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Uhh...Alvarez is a professional, he can take great shots with a pin hole camera. This has nothing to do with gear, it has everything to do with skill and inclination. Next week NATGEO or another magazine will publish pictures high-lighting another camera.
Raja Bose wrote:Now which "good" "low end" camera has been used till date to do those type of 3 page fanfold photo spreads of the kind National Geographic is famous for?....do let me know coz I am curous
If you must ask, then it really doesn't matter...be happy with the Lumia 1020 or 1050 as it is capable enough.
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Thanks Gus and nachiket. Guess I have a properly unlocked iPhone 5 now, then. Sweet!
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Mort Walker wrote:Uhh...Alvarez is a professional, he can take great shots with a pin hole camera. This has nothing to do with gear, it has everything to do with skill and inclination. Next week NATGEO or another magazine will publish pictures high-lighting another camera.
ooooh....so now gear doesn't matter all of a sudden...its all about skill now hain ji? :mrgreen: Then why did he need to use a DSLR till now....shouldn't he be using a pinhole camera like you claim? Talk about being blind to reality :rotfl:
Mort Walker wrote:
Raja Bose wrote:Now which "good" "low end" camera has been used till date to do those type of 3 page fanfold photo spreads of the kind National Geographic is famous for?....do let me know coz I am curous
If you must ask, then it really doesn't matter...be happy with the Lumia 1020 or 1050 as it is capable enough.
No really give me a straight answer for a change instead of your usual hand waving BS and couching your biases as 'unbiased' opinions or at least have the courage and conviction to take a stand and openly be secure in your bias. Since you made the claim that this makes it just a "good low end" camera onlee, lets see you back up your claim with some evidence for a change - which other "low end" camera has been used for this type of photos...links/references/samples please.

Honestly, I haven't seen any "good low end" camera take such shots which are high quality enough to be printed for a 3 page spread in National Geographic (printed, not just viewed on some grainy monitor). And if that is "just a good low end" camera, what exactly is an excellent low-end camera and a good high-end camera? What do they produce - pictures of Gods? :lol:
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Raja Bose wrote:
Honestly, I haven't seen any "good low end" camera take such shots which are high quality enough to be printed for a 3 page spread in National Geographic (printed, not just viewed on some grainy monitor). And if that is "just a good low end" camera, what exactly is an excellent low-end camera and a good high-end camera? What do they produce - pictures of Gods? :lol:

The NATGEO pictorial was paid by Nokia. I suggest you look a bit more, there are several landscape pictorials in many places. Try Michael Riechmaan (spelling?) at Luminous Landscapes as he tries lots of cameras. I don't think you will ever listen or bother to understand as you are stuck in your own biases. I am at least trying to get a Lumia 1020 to use, when I have the money for it.
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Suraj wrote:Thanks Gus and nachiket. Guess I have a properly unlocked iPhone 5 now, then. Sweet!
Jailbreak it too. I did so about two years ago and will never go back to stock. apple is soooo behind, compared to their own jb community on many functionalities, forget about android.
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Gus: I've 6.1.3 . Can't (yet) be jailbroken.
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Android has so much bloatware that its a pain. Running processes include all sorts of google this, google that, battery drainers.
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I don't understand this whole camera debate. The most popular camera in flickr is iPhone. Not canon or Nikon. So does iPhone do a better job than even a low end canon? I am not so sure. Popularity is one thing and quality is other.

Second thing about cameras is that beyond a point additional quality requires exponential investment in size, weight and cost. In a bright well lit scene a full frame camera will only do a slightly better job than a 1/2.5 inch sensor f/4 cheap point and shoot. Get into a darker museum and the cheaper camera will downhill ski like the TFTAs of NLI. Same thing with sports shooting. Sports photographers shoot under very challenging conditions and lug large heavy equipment.

The question is, will cell phone cameras become more popular than DSLRs: they are already. Refer to flickr. Will they do a good enough job in most favorable conditions? Probably yes. Will they rival DSLRs in quality? Absolutely not.

The selling point of DSLRs (or what people mean by "quality") is that their best shot in the hands of the same person will be 10x better than anything with a tiny sensor and a pin hole as an aperture. In the average case, they produce more well shot pictures that a point and shoot or cell phone cam. For some this is important. When I am not hiking much, I take a DSLR for the very same reason. Note that what I am not saying is "even if you try hard enough you cannot produce a good shot with a cell phone can or point and shoot".

I made a book of breathtaking shots when I was chasing my SHQ and we used to hike together. They were all taken in canon S40. One in 20 shots used to be good. I have a 5 years old rebel xs now. One in 4 shots are good.
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Mort Walker wrote:
Raja Bose wrote:
Honestly, I haven't seen any "good low end" camera take such shots which are high quality enough to be printed for a 3 page spread in National Geographic (printed, not just viewed on some grainy monitor). And if that is "just a good low end" camera, what exactly is an excellent low-end camera and a good high-end camera? What do they produce - pictures of Gods? :lol:

The NATGEO pictorial was paid by Nokia.
And that will magically make the 1020's photos of quality excellent enough to meet Nat Geo's magazine standards? You would imagine the readers would notice wouldn't they? Seriously, think before posting inane arguments.
I don't think you will ever listen or bother to understand as you are stuck in your own biases. I am at least trying to get a Lumia 1020 to use, when I have the money for it.
Post facts to back up your opinions and I will listen to what you say. Hand waving BS and shoot-and-scoot is not too impressive is it? How hard it is for you to find a low end camera which has been used to take shots of equivalent quality and post about it here? If its hard, then please explain what was the basis of your learned opinion in the first place? You want to peddle BS tau ji, be prepared to be called out on it and put in a spot :P
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The question is simple....will phone cameras eat into DSLR market share, not just P&S. The answer earlier would have been no. But now the answer seems to be yes, there is a very strong possibility. Someone posted numbers here once which also indicate that trend. Purity be damned, world doesn't care.


Now will phone cams kill the DSLR segment, the answer is no. You will always have folks like the above mentioned sports photos who will need the whole shebang. But for most amateurs and quite a few pros it looks like convenience vs quality will make phone cams like the 1020's successors eat into the DSLR's share as the quality may not be equal or better but rather good enough even for a pro (like Alvarez points out). And this type of market penetration was non existent earlier due to such a large gap between camera capabilities between phones, p&s and DSLRs. Now that gap is closing....which typically is an indicator of disruption.
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This camera phone, DSLR discussion reminds me about Ball-pen versus Fountain-pen/Ink-pen discussions. Our class teacher had gone to the limit of banning the use of ball-pens, saying they are not classy and spoil hand-writing, does not look good, etc. The world has moved so fast, that now her grand-children would not be using ANY pen, but tapping merrily on a tab. Classy Ink-pens exist even today, but I am pretty sure (hope at least) that this caste system of Ink-pen versus Ball-pen has disappeared.

Sorry, a bit OT.
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But for most amateurs and quite a few pros it looks like convenience vs quality will make phone cams like the 1020's successors eat into the DSLR's share as the quality may not be equal or better but rather good enough even for a pro (like Alvarez points out).
Amateurs yes. Pros -- absolutely not!

For one, cost is not a factor for Pros. They typically spend upwards of $20,000 on their equipment (you would too if I told you your income for the next dozen years is completely dependent on the quality of photos you take). OTOH If you are a typical abdul, you would wonder "Why should I spend $200 on a P&S when I have a phone and can take pics with it".

One of the things with DSLR is the degree of manual control it affords you. This is from national geographic too, considerably more challenging than landscape photography. Imagine the aperture and shutter speed needed for this shot. The lens can be swapped out if you are shooting at a wedding.
Image

Arguing that phone cameras (and even P&S) will replace DSLRs for pros is like arguing automatic shifts will replace manual shifts for race car drivers. For normal abduls, it does a good enough job (I get frustrated sometimes, but the convenience of not having to change gears trumps the moronic decisions my car makes sometimes). Pro drivers wont touch auto shifts with a ten foot pole. If you spend some time in pro-photography forums, you would see people complaining about such things like grips (their hands get tired) and placement of knobs and dials (they need to change settings fast). Pros are that nitpicky -- and for a good reason.

Think about it this way. No matter how good a camera you can cram into a cell phone, people can do a better job in cramming a better camera into a P&S for the same price -- which affords same convenience as portability. You save on radio, flash, LCD, maybe even the processor and GPU -- which you can invest in better optics and sensor. You P&S need not be as thin as a cell phone, you have bit more space for better optics. If you are a pro and are looking to junk your DSLR, would you buy a phone or this P&S?
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^^^Alvarez actually mentions the DSLR like manual controls in the 1020 as one of the best things he liked. And this guy is a pro so I would imagine he knows his DSLRs well.

Will it replace the DSLR for the pro...no. They will always have it but will it cause them to use it less....it sure looks like it for at least some of them. This is where quality vs portability comes into play. Earlier they didn't even have an option but to always lug the heavy kit....now they have an option and in fact it opens up more options especially in outdoors photography....options they didn't have due to lack of portability of the good kit and lack of quality in the portable kit.

But then pros are not the only ones who buy DSLRs....the defection I am mainly expecting is from the aam Abdul consumer segment.

yes one can stuff in all sorts of gizmos in camera bodies and try to beat phone cams but given the rate at which capabilities are consolidating at the silicon level, it just doesn't make economic sense anymore from a BOM perspective. Just like it doesn't make sense to make a palm folio type of thin client computer with a crippled CPU instead of a full blown laptop...the pennies saved don't make any impact and they cannot win the game against convenience and portability, just like the GPS. And the camera manufacturers know this better than anybody....why do you think they are aggressively diversifying or even scaling back exclusively consumer camera only activities.
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After crazy press like:
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This is what the internet press thinks will eat Microsoft/Sony's lunch:
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Even the cheapest Steam Machine is going to cost more than Xbox One. :rotfl:
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^^^its not about the price of the console but rather does valve have the muscle to woo big game companies? As Ouya has shown, gaming is still driven by them and not small indie ones. Mickey runs a full blown game design studio (343 Industries) and has been hugely successful with it....can valve topple that, that is the question?
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Why do apps crash so much on Android?
I can understand that happening on my Galaxy SII skyrocket as I have some build of Cyanogenmod on it. Even though it is "stable", it is unofficial. It is a battery drain if I have 3G on.
However on the ASUS Transformer TF201 which I have lately started using for evening and weekend home use... the performance is underwhelming. I read so many good things about Tegra 2 in 2011!
I'm almost inclined to sell this and switch to a Windows 8 tablet like the Dell Venue pro they announced.
Not just stability, general user experience, keyboard etc. is not that great.

BTW I went to US last month for a quick trip. Got a Nokia 920 and iPhone 4s 64GB from craigslist sellers for $200 and $330 each. The 920 was unlocked by the guy with ATT's code in front of me. I have been playing with it. Camera is much better than any phone's I have used. The user experience is also fine. BRF loads better with text nicely sized, IE excludes empty area and focuses right on text. Pretty decent. I will gift it to someone in family who doesnt neet many apps, just good camera and facebook.
The iPhone I got for SHQ to use as an ipod touch which can be used as a phone if needed. Good to have facetime and siri as well. It has a chip which unlocked it in the US (ATT and T Mobile) but it does not work with an Indian sim. I guess I will need to get it unlocked by paying for the code from some website. Any suggestions? At the moment we don't need the phone functionality so it is cool for now.
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^

Archan,

I took a iPhone 3GS and IPhone 4 (old ones) to india after getting them unlocked in US. They worked fine with some sims and not so with others. I think it is something to do with the service provides in India. Please try with different sims to see if it is an unlocking issue or SP issue.
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remember, the only thing that can roadblock mobile devices and gizmos are the battery. the faster we move towards least power drain apps, devices, and subcomponentary, the better we can utilize power. baterry technology is also getting up to nano-computing levels.. where it is easy to store battery power at nano-particle charges. i am not sure, where that r&d has ended.

also, there is a big cahuna market capitalization and chewing strategy in mobile world in the name of security and safety.. some of these QoS itself would restrict apps of the future.. so again, move those QoS to hardware chip level functionality with least power drain wafers.

apps crashing could also be part of defect of the app.
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anmol wrote: Even the cheapest Steam Machine is going to cost more than Xbox One. :rotfl:
:rotfl: all you want. Maybe even make 600$?!! Unlocked?!! Comment.

Valve's real threat is not that they are going to make much better hardware or cheaper than anyone else. The real threat is their software: if they can leverage steam (it was 50 million users) to move everyone from PC games to their machine and in the process take a bite of consoles too. Take handhelds for example, iOS and Android game sales have crushed the revenues of Nintendo and Sony handhelds put together. Arguably the controls and gaming build quality of iPads, iPhones android tablets and phones are nowhere near dedicated handhelds. They are also much costlier. Still they have crushed them.

There is a real opportunity for Steamboxes. PC utilization for entertainment has been steadily decreasing -- people browse, watch videos, listen to songs, chat etc on their tablets, phones not their PCs. If such couch potatoes can be moved from PC gaming to the TV to play games using steambox it is a win for Valve.
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Longish but interesting article about Mahdi unveiling the iPhone
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/magaz ... d=all&_r=0
The iPhone could play a section of a song or a video, but it couldn’t play an entire clip reliably without crashing. It worked fine if you sent an e-mail and then surfed the Web. If you did those things in reverse, however, it might not. Hours of trial and error had helped the iPhone team develop what engineers called “the golden path,” a specific set of tasks, performed in a specific way and order, that made the phone look as if it worked.
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Jobs wanted the demo phones he would use onstage to have their screens mirrored on the big screen behind him. To show a gadget on a big screen, most companies just point a video camera at it, but that was unacceptable to Jobs. The audience would see his finger on the iPhone screen, which would mar the look of his presentation. So he had Apple engineers spend weeks fitting extra circuit boards and video cables onto the backs of the iPhones he would have onstage. The video cables were then connected to the projector, so that when Jobs touched the iPhone’s calendar app icon, for example, his finger wouldn’t appear, but the image on the big screen would respond to his finger’s commands. The effect was magical. People in the audience felt as if they were holding an iPhone in their own hands. But making the setup work flawlessly, given the iPhone’s other major problems, seemed hard to justify at the time. {This is why Mahdi was the ultimate showman}
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They preprogrammed the phone’s display to always show five bars of signal strength regardless of its true strength. The chances of the radio’s crashing during the few minutes that Jobs would use it to make a call were small, but the chances of its crashing at some point during the 90-minute presentation were high. “If the radio crashed and restarted, as we suspected it might, we didn’t want people in the audience to see that,” Grignon says. “So we just hard-coded it to always show five bars.”
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None of these kludges fixed the iPhone’s biggest problem: it often ran out of memory and had to be restarted if made to do more than a handful of tasks at a time. Jobs had a number of demo units onstage with him to manage this problem. If memory ran low on one, he would switch to another while the first was restarted.
This is what goes behind the ultimate showmanship!
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I read that article yesterday. Very interesting, though some aspects of the project seemed embellished in a 'ZOMG! never done before!' sense. Funniest part was the episode where the radio engineers tried to veto the brushed Al body due to signal attenuation issues, and the designers' suggestion that they just leave a slit in the body for the radio waves to enter/exit. I laughed at that part, and didn't know whether it was just embellished humor for NYT consumption or they really had such a learning curve to surmount.
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have you read the wifi antenna design issue with iphones.. this is all market driven hype value just by look and feel alone.. consumer complained to jobs that if i hold the phone this way, i don't get connectivity.. jobs replied: you are holding the wrong way.. can any other person said that would have survived? or be accepted as customer/user/usability centric reply?

WTF! people in amrikkha are as moorkh as any dehaati place in the world... the band bajao and bandwagon will follow will create markets.
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Anujan wrote:
anmol wrote: Even the cheapest Steam Machine is going to cost more than Xbox One. :rotfl:
:rotfl: all you want. Maybe even make 600$?!! Unlocked?!! Comment.

Valve's real threat is not that they are going to make much better hardware or cheaper than anyone else. The real threat is their software: if they can leverage steam (it was 50 million users) to move everyone from PC games to their machine and in the process take a bite of consoles too.
Problem is that they are not moving people from PC to consoles like Xbox One or PS4, they want people to move to SteamOS running on their custom PCs. Like the "machines" sold by Razer and Dell(Alienware). So only thing that would really change for their users is what they buy for their gaming rig and yes the OS. I also expect lot of these guys to still run Steam on Windows or dual boot instead of just using SteamOS.
Raja Bose wrote:^^^its not about the price of the console but rather does valve have the muscle to woo big game companies?
They can if there were enough people using SteamOS who would buy AAA games. So the first challenge would be to lure people to SteamOS, I guess by using HL3 Portal Left4Dead etc.

Lets say they are successful in selling SteamMachine/SteamOS to their 50 million users. These pc gamers would still be using PCs with steam running on different OS. How would that affect Ms/Sony ?

That is why price matters. I dont see many console gamers switching to this ecosystem with fewer and worse games (in terms of optimization) and more expensive machines than PS4/Xbox.
Anujan wrote:Take handhelds for example, iOS and Android game sales have crushed the revenues of Nintendo and Sony handhelds put together. Arguably the controls and gaming build quality of iPads, iPhones android tablets and phones are nowhere near dedicated handhelds. They are also much costlier. Still they have crushed them.
I would argue, they succeeded because of better and more affordable hardware considering smartphones and tablets are not one trick ponies like handheld gaming devices.
Anujan wrote:There is a real opportunity for Steamboxes. PC utilization for entertainment has been steadily decreasing -- people browse, watch videos, listen to songs, chat etc on their tablets, phones not their PCs. If such couch potatoes can be moved from PC gaming to the TV to play games using steambox it is a win for Valve.
And MS and Sony are already in living room with more capable machines for money that can do all those things AND that one thing that steam does that current gen consoles couldn't.
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Suraj wrote:I read that article yesterday. Very interesting, though some aspects of the project seemed embellished in a 'ZOMG! never done before!' sense. Funniest part was the episode where the radio engineers tried to veto the brushed Al body due to signal attenuation issues, and the designers' suggestion that they just leave a slit in the body for the radio waves to enter/exit. I laughed at that part, and didn't know whether it was just embellished humor for NYT consumption or they really had such a learning curve to surmount.
Eventually Mark Papermaster got fired for crap like that while Ive Baba is still around. :roll:

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Gaming consoles are now like custom PCs onlee since consoles like XBox One and PS4 have moved to x86 architecture. And success of a console has very little to do with console price as that is a one-time expense unlike the consumables (games) - the latter is where profit is made.
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Anujan wrote:Longish but interesting article about Mahdi unveiling the iPhone
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/magaz ... d=all&_r=0
Jobs wanted the demo phones he would use onstage to have their screens mirrored on the big screen behind him. To show a gadget on a big screen, most companies just point a video camera at it, but that was unacceptable to Jobs. The audience would see his finger on the iPhone screen, which would mar the look of his presentation. So he had Apple engineers spend weeks fitting extra circuit boards and video cables onto the backs of the iPhones he would have onstage. The video cables were then connected to the projector, so that when Jobs touched the iPhone’s calendar app icon, for example, his finger wouldn’t appear, but the image on the big screen would respond to his finger’s commands. The effect was magical. People in the audience felt as if they were holding an iPhone in their own hands. But making the setup work flawlessly, given the iPhone’s other major problems, seemed hard to justify at the time. {This is why Mahdi was the ultimate showman}
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This is what goes behind the ultimate showmanship!
I guess the NYT author has never seen old GB phone demos.... :lol: they were all done like that since all those Symbian phones had component video out by default for many years. But then like the Mahdi said, perception is everything! :mrgreen: Doing something original is not good enough, whoever gets perceived as being the pioneer gets the credit and most SDREs coming to massa to work/study learn this the hard way.
Forstall said during his testimony that some labs required you to “badge in” four times.
BTW this is still there and for some its > 4.
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http://data-informed.com/india-to-open- ... broadband/
dated article
I think India should only focus on IPv6

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... allocation
check the status... hungry usa and china
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Host trace to
iisc.ernet.in
18 hops / 21.5 seconds


1. 1*2.2*1.1*2.253 [edited for not disclosing my ip]
United States 2. nlayer.net
United States 3. nlayer.net
United States 4. nlayer.net
Germany 5. tinet.net
6. tinet.net
Canada 7. as6453.net
United States 8. as6453.net
Canada 9. as6453.net
Canada 10. as6453.net
Canada 11. as6453.net
Canada 12. as6453.net
Spain 13. 80.231.131.114
14. Unknown
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India 16. vsnl.net.in
India 17. vsnl.net.in
18. Unknown

just tried how long to hit iisc from home. wow! look at the route.
india has got to go long way for global e-commerce.. i was thinking about cloud computing from desh as new mantra
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archan wrote:
mahadevbhu wrote:So,

I bought me a refurb Lenovo Laptop from the US, and am now in India. Spoke to Lenovo, they said that we donot have international warranty only...only US warranty.

It is giving me some trouble with the sound card: mic and speakers. They go off when not required, especially when I use Skype to call other people.

How to solve this?
Perhaps try another OS to make sure it is not some program or driver that is causing it.
You could try a live CD.
If the hardware is bad, then one could look for a USB soundcard. I had one with a Line In and Line Out.
Interdastingly , I stopped having this issue for the last 2-3 days. The TP 530 runs Windows 7.

I have another Sammy 11.6 incher running Win 8.....and I daresay that Win 8 is a fine piece of work.

Somethings wrong with the keyboard though on this one. P , the letter, seems to be stuck sometimes, also zero. Top right corner of the keyboard is stuck sometimes and have to bang my fingers on the keyboard to make it work.

Maybe its because I take my labtob to the botty so much! wet atmosbhere causes issues.

Excuse me but the bee key is not working :mrgreen:
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Anujan wrote: If such couch potatoes can be moved from PC gaming to the TV to play games using steambox it is a win for Valve.
Anujan saar (now you have become a mod, doesn't hurt to suck up a little :wink: )

There is a precedence to this prediction. Back in the days when gaming consoles were at their peak (this was during pre-iPhone time), the stats were that a failed game on a console would earn several multiple of a very successful game on a PC. But then PCs were quite wimpy - 32 bit with expensive gaming graphics cards.
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SaiK wrote:Host trace to
iisc.ernet.in
18 hops / 21.5 seconds
mantra
SaiK, you should redact more digits to be effective. Otherwise one grand combos which can be culled by some carefool guessing.
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you are right.. it is a question of 0-9... and this new $$_pid prevention policy on edits.

btw, pooch to net gurus.. anyone can explain bandwidth,capacity and spectrum?
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Have gaming consoles suffered at hands of smartphones? I am talking about non-handhelds here. I don't think so....at least not for the big 2...mickey and Sony. If anything they are becoming a one stop living room entertainment center. Interestingly while our tech bloggers go gaga over the iPhunwa fingerprint sensor, they are clueless about how revolutionary the new Kinect sensor actually is both in terms of technology and future interactions in the living room - its not about playing games.
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Bose babu,
> Have gaming consoles suffered at hands of smartphones?
Not yet, sire, not yet. OTOH, they are going to step up in a lock-step manner till gaming consoles reach 128 bit (x = 2^128). Number of (Hydrogen) atoms in the universe is about 10^80 which is less than ~x^2. Next technological family is 2^256 or x^2 :)
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None of the highest selling games on consoles (or even PCs) are available on tablets and smartphones. They have graphics requirements that will make a usual tablet hardware explode, which means any tablet version will need to have significantly degraded graphics.

Console/PC gamers and Tablet gamers are totally different audiences IMHO.
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Raja Bose wrote:And that will magically make the 1020's photos of quality excellent enough to meet Nat Geo's magazine standards? You would imagine the readers would notice wouldn't they? Seriously, think before posting inane arguments.
Speaking of NATGEO, here is another set of pics by another pro using an iPhone 5s.
Capturing the Aura of the Scottish Highlands With the iPhone 5s

As I said, a pro can take great shots with any device in his or her's hands. They will make it good enough for anyone including NATGEO or Discovery channel.
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Raja Bose wrote:^^^Alvarez actually mentions the DSLR like manual controls in the 1020 as one of the best things he liked. And this guy is a pro so I would imagine he knows his DSLRs well.

Will it replace the DSLR for the pro...no. They will always have it but will it cause them to use it less....it sure looks like it for at least some of them. This is where quality vs portability comes into play. Earlier they didn't even have an option but to always lug the heavy kit....now they have an option and in fact it opens up more options especially in outdoors photography....options they didn't have due to lack of portability of the good kit and lack of quality in the portable kit.

But then pros are not the only ones who buy DSLRs....the defection I am mainly expecting is from the aam Abdul consumer segment.

yes one can stuff in all sorts of gizmos in camera bodies and try to beat phone cams but given the rate at which capabilities are consolidating at the silicon level, it just doesn't make economic sense anymore from a BOM perspective. Just like it doesn't make sense to make a palm folio type of thin client computer with a crippled CPU instead of a full blown laptop...the pennies saved don't make any impact and they cannot win the game against convenience and portability, just like the GPS. And the camera manufacturers know this better than anybody....why do you think they are aggressively diversifying or even scaling back exclusively consumer camera only activities.
I haven't gotten the 1020 yet, but like many other camera phones, it does suffer from shot-to-shot lag more so than many recent P&S, or more correctly, compact cameras. Alvarez is very good about his framing and knows his and the camera limitations.

Camera makers have always been on the edge of profitability. Only a few of them made good money between 2002-2012 in the hey day of compact camera profits. Even at this time, Nikon was suffering in the consumer market, Minolta went bust (became Sony), and Olympus and Pentax are still financially shaky. They couldn't make it in the good times and there is no reason to expect they will now. People have never bought cameras as fast as phones. They do buy them faster than other durable goods, but once you get a DSLR and compact camera, you aren't going to buy again for a while.
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anmol wrote:^This may interest you guy: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Lumia-10 ... on_id48050
You may want to check DxO Mark for Mobiles for a more quantitative view of cameras in mobiles. They haven't reviewed the 1020 yet, but probably will soon enough.
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