Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 01 Oct 2013 23:29

harbans wrote:Vivek that is a fantastic summarization!! Regards to the person that wrote it in no time!!!

That is @offstumped. No credit taken here. Great summary I agree

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 01 Oct 2013 23:40

so what is the legal boundary for the black cat ops guys? especially when raw-ib guys comes in, they are taken out?.. or the cats can prowl on any suspicious movements?

of course a silly agrument, but brings to focus how direct & open it has to be... nah?

negi · Post by **negi** » 01 Oct 2013 23:50

MMS is in full faarm

From text of his interview

Press : "Was it a down?"
PM: "Not even when... ... inaudible)..."

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 02 Oct 2013 00:09

Our Great Great secular nation

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 02 Oct 2013 01:10

what embarrassment? they're probably hoping this will bring more votes.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 02 Oct 2013 02:30

Another of those paid TV debates.

The Last Word: Is media overdoing its coverage of Modi and building a brand or a personality cult?

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/425809/the ... ef_article

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 02 Oct 2013 02:57

NaMo to give concluding address at http://www.indiancag.org/manthan/

Participation is huge for an event like this. 85% voted for NaMo as chief guest.

Seems like an impressive event with well thought out entries (slide shows of top entries inside site, full size slide show got by clicking on the entries inside in the top 30 list)

http://indiancag.org/cagshop/ has some nice t-shirts

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 02 Oct 2013 03:12

nsriram wrote:NaMo to give concluding address at http://www.indiancag.org/manthan/

Participation is huge for an event like this. 85% voted for NaMo as chief guest.

Seems like an impressive event with well thought out entries (slide shows of top entries inside site, full size slide show got by clicking on the entries inside in the top 30 list)

http://indiancag.org/cagshop/ has some nice t-shirts

And Chandrababu Naidu will be there.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 02 Oct 2013 03:15

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 02 Oct 2013 03:36

Looks like saudification of Kashmir is almost complete.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 02 Oct 2013 04:37

It is complete sir.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 02 Oct 2013 05:50

having gone to trichy, i was wondering why did he miss going to srirangam temple?
perhaps he could have planned to meet his friends rajnikanth and jayalalita at the temple.

something really not worked well in those circles?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 02 Oct 2013 06:07

they havent taken TN as seriously as they should have, the low turnout is also because of the timing , no one is going to attend the rally on a weekday and that to at such odd hr, only die hard fans. if it had been chennai and on a sunday afternoon , it could have been much bigger crowd, having it in trichy didnt make any sense.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 02 Oct 2013 06:16

Maybe because Trichy has been a old BJP 'base'

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 02 Oct 2013 06:26

fanne wrote:Maybe because Trichy has been a old BJP 'base'

Out of curiosity, fanne-ji, when was Trichy an old BJP base? The only person who was elected from the BJP from here was R Kumaramangalam, and he was a Congressman, for most of his life, I think. He jumped to BJP, and was able to win, only on the basis of his own charisma and Jaya/Karunanidhi backing. Left to himself, I doubt he could even get himself elected to the Assembly on his own steam. As far as I can recall, Trichy never had a BJP cadre of any significance. Am I missing something here?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 02 Oct 2013 06:35

Good! so FC votes won't be wasted by Congress.

Facing strong Modi challenge in UP, Cong seeks alliance with BSP

http://epaper.dnaindia.com/story.aspx?i ... ed_page=12

jaladipc · Post by **jaladipc** » 02 Oct 2013 07:04

ravi_g wrote:Yaar I am loving it. Sometime back it was no economics on politics thread. Now its no religion on politics thread. Soon enough it could be No Dynasty on politics thread.

Aayiye aap sub mere saath bhagwat bhajan kareiye:
.................
.................

Hope this passes the constitutional law of right to freedom of sentiments.

Why dont you go and preach your right to religious freeDOM elsewhere?

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 02 Oct 2013 07:05

Nageshks ji,
Sorry got confused between Coimbatore and Trichy, Coimbatore and Kanya Kumari have been better base than Trichy, but Trichy is among the few bases that BJP has.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 02 Oct 2013 07:13

Thus it starts...

Supreme Court issues contempt notice to V K Singh

The Supreme Court Tuesday issued a notice of criminal contempt to former Army Chief Gen V K Singh, demanding that he explain his statements against the court's verdict on his age row.

A bench of Justices R M Lodha and H L Gokhale initiated suo motu contempt proceedings on the basis of a report published in The Indian Express on September 22, which reproduced Singh's statements to news agency ANI.

In the contempt notice, the bench mentioned that Singh was said to have issued certain statements to ANI, which "prima facie, scandalises or tends to scandalise this court".

"It also lowers or tends to lower the authority of this court, which is criminal contempt of court under Article 129 of the Constitution of India, read with Section 2(C) of the Contempt of Courts Act, 1971," the bench said.

"This court therefore takes cognizance of criminal contempt of court. Let a notice be issued to Gen V K Singh as to why proceedings be not initiated against him under the Contempt of Courts Act," it said.

What a shame!

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 02 Oct 2013 07:23

They wanted men then... they started drafting all boys below the legal age to enter the forces.. people were told to fake the ages if they pass medical tests.. and thus among many people who fought for freedom joined services with faking their age to serve the nation. One of them was my dad too. It is a shame to not recogonize their services to the nation..

It is not just shaming the nation, but throwing the nation into afpak region.

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 02 Oct 2013 07:26

Rethink among Tamil Nadu parties after Modi rally in Trichy
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 386238.cms

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 02 Oct 2013 07:36

SaiK garu,

That is the main problem.

'We' think it is politicization of society or discussion when people demand answers from leadership for their actions.

'We' justify leaders' decisions in the name of 'they did their best given the circumstances' and 'they made a decision based on information available' and demand benefit of doubt to the leadership.

'We' call for the nation to hang their heads in shame and 'we' claim to be ashamed to associate with the nation; all to exempt the leadership from their debautury of power and authority.

'We' justify all this nonsense because some white said that "In democracy the people get the leadership they deserve' and he said it in English so that is secular. Then what is the value addition from leadership? Then why do we want to put the Gandhi's and Nehru's on the pedestal for this nation is so shameful and blame Jinnah for the mistake of Pakistanis?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 02 Oct 2013 07:50

sooraj wrote:Rethink among Tamil Nadu parties after Modi rally in Trichy
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 386238.cms

If the article is indeed true, the only thing I can conclude is that the BJP has learnt nothing and forgotten nothing, like the French Bourbons. Really, its top leadership must be the most brain dead creatures, and their stubborn refusal to learn anything from their experiences puts a mule to shame. If the BJP walks this path, the `allies' will happily take the BJP vote, rob it of its cadre, and leave it a shell of its former self again, as they did in 2004. The only way the BJP can `win' is by increasing its vote share, and decimating other parties. Allies are not important, their vote is. The BJP will grow only when it can build its own base at the expense of the existing parties. Outside the MDMK, I would not like the BJP to go with any other party this time in Tamil Nadu (and even MDMK is a toss up - not really sure what they bring to the table). The BJP should be the leader of all alliances, even in the states, except where it is allied with ideological partners (like Akali Dal, or Shiv Sena).

PS: In this election, I am not so keen that the BJP come to power as that it grows using the Modi wave, to establish itself as an all India party, with a strong base in every state. The BJP, to my mind, will `win' in this election when it has more than 45% vote in states where it is in a direct contest with the Congress (Rajasthan, Delhi, Gujarat, MP,Chhattisgarh, Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand) , 35%+ vote in states where it is in power or has been in power on terms of near parity,at least once and is in a multidimensional contest (states like Karnataka, UP, Bihar, Jharkhand, Assam, and Maharashtra). In states with a substantial BJP presence like J&K, Haryana, and Orissa, I expect the BJP to pick up at least 25% of the vote (In J&K, the 25% can be easily achieved by consolidating the Hindu-Buddhist vote in Jammu, Udhampur and Ladakh - in fact, they should win all three ideally). Finally, in states where it has little to no presence, the BJP should try to grab 15-20% of the vote, using the Modi wave, and hopefully, get a seat or two (states like Bengal, Andhra, Kerala, and Tamil Nadu). Andhra may be a bit better - I am not so sure. Other Andhra experts can probably clarify. To me, establishing itself as a national party, and getting 190-200 seats on its own would constitute a full victory for the BJP. Even if the crippled Congress cobbles together a coalition to try and put a Third Front government in power, the BJP would be the `other pole' and would benefit from the natural polarisation in every state that will occur against the existing governments.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 02 Oct 2013 07:57

Few things that can create long lasting impact is

get the BRTS kind of system all over TN cities.
Get all TN cities interconnected with high speed rails and expressways
Develop larger pockets and distributed wealth management.

This will keep TN as BJP base for next 50 years. 108% guaranteed.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 02 Oct 2013 11:10

x-posted

Lot of people have been saying that inspite of Namo wave BJP will not be able to win substantially more seats in UP. My point is that either there is a wave in favour of Namo or there isn't. If there is indeed a wave happening 40-50 seats are a minimum for BJP. If there is no wave than BJP would be hard pressed to maintain its current tally(around ten seats). There is no way I see BJP at 20-30 seats in UP.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 02 Oct 2013 11:12

x-posted

A point of caution. Lot of posters have started to calculate electoral prospects of different political parties as per the current caste arithmetic. The problem with this approach is that it fails to account for a " Wave " type phenomenon that has started to happen in the case of Namo. When a wave is happening all the caste permutations and combinations start falling by the wayside.

disha · Post by **disha** » 02 Oct 2013 11:29

A wave is when an autorickshaw driver (or coolie or a maid servant or a farm labourer) in each and every village/town/urban center of India thinks that NaMo is a good candidate and should *win* and *will* win.

I saw, touched, felt and participated in the wave for NTR in AP. You have to be in one to really know when the wave is indeed a wave.

Currently NaMo wave is at a leading edge of a crest. And unlike early times, the national elections are phased elections.

Things are positive, but there is no room for complacency.

disha · Post by **disha** » 02 Oct 2013 11:31

SaiK wrote:having gone to trichy, i was wondering why did he miss going to srirangam temple?
perhaps he could have planned to meet his friends rajnikanth and jayalalita at the temple.

something really not worked well in those circles?

Earlier it was Madurai - they expected some 3k-5k crowd (still decent) in a town hall meeting. Later changed the venue when they realized that it is bigger than they thought.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 02 Oct 2013 12:24

Namo at Manthan, can watch live here:

http://t.co/Jqcavj1kZs

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 02 Oct 2013 12:35

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 02 Oct 2013 13:00

CBN is attending with modi.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 02 Oct 2013 13:25

INDIAN VILLAGE IS UNDER PAKISTAN OCCUPATION SINCE 22ND SEPTEMBER AND PM AND MOD COVERED it.

What more u need to call him a traitor?

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 02 Oct 2013 13:51

Narayana Rao wrote:INDIAN VILLAGE IS UNDER PAKISTAN OCCUPATION SINCE 22ND SEPTEMBER AND PM AND MOD COVERED it.

What more u need to call him a traitor?

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1497040

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 2#p1497042

Atri wrote:
SwamyG wrote:We should consider a limited war or stand off with Pakistan before elections. This will have influence on the elections.
TSPA as may very well happily oblige..

The thing is, Dilli Billi is in power throughout the Indo-Gangetic plains. The Dilli billi on either sides will not take too drastic steps to eliminate each other. The thing is that both in TSP and India, the dilli billi is being slowly replaced, due to their own corruption, ideologically purer ppl. TSP is inverse and distorted, but a mirror image of Desh. they have to follow the trend started in desh, they are bound by that inevitable connection. when this replacement of dilli billi is complete, this will offset the balance. One of the reasons why India is becoming warm to Hindutva is precisely this. This has been an ongoing cycle since WW1 but has accelerated after Soviet invasion on AFG..

so far as current situation is concerned, the dilli billi across the border can easily provide that opportunity to dilli billi on our side to appear strong and stay in power by taking few blows. It may not be a limited war (even limited way is too big for this), but well managed retreat after border skirmishes which are properly covered be paid media of desh and credit is given to MMS for showing the spin.

India has no choice but to be on defensive for next 5-6 years at least. Just hold on and survive until 2020. World is ours, there after. One can clean things up internally, meanwhile.

This is What I said few days ago about Paki-Dillibilli giving a nominal victory to Delhi-dillibilli to help them be in power so that every thing goes about as business as usual.

Restating it here for the record.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 02 Oct 2013 13:58

Narayana Rao wrote:INDIAN VILLAGE IS UNDER PAKISTAN OCCUPATION SINCE 22ND SEPTEMBER AND PM AND MOD COVERED it.

What more u need to call him a traitor?

Which village ???

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 02 Oct 2013 13:59

Sagar G wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:INDIAN VILLAGE IS UNDER PAKISTAN OCCUPATION SINCE 22ND SEPTEMBER AND PM AND MOD COVERED it.

What more u need to call him a traitor?
Which village ???

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/paki ... 12739.html

Pakistan Army has done it again. According to reports, Pakistan armymen have taken over Shala Bhata village in Kupwara district of Jammu and Kashmir.

According to IB sources, the troops were engaged in a 'small-scale war' with the Pakistan Army.

Pakistan armymen had entered a village in Kupwara on September 23.

Pakistan armymen entered Shala Bhata village in Kupwara on September 23.
Pakistan armymen entered Shala Bhata village in Kupwara on September 23.
Reports also suggest that the Pakistan armymen have taken control of few Indian posts.

The intermittent firing is going on at the Line of Control (LoC) between Indian Army and Pakistan Army regulars.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 02 Oct 2013 14:00

Kupwara Sector

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 02 Oct 2013 14:09

Totally missed this news. What is the latest update about it ???

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 02 Oct 2013 14:25

There were no reports to miss. Mod and pmo hidden it. Paid media obliged.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 02 Oct 2013 14:32

Sushupti wrote:what does this US stooge mean by "people like" ?

From this comment by PM, the letter from Shinde to all states, manufactured riots in UP and daily dose of secular venom from MSM, it is amply clear that they want this election to be fought on communalism issue and not on development/corruption/governance etc. They feel that they can handle communal polarization by their caste based B teams, but they have no answer to Vikas. Earlier they tried to pull off riots in EVERY SINGLE assembly election in GJ but failed miserably. This is because the administration was proactive and in anticipation AND The local muslims didn't venture into it (that is not because of their development BTW, but that is primarily because they saw the response of Hindu in 2002. Here is where I differ to Madhu Kishwar.). Their plan was to stir up riots and blame it on Modi at state, national and international level, which never realized. So NM already knows their plans are similar for 2014, so he is focusing only on development and corruption. He has yet to utter a word about muzaffarnagar. But it is notable that in between his speeches he spells out his definition of secularism. That means he is ready take the bull by its horns but in his own way.

I think from now on NM in his speeches should start exposing what "Secular Forces" means. Something on the lines

Secular forces == Cong B, C, D team
Secular forces == 'CBI blackmailed club' etc..

That said, I'm surprised that dynasty has not realized yet that creating communal polarization is not in their benefit. Just as everyone else they are under estimating Hindu forces. But then, they don't have their eyes and ears on ground so what else should we expect. Their biggest strength - centralized and unlimited power - is turning out to be their biggest weakness. They might have CBI, media, judges, phoren returned advisors at their helm... but they don't have a single leader who can guide them in right direction. If there was such a leader, we would have seen the elections already taken place by now. They should have collapsed the government far too earlier and blame it on MSY and bahenji and played the victim card. They can make MSY do whatever they want, so why not make sapa take the blame for collapsing the government instead of the blame for riots! Such a bunch of idiots.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 02 Oct 2013 14:41

Narayana Rao wrote:INDIAN VILLAGE IS UNDER PAKISTAN OCCUPATION SINCE 22ND SEPTEMBER AND PM AND MOD COVERED it.

What more u need to call him a traitor?

WTF

Do they think NM will keep quiet about this?