AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 05 Oct 2013 19:57

RamaY ji, you are skating on thin ice, I for one, would NOT be happy to see you go. However, you certainly DO use the type of language that opens you up for both being misunderstood and attacked. There is no reason to call any segment of Indians as that name.

This is not about being right or wrong. Dont you want to be around on the forum to make the points that you believe in ? To fight battle for minds yet another day? Why are you going down the sooside path I pooch?

Please cease and desist saar. As a request, from a friend.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Oct 2013 20:07

Sankuji,

I saw archan's post as well.

Will stop using certain words in my posts. If that's what makes the forum a better place, why not.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 05 Oct 2013 20:34

We are assuming that a state won't stay as an Indian state unless con race controls this. Very absurd.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Oct 2013 20:37

Chidambaram is now going to leave TN. 300 crore loan granted to Malya now going to be one more criminal case and RBI started investigation. Ahmad Patel seems to said to some leaders that Jagan will sweep AP minus T. Huge tracks of land in Ongole area were purchased by Panabaka Lakshmi who now refusing to resign. She lives in the next house next to Ahmad Patel. Who is purchasing these lands is anybody guess. She does not have that much money. Chidambaram seem to have told mafia that if Modi wins top people may have to go to jail.

From Sunday power supply will suffer in grid in south and west. MH, TN, ODISSA etc may see darkness if the grid trips.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 05 Oct 2013 20:42

I don't know much about Andhra politics. What will be the outcome of all this tension? Why would the Congress make a decision that threatens its own survival? They must have some kind of game plan.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Oct 2013 21:15

RoyG wrote:I don't know much about Andhra politics. What will be the outcome of all this tension? Why would the Congress make a decision that threatens its own survival? They must have some kind of game plan.

It is not threatening itself at all. Read my previous post. It is milking it very very well. Jagan is in the remote control. It is building the chaos in such a way that the otherside population will totally become blind and become a wave behind him. This side they will go on a rampage of Telangana crusaders. 35 out of 42 is what they are targeting. In addition add Maya for UP and Nitish from Bihar. UPA-3 is now at a striking distance.

The ball is in Modi's court. The BJP, TDP has to do something of a gamechanger. The possibilities are there and we have to see how they can do. The moribund-AP congress should be given a space and not allow to fall into YSRC trap as a 1st clue.

By the way Jaypal Reddy as first CM of Telangana on 9th December is the new rumor in HYD.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 05 Oct 2013 21:32

RamaY wrote: I am highly impressed with INC's manipulations. It is splitting AP and yet might be able to get victory to its A/B teams.

A practical lesson learned in Artha-Sastra

If only Congis did this with Bharatiya internal/external enemies.

+1008. I was neutral about the split, and always held the position that states should be split if it was the soundest decision based on a panel of experts from all fields.

This split is clearly engineered by INC for electoral gains, and people even in 'telangana' acknowledge that. Jagan is making all the right noises to get attention from 'andhra' people - I think the aim is to knock out CBN. CBN seems to have seen the writing on the wall, hence is sharing space with Modi now. My bet/guess is after gaining enough traction, Jagan will insist in spite of his differences with INC, because he is against communalism and values secularism, he has to side with INC. AP will be firmly in INC pockets.

Any gurus who monitor and understand AP well think Jagan will switch to Modi, or is this all tamsha just to garner attention like I said above?

These regional leaders - be it CBN or JJ have to stick their neck out not only for ideology, but for politics. The way I see it is CBN has tucked his tail between his legs, and has come to the doors of Modi. That puts him in a very poor light, if he had done it earlier for the sake of progress and ideology - he would have received more support from the intellectuals. That is better politics in the long run.

It is nothing but Modi vs INC - which was always in the making. Just that the other leaders have gone to prove of what mettle they truly are. When these regional leaders, CBN,JJ, BSY, Didi, Yadavs ityadi....are anything but trust worthy. JJ will lose all respect if she waits any longer and does not align with Modi. They all appear as a bunch of egomaniacs.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 05 Oct 2013 21:32

Muppalla wrote:
RoyG wrote:I don't know much about Andhra politics. What will be the outcome of all this tension? Why would the Congress make a decision that threatens its own survival? They must have some kind of game plan.
It is not threatening itself at all. Read my previous post. It is milking it very very well. Jagan is in the remote control. It is building the chaos in such a way that the otherside population will totally become blind and become a wave behind him. This side they will go on a rampage of Telangana crusaders. 35 out of 42 is what they are targeting. In addition add Maya for UP and Nitish from Bihar. UPA-3 is now at a striking distance.

The ball is in Modi's court. The BJP, TDP has to do something of a gamechanger. The possibilities are there and we have to see how they can do. The moribund-AP congress should be given a space and not allow to fall into YSRC trap as a 1st clue.

By the way Jaypal Reddy as first CM of Telangana on 9th December is the new rumor in HYD.

A dumb question. Does Jagan plans to be just one term wonder?. Wouldn't he be committing suicide by supporting congress after the elections?

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 05 Oct 2013 21:34

I was pondering the same thing. Create a wave and get all the people behind you and then back Congress in the next election. They already put Lalu behind bars and now Nitish is on board with Congress. Like clockwork Sushma wrecked all the good work that Modi did in the state and has sided with Telengana. The only thing I'm unsure about is Mayawati. How does she plan on coming to power? Modi will have to do something quick before Jagan fever consumes the state.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 05 Oct 2013 21:36

A dumb question. Does Jagan plans to be just one term wonder?. Wouldn't he be committing suicide by supporting congress after the elections?

We've been saying the same sh*t for over a decade and the same thing always happens. People forget. They get too comfortable and they vote for the party who gives out the most freebies. The problem is Christians in the state solidly back him and they are a huge force now.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Oct 2013 21:40

Sushupti wrote: A dumb question. Does Jagan plans to be just one term wonder?. Wouldn't he be committing suicide by supporting congress after the elections?

I posted this question in NM thread.

YSJ has at least 30 more years of political life.

We are assuming that SA will vote against YSJ in 2019 if he supports INC in 2014. If INC comes to power in 2014 directly or indirectly, then we must accept the fact that majority Indians view their future differently.

I think it is highly possible for YSJ to get reelected in 2019 even if he supports INC in 2014.

Now, if YSJ supports NM in 2014, even then it is highly likely that he will get reelected in 2019.

That is why I think it is more of a YSJ decision to lead from the front, than SA population leading their leadership from behind. This is a classic case of Yatha Raja Tatha Praja.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 05 Oct 2013 21:42

Such a corrupt politician can't survive like that. Fact is even jailing and releasing of corrupt Jagan mafia is conducted like a show for vote banking. People voting for totally corrupt is just amazing especially when shehzada Raul was throwing tantrums in a government conference. All this show and steal happens on public monies only.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Oct 2013 21:45

Sushupti wrote: A dumb question. Does Jagan plans to be just one term wonder?. Wouldn't he be committing suicide by supporting congress after the elections?

It all depends on how things will turnout. If UPA get to power he will be with UPA. If NDA comes to power via BJP+TDP he and his party will have existential dependencies. Most of his party members will actually merge into BJP. He may go back to jail.

If T is not formed before polls and he wins about 15 to 20 seats, and NDA is short of power. He will negotiate to join NDA on an anti-congress platform. He has the anger and getting anti-congress votes. However, he is handled by Church and his moves will be dependent on church and also depends on not losing his support base. The support base is superior than church and that will determine his moves. For example, if UPA promises United AP for want of his support post-poll and UPA has not may seats from T region, it is easy choice. If NDA can make the counter offer with same united AP (or some soft approach) he will go with NDA.

BJP needs to get to 180+ exclusive of AP and that will end the games of INC using AP.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 05 Oct 2013 21:46

How do AP politicians differentiate from each other? What does Jagan stand for? Is it caste/clan and personality based politics like say in TN or elsewhere in the country?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Oct 2013 21:49

vishvak wrote:Such a corrupt politician can't survive like that. Fact is even jailing and releasing of corrupt Jagan mafia is conducted like a show for vote banking. People voting for totally corrupt is just amazing especially when shehzada Raul was throwing tantrums in a government conference. All this show and steal happens on public monies only.

I am again saying this. The congress has picked up an issue called Telangana state and created a controlled chaos. This particular issue blinds the folks on either side with passions that are very difficult to understand for non-AP folks. There is no where in entire India such passions will happen is creating a state or separating a state. This particular issue will blind the folks to smithereens and they will side with even Osama-bin-laden/Bill Clinton/Dawood Ibrahim if he promises their cause.

Right now Jagan is exploiting that and his association with anything else will not bother or deter.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Oct 2013 21:54

^+1.

That is why we cannot play out all scenarios until and unless INC puts the T-bill in parliament and BJP response to it.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 05 Oct 2013 22:02

Like Maharashtra Gujarat state division.

We have advantage of Maharashtra and Gujarat as example.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Oct 2013 22:08

CBN and traditional congress leaders know the mafia plan and are openly tell the mafia Jagan plan. Now the cheating is open. So regular congress leaders are joining CBN and he is joining NM.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Oct 2013 22:28

Narayana Rao wrote:CBN and traditional congress leaders know the mafia plan and are openly tell the mafia Jagan plan. Now the cheating is open. So regular congress leaders are joining CBN and he is joining NM.

My gut feeling is that cheating will only go so far. This congress and Jagan will only look like as though they are prevailing. I still think if states are quickly divided then NaMo and TDP will romp home. If not divided, Telangana (division or not) will be again resolved by TDP+NaMo.

I will not put my bets on Sonia Congress and Jagan. I am using the word Sonia Congress in this context because we are really going to see Sonia Congress, YSRC and also KKR Congress very very soon.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 05 Oct 2013 22:59

RamaY wrote:Separate Andhra Nation??? That is the most Paki idea I have heard in past couple of years.

How do they plan to win Telangana back, by going to war with Rest of Bharat? Whose support would they take in that effort, Pakistan or China or USA or Italy?

And these morons are going to vote for YSRCP as a first step toward separate Andhra Nation?

Do you know who started this? Some Jagan Reddy's lap dog in some web site. Looks like now a days ITALIAN MAFIA is working very strategically to destroy India.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Oct 2013 23:05

My criticism is about the idea of a separate Seemandhra Nation. Earlier also my criticism was for the idea of kicking out Andhra people from Telangana and taking over their apartments and jobs.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 05 Oct 2013 23:27

@krishnarjun108 2m

vizianagaram, PCC president Botsa home district, has turned into battlefield

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Oct 2013 23:33

Kicking people out is taked public on tv shows for many years sir. Nothing new. We have Kashmiri Pundits forgotten by every one including BJP. 2 acre land govt jobs and houses in Hyderabad as all locals willbe kicked out were already promised. KCR regularly speaking on this with the blessing of mafia. Now mafia may even create an exodus and attacks in Hyderabad to strengthen ~~Japan~~Jagan hand. Mafia is desperate and just started it's dirty moves.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 05 Oct 2013 23:34

As per sometimes over exaggerated "people vote by their caste and nothing else" line of thought,

Samuel Jagan (YSRCP) will get the votes of : Reddy's, Dalits/SCs, Brahmins, Christians & Muslims

Chandrababu Naidu (TDP) will get the votes of Kammas, BCs/OBCs including possibly Kapus

Caste war simmers beneath the surface in Seemandhra

A bloody caste war is all set to unfold in Election 2014 in Coastal Andhra-Rayalaseema.

While people are more or less united in their opposition to division of the State, appearing beneath the surface are caste contours that are likely to firm up as polls draw close. A little over two days of travel in Andhra, one could make out who represents which caste, depending on their response to what the future holds for the Telugu Desam of Nara Chandrababu Naidu or YSR Congress of YS Jagan Mohan Reddy.

We stopped by at a make-shift camp for Samaikyandhra at Pedaparapudi village before Gudivada in Krishna district, this one put up by teachers and employees. The discussion was sober, with each of the dozen present coming out with his/her own reasoning on why the State should remain united.

The cracks appeared as we began to scratch the surface to get a feel of the political thought-process. The tent itself was put up in the forecourt of Prashant’s house, a farmer from the Kamma community. “I voted for YSR in 2009 because he genuinely did good to farmers but this time, it will be for Telugu Desam,” he declared. Within no time, Nagaraju, a Brahmin and a teacher who owns 10 acres, literally pounced on the farmer. “What wrong has Jagan done? Who is clean in present day politics? No one talks about missing coal files in the PMO but everyone questions how Jagan got bail?”

As we tried to change the discussion to figure out if an alliance between the Telugu Desam and the BJP would help, revenue officer Koteswara Rao was inclined to say Yes. If you have not understood, he is a BC, a good number of whom are said to be moving towards the Telugu Desam. The lowest strata among them, who had benefited during the YSR regime, along with the SCs, are, however, still with the YSRC. The officer was quickly cut short by another teacher, a Dalit, who made no secret of his love for the YSRC, justifying the same with the assertion that if there was one party committed to Samaikyandhra, it’s Jagan’s.

He then told everyone this was not the time to talk politics.

A little further, at Jamispeta village junction, the equation plays out more clearly. “Jagan is like a flowering Jasmine,” claimed Venkateswara Rao, a daily-wage earner. No prizes for guessing: he is a Dalit. Srinivasa Rao, a farmer, fumed: “Don’t you see foreign (read Christian) influence behind his bail?” He then pressed the auto-start button to zoom off on his new motorbike. He is a Gowda, one of the BC communities.

The exception to this are constituencies where one community - Kammas in Andhra or Reddys in Rayalaseema - maintains a stranglehold and the rest follow the diktat depending on whose patronage they desperately need for livelihood. In such places, we found powerful leaders of the same community aligning with different parties, one with the TDP and the other with the YSRCP - as it happened in the recent Panchayat elections in Bommuluru village in Gudivada constituency, where two Kamma leaders fought for the post of sarpanch and the one aligned with the TDP scraped home by 30 votes. That was in a village which has 2400 votes. Or in Velpur in Tanuku constituency where two women belonging to the same community contested for the sarpanch’s post and the TDP nominee won by 500 votes against the one backed by the YSRC. Auto-driver Suryanarayana, himself a Kamma and a YSRC loyalist, offered this logic: the relatively rich sections backed the TDP nominee while others including the low income groups among Kammas supported the YSRC candidate.

If there is one community which still appears undecided and has historically never sailed in one direction, it is the Kapus, despite indications that many of their leaders are looking towards the Telugu Desam.

Women, of course, and as always remain an enigma as Nani, a backward class TDP member and taxi driver, explained at Mudinepalli junction. “My wife was jubilant after Jagan got bail and says she will vote for him this time.” So will Sharif, a Muslim, part of a group of drivers standing on the roadside, waiting to ferry passengers.

The Reddy-Kamma war for political control will, perhaps for the first time in the history of state politics, come out in all its true colours and nakedly at that.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Oct 2013 23:37

CBN and NM should join earliest. Otherwise mafia3 will be there.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Oct 2013 23:39

^^^
If the above castes article is right and if Kapus move to TDP. Jagan will just no win. It will be TDP's old style winning the state. TDP+BJP makes all the good for Modi.

bhavani · Post by **bhavani** » 05 Oct 2013 23:47

The fear is running high in seemaandhra people. They fear that they can not find jobs in hyd any more. Too many rumors are going around. For ex, there is a rumor that, seema Andhra folks owning apartments in hyd, will be asked to leave and apartments will be given to locals in hyd.
The other frustrating thing for them is no major party is negotiating on the side on Andhra folks. They seem to have been completely blindsided.

The central gov should not forget that all the Naxalites leaders are from Andhra. Andhra folks have a history of violent revolts.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 05 Oct 2013 23:49

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Oct 2013 23:53

bhavani wrote:The fear is running high in seemaandhra people. They fear that they can not find jobs in hyd any more. Too many rumors are going around. For ex, there is a rumor that, seema Andhra folks owning apartments in hyd, will be asked to leave and apartments will be given to locals in hyd.
The other frustrating thing for them is no major party is negotiating on the side on Andhra folks. They seem to have been completely blindsided.

The central gov should not forget that all the Naxalites leaders are from Andhra. Andhra folks have a history of violent revolts.

They did a sin for voting YSR led and Sonia led congress party. They need this kick in their butt. Sorry for being crude.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 06 Oct 2013 00:05

Muppalla wrote:They did a sin for voting YSR led and Sonia led congress party. They need this kick in their butt. Sorry for being crude.

Fair enough. But what would Telangana people get if as expected they commit 'sin' by voting for Sonia led Congress and its TRS allies ?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 06 Oct 2013 00:17

Rony wrote:
Muppalla wrote:They did a sin for voting YSR led and Sonia led congress party. They need this kick in their butt. Sorry for being crude.
Fair enough. But what would Telangana people get if as expected they commit 'sin' by voting for Sonia led Congress and its TRS allies ?

There are no Raman Singh nor a Chauhan. The state is being born on a pure and simple hatred towards one of the India's wealth manufacturing success stories. Their talk whether Naxals, TRS or common office goers, it is all socialist/worker/entitlement based sociology. In 21st century this kind of state with no entrepreneurial interests and lawless mind set is going to fail irrespective spin by several. The failure means someone with full vigor will takeover their day to day lives and it is unavoidable. They could have easily grown on the back of their Andhra cousins by not hating them. Now they have to handle that fire as well.

Their hands will be full

Hate to give the analogy - INC did create India-Pakistan situation inside middle India.

Hope better sense prevails and tempers cool down. Even in a two state mode, there is huge need to kick out INC+YSRC+TRS. The responsibilities are on Modi and CBN (probably last chance).

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 06 Oct 2013 00:18

Mafia game is now in open. Old congress leaders are taking on tv openly. With respect of Jagan he could win in two of the 13 districts panchayath elections of AP non telangana areas 3 months back. There is a clear paid media at work here. Barkha interviewed him and not CBN. now u know who is behind-the-scenes.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 06 Oct 2013 00:19

What is the best thing Modi should do now?

1. Oppose Telangana for now and says we will sit with both sides and come to an agreement on both sides
2. Announce a 5 year plan to develop Andhra capital and finalize on Telangana
3. Reject Telangana
4. Call Telangana and Andhra leader (Hold Negotiations as if PM) and announce an agreement.
5. Support a clandestine faction and create violence to prevent elections in Seema Andhra in 2014

Most people say Modi+Naidu do some thing but what some thing? Define

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 06 Oct 2013 00:20

This blindsiding of Andhra samaaj is a big concern, is it not. This is why NDA should immediately clarify on steps such as creating twin cities near Telangan border and such. Such a clarity would help all- including Telangan and Seemandhr.

The issue of Telangan is only used during elections but it is used since 1956 and not yet resolved. Is it not the job of political parties as well as dillibillis to have amendable resolution?

The gaming of fear mongering is not civilized. NDA achieved such resolutions quite well and quite peacefully.

bhavani · Post by **bhavani** » 06 Oct 2013 00:29

vishvak wrote:This blindsiding of Andhra samaaj is a big concern, is it not. This is why NDA should immediately clarify on steps such as creating twin cities near Telangan border and such. Such a clarity would help all- including Telangan and Seemandhr.

The issue of Telangan is only used during elections but it is used since 1956 and not yet resolved. It is not the job of political parties as well as dillibillis to have amendable resolution? The gaming of fear mongering is not civilized. NDA achieved such resolutions quite well and quite peacefully.

they should declare a plan for new capital, a plan for resource allocation, money for new capital etc. That will really calm the Andhra people. Now they feel betrayed.

Do you guys think that all private citizens from Andhra will have to leave Hyd, leaving behind properties etc?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 06 Oct 2013 01:02

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 06 Oct 2013 01:14

bhavani wrote:
vishvak wrote:This blindsiding of Andhra samaaj is a big concern, is it not. This is why NDA should immediately clarify on steps such as creating twin cities near Telangan border and such. Such a clarity would help all- including Telangan and Seemandhr.

The issue of Telangan is only used during elections but it is used since 1956 and not yet resolved. It is not the job of political parties as well as dillibillis to have amendable resolution? The gaming of fear mongering is not civilized. NDA achieved such resolutions quite well and quite peacefully.
they should declare a plan for new capital, a plan for resource allocation, money for new capital etc. That will really calm the Andhra people. Now they feel betrayed.

Do you guys think that all private citizens from Andhra will have to leave Hyd, leaving behind properties etc?

That is an insulting and very provocative question. What is the intent behind such question?

No one should leave Mumbai or Hyderabad or Chennai or B'lore or Delhi because they are Gujarati or Bihari or Andhra or Marathi

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 06 Oct 2013 01:28

There are more opportunities in two cities then just one. That can very well be opportunities for all in both cities with political class of each city primarily dealing with politics of each state.

Isn't how that is in case of Maharashtra & Gujarat or Bihar & Chhattisgarh examples.

We have examples of Maharashtra and Gujarat or Bihar and Chaattisgarh or more or even special cases of Delhi as NCR w.r.t. size that has expanded hugely from say 20 years back.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 06 Oct 2013 01:29

Sushupti wrote:

AP made a serious mistake by supporting Congress in the last Lok Sabha elections. If UPA is in power today it is because of their stellar performance in AP and Maharashtra in Lok Sabha elections. In none of the other big states they performed as well.

This is a message for other states also. You can never trust them.

Defeat Congress. Save India.