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ravi_g wrote:krisna ji, I think I got your context right. You were comparing his style against that of the dirty team right?

I just added to it. A man will ultimately express only what he has imbibed (jaki rahi bhavana jaisi). A face put on to meet an exigency will not last for long.

Hence the self-discipline angle I mentioned. He has trained himself to speak and think like that.

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The speech was great for the communicative ability directed at the right sort of crowd. Dilli walas will remember it.
not the style- his ability to discern what is good for the country, PMship etc- no one can underestimate the position. PM has been won by congis and MMS is our PM. no one can belittle it. if a foreigner says something bad, then everyone should close ranks and fight the slur.
despite being in opposition and a challenger he never lost sight of it.

No congis or its paid media have any self respect in this matter including pappu and its maa.

congis have been doing this to opposition esp NaMo with its campaign by its cronies and itself in usa and other countries.

NaMo could have taken off bad mouthing PM position citing this precedent-- believe me no one could have faulted him.

But he is different, sees the big picture.

I find it very significant and a huge one esp when shoulders the PM repsonsibilities.
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Singha wrote:SS would be a good candidate imo. wean her away from D4 politics and get her a real demanding job where she both has clout and the responsibility to deliver.
Make her work hard in Delhi- her mischief elsewhere is limited.if she wins credit her if she loses make her responsible for it. she has some qualities which can be useful. she is like a thorn which needs careful attention.
accountability is a must for her. :mrgreen:
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krisna wrote:
Singha wrote:SS would be a good candidate imo. wean her away from D4 politics and get her a real demanding job where she both has clout and the responsibility to deliver.
Make her work hard in Delhi- her mischief elsewhere is limited.if she wins credit her if she loses make her responsible for it. she has some qualities which can be useful. she is like a thorn which needs careful attention.
accountability is a must for her. :mrgreen:
I think the D4 should be sent as CMs (yes including LKG) of smallest states BJP wins far far from Delhi. North Eastern states are good examples. And give them a clear road map and ask them to execute the roadmap and give monthly updates to state citizenry.
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My friend, u may have some grudge against US, i can understand that as it is your personal opinion. But that does not deflect that truth that there is a lot common between US election of Obama and Indian election of NAMO and not to forget that these two are worlds largest and second largest democracies. So comparision is inevitable whether u like it or not and i donot feel it is OT.

Regarding me looking with starry eyes to US, i have lived enough years in both the democracies and know first hand what treatment u get from both the governments as a citizen. Let us not go there but hope that NAMO can make an Indian citizen get that kind of service from the Indian govt.

Regarding your point of bad side of US, no govt is without mistakes and same goes with NAMO's gujrat govt. So u picking some holes does not change the gold standard just like CONGRESS poking holes with fake encounter and Rajan with his new HDI index does not change the gold standard of NAMO either.

Take it easy and let us hope that NAMO can come to power and stay there for 10 years and increase the trust of indian citizens in the Indian "sarkar" and we will all be proud to hold and show the Indian passport when we travel abroad and that is what NAMO is also aiming at.
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anmol wrote:What about Dr Harshavardhan ?
Harshvardhan spoke LOT better than VG. He gave some vision about solar electricity, exposed state govt effectively. VK attacked Sheila for her age, saying twice that she is of her Dadi's (grandma's) age!! :shock: :( . Is that how an aspiring CM speaks? Harshvardhan was precise and to the point. If the choice has to be made between the two, it is Harshvardhan any day.

That said, if we keep Shivraj, Raman Sing, Parikkar (let alone Modi) as a bar, I doubt he comes close.

Added later:
Just to clarify that I'm not basing my opinion about Harshvardhan on today's speech but on his career in RSS, BJP and anti polio regime.
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+1 gakakkad.. but do you know that this thread is in brf-burkha forum? so , -1
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subhamoy.das wrote:My friend, u may have some grudge against US, i can understand that as it is your personal opinion. But that does not deflect that truth that there is a lot common between US election of Obama and Indian election of NAMO and not to forget that these two are worlds largest and second largest democracies. So comparision is inevitable whether u like it or not and i donot feel it is OT.
Obama failed as a leader Namo hasn't and wouldn't when he becomes PM all == ends right there and it's not about what you feel or not but what is the purpose of the thread so yes bringing unnecessarily US in here is equal to going OT.
subhamoy.das wrote:Regarding your point of bad side of US, no govt is without mistakes and same goes with NAMO's gujrat govt. So u picking some holes does not change the gold standard just like CONGRESS poking holes with fake encounter and Rajan with his new HDI index does not change the gold standard of NAMO either.
Your harping about US being the "gold standard" only goes to show what I said before as being right, no one with an iota of sense sees US as gold standard. I have no problem with you singing songs about the "American Dream" but do it in the proper thread.
subhamoy.das wrote:Take it easy and let us hope that NAMO can come to power and stay there for 10 years and increase the trust of indian citizens in the Indian "sarkar" and we will all be proud to hold and show the Indian passport when we travel abroad and that is what NAMO is also aiming at.
Exactly follow your own advice and sing praises about US in appropriate thread not here, this thread is about Modi, his policies and the inevitable fight with the dynasty. I am already very proud of my Indian passport and don't look upto gora people for acceptance, you can very well keep looking for their acceptance but again do that in the proper thread.
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Modi is unstoppable. He will be PM if he manages to stay alive. I get the feeling jihadis will pull something. Congress is straight up f*cked if he wins the general elections. This speech is a turning point in India's history.
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rajithn wrote:
subhamoy.das wrote:
The fetish is some thing called "NATIONALISM and GOVERNANCE" which are the two USP of NAMO. US is the gold standard when it comes to both these two. If u visit even a chai shop, it has the US national flag flying high in front of its entrance. If u, aamm admi, meet an emergency, the country will send in chopper if required to make sure u get the right medical aid. So I truely hope that under NAMO we reach that level in India. Hence the comparison. On a side note, NAMO's idol, Swami Vivekanda, is known for his immortal speech in CHICAGO. So there is a strong connection where NAMO wants to take us with US. May God Bless India.
Rotfl i started with the rotfl emoticon and then decided its best to respond beyond an expression of unadulterated amusement.

The gold standard?? The U.S? Just the examples you gave lost the plot. Flying flags outside of a "chai shop" is not nationalism. Its one of the symptoms of an insular society though not the defining one. And as for "EMS", surely the U.S is a poor example even compared to some of the nordic countries.

When we use the words "Gold standard" and such, i do believe a little prudence is advised.

And if thats our dream for NaMo..thatevery household just has to fly the indian flag and we have enough air ambulances as first responders...then i am truly sorry.

I believe that NaMo is here to provide what Bharat truly needs. A Bharatiya identity, the ability for all sections of society to lead a fulfilling life with mutual respect and a country that awards merit and last but not the least start India's return to its true destiny: the embodiment of Sanatana Dharma.
I am not sure if u have lived in US or not so u are not able to judge the amount of pride the average citizens of that country takes in their flag and u calling them insular is like u holding NAMO flag and i calling u insular. If US was not the gold standard of goverance and nationalism then the mad rush to migrate from all over the world for the "american dream" would not happen. No body rushes to NORDIC countries inspite of their better living standard than US because immigration laws are tough and immigrants are treated badly.

There in lies the fault. NAMO is not here to be act like a HINDU NATIONALIST and return HINDU honor and that would not have taken him to far. He is here to honor the constitution of India. He is here to make sure that no body is left behind and that law is same for all and that is what this huge response. All this SANATAN DHRAMA shit needs to be wiped out from your mind or VHP is a better bet for you. NAMO stands for only one thing NATIONALISM which includes all castes and religion and sections. And it is this stand which is gathering such a people momentum and he is like freedom figther liberating Indians from CONGRESS RULE.
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Rajnath Singh elected as BJP's new campaign committee chief for 2014 polls

New Delhi: After the grand success of the mega rally of the Bharatiya Janata Party's PM nominee Narendra Modi here, the parliamentary board of the party elected party president Rajnath Singh as the new poll campaign committee chief on Sunday.

The decision on party's new campaign committee chief was taken in a board meeting at the BJP office here.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/ra ... 80045.html
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you beat me to it, susupti ji...

exactly what i feared..
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SaiK wrote:+1 gakakkad.. but do you know that this thread is in brf-burkha forum? so , -1
better be it in burkha as not to attract nonsense posts. difficult to rein in folks even here in burkha.
will make bradamins task infinitely tough. spare a thought for them.

NaMo and his team knows a few things. But how much I don't know.

JMTs.
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Sajaano Banerjee ‏@Sajaanobanerjee 27 Sep
A significant percentage of Yadav votes (8% of the UP population) is shifting to the BJP in LS 2014

Trust me... These people hate Modi. They are the worst form of human garbage with their brains filled with hate of India, Bharat, Hinudism, RSS and any thing Indian.

When they are saying, they are afraid. This will close the game of Mullayam
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Sagar G wrote:
subhamoy.das wrote:My friend, u may have some grudge against US, i can understand that as it is your personal opinion. But that does not deflect that truth that there is a lot common between US election of Obama and Indian election of NAMO and not to forget that these two are worlds largest and second largest democracies. So comparision is inevitable whether u like it or not and i donot feel it is OT.
Obama failed as a leader Namo hasn't and wouldn't when he becomes PM all == ends right there and it's not about what you feel or not but what is the purpose of the thread so yes bringing unnecessarily US in here is equal to going OT.
subhamoy.das wrote:Regarding your point of bad side of US, no govt is without mistakes and same goes with NAMO's gujrat govt. So u picking some holes does not change the gold standard just like CONGRESS poking holes with fake encounter and Rajan with his new HDI index does not change the gold standard of NAMO either.
Your harping about US being the "gold standard" only goes to show what I said before as being right, no one with an iota of sense sees US as gold standard. I have no problem with you singing songs about the "American Dream" but do it in the proper thread.
subhamoy.das wrote:Take it easy and let us hope that NAMO can come to power and stay there for 10 years and increase the trust of indian citizens in the Indian "sarkar" and we will all be proud to hold and show the Indian passport when we travel abroad and that is what NAMO is also aiming at.
Exactly follow your own advice and sing praises about US in appropriate thread not here, this thread is about Modi, his policies and the inevitable fight with the dynasty. I am already very proud of my Indian passport and don't look upto gora people for acceptance, you can very well keep looking for their acceptance but again do that in the proper thread.
So who in the world is gold standard of governance and nationalism in your mind? China may be? Saudi Arabia or wait a minute Britain ? And not sure what makes u so proud of your Indian passport when the same govt takes away all your freedom and harasses you at every point - be tax or medical help or police help or judicary help or .....
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Sabotage will happen. But overall, the impact will be minimal. I don't trust Sushma, Advani, etc at all. These people have been in politics for too long and have probably benefited from all the loot by Congress. It's not in there interest if Modi comes to power. All their skeletons will come tumbling out as well.
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I have a feeling that Congress last minute will send Modi to his grave. They are completely incapacitated at this point. If they don't do something they will lose everything.
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subhamoy.das wrote:So who in the world is gold standard of governance and nationalism in your mind? China may be? Saudi Arabia or wait a minute Britain ? And not sure what makes u so proud of your Indian passport when the same govt takes away all your freedom and harasses you at every point - be tax or medical help or police help or judicary help or .....
Everybody isn't like you who keeps looking to outside powers searching for a "gold standard" and dying to get their acceptance. All the rest of the lecture from you is hilarious given the recent disclosure about US goberments spying programmes not only all over the world but for each and every house in the state so please spare me your lecture of "freedom" in US. Indian history, her resilience, her courage under adverse conditions, her people, her language, her food, her potential all these make me very proud of my motherland you can keep cowering in shame and keep doing US/gora mahimamandan but find some other thread.

If you still persist I will report your post for flame baiting.
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What else do you expect from a sepoy? We've finally reached a point where Modi is just about to be PM and he goes on and on about how he hates his indian passport and looks to the west for inspiration. we're a 7000 year old civilization and he thinks some pompous white folk who have ruled the world for a mere 300 years has something to teach us. Bullsh*t.
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HAHA! Wow. :mrgreen: If Modi is elected im taking a 3-5 month break from BRF unless something big happens. This has been a 12-14 year adventure for me.
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gakakkad wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Selling poverty? He does get material from the Internet Hindus :-)
a lot of his ideas/phrases are taken from internet ,which have originated from brf.... i may be delusional,carried away by Modi's magical oratory skills, but I feel that this forum of about a few hundred active members has made a massive 'covert' contribution to Indian history....
+1008. Agreed. All iz well, if he takes ideas from different sources. The beauty is that he weaves them nicely together. Some times, hearing him is like reading BRF gurus. :mrgreen: I want to think there are some informants lurking and reading this thread.

When one crowd sources ideas, people sorta kinda automatically buy into the leader.
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English translation of summary anywhere?
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Gus wrote:English translation of summary anywhere?
http://www.ndtv.com/blog/show/at-delhi- ... hit-425153

Summary of speech is at the bottom of page.
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SwamyG wrote: +1008. Agreed. All iz well, if he takes ideas from different sources. The beauty is that he weaves them nicely together. Some times, hearing him is like reading BRF gurus. :mrgreen: I want to think there are some informants lurking and reading this thread.

When one crowd sources ideas, people sorta kinda automatically buy into the leader.
Source of thoughts of gurus of BRF and NM is same. Gangotri of dharmiks.
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Atri wrote:you beat me to it, susupti ji...

exactly what i feared..
But Rajnath is in Modi camp what is there to fear ???
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Shri @narendramodi has proposed that the BJP's Election Campaign Committee should be lead by Shri @BJPRajnathSingh



Loh Purush thought nothing will happen to him and his coterie even after RSS chief is attacked by ISlamists crooks in Congress and he will keep BJP stranded(stay neutral) for his personal goals.
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Sagar G wrote:
Atri wrote:you beat me to it, susupti ji...

exactly what i feared..
But Rajnath is in Modi camp what is there to fear ???
In ticket distribution, particularly in North India. Rajnath has his own agenda. His "problems" with Kalyan Singh is well documented.

At this point for matters as crucial as choosing candidates, I will prefer Amit Shah or even Gadkari as campaign chief over RNS.

PS: Isn't RNS holding 2 posts now? wasn't this precisely the argument that was made by D4 after after NaMo was choosen PM candidate?
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Nakul Shenoy ‏@nakulshenoy 24m
And now the @PMOIndia account retweets @PankajPachauri's tweets. Should it not be the other way round?
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Vipin_Upadhyay wrote:In ticket distribution, particularly in North India. Rajnath has his own agenda. His "problems" with Kalyan Singh is well documented.

At this point for matters as crucial as choosing candidates, I will prefer Amit Shah or even Gadkari as campaign chief over RNS.

PS: Isn't RNS holding 2 posts now? wasn't this precisely the argument that was made by D4 after after NaMo was choosen PM candidate?
Modi wasn't ready to give up that post or wanted his man to be there so I think we can be sure that Modi won't allow just anybody to be the campaign chief unless he isn't sure of that person.

Edit: Also remember that during Advani resignation drama RNS had bluntly stated that the decision won't be taken back.
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Sagar G wrote:
Vipin_Upadhyay wrote:In ticket distribution, particularly in North India. Rajnath has his own agenda. His "problems" with Kalyan Singh is well documented.

At this point for matters as crucial as choosing candidates, I will prefer Amit Shah or even Gadkari as campaign chief over RNS.

PS: Isn't RNS holding 2 posts now? wasn't this precisely the argument that was made by D4 after after NaMo was choosen PM candidate?
Modi wasn't ready to give up that post or wanted his man to be there so I think we can be sure that Modi won't allow just anybody to be the campaign chief unless he isn't sure of that person.

Edit: Also remember that during Advani resignation drama RNS had bluntly stated that the decision won't be taken back.

There is strict instruction to RNS to show as much middle finger to D4 mandli as he can. This clarity wasn't there in his first term.
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Exactly and till now he has done well in his position. I guess RSS backing to the hilt did the trick.
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Das-ji, you raise some points from the viewpoint of one segment:
There in lies the fault. NAMO is not here to be act like a HINDU NATIONALIST and return HINDU honor and that would not have taken him to far. He is here to honor the constitution of India. He is here to make sure that no body is left behind and that law is same for all and that is what this huge response. All this SANATAN DHRAMA shit needs to be wiped out from your mind or VHP is a better bet for you. NAMO stands for only one thing NATIONALISM which includes all castes and religion and sections. And it is this stand which is gathering such a people momentum and he is like freedom figther liberating Indians from CONGRESS RULE.
Fine, maybe there is no the in-your-face Hindu nationalism (or what you mean it to be) that groups like VHP advance; they are just one group among many. Instead look at the 6 core points he is making. AFAICS, it is consistent with Dharma. That's the vision the founding fathers (of India) should have had but, instead, dropped the ball and gave us a mess. This is the clean-up phase. The reason why US has been so stable is in large part due their constitution which was based on their founding fathers understanding of their cultural/civilizational ethos and how they applied it to the new country. A lot easier than a similar project in India. To pretend that the Indian civilizational ethos is missing-in-action is what our leaders have done so far and cobbled up unsustainable fictions (e.g., sickularism).

Someone want to take a crack at translating the below into English (accurately?). My Hindi isn't good enough to get the nuances.

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and a vision for 2022:

So what could India@75 look like by the year 2022 if even the son of a Tea Vendor can be a contender to be Prime Minister ?

India@75 – where we reverse the trajectory of the Rupee from touching the Finance Minister’s age to may be getting closer to the Congress Vice President’s age

India@75 – where our Youth don’t need “Rights” to settle for what the government gives, but our Youth have the Skills to aspire for more than what the Government can give and even more that the Govt cannot give

India@75 – where our women don’t have to worry about working late in the National Capital but where in every Town and City safety for Women comes before VIP Security

India@75 – where our Families don’t have to suffer shocks from frequent Petrol and LPG price hikes but a Energy Grid in our Cities and Towns gives comfort and peace of mind

India@75 – where our Children don’t have to be at the mercy of a Government controlled “Right to Education” Act, but where our Children benefit from a vast expansion of educational opportunities through Public-Private Partnerships

India@75 – where our Farmers don’t have to be at the mercy of the Rain God and Government Loan Waivers but where our Farmers have the support they need to produce Food, Export Cash Crops to the World and be Independent

India@75 – where the weak, the marginalized don’t have to be at the mercy of an Employment Act or a Food Act but where they can climb the Ladder of Opportunity unhindered by backwardness, become part of Neo-Middle Class

India@75 – where Minorities don’t cast a negative vote out of fear to be treated merely as vote banks but where Minorities cast a positive vote independently without fear for their Economic Progress

India@75 – where our Highways don’t have to suffer years of delays for expansion and repairs but a well-planned network of Highways boosts Growth and creates Jobs

India@75 – where our Businesses don’t have to fear Power Shortages and Blackouts but our states have a power surplus and even think of exporting Power to our neighbors

India@75 – where our Chief Ministers don’t have to beg in Delhi for special status but where States have the Freedom and the Autonomy to chart their own pace of growth and development without being held back by Delhi

India@75 – an Economy where Reforms and Growth have created Wealth for Hundred of Millions of Indians

India@75 – an Energy Independent Nation that innovatively harnesses Non-Renewable Energy

India@75 – an Open Country where Inland Infrastructure in the forms of Highways, Interlinked Waterways have economically Integrated States and Regions for all round growth

India@75 – a Model Society of Communal and Social Harmony that has shed the baggage of the last century and overcome the many Conflicts and blurred the many Fault Lines

India@75 – an Opportunity State where the Poor, the weak, the marginalized can climb the Ladder of Opportunity unhindered by backwardness

India@75 – an Ownership Society where Local Communities Take Responsibility for the Welfare of their own needy, caring for them and providing for them

India@75 – a Democracy where Electoral Reforms have eliminated Criminals from Politics

India@75 – a Republic where Judicial Reforms have ensured Courts deliver Verdicts in a Timely manner having cleared decades old backlogs

India@75 – a Federal Model of Governance where States have the Freedom and the Autonomy to chart their own pace of growth and development without being held back by Delhi

India@75 – a Revolution in Local Governance has ensured every Town, Village and Community can expect Civic Services to be responsive to the Public Needs

India@75 – a Rule of Law based Society where Police Reforms have ensured the Police Station serves the Local Community and is accountable to the Community for Law Enforcement

India@75 – a Sovereign State that has transformed its hostile borders into benign free trade zones by winning over its neighbors, engaging with the World from a position of a strength
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