrown by real estate and hotel tycoons. This year's election at the 100-year-old club is one of the most bitterly contested in memory.

Voting takes place on Friday. The voting members include the Prime Minister, vice-president, chief ministers and several Union ministers, besides the Who's Who of Delhi, including top serving and retired bureaucrats.

The Delhi Gymkhana election is already being marked for its many 'firsts'. This is the first time that as many as four candidates are in the fray - a serving secretary at the Centre (Vijay Chhibber), a retired R&AW chief (A S Dulat), a retired director-general of police (B L Vohra) and a retired deputy director general of Doordarshan ( Urmila Gupta). This is second time that a woman candidate is in the fray for the top post. If Gupta wins, she will be the club's first woman president.

Dulat is contesting again after having served as club president for two years (2005-07), which many club members say is against "convention". "If this time the president is chosen from armed forces, the next turn is for civil services. Though the resident is elected for one year, they are elected unopposed for the second year. No past president has contested again in normal circumstances," said Lt General Rajinder Singh.

All three opponents of the former R&AW chief talked about upholding traditions and values. Dulat, on his part, said his nomination was "well within the convention" and added that voting members were the best people to decide.

Rumours abound of rivals resorting to 'dirty tricks'. Barring Vohra, all other contestants told TOI their old " friends" were throwing evening parties to garner support. Parties have been hosted by a real estate giant and a big hotel owner. Members said party hoppers were availing the hospitality being offered by rival camps.

All candidates were also trying to flaunt their links with the defence forces. Gupta said she is expecting a majority of women members to vote for her.

Several members said the number of parties hosted before polls was very high this year because of the sheer number of people contesting for both executive committee membership and for president. The number of contestants for the executive committee, 34, is also the highest till date.

The club located next to 7 Race Course Road has a surplus of about Rs 70 crore in its kitty and has about 12,000 members, of which about 5,600 have voting rights. "It's a much hyped election. Everyday we are getting several letters, mails and SMSs, including invitations to cocktails. There has been sea change in the past two-three elections," said a retired IAS officer who is a voting member.

For a large section of members, the main issue in this election is to see who and how the club's infrastructure can be improved to meet growing demand. "If you reach the club about 6pm, you don't get a seat. We need to vote a person who can deliver on this front," said a retired Army officer.
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^ what, the elite of this country did not allow women to vote till 1985? Haaa haaa
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Failing India's veterans
Arun Prakash
Sins of the Saint and Dynasty
in recent days we, as Indians, have shown a penchant for publicly denigrating and undermining institutions that are respected and protected by every nation because they are the defenders and faithful servants of the state: Parliament, the military and the intelligence services. In a young and boisterous democracy, such as ours, the elected representatives can be forgiven many trespasses, but lemming-like behaviour is not one of them. As we brace ourselves for the forthcoming general elections, there is countrywide apprehension that difficult times lie ahead in terms of political volatility, economic instability and social unrest. The recent grim events in UP could presage worse to come. Externally, the display of belligerence by the Chinese and Pakistani armies, while catching us on the wrong foot, has conveyed the ominous warning that we need to prepare for collusive action by them. To exacerbate our security predicament, the Pak army-ISI combine is waiting for the last GI to depart Afghanistan before unleashing its 'strategic reserve' of Taliban on India.

In such a daunting scenario, Indians would wish their powerful military to be at the peak of combat-readiness, morale and motivation, ready to react swiftly to orders of the political leadership to meet every national crisis; whether internal disorder or external threats. Let us pause to consider if such a response can be expected from a military which suffers low self-esteem because its leadership is publicly excoriated and humiliated with regularity and snidely accused of disloyalty, by proxy, through the media. Let us also pay heed to the words of Winston Churchill, an experienced soldier as well as astute politician: "The army is nota¦an inanimate thing, like a house, to be pulled down or structurally altered at the caprice of the tenant or owner; it is a living thing. If it is bullied, it sulks; if it is unhappy, it pines; if it is harried, it gets feverish." If there is unanimity amongst the citizenry and the politicians regarding the armed forces, it is that everyone wants them to be completely 'apolitical'. We are extremely fortunate that in a region full of praetorian militaries, the Indian armed forces have remained completely untainted by political stain or ambition; and it is in the nation's interest that they continue to be so.

Regrettably, the same is no longer true of the military veterans, and since the 25-30 lakh former soldiers retain a close umbilical link with the serving personnel there is real danger of the armed forces, too, becoming politicised by osmosis. A pertinent question that arises at this juncture is how and when did the veterans become politicised? The short answer is they have actually been driven to politics over the past five to six years by the indifference of politicians and the hostile manner in which the MoD bureaucracy has handled problems relating to pensions and allowances of aging veterans, war widows and battle casualties. Forced to go to courts, they were stunned to find a litigious MoD fighting them at every step through appeals to higher courts. In a bizarre development, the MoD has perversely refused to implement even Supreme Court judgments favourable to the veterans. In April 2008, the frustrated veterans decided to resort to public demonstrations, in Delhi and elsewhere, to press their demands, and ever since their protest movement has gathered mass, momentum and political flavour. Cautionary advice rendered by senior veterans, including retired chiefs, has been consistently disregarded at the highest levels of the government and MoD. The 'Rewari moment' was, therefore, waiting to happen. If forcing the veterans to take to the streets was a grave mistake, it has been compounded by serial mishandling, driving a patriotic, disciplined and politically-neutral segment of society into the maw of party politics. Retrieval may be possible even at this late stage if the government initiates urgent action to assuage disquiet among veterans and send a message of reassurance to troops in the field. First, alleged misdemeanours by the senior military leadership must be investigated under the vast powers available to the government and due process of law followed thereafter. Interests of national security demand the utmost discretion and confidentiality in such cases. Media leaks of military matters and trial-by-TV bring comfort only to our enemies.
Secondly, the so-called department of ex-servicemen's welfare must be recast (as in other democracies) with a retired service officer as its head and with adequate veterans on its staff. The bureaucracy should be made to desist from initiating mindless litigation against the nation's veterans. The defence minister has adequate powers to decide most issues. Finally, military headquarters, worldwide, are part of government; only in India are they seen as 'submitting' reports/matters for the government's consideration. It is time to eliminate such bureaucratic subterfuge, by amending the government business rules to subsume the three service HQs within its edifice.
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First Shekhar Gupta should be taken to task for his lies about the military forces.
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Go after the ISI and Pak military if any Indians are touched in Afghanistan, pre or post withdrawal; draw upon the immense reservoir of goodwill in Afghanistan from the people; ignore stupid accusations about India 'using' Afghanistan, or at the very least make it known that Pakistan is doing precisely that; state forcefully and repeatedly that India desires an independent, democratic, pluralistic Afghanistan that nobody "controls", not Pakistan, China, India, Madagascar or the Cape Verde Islands; assert equally forcefully that India has a 3000+ year relationship with Afghanistan that predates even Buddhism; be resolute and forceful in expressing revulsion at the Taliban ideology, which has no place in the modern, or any, world, but definitely not the modern; make it known that India is not interested in playing geo-political chess games, but wants to see interdependence and multi-polarity between democratic, pluralistic, open societies.

It doesn't require a Phd or a think thank to say any of these things.
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Lift the shroud of secrecy
We must thank the Supreme Court for doing what the Centre should have done in the first place: clearing the confusion on whether Aadhaar is mandatory for citizens to avail of State subsidies by ruling, on Monday, that it is not.

It must be mentioned here that even though personal information of citizens is being collated by the Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI) for Aadhaar, the authority has no legal backing. At best, the UIDAI only guarantees identity, and does not guarantee rights, benefits or entitlement.

While the court order may have come as a shocker to the government and upset its plans of showcasing the Aadhaar-backed Direct Benefit Transfer scheme as one of its main achievements ahead of the general elections, it has only itself to blame for this situation.

From the time the government launched Aadhaar, questions were raised about the scheme but it chose to stonewall those queries. While citizens were told that Aadhaar enrolment is voluntary, in practice many states are making it mandatory simply by tying it up with benefit schemes. Hopefully, this roundabout way of coercing citizens into enrolling for Aadhaar will stop after the SC order.

For any citizen of India, there is a plethora of identity documents. All that we really needed was a ‘base document’ that would work as an identity card. Instead of doing that, the government launched two schemes: Aadhaar and the National Population Register (NPR), leading to confusion.

Most people still don’t know if/why they need to enrol for both the schemes. Questions have been raised on the legality of the UID and NPR collecting data and biometrics of citizens. Many concerns have been raised about the use of biometrics in terms of the legality, effectiveness, and accuracy of the technology.

At a time when the State control of Big Data is becoming an increasingly touchy issue worldwide, it is imperative for the government to clear the air on UID and NPR and their respective merits. Failing to do so will only create further confusion and raise questions on transparency in governance.
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Pakistani singer Rahat may get plea bargain in currency case -Dailymail.co.uk
The Indian government is likely to go soft on Pakistani singer Rahat Fateh Ali Khan.

Acting on a request by Rajya Sabha MP Amar Singh, the Centre is likely to allow the singer a plea bargain in a case on carrying foreign currency beyond the permissible limit.

Singh has met Finance Minister P. Chidambaram and Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde to ask them for relief on Khan's behalf.
:evil: :cry:

"I met the finance and the home ministers and also wrote letters to them saying if legally possible, Khan should be given relief. His plight was brought to my notice by African tycoon Anil Vasvani, who happens to be his friend," Singh said.

Over the years, Khan has become a household name in India and his songs are a rage on both sides of the border. But his career in India took a beating in 2011 when he got embroiled in a case involving foreign currency in New Delhi.

As the government is now planning to exempt him from any legal action when he visits India, the finance ministry has sought comments from the Directorate of Revenue Intelligence on whether any relief could be given to the singer.
In UPA-1 it was Amar Singh who is the most powerful power broker, now in UPA-2 its Rajiv Shukla. All NaMo needs to do get them booked and if they spill beans, it will unravel corrupt system.
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kmkraoind wrote:Pakistani singer Rahat may get plea bargain in currency case -Dailymail.co.uk
The Indian government is likely to go soft on Pakistani singer Rahat Fateh Ali Khan.

Acting on a request by Rajya Sabha MP Amar Singh, the Centre is likely to allow the singer a plea bargain in a case on carrying foreign currency beyond the permissible limit.

Singh has met Finance Minister P. Chidambaram and Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde to ask them for relief on Khan's behalf.
:evil: :cry:

"I met the finance and the home ministers and also wrote letters to them saying if legally possible, Khan should be given relief. His plight was brought to my notice by African tycoon Anil Vasvani, who happens to be his friend," Singh said.

Over the years, Khan has become a household name in India and his songs are a rage on both sides of the border. But his career in India took a beating in 2011 when he got embroiled in a case involving foreign currency in New Delhi.

As the government is now planning to exempt him from any legal action when he visits India, the finance ministry has sought comments from the Directorate of Revenue Intelligence on whether any relief could be given to the singer.
In UPA-1 it was Amar Singh who is the most powerful power broker, now in UPA-2 its Rajiv Shukla. All NaMo needs to do get them booked and if they spill beans, it will unravel corrupt system.
Anyone below the rank of Ahmed Patel, Motilal Vora is not going to cause any direct culpability.
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Why is GOI not releasing 2011 census numbers based on religion, but is in hurry to release riot victims by religion?
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A new Idea of India from NitiCentral.

A new idea of India

Lord Meghnad Desai has at last come round. It is interesting to see him discuss and endorse the need to offer space to an alternate idea of India. In fact, he is getting around to the view that there are other ideas of India and a challenge to the homogeneity inducing Nehruvian idea of India is a legitimate aspiration that requires expression.

Contrary to what is usually portrayed about the so-called Hindu Right, the idea of India that triumphed through patronage, discourse-control and academic and cultural hegemony was the Nehruvian idea of India, an idea that was sought to be imposed by its proponents allowing no other idea space or recognition. It was not the Hindu idea of India that pictured India as a perennially monolithic state. It was rather the Nehruvian idea that tolerated no other ideas and expressions of India. Any alternate vision of India was regarded with deep disdain and suspicion. The easiest thing was to label these as reactionary, subversive, anti-modern and anti-people.

It is also heartening to read of the alternate history of India being at last discussed. KM Munshi’s efforts at producing a multi-volume history of the Indian people was the result of a long-felt nationalist need for writing India’s history from the Indian point of view. Before Munshi, Tagore, whom the Left-Liberal, secular and Marxists have turned into an opponent of nationalism and a proponent of globalism, strongly felt for the need to write a history of India from a fresh perspective.

Writing sometime in early 1903, Tagore observed in one of his lesser discussed pieces, ‘History of Bharatvarsha’, that the narratives of India – in today’s parlance the ideas of India being dished out did not allow the ‘real Bharatvarsha’ to be glimpsed. ‘Those histories’, argued Tagore, “make you feel that at that time Bharatvarsha did not exist at all; as though only the howling whirlwind of Pathans and the Mughals holding aloft the banner of dry leaves had been moving round and round across the country.”

India’s civilisational essence that survived all conflict and invasion, Tagore contended, was neglected or suppressed in these portrayals or ideas of India. “…While the lands of the aliens existed, there also existed the indigenous country. Otherwise, in the midst of all turbulence, who gave birth to the likes of Kabir, Nanak, Chaitanya, and Tukaram? It was not only Delhi and Agra that existed then, there were also Kasi and Navadvipa. The current of life was flowing then in the real Bharatvarsha, the ripples of efforts rising there and the social changes that were taking place – none of these find an account in our history textbooks.” This aspect of Tagore never found space in the idea of India that dominated national life for the last six odd decades.

There were others as well, champions of an alternate discourse which sought to draw, tabulate and record alternate ideas of India. Nearly all of them had to face persistent intellectual boycott by the raucous standard bearers of the Nehruvian idea. When the doyen of nationalist historiography RC Majumdar insisted on taking an alternate route for writing the history of India’s freedom movement by saying, “I have not hesitated to speak out the truth, even if it is in conflict with views cherished and propagated by distinguished political leaders for whom I have the greatest respect” and that a “solid structure of mutual amity and understanding cannot be built on the quicksands of false history and political expediency,” he had the entire Nehruvian establishment up against him. Majumdar was completely sidelined the acolytes of Nehru’s India.

The idea of India, which has hitherto dominated the national discourse and which has gained legitimacy in the confines of the Left-dominated Indian and Western academia and has gone on to adversely influence a large section of our decision makers and therefore our national direction, is a direct creation of ‘Macaulayism’ – a mindset which has refused to recognise the essential civilisational identity of India and which has persistently worked to corrode it. Macaulayism “corrodes the soul of a culture and corrupts a social system in slow stages.” Ironically it is the de-culturised Hindu who has been one of the most unswerving proponents of this ism and has been at the forefront of propagating the idea of India that it generated.

These ‘Macaulayists’ who have institutionalised a certain idea and perception of India have themselves the following dominant characteristics which have influenced their worldview and actions in India:

» A sceptical, negative attitude towards Hindu ‘spirituality, cultural creations and social institutions.’ Nothing in Hindu India, ‘past or present’ could be approved unless recommended by Western authorities.

» A positive and ‘worshipful attitude towards everything in Western society and culture, past and present.’

» An intellectual habit to judge, ‘interpret and evaluate Hindu culture, history, society and spirituality with the help of concepts and tools of analysis evolved by Western scholarship.’ The Nehruvian idea of India was essentially fashioned by these types who thrived and multiplied post independence when the one idea of India began to dominate.

However, the growth of a multitude of alternate ideas of India now, especially one which is non-Nehruvian, non-Congress and non-Left shall usher in the end of their era. Lord Desai has rightly recognised the unmistakable wave of the age, hope some more of his stock follow suit!
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^^A fine article penned by Anirban Ganguly
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ramana wrote:First Shekhar Gupta should be taken to task for his lies about the military forces.
What about ASant ?

K. C. Singh ‏@ambkcsingh 1h During Kargil Israel provided much needed ammo for artillery at short notice when Russians were dithering.Also source of high tech in def.
BUT
.@Troll_e_Azam We don't engage them enough. RM Anthony refuses 2 invite his Israeli counterpart due 2 imagined Muslim reaction in Kerala.

This is the behaviour of man who is incharge of Defending India.
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I long ago said that he is Minister of UnDefence. His job is to make sure armed forces can never mount a Cold Start. He consistently refuses to buy/produce any war material,. If its tents/transport aircraft he is all for it.
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The ghost of the Air India plane that carried Dr.Bhaba is very much alive.The GOI should undertake a mountaineering expedition of expert climbers to recover the remnants of the aircraft and discover why the aircraft crashed.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/s ... ian-jewels

Mont Blanc climber finds £205,000 worth of Indian jewels on glacier

French mountaineer finds gems believed to belong to passenger on one of two Air India planes that crashed in 1950 and 1966
Angelique Chrisafis Paris
The Guardian, Thursday 26 September 2013

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The Mont Blanc gem find was made on the Bosson glacier, which has often spewed to the surface 'all sorts of remnants' from the Air India crashes. Photograph: Jean-Pierre Clatot/AFP

It was an unexpected find for the young French alpinist as he approached the summit of Mont Blanc. Poking out of the ice and snow on the shoulder of western Europe's highest mountain was a metal box containing precious gems – including emeralds, rubies and sapphires – worth hundreds of thousands of euros that had lain hidden for about 50 years.

The precious stones, around 100 in total, were neatly packed into sachets, some marked with "Made in India". It soon became clear that the historic haul, which has since been valued by jewellers at up €246,000 (£205,000), had belonged to someone on one of two Air India flights that crashed in 1950 and 1966, killing a total of more than 100 people.

The climber carried the treasure down the mountain and straight to local police. The prefect's office is now contacting Indian authorities to see if it is possible to trace the owner or their relatives.

"You can say the climber who made this find is someone very honest," local gendarme chief Sylvain Merly said.

"He saw very well that what he had in his hands was something very valuable, realising straight away that it was precious stones that had been very carefully wrapped.

"He was a mountaineer, he knew the history of the two plane crashes here and realised that this find was likely linked to those crashes. "Maybe he didn't want to keep something that had belonged to someone who died. So he handed it in."

Merly said the find was made on the Bossons glacier, which had often spewed to the surface "all sorts of remnants" from the Air India crashes. These have included newspapers from the flights, letters, shoes, cables and fragments of the planes, or even human remains.

Last year, two climbers on the glacier discovered a well-preserved bag of Indian diplomatic mail neatly marked "Ministry of External Affairs" that had been on the Boeing 707 flight from Mumbai to New York that crashed near the summit of Mont Blanc on a January morning in 1966 .

That crash killed all 11 crew and 106 passengers, including the pioneer of India's nuclear programme, Homi Jehangir Bhaba. The plane hit the mountain just below the summit after its experienced pilot had radioed confirming everything was okay, and was expected to land at Geneva airport in Switzerland to refuel.

The cause of the crash was never fully established. The mail bag, found 46 years later by a mountain rescue worker and a fellow climber in 2012, was handed back to the Indian government.

In 1950, another Air India flight, a four-motor propeller plane, crashed near the same spot killing 48 passengers and crew as it was expected to land at Geneva.

The prefect's office of Savoie will now contact the Indian authorities to try to return the jewels to the family of the original owner. It is thought that the jewels are more likely to have come from the 1966 crash. The local French paper, the Dauphiné Libéré reported that if an owner is not found, under French law, the jewels could be given back to the climber, who has not been named.

Mont Blanc, hailed as one of the world's most beautiful mountains, also has a deadly history of dangerous storms and fatal avalanches.

Arnaud Christmann, one of the men who found the diplomatic mail last year, warned it could spark a "gold rush".

He said he was worried inexperienced climbers might be tempted to try to seek their fortune on the glacier, which is easy to access but dangerous.
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Philip, In this very forum it was pointed out last year that the MEA/Air India/GOI was most reluctant to pay for any expedition to recover any remains from the crash site.

Its like they dont want to remember Homi Bhabha at all.
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GOI today.Homi Bhabha,who he? Any relative of Baba Ramdev,Sai Baba? Mont Blanc jewels .Latest model pen? Must get it!
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This is a true Indian hero,who gave up his life to save others.He must be honoured posthumously at the next Republic Day awards.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 41847.html

Costa Concordia: Divers discover human remains in shipwreck
Bodies 'absolutely consistent' with descriptions of two missing people but are yet to be officially identified
Michael Day

Milan
Thursday 26 September 2013

Human remains have been found near the wreck of the Costa Concordia after the 290m vessel was raised upright.

Two people have been unaccounted for since the cruise liner sank off the island of Giglio on the night of 13 January 2012, claiming the lives of 32 people.

Russel Rebello, a 33-year-old cruise waiter from India, and Italian passenger Maria Grazia Trecarichi were reported missing.

Recovering the remains after 20 months under the weight of the cruise ship was “almost a miracle,” Italy’s civil protection chief, Franco Gabrielli, said. He also revealed they were “absolutely consistent” with the two missing people

Divers made the discovery close to the central section of the liner, from where many passengers had sought to escape in lifeboats. The bodies were lying just outside the hull on the sea bed. They still have not been brought ashore, and the process of running DNA identification tests is yet to begin.

Elio Vincenzi, Ms Trecarichi’s husband, has previously said he was optimistic she would be found. “I am filled with hope. I am still hoping to find my wife,” he said.

Mr Rebello was hailed a hero after helping passengers into lifeboats and giving away his life jacket.

Francesco Schettino, the captain, has been charged with manslaughter, causing a shipwreck and abandoning ship.
PS:Pl. send e-mails to HE the Pres. for the same.
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from ndtv

President 'unsure of compelling reasons' for ordinance to protect convicted lawmakers: sources
IMO the current President has already done more work than the previous one.
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RG says ordinance is nonsense and must be thrown away..and what my Govt is doing is nonsense! For once he is right!!! :shock:
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Ajay Maken was at the Pres conference and defending the Ordinance when Rahul Gandhi barges in and wants to take a few questions. Says the Ordinance is nonsense and must be torn up.. Ajay Maken was left with egg on the face...hilarious :D
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