Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 03 Oct 2013 22:43

nageshks wrote: SS could have utilised the opportunity to articulate her own vision, and focus on party building. She simply did not do that (for whatever reasons).

nageshks ji; I have no difference of opinion with you on this. I have never said that SS drove the party to great heights -- that however is very different from committed attacks on BJP in trying to play one against another, as you have observed as well.

All this "ABV is a commie because he had tea with a SFI leader" type of analyses really has been bugging me for a time.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 Oct 2013 22:48

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 Oct 2013 22:51

Sanku wrote:
nageshks wrote: SS could have utilised the opportunity to articulate her own vision, and focus on party building. She simply did not do that (for whatever reasons).
nageshks ji; I have no difference of opinion with you on this. I have never said that SS drove the party to great heights -- that however is very different from committed attacks on BJP in trying to play one against another, as you have observed as well.

All this "ABV is a commie because he had tea with a SFI leader" type of analyses really has been bugging me for a time.

Looks like you didn't notice the "Puppyjhuppy", which just happened, between Sushama and Sardesai at the cost of .... . This has been the trait of Nehruvian lobby in BJP under "Atal" Ji.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 03 Oct 2013 22:57

An INdian Muslims Open letter to the Prime Minister

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 03 Oct 2013 23:00

negi, watch it, you will see why I am saying this. the similarities are eerie. in any case I doubt shahzada watches hindi movies.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 Oct 2013 23:06

'Temples are our dirtiest places. whenever we go we have to cover our noses' Toilets are holier than Temples'~ Jairam Ramesh.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 03 Oct 2013 23:08

Rahul Ji, i think you are bang on the buck on that assessment.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 03 Oct 2013 23:16

harbans wrote:An INdian Muslims Open letter to the Prime Minister

Bandaa rehtaa hai kuwait mei india ka jhanda lagaake? Hmmm zaroor koi suvvar ki aulaad ya INC setup to influence the voters lagtaa hai.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 03 Oct 2013 23:19

harbans wrote:An INdian Muslims Open letter to the Prime Minister

Look at the nutcases history of uploads especially the first graphic in the "article" by this jackass titled "Modi's secretly leading Indians towards a Civil War"

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 Oct 2013 23:34

Presentation by Modi's government on its efforts to provide Sanitation for all.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 03 Oct 2013 23:39

Surya wrote:i mean did he point that out , was there some sort of tweet \counter tweet??

thanks

No Modi spoke about it in Delhi's Rohini meeting, the fun part was he said "I don't know who that indian journalist was sitting there eating nawaz sharief's mithai and listening him insulting our PM........ but that journalist should have refused nawaz's mithai and walked out of there."

Burkha was up all night tweeting contradicting statements to clarify !

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 03 Oct 2013 23:44

Globally Journalism ko gali ke kutte ch*d gaey decades ago

Not much dignity and respect left in that profession IMO.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 03 Oct 2013 23:49

^the reason youtube should post it live and recorded to all.. even before journos get it, people may know what he is talking. all we need is direct 1:1 eye and ear engagement.

broadcasting is the way to go~ what amrikkhan does it is all twisted too.. e.g. afpak wars, gelf wars.. all twisted videos onlee, as there is filtered visibility via mouth piece media.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 03 Oct 2013 23:51

NaMo has been consistently raising toilets and sanitation issue in Gujarat for many years. He has been campaigning it extensively in many sammelans amongst common people. He has been in the forefront of it. There have been some studies which stated that girls do not attend schools due to lack of toilets. NaMo since 2004-5 has been talking about it.
Many of his speeches to people and the media also has this recurring theme.

He has a vision of zero garbage or something like that by 2030 for Gujarat.

He has been popularising and highlighting the upliftment of girl child since he came to know of their problems in 2004.

I don't find anything inconsistent about NaMo remarks regarding shauchalaya and devalaya.
He ws talking n positive sense.
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Jairam Ramesh was talking about the negativity and mocking tone.

Huge difference in the way the same subject is spoken.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 03 Oct 2013 23:52

I liked the PDS report by modi to mms talk..(CAG speech) it was soooo funny!

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 03 Oct 2013 23:55

Let's not forget journalism quality is only indicative of standard of word called 'international'.

The media companies are on payroll of so-called secular society's big name registered ™ companies. Its an extension of post colonial loot and scoot empire.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 04 Oct 2013 00:25

I think apart possibly from some paid media, there is genuinely a lack of basic perspective analytic abilities to see through simple logical constructs, even among very top level anchors. That reflects on the type of persons who join the journalist profession. The better ones are stuck to blogs, the ones that are the pull and money kinds, Macaulyte accented English elite kinds who wouldn't have cleared any professional level skill set examinations that most here who post have got a massive lift up to top editorial posts. We are seeing a genuine and complete lack of understanding simple truths behind developing complex situations. Common men not burdened by macaulyte complexities see through the mix easily..that is why there is Cognitive dissonance, and mouthing cliched platitudes taht take over their so called Analysis. KT is the most irritating and idiotic of the brand..

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 04 Oct 2013 01:05

Narendra Modi Full Statement on "Pehle Sochalay, Fir Devalay"

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 04 Oct 2013 01:27

harbans wrote:I think apart possibly from some paid media, there is genuinely a lack of basic perspective analytic abilities to see through simple logical constructs, even among very top level anchors. That reflects on the type of persons who join the journalist profession. The better ones are stuck to blogs, the ones that are the pull and money kinds, Macaulyte accented English elite kinds who wouldn't have cleared any professional level skill set examinations that most here who post have got a massive lift up to top editorial posts. We are seeing a genuine and complete lack of understanding simple truths behind developing complex situations. Common men not burdened by macaulyte complexities see through the mix easily..that is why there is Cognitive dissonance, and mouthing cliched platitudes taht take over their so called Analysis. KT is the most irritating and idiotic of the brand..

You are being kind here. They are crooks who think they are superior to ze hindoo fascists and hence end justifiez the means. In addition, many have been on the gravy train and now owe favours

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 04 Oct 2013 01:32

on this "sauchalay" issue, I'm not with Modi. he's letting headiness of "youth" crowds get to his head. he will pay for it, if he repeats this kind of crap a few more times. the non-youth crowd will start thinking he's nothing more than a "dynamic" version of Congis.

there is no need to put Sauchalay and Devalay in the same sentence. how are they related?

he can build as many sauchalays as he wants. but why equate it with Devalays? why correlate it with devalay? I don't understand the need to do that.

negi · Post by **negi** » 04 Oct 2013 01:41

^ Problem is more chronic , people from well to do families in India somehow fail miserably at bringing up their kids with right values and funny thing is they all would be mediocre or even lappu in school but somehow end up going to JNU, Miranda house , St. Stephens, Doon school and such leftist instis (sifarish and baap ka haat) that is why we see all these spoilt brats manning editorial posts today ; Pagalika, Nidhi R, BD and KT all went to these same instis , all were born in a well to do family and hence have a very similar approach to journalism.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 04 Oct 2013 02:02

devesh wrote:on this "sauchalay" issue, I'm not with Modi. he's letting headiness of "youth" crowds get to his head. he will pay for it, if he repeats this kind of crap a few more times. the non-youth crowd will start thinking he's nothing more than a "dynamic" version of Congis.

there is no need to put Sauchalay and Devalay in the same sentence. how are they related?

he can build as many sauchalays as he wants. but why equate it with Devalays? why correlate it with devalay? I don't understand the need to do that.

I think he must have received a phone call from elders asking him to control and not to reveal his Savarkaraite memes to aam janta. There is a very thin line between being a real Savarkaraite Hindutva-vadi and psudo-intellectual progressive macaulayite liberal. Not every one can be on constant vigil.

Savarkarite Hindutva is also one of the most advantageous position to go on offensive on abrahmic and western memes. But it is difficult terrain. It is well suited for platoon or company level operations, not Corps or Division level operations. Hindus as a whole rallying around NM are not as mobile and flexible as companies. He is operating on corps level. He has to consider all the rate-limiting steps while maneuvering this enormous war-machine. Fighting with siege heavy artillery has its own drawbacks and advantages.

Savarkaraite Hindutva is well suited for operations on smaller scale (something like Rajiv Malhotra, for example). Even Baba Ramdev, when heading the traditional army, has to give up some of the savarkaraite tendencies within him and adopt to newer and slower set-piece battle technique.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 04 Oct 2013 02:03

negi not well to do but elite.

Sagarika's father was head of DD Bhaskar Ghosh; gave the first contract to PRoy of NDTV
Rajdeep's father was a cricketer who was some how involved with the foreign exchange racket also
Bharka's mother was an HT reporter herself; she studied in Modern School the most elite school in Lutyen's Delhi at that time.
They are all part of the Delhi based C-System.

negi · Post by **negi** » 04 Oct 2013 02:08

^ No there is a reason I said that likes of KT, Pagalika etc are extreme cases but even in general day to day life what I see is people who have had it easy (read cozy high ranking Gobermund job/ black money / big business obviously paying zero tax) all such chaps have zero morals , what kind of upbringing will their kids get ? These kids tomorrow will be at obvious advantage when it comes to going to colleges or say getting a job in Govermund (wahan to sirf sifarish hi chalti hai) . Basically the rot just keeps on accumulating.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 04 Oct 2013 02:08

devesh wrote:on this "sauchalay" issue, I'm not with Modi. he's letting headiness of "youth" crowds get to his head. he will pay for it, if he repeats this kind of crap a few more times. the non-youth crowd will start thinking he's nothing more than a "dynamic" version of Congis.

Its also possible that Modi may be sending a clear signal of his caliber of thought to the many fence-sitters who have been scared into thinking that Modi is a Ram Sene type who will bludgeon party goers, force Hindu customs down people's throats and build mandirs not just in Ayodhya but encroaching on every street corner.

devesh wrote:there is no need to put Sauchalay and Devalay in the same sentence. how are they related?

Not sure what the big deal is. Shaucham is definitely related as a PRE-requisite to Devalaya. And there are many Sanskrit verses that mention them in the same sentence.

Those "non-youth" people who have a problem with this need to die off real fast. If there is any group of brilliant "traditionalists" that believes in restricting the right to vote, then they should apply it to numbskulls who can't see the difference between Jairam Ramesh saying this and Modi saying the same thing in a whole different context.

Hatched job mediapersons like Sagarika immediately went on Twitter and started comparing Modi to Jairam. Instead of going on the backfoot and caving in to this dumbing down of the discourse, why not forcefully set the record straight out there? Otherwise, one way or the other, Hindutva will become compromised by continuous capitulation - if not by pseudo-secularists then by pseudo-traditionalists.

disha · Post by **disha** » 04 Oct 2013 02:08

Dhananjay wrote:
Surya wrote:i mean did he point that out , was there some sort of tweet \counter tweet??

thanks
No Modi spoke about it in Delhi's Rohini meeting, the fun part was he said "I don't know who that indian journalist was sitting there eating nawaz sharief's mithai and listening him insulting our PM........ but that journalist should have refused nawaz's mithai and walked out of there."

Burkha was up all night tweeting contradicting statements to clarify !

It was hilarious. I saw Modi's speech. The story of NS talking sh8t with Barkha in tow had exploded earlier but as is the wont' of paid media, it was getting buried.

Modi did not name any journo, just pointed out that some Indian journos are getting mithais from bakistan. This threw Barkha in a tizzy and she dug a deep hole, plied it with dung and jumped into it herself. And there were others (all her media friends) which started doing "blame modi" campaign all over.

For eg. Barkha said (summarizations so some context will be lost)

1. NS said no such thing
1a to z: Calls the baki who broke it as liar, but the story is all over Utube., on their national news etc.
Calls everybody who trusts baki journos and not her (an Indian journo) as morons
2. Then when confronted further, she said she was not present when NS said such a thing
2a to z: Some more lies when she was present and when she was not present and who else was present,
at this stage some baki journos try to help her out and they end up saying as she was present and not present (one says she was not present while NS talked about it, another said the other journo was not present, but she was present and all circles)., of course Barkha is now caught with her chaddi in twist.

3. Barkha then says NS talks about a old tale of two old woman fighting in village etc. and nothing bad was meant for MMS.

So she was present and NS did not say "Dehati aurat" but "Dehati Budhiya" (Village old-woman).

At that stage, was not Modi right? That Barkha should have walked out in protest? Barkha was caught with her proverbial chaddis twisted and down.

Her reputation has been blown to smithereens and more importantly by giving this issue so much oxygen - in the eyes of politicos - she is now "damaged goods"!

What should she have done? She could have said this two simple things:

1. Yes, NS said things which I chose not to publish because they were below standard
2. Reported what NS said to the Indian High Commissioner
3*. Could have stated (even falsely) that she cautioned NS that such language is unbecoming of a PM.

But nah, just like Pavlovian dogs, they chose to attack Modi with lies and deceit and fell apart.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Oct 2013 02:19

Disha, Badmash calling MMS names is due to the latter complaining/informing BO of the infiltration which was a stab in the back.
The Paindabutt was being treacherous in supporting Badmash. Its not just a swipe at MMS.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 04 Oct 2013 02:21

Agnimitra wrote:Not sure what the big deal is. Shaucham is definitely related as a PRE-requisite to Devalaya. And there are many Sanskrit verses that mention them in the same sentence.

Those "non-youth" people who have a problem with this need to die off real fast. If there is any group of brilliant "traditionalists" that believes in restricting the right to vote, then they should apply it to numbskulls who can't see the difference between Jairam Ramesh saying this and Modi saying the same thing in a whole different context.

Agnimitra ji, as we discussed just now elsewhere, philosophically no issues.. electorally, it could have been avoided. Hindus are rallying around him howmuchever he wishes to projecthimself as sabka sath sabka vikas leader (which he is, no doubt). But Hindus are beginning to look at him as their leader.

I do not think this is really a big deal. he has already won over many hearts and they will not be deserting him and more, millions more will be joining him. But it is Sangh cadres which have been its core supporters even when there was no prospect for power for BJP. BJP is nothing but Sangh projected in political arena. The core-sanghis have been slightly hurt (may be even the word "hurt" is a bit too harsh, their feeling is not that intense) by this comment.

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 04 Oct 2013 02:28

This exact same phrasing was used by NaMo earlier this year and likely on other occasions. It was not something new for this occasion.
Around 2:40 in a Q&A and it has more context.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 04 Oct 2013 02:28

Agnimitra wrote: Those "non-youth" people who have a problem with this need to die off real fast. If there is any group of brilliant "traditionalists" that believes in restricting the right to vote, then they should apply it to numbskulls who can't see the difference between Jairam Ramesh saying this and Modi saying the same thing in a whole different context.

Hatched job mediapersons like Sagarika immediately went on Twitter and started comparing Modi to Jairam. Instead of going on the backfoot and caving in to this dumbing down of the discourse, why not forcefully set the record straight out there? Otherwise, one way or the other, Hindutva will become compromised by continuous capitulation - if not by pseudo-secularists then by pseudo-traditionalists.

"traditionalism"?! where did that come from? did I talk about that?

all the people who go to devalays, do so with "saucham". I don't know anybody who decides to go visit a devalay without taking a shower for a few days prior. it's ridiculous that we're even talking about this.

"sauchalay before devalay": that very sentence is a dumbing down of "discourse". why does Modi even feel the need to say that?
thanks but no thanks. I don't need Modi telling me we need sauchalays. I know that fact very well. was trained in how to use one by the very same "traditionalists" that you are accusing of being anti-sauchalay here.

Modi can make a convincing case for building more sauchalays, without talking about devalays. PERIOD. Devalay is an irrelevant thing in this discussion.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 04 Oct 2013 02:35

Agnimitra wrote: Its also possible that Modi may be sending a clear signal of his caliber of thought to the many fence-sitters who have been scared into thinking that Modi is a Ram Sene type who will bludgeon party goers, force Hindu customs down people's throats and build mandirs not just in Ayodhya but encroaching on every street corner.

Agree completely. Modi understands the political environment perfectly, and is a master at playing the game even on Congress/Paid-Media cultivated turf. He knows fully well the tenor of the propaganda being used against him, and grasps totally the power of the well-delivered and timely soundbite. There are crores and crores who are as ideologically committed as he is, or perhaps even more... but not one of them combines his degree of political acumen, administrative skill and visionary genius in a single package.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 04 Oct 2013 02:36

Move on with discussion on Toilets and temples.

The ITALIAN MAFIA is busy diving people of India over some various issues while nation is under occupation by Pakis

Pakistan’s Shala Bhata incursion: Three lessons for India

In New Delhi, officials insist that the intrusion into Shala Bhata, near Keran in Kashmir’s Kupwara district, is no Kargil. They’re right: that time, the intrusions ranged across hundreds of kilometres, and involved division-sized forces. Three lessons are key–and, unless politicians come clean with the country on just what is going on and what they mean to do about it, the risks of further crisis ahead are very real. First, this isn’t a infiltration, this is a full-blown incursion: The army has publicly cast this as just a larger version of the kind of jihadist infiltration which takes place all the time along the Line of Control. However, there’s plenty of reason to believe that isn’t the case. From yesterday’s press conference by Lieutenant-General Gurmit Singh, the XV corps commander, we know that the intruders have been firing on Indian troops for ten days, after what was seen as an infiltration was first blocked. Had infiltration into Jammu and Kashmir been the objective, the intruders would have tried to pull back at that point. Instead, more kept coming–including people Lieutenant-General Singh has said he thinks are Pakistani special forces personnel. This is an intrusion intended to send a message–not just another infiltration attempt. Its worth noting, parenthetically, that this kind of thing has happened before. In 1989, for example, Pakistan seized control of the Dalunang heights in Kargil’s Kaksar sector. Colonel Anil Shorey has told the story of India’s ill-fated attempts to retake the heights, a conflict the media did not discover for years afterwards. It was only in 1999 that Dalunang was retaken.

Second, there’s plenty of method in the Pakistan Army’s madness: The Shala Bhata incursion needs to be read in its context. Ever since 2008, when Ashfaq Parvez Kayani took over as Pakistan’s army chief, there has been a a steady escalation steadily escalation of hostilities on the Line of Control. Things reached new heights in recent months, with a series of incidents like the macabre beheading of two Indian soldiers, and the subsequent execution-style killings of five more. There’s good reason to believe, though, that the Indian Army’s been dishing out as good as its got: in recent weeks, army sources say, at least two Pakistani posts in the Mendhar sector have been obliterated in Indian offensive action, and another three rendered in-operational by sustained fire. The Shala Bhata incursion may be intended to signal the Pakistan army is willing to up the stakes–and to test just how far a war-averse Indian security establishment is willing to go to assert dominance on the Line of Control.

Third, this operation may not drag out much longer–but there’s a high probability of more trouble ahead. Army sources are telling Firstpost there’s some signs the intruders have pulled back–possibly in response to the realisation among Pakistan’s generals that the media outcry will force harsher action. The Indian Army, though, still hasn’t recovered the bodies of intruders it says its killed. This gives us some idea about the slow progress of Indian army operations. Lieutenant-General Singh announced the killings of the intruders several days ago. That the bodies haven’t been recovered could mean one of two things: either Indian troops have been unable into the areas where the intruders’ bodies are, or the intruders have a logistical line open into Pakistani-occupied Kashmir and have evacuated the corpses. Either way, this operation hasn’t exactly covered itself in glory. The lack of a firm retaliatory response is likely to embolden Pakistani strategists–and that’s very bad news for India.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 04 Oct 2013 02:38

devesh wrote:
Agnimitra wrote: Those "non-youth" people who have a problem with this need to die off real fast. If there is any group of brilliant "traditionalists" that believes in restricting the right to vote, then they should apply it to numbskulls who can't see the difference between Jairam Ramesh saying this and Modi saying the same thing in a whole different context.

Hatched job mediapersons like Sagarika immediately went on Twitter and started comparing Modi to Jairam. Instead of going on the backfoot and caving in to this dumbing down of the discourse, why not forcefully set the record straight out there? Otherwise, one way or the other, Hindutva will become compromised by continuous capitulation - if not by pseudo-secularists then by pseudo-traditionalists.
"traditionalism"?! where did that come from? did I talk about that?

all the people who go to devalays, do so with "saucham". I don't know anybody who decides to go visit a devalay without taking a shower for a few days prior. it's ridiculous that we're even talking about this.

"sauchalay before devalay": that very sentence is a dumbing down of "discourse". why does Modi even feel the need to say that?
thanks but no thanks. I don't need Modi telling me we need sauchalays. I know that fact very well. was trained in how to use one by the very same "traditionalists" that you are accusing of being anti-sauchalay here.

Modi can make a convincing case for building more sauchalays, without talking about devalays. PERIOD. Devalay is an irrelevant thing in this discussion.

With all respect, you sir make some great contributions here.

You have to relax and back off. Just judge him by what he delivered and don't fall for the tricks of PAIDMEDIA.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 04 Oct 2013 02:48

People have missed Sriram ji's video on NM above. Watch from 2h 42 min. NM uses again the theme pehle Shauchalya and then Devalaya..and talks about programs he has already implemented with background. NO he is not playing to the gallery..he is THAT what he is saying. We are witnessing the rise of one of India's greatest statesmen..need to get earlier speeches where he mentions that.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 04 Oct 2013 02:49

devesh wrote:"traditionalism"?! where did that come from? did I talk about that?

all the people who go to devalays, do so with "saucham". I don't know anybody who decides to go visit a devalay without taking a shower for a few days prior. it's ridiculous that we're even talking about this.

"sauchalay before devalay": that very sentence is a dumbing down of "discourse". why does Modi even feel the need to say that?
thanks but no thanks. I don't need Modi telling me we need sauchalays. I know that fact very well. was trained in how to use one by the very same "traditionalists" that you are accusing of being anti-sauchalay here.

Modi can make a convincing case for building more sauchalays, without talking about devalays. PERIOD. Devalay is an irrelevant thing in this discussion.

Irrelevant? If it was irrelevant then why would he choose to phrase it that way? Check 2:42 in the speech video posted by nsriram above. Modi has been using that phrase "PEHLE shaucalaya, PHIR devalaya" for at least a few months now. You have to at least ask yourself "why" before succumbing to the cheap tricks of the paid-media.

It comes down to political ethics - the moral responsibility and freedom of the politician to say and do as he truly believes rather than be completely subject to "moral consensus". For a discussion of this in modern era politics one could check Locke and Hume. This "moral consensus" can be especially stultifying when the bully pulpit is currently dominated by either pseudo-secular Marxists, or the most egregious religious nutcases from different communities and their nightmarish "morals".

Secondly, now that the paid-media has made it a big issue - and since we're confident that it won't really disturb Modi's main support base as Atri ji pointed out - this storm in a teacup gives us the opportunity to observe and note the moral faultlines out there. We already know about the Marxists, the Islamists, the Missionaries, but I think that in the near or medium term, the biggest challenge will be to prevent the Hindutva wave from acting as a carrier for (or being cuckolded by) the pseudo-"traditionalists" within.

Therefore, at a "posse" level (to use Atri ji's size metaphor), we should go out and forcefully defend this phraseology and buzzword - argue it intelligently to the public, as well as to the pseudo-"traditionalists" who think they are arbiters of who is genuine "Hindu" and "Dharmic" and who isn't.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 04 Oct 2013 02:50

I have been thinking about this Shala Bhata incursion.

There is no obvious strategic goal that the Pakis could be trying to achieve with it (unlike say Kargil, where "internationalizing" J&K was the prize).

However, if the incident blows up into a "Kargil Reprise" situation in the Paid Media... guess who benefits from that in elections 7 months from now. Rahul Gandhi has already been painted as the "No-Nonsense Anti-Corruption Hero" with respect to MMS on the Ordinance affair.

Imagine a setup where MMS goes to meet Nawaz Sharif in NY (an unpopular meeting, after the beheading incident)... gets called a "Dehati Aurat"... comes back to India to face all-out Kargil type backstabbing unfolding in Keran sector... and finally, when his widely advertised reputation as a Pakistan-symapthizing Pappi-Jhappi Aman-ki-Asha WKK is at an all time low, gets told to take a hike by the Knight in Shining Armour Rahul Gandhi.

3-4 months before the election, Rahul Gandhi takes charge as PM and fights the Pakistani intrusion in Keran (which has been deliberately allowed to fester until then... a possible explanation for the anger of Lt.Gen Gurmeet Singh of 15 Corps at the press conference.) IA takes on the (by now well entrenched) PA/Tanzeems, and after much sacrifice and valour, kicks out the Pakis. The Paid Media builds up war hysteria to the exclusion of everything else... Modi, Shodi, Governance, Shovernance, Corruption, Shorruption.

Then the May elections come.

Even if the Indian people are not fooled by a set-piece tamasha like this, it provides enough "cover" for EVM magic to provide Rahul Gandhi with electoral success in 2014.

And what do the Pakis get for their role in this? For one thing, maybe a J&K "settlement" along Washington's preferred lines has already been finalized... and will be given to Pakistan by Rahul Gandhi as the gracious victor after he has won both war and election. For another thing... the Pakis get a non-MODI-fied New Delhi, guaranteed.

Possible?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Oct 2013 02:52

indirectly is it nawaz shariff getting a market or dehati aurats getting triggered to perform? well MMS has to speak about this.. well ... err what am i asking for?

but, heck with him.. give him a break, and let him retire his services by EoY.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 04 Oct 2013 02:53

You have to relax and back off. Just judge him by what he delivered and don't fall for the tricks of PAIDMEDIA.

Shauch indeed is priority in the Dharmic setup. [10 essentials of Dharma are: dhriti, kshama, dama, asteya, shauch, (indraiya-nigrah, dhi, vidya, satya, akrodha. NM is right!]

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 04 Oct 2013 02:53

Rudradev wrote:Modi understands the political environment perfectly, and is a master at playing the game even on Congress/Paid-Media cultivated turf. He knows fully well the tenor of the propaganda being used against him, and grasps totally the power of the well-delivered and timely soundbite. There are crores and crores who are as ideologically committed as he is, or perhaps even more... but not one of them combines his degree of political acumen, administrative skill and visionary genius in a single package.

RD guru, that was exactly my first impression from this quote!

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 04 Oct 2013 02:56

Rudra ji, Tom Clancy just died..and he was not that wild off. Sometimes fact is much simpler than any CT we can dream off. SO unless you have some really solid indications to show that an attack on India is being coordinated by powers that be, let us leave it off the table for now. No offense is intended obviously.