AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

[alexis]

If Telengana is not created, Telengana burns alongwith Hyd. If Telengana is created, Seema Andhra burns alongwith Hyd. In any case, Hyd burns!!!

Anyway BJP, Congress and TDP had agreed on this division earlier. Why is there a split or backpedalling now? Implement this decision efficiently causing minimum disruptions. That should be the goal of all parties. I can understand Jagan's opportunistic stand. But TDP and BJP should make a decision and stand by it. If the circumstances are different and Telengana creation is not the best for the country, then make that decision and convey it clearly. I am unable to understand TDP and BJP policy on the issue - only contrasting news coming out. The net result seems to be Congress gaining in Telengana and YSRC gaining in other places. And Hyd burning!

Just views of an outsider.

[alexis]

^^^ My interest is that i have my brother working in Hyd and i dont want Hyd to burn!

[Pratyush]

^^^

Is the INC prepared for a peaceful division of the state. Or they are more interested in a scorched earth of Andhra.

Looking at the actions of the INC. It seems that they want to create, a situation where, every one is busy fighting everyone else.

[vivek.rao]

It is burning because Sonia thinks she outsmarted every one TDP,Modi, and even CONGi leaders in AP.

Her calculation: Dump CONGis in SeemaAndhra (let Jagan win and he will become my team B like NCP)
Merge TRS (Dump CONgi leaders in Telangana).

What a masterstroke? PAPPU is PM while she burns her own party

There is a small problem. The CONGi leaders who are corrupt don't want to prostrate and let that happen so easily.

http://www.mediacrooks.com/2013/10/ap-b ... bloom.html

Some parties like the TRS started off a newer agitation and brought regions of Andhra Pradesh to frequent stand-still. In the rush to garner electoral advantage in 2014 the Congress quickly decided to resolve the issue by creating a Telangana state. For the record there wasn’t a single party that didn’t agree to the idea of Telangana save a few individual politicians. Observers in the media called it a master-stroke by Sonia Gandhi. Why wouldn’t they? Here’s a report that HindustanTimes (July 30, 2013) carried which is quite similar to other reports that appeared when the decision was finally made by the party:


“As it ended the uncertainty on Tuesday with what could be a political masterstroke to check-mate its opponents ahead of the 2014 general elections, the developments went according to the script”. A masterstroke that went according to script? It shows how little the media pundits have their ear to the ground.

Some lady in Tirupati asks: Sonia wants to gift the state of telagana on Dec 9. So a woman asks her "uska baap ka meal hai gift karne ke liye?" Very perceptive crowd.

The arrogance,secrecy and electoral game are fueling the revolt. I am sure CM Kiran is behind attacks on Botsa too.

[Yagnasri]

Mafia want MP seats. Burn, drown, poisoned, etc are all immaterial. Telugu people shall to pay the price of voting to mafia twice in 2004 and 2009. That they are yet to pay. Hope they don't have to pay too much of it.

[prahaar]

The congress will not use ESMA, it has backed itself into a corner - Unless it wants to bury itself forever and make congress a dirty word forever.

I know, this has all the marks of shadow boxing, with the Seemandhra side of the govt and politicos encouraging and sustaining these "protests" . Sure, do protest and make your opinion felt strongly. But becoming a public nuisance in the name of "protests" is another thing altogether. There is a fine line between protests and rank irresponsibility .

Vina,

I know that you have always wanted to destroy the people of Seemandhra. You were cheering when T was destroying its property and handing out more fuel in T. now that you might feel the pinch from the reaction...

Hmm. I see, I am the one who "always wanted to destroy" the people of Seemandhra.

Killing kids in neonatal ICU is elevating to people of Seemandhra. Being stuck for want of public transport is as well. Dying due to emergency procedures and operations not happening, women in labor cannot deliver in hospitals, and schools and businesses shut down is definitely elevating and constructive and definitely "saving" Seemandhra.

And this is cost free to the govt busy bodies who are not getting their salaries docked and are getting "consumption loans" for their "efforts" , while the daily wage earner and others whose salaries and wages DO get docked for not being able to work pay a massive cost.

Right now , I only hope that amrit will be the final result of this andhra manthan.

Come on guys. Knock it off. This is a manufactured storm in a tea cup whipped up by vested interests , primarily over pecuniary interests in Hyderabad and the political cover needed there for that to continue.

Vinaji, a lot of your logic sounds like Gabbar asking Hema Malini to keep dancing otherwise SHE will be responsible for Dharamji's death. Classic game is being played by Congress. Congress is the state government, Congress is leading the central government; and now when the S**T hits the fan, it is Seemandhra peoples are nonsense, illogical, irrational, parochial, etc. It is the AP state government and GOI failure for being unable to save those babies. No one in their right minds is going to consider any inconvenience (leave alone children's suffering) as par for the course.

It has been standard practice since (and including) partition, that it is announced on an unwary population to deal with the consequence. What was the logic behind making decisions without proper arrangements (both in terms of L&O machinery as well as getting necessary buy-in from the various political outfits).

This whole business of making sudden announcements goes back to secretive governance practices. Open and transparent decision making has never been the hallmark of the current dispensation.

[TKiran]

Vina gaaru,
I always admired your predictions and logic and the courage of conviction in facing overwhelming opposition.

I have a pooch for you. Would u accept division of tamilnadu into two states(for whatever reasons)

If the answer is a straight forward 'yes' then I will agree to whatever u said.

Otherwise u are a Congi mocking and puzzling at the stupidity of seemandhra people .

[Rony]

CN is asking the right questions

Chandrababu Naidu calls for all-party meet on Telangana

Telugu Desam chief N Chandrababu Naidu on Tuesday called for an an all-party meeting to discuss creation of Telangana State.

He also demanded convening of the Joint Action Committees (JACs) of Telangana and Seemandhra regions to find an amicable solution to the vexed issue.

“This Government is going to be there for six months. After that there is no chance of it coming back. How are parties of the future going to settle this problem? What is their commitment? Why can’t you call an all-party meeting at national level, discuss it with everybody? Sort it out amicably, that is what we demand,” Naidu said.

The former Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister was addressing his supporters on the second day of his hunger strike in Andhra Bhavan.

Accusing the Congress of having acted solely with the intention of securing political gains, Naidu said, “I am requesting Government of India and the Congress party, you call JAC people, discuss with them. Come out with amicable solution, we will appreciate.”

He said the Government should not make any false promises but clearly state what it is going to do. Naidu said that no procedure had been followed while deciding on the Telangana issue and action had only been taken with a view to get some seats and votes.

Alleging “match fixing” between the ruling Congress and Jaganmohan Reddy, he said the YSR Congress leader had fasted in jail, which is against rules but the authorities instead of taking action gave morning and evening health bulletins.

[vishvak]

This issue is going on since 1956 and now its 2013. It is muddled into 56 year problem by con race and still con race can't give clarity and commitment to settle the issue amicably.

Why should people face brunt of this.

[ramana]

T Kiran a loyal dynast will accept all and any divisions to keep the DIEnasty in power.

[ShyamSP]

Vina gaaru,
I always admired your predictions and logic and the courage of conviction in facing overwhelming opposition.

I have a pooch for you. Would u accept division of tamilnadu into two states(for whatever reasons)

If the answer is a straight forward 'yes' then I will agree to whatever u said.

Otherwise u are a Congi mocking and puzzling at the stupidity of seemandhra people .

He can say 'yes' for that rhetorical question to win over you and make you his slave

Better rhetorical question would be whether Tamils accept when Center splits Tamilnadu without considering what Tamils say. On top of it if Center gives water rights to Karnatak to release waters to some piece of state along Kaveri, would they say 'yes'?
On top of that Center release KCR like characters to abuse Tamils having "Neech Samskruti', would they accept with open heart?

Vina might say 'yes' to those scenario also who knows. He might be one of those guys employed under Congress Internet propaganda budget.

[TKiran]

Ramana gaaru, what bothers me is that always wise people like congi s win and people like me who are wishful thinkers (just like in Gajendra moksham I wish the god will force the evil to defeat) we never win. Which is dharma? United Andhra Pradesh or separate Telangana? If united Andhra pradesh is dharma, then separate Telangana is Adharma and it should not happen whether DIEnasty tricks or doesn't. Why should DIEnasty always win even when they do Adharma?

[darshhan]

T Kiran a loyal dynast will accept all and any divisions to keep the DIEnasty in power.

Good one Ramana ji. A loyal dynast is spineless and totally devoid of any character. He can assume any form as ordered by the dynasty.

[ramana]

Kiran I tried to answer in AP history thread....

[RamaY]

The way Congress party is treating Andhra Pradesh in the past few years is against the "REPUBLIC" part of "Republic of India".

A republic is literally a form of government in which affairs of state are a "public matter" (Latin: res publica), not the private concern of the rulers, in which public offices are subsequently appointed or elected rather than privately accommodated, i.e. through inheritance or divine mandate. In modern times, the common definition of a republic is a government which excludes a monarch.[1][2] For example, at the first decade of 21st century, Nepal was declared a Federal democratic Republic after abolishing its 240 years old monarchy on 28th of May 2008. Currently, 135 of the world's 206 sovereign states use the word "republic" as part of their official names.

[Rony]

Ex-DGP Dinesh Reddy is one of the most corrupt DGPs AP ever had

Reddy vs Reddy opens a can of worms in Andhra Pradesh

One thing is certain. If V Dinesh Reddy had continued as the Director General of Police, he would not have trained his gun at chief minister Kiran Kumar Reddy. That he did so within a week of being forced to quit as DGP by both the state government and the Supreme court, conveys the rot at the top of the system. That the seniormost IPS officer did not think twice before letting out information that should otherwise be confidential, shows that in this season of mudslinging, anything goes.

But for a moment, let us ignore what many in the corporate sector would think is gross unprofessional behaviour. Dinesh Reddy's allegations against Kiran Kumar Reddy are serious and deserve attention because they are being made by someone who was Kiran's DGP till September 30. Dinesh has accused Kiran of backing the united Andhra Pradesh agitation, even going to the extent of frowning upon the then DGP's move to get 40 companies of paramilitary force to handle the protestors. Dinesh also alleges that when a particular district SP was doing good work in controlling the agitators, the CM wanted him removed. He adds that the CM was more than enthusiastic that the Samaikyandhra meetings should take place in Hyderabad, against the feedback given by top police officers.

Accusing Kiran of following a personal agenda, Dinesh drops another bombshell when he says the CM wanted him to suggest that Maoist activity will increase in a future Telangana state. The Telangana Rashtra Samiti has taken umbrage to this revelation and asked for Kiran's head while Finance minister Anam Ramnarayan Reddy has refuted the allegations.

Dinesh is clearly miffed that the CM led him up the garden path, making him believe that he will stay on till September 2014 but dropped him at the last minute. There is speculation that Reddy has political ambitions because of which he has made these startling disclosures.

The CM is not the only person Dinesh has taken on in recent months. During his last month in office, Dinesh took on Zee 24 Ghantalu TV channel and The Hindu, for broadcasting and publishing respectively that he had visited a Baba in the Old city area of Hyderabad, carrying some files. [This DGP is so corrupt i wont be suprised if he sold state secrets] While Zee bought peace by apologising for the programme, The Hindu published Dinesh's rejoinder. The matter did not end there as some junior police officer, apparently "enraged" by the newspaper report, lodged a complaint against its Resident Editor. Witnessing the harassment meted out to the journalist, the media in Andhra Pradesh was livid and saw it as a case of a senior officer using his power to muzzle it.

Dinesh's allegations have given fuel to those who charge the CM with being the brain behind the agitation. And adds one more name to the long list of the detractors of Kiran Kumar Reddy.

One Reddy's allegations

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abn53jAKjTI

Other Reddy's rejoinder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpRZTxsR3oM

[ramana]

^^^^

Accusing Kiran of following a personal agenda, Dinesh drops another bombshell when he says the CM wanted him to suggest that Maoist activity will increase in a future Telangana state. The Telangana Rashtra Samiti has taken umbrage to this revelation and asked for Kiran's head while Finance minister Anam Ramnarayan Reddy has refuted the allegations.

This is humbug. The SriKrishna committee and the Governor ESL Narsimham had both concluded that this would happen. There was no need for the ex-DGP to muddy the waters as they were already muddied!!! BTW many bomb blasts all over Hyderabad happened under his charge.

[Rony]

Chidambaram's role in division of Andhra Pradesh and secret deal with Samuel Reddy

జగన్మోహన్ రెడ్డి వంటి వ్యక్తిని చేరదీయడం ఆత్మహత్యాసదృశమని నిన్నటి వరకు భావించిన కాంగ్రెస్ అధిష్ఠానం అంతలోనే మనస్సు మార్చుకోవడానికి కారణం ఏమిటి? 2014 ఎన్నికలలో దేశవ్యాప్తంగా పరిస్థితులు కాంగ్రెస్‌కు ప్రతికూలంగా ఉన్నాయనీ, నరేంద్ర మోదీ నేతృత్వంలో ఎన్.డి.ఎ. ప్రభుత్వం ఏర్పడితే కనీసం పదేళ్లపాటు అధికారంలో కొనసాగుతుందనీ, తమకు కష్టాలు తప్పవని కాంగ్రెస్ పెద్దలలో గుబులు ఏర్పడటంతో అభిప్రాయాలు, నిర్ణయాలు ఒక్కసారిగా మారిపోయాయి. మోదీ ప్రభుత్వం ఏర్పడితే తాము జైలుకు వెళ్లవలసిన పరిస్థితి ఎదురవుతుందని అహ్మద్ పటేల్, చిదంబరం వంటి వారు కూడా భయపడుతున్నారు. వచ్చే ఎన్నికల్లో శివగంగ నుంచి పోటీ చేసి గెలవలేనన్న భయంతో ఉన్న చిదంబరం, మన రాష్ట్రంలోని మెదక్ నుంచి పోటీ చేయాలన్న ఆలోచనతో ఉన్నారనీ, ఇందుకోసమై ఆయన ఇటీవలి కాలంలో విజయశాంతిని పిలిపించుకుని పలు దఫాలు చర్చించారని చెబుతున్నారు.

బ్యాంక్ ఆఫ్ మహారాష్ట్ర నుంచి విజయ మాల్యాకు 300 కోట్ల రూపాయల రుణం ఇప్పించిన వ్యవహారంలో చిదంబరం చిక్కుకున్నారు. చిరు వ్యాపారులకు మాత్రమే రుణాలు ఇచ్చే ఈ బ్యాంకుతో విజయ మాల్యాకు భారీ రుణం మంజూరు చేయించింది చిదంబరమేనని ఆ బ్యాంకు సి.ఎం.డి. విచారణ సంస్థకు లిఖితపూర్వకంగా తెలిపారు. ఈ రుణ వ్యవహారంపై ఉద్యోగుల సంఘం చేసిన ఫిర్యాదుపై రిజర్వ్ బ్యాంక్ ఆఫ్ ఇండియా విచారణ జరుపుతున్నది. లోక్‌సభలో తాను ప్రాతినిధ్యం వహిస్తున్న శివగంగ నియోజకవర్గంలో బ్యాంక్ ఆఫ్ మహారాష్ట్ర శాఖను ప్రారంభింపజేయడానికి ఏర్పాటుచేసిన కార్యక్రమానికి చిదంబరానికి చెందిన సొంత ఫంక్షన్ హాలును అద్దెకు తీసుకుని, ఆ హాలును అందంగా తీర్చిదిద్దడానికి 80 లక్షల రూపాయలు ఖర్చు చేశారు. దీనిపై కూడా రిజర్వ్ బ్యాంకుకు ఫిర్యాదులు వెళ్లడం, తమిళనాడు ముఖ్యమంత్రి జయలలితకు ఈ వ్యవహారం తెలియడంతో చిదంబరంలో ఆందోళన మొదలైంది. గత ఎన్నికలలో ఓడిపోయినా విజయం సాధించిన ఎ.ఐ.ఎ.డి.ఎం.కె. అభ్యర్థిని లొంగదీసుకుని, రీకౌంటింగ్ పేరిట గెలిచినట్టు ప్రకటింపజేసుకున్న చిదంబరంపై జయలలిత అప్పటి నుంచీ కత్తులు నూరుతున్నారు.

దీంతో సురక్షిత స్థానం కోసం వెదుకుతున్న చిదంబరానికి తెలంగాణ అంశం కనిపించిందని చెబుతున్నారు. తెలంగాణపై తేల్చకపోతే తమిళనాడు, ఆంధ్రప్రదేశ్‌లలో కాంగ్రెస్ పార్టీకి ఒక్క ఎంపీ స్థానం కూడా లభించదనీ, మోదీ అధికారంలోకి వస్తే మనం అందరం చిక్కుల్లో పడతామని సోనియాగాంధీని చిదంబరం ప్రభృతులు భయపెట్టారు. దీంతో విభజనకు రంగం సిద్ధమవ్వడంతో పాటు, జగన్మోహన్‌రెడ్డితో డీల్ కుదుర్చుకోవాలన్న నిర్ణయానికీ కాంగ్రెస్ అధిష్ఠానం వచ్చింది.

[ramana]

Please give short synopsis for benefit on non Telugu readers.

[ShyamSP]

Chidambaram's role in division of Andhra Pradesh and secret deal with Samuel Reddy

This is from last year. Whole of the wheeling&dealing was done even before he was sent to jail. Jailing was deal for Karnataka then. Now the release is for AP elections. Whether Jagan gets "phoenix moment" to win AP is to be seen.
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 3#p1363113

INC seemed to have okayed TRS to win seats where they are strong in return for future merger. YSRC and INC deal may be on the offing so we're seeing side-effects. They may be preparing for a phoenix moment for Jagan just in time for elections.

Mantra of TRS for T, YSR for RS, and PRP for C is still intact and new movements fit to that theory.

[Yagnasri]

This matter was posted earlier sir by me sir. Basically Chiddu and mafia afraid that they will go to jail that they will go to jail and are dividing AP under a deal with Jagan. Well known matter in AP. CBN already shouting this every where.

[Muppalla]

Seemandhra folks are fighting alone. Their entire leaders (so called) from INC deserted them. Their mafia heros such as Jagan is worthless and the realization has started. The things that are banking on thin ice are the from the last CM of AP being very reluctant. The non-resignations of all the MLAs in this round it sure shot trouble. We have to see in finality what if Pranab Da says get the resolution passed from AP assembly where as even introduction seems difficult. The way they are looking is put a President's rule (though they are say no) and then change the speaker as well as CM to do the introduction part before December.

Their gamble is by passing quickly they can win T state. It is just a gamble. The letters written by CBN and Jagan in favor of T-state are released. That makes actually trouble for Jagan but CBN is not denying anything and also he is openly (whatever he feels is different matter) saying not against T state.

Basically they created a civil anarchy inside the state and are hoping for a gamble.

[Muppalla]

Congress three-point strategy: Impose President’s rule in AP, isolate rebels & table Telangana Bill

NEW DELHI: The Congress national leadership has a three-point strategy to manage the Telangana controversy: the option of President's rule in Andhra Pradesh, politically circumventing rebellious Andhra Pradesh Congress leaders, and getting the Telangana creation Bill in Parliament by the winter session, where Congress strategists say the Bill will likely get a majority. With the Seemandhra region in Andhra Pradesh in turmoil, senior Congress leaders said imposition of President's rule is a "serious possibility".

Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde said on Tuesday President's rule is not being contemplated, but Congress strategists said this option is very much on the table.

A Congress leader said, "the avert-the-gaze policy won't work-...and Hyderabad needs to get back to normalcy". Hyderabad is India's sixth-largest city, home to over 1,300 IT and ITeS businesses. The option of President's rule has become more real, Congress managers said, because the party's chief minister, Kiran Reddy, has turned "a rebel". Reddy was expected by the Congress leadership to calm down sentiments in the Seemandhra region.

But the CM's TV statement that Congress will get a drubbing in Seemandhra and his asking for intervention of the kind that Rahul Gandhi made against the ordinance protecting convicted politicians, are being seen by Congress as proof that Reddy is now part of the problem.

"President's rule will help us get around local Congress politicians who are not following the party line", a Congress national leader said, adding that in case of President's rule, the Telangana Bill that's approved by the Cabinet need not be sent to the state assembly. "This will prevent a high-voltage Andhra assembly denunciation of the Telangana Bill," the leader said.

Reddy's turning 'rebellious' is being seen as a local political response to two AP leaders, Jagan Reddy and N Chandrababu Naidu, starting agitations against splitting the state. "But we will stay the course," a senior Congress strategist said.

The PM, in his meeting with Seemandhra region leaders, is said to have said the government will stick to its plans on Telangana A person familiar with the details of that meeting said the government's determination was firmly communicated. Congress leaders say the four Seemandhra region ministers, Pallam Raju, Chiranjeevi, D Purandeswari and Kotla Surya Prakash Reddy, who want to resign over Telangana, are unlikely to have any impact on the party and government leadership's decision.

"The ministers are in a tough spot," a Congress leader said, "they can't go back on their resignations... but whatever they do won't affect what the government decides...that's a done deal."

This leader also said the party is "reconciled with losing ground in Seemandhra...we are looking at the Telangana region for getting a reasonably good result out of Andhra in 2014". If all goes well procedurally with the Telangana Bill, Congress wants Parliament's winter session to take up the proposed law.

Congress is not expecting any major trouble as BJP has already pledged its support for Telangana. The party's prime ministerial candidate, Narendra Modi, had spoken for the new state in a rally at Hyderabad.

Allies of Congress, particularly NCP and RLD, had backed the decision to split in the state at the Cabinet meeting. Samajwadi Party, which lends support to the government from outside, has opposed the move. But Congress its leaders say, has BSP's support.

So why all this drama of having an assembly etc. They should have gone ahead and directly get Parl approval. Something is not right.

[Dasari]

From the way Congress is acting in Seemandhra, the party will be wiped out from SA for more than one election - it can be more like a generation. When my 80 year old mother who used to have very little interest in politics talks so much about Sonia/Rahul's conspiracy, you can imagine how deep the resentment has rooted in SA. I'm not surprised why so much anger poured out in the streets of AP even with no help from politicians. At the same time the SA people don't believe that split can be averted. The agitation is mere show of anger, frustration, and helplessness. So it will slowly die down but the people will harbor generation lasting hatred against the dynasty. On the other hand, like anything in life, the help from dynasty may not be remembered in T for more than one election.

So why are they so deperate to win 2014 elections even at the expense of killing their golden goose? Very hard to fathom. This is as mysterious as the reason for Sonia's refusal to appoint Jagan as CM in the aftermath of YSR's death. One hilarious suggestion I heard was that it is related to marriage of the Prince. He is in catch 22 situation. Marrying a foreign girl before the coronation will defintely ruin his chances. At the same time he cannot idefintely postpone marriage. So time is running out for him, and hence the urgency.

On a serious note, this is a wonderful opportunity for BJP to plant seeds in SA. They don't need to rescind the already foregone split. But they can be more neutral. The people of AP are in such a pitiful condition, any soothing and comforting words from BJP will have very long lasting effect. Modi needs to set aside the bellicose Sushma Swaraj and Arun Jaitely and get onto business. Their entire Telangana policy is going to be a complete fiasco when they fail to win even a single MP seat in T. They may think that they succeeded in wiping out Congress from one of their most formidable strongholds, but that will be short lived if Jagan cheats SA and supports Congress after the election.


This is a life time opportunity for BJP in SA that may not come again. In fact on many facets, SA is like Gujarat in its make up of the religious tenets ( i don't buy this nauseating talk about EJ crap) and entrepreneurship although one has to wonder where and how they lost the script.

Since BJP has very poor cadre in AP, if they want to have any political impact right away, they are better off going with a partner for this election. The BJP+TDP combination will do very well in Parliament compared to Assembly. In the coming years, if Modi can nurture it in terms of central help to the new state, he would virtually trade places with Congress in SA.

[Yagnasri]

Sending the bill to assembly is a must. Assembly opinion is not binding on parliament of course. But opinion is to there with the resolution. If even opinion of the assembly is not asked then there will be long term weakening of federal structure which may be very difficult to repair. But mafia does not care and with bjp acting mafia b team and Jagan joining mafia after election mafia plan is a go. 30 plus mafia MP s from AP.

One problem is Pranab who may not support this without assembly consent. Reports indicate that. But he has his son to think of in WB. that fellow bard managed to win last time. Mafia already started it's attacks on KKR with wild allegations from ex Dgp Dines Reddy. CM is now treated as a problem by mafia. So they plan to make him go by Nov 1st week.

[Yagnasri]

Bjp is AP till presently thinking and acting like mafia b team. It may change now besser as per the reports Sangh is very unhappy with their T over board.

[disha]

This following are general statements applicable to none. So do not take personal umbrage, read it FWIW.

Here is a situation:

1. CongI government in Centre
2. CongI government in AP

And the CongI government in Centre is ready to suspend a duly elected (its own) CongI government in state to push through and impose an act to bifurcate a state which the state's own assembly does not want!

BUT

1. NaMo is fascist, a Nazi and BJP are communal. Off with their heads.
2. SA people protesting against this high handedness are "neo-natal baby killers"
3. BJP is mafia B team!!

What kind of insanity leads to such conclusion above?

Next we will have TDP is mafia B team and then CongressI is CongressI's B-Team!!

[disha]

^^ Narayana Rao garu - have you been to Prakasam?

Also BJP just does not have not much presence in SA. And whatever they have in Telangana is limited to one or two seats in the urban areas of Hyd-Sec'bad. They may have some presence in Warangal - but beyond that BJP does not have enough presence to croak about.

At national level - as a national party BJP has said enough and their prime minister candidate in fact also said - Jai Telangana and Jai SeemaAndhra and made the people in Telangana appreciate the need to divorce amicably. And a lot has been said later.

It is just prudent for BJP to watch from sidelines and enjoy CongIs dig its own grave for a while.

[Yagnasri]

Mafia is getting 30 plus MP seats sir. It is not digging it's grave.

[RajeshA]

Possibilities for BJP in Andhra Pradesh

Continuing from post in " Post subject: Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition" Thread

BJP & TDP under Narendra Modi basically have only two options in Andhra Pradesh considering that Congress have taken the initiative of separating Telangana resulting in a shift in public mood in Telangana towards Congress & TRS, while Seemandhra has been left to Congress's other B-Team YSRCP under Samuel Jagan Reddy.

We know BJP has publicly supported creation of Telangana due to their general policy of having smaller states. But it seems they are hardly going to get any credit for this policy in Telangana. Also even though Seemandhra is totally pissed off at Congress, BJP hardly has any presence there and even if it had can hardly make any killing due to their public stance in support of Telangana. So how can BJP come back into the game in Andhra sweeping Congress, TRS and YSRCP away? Some ideas:

1. BJP can cooperate with Congress in passing a bill for creation of Telangana and at the same time try to assuage the feelings in Seemandhra by promising a
   1. Constitutional Amendment which says that Telangana cannot discriminate among any applicants for jobs in both private and public sector based on whether they are from Telangana or Seemandhra, nor in the field of seats in institutions of higher learning.
   2. Building a new Capital in Seemandhra rivaling Hyderabad.
   3. Some common Dept overseeing Education, Culture and Telegu language.
      The constitutional amendment could be a very concrete way of assuaging the feelings but that is a big mountain to cross requiring 362 seats in Parliament.
2. BJP can insist that there would be no bifurcation until and unless the Andhra Pradesh Assembly itself accepts the division which has been BJP's modus operandi in the other bifurcations: Bihar-Jharkhand, UP-Uttaranchal & MP-Chattisgarh and thus is based on principle. BJP can claim that the main reason for Andhraites being against bifurcation is the loss of Hyderabad and thus only a new capital in Seemandhra rivaling Hyderabad would satisfy Seemandhra people. So the bifurcation, which they support in principle, can only proceed AFTER the new capital of Seemandhra is finished building. If Congress was truly interested in creating Telangana, they should have started building the new capital 9 yrs ago. So the delay in granting Telangana statehood is Congress's fault.
   
   This strategy is dependent on whether UPA gets sufficient support among non-BJP parties for Telangana. TMC, SP, BSP etc. may reject this approach and as such Congress may not be able to deliver on Telangana leading to a collapse of their whole Telangana strategy. After all there is only the Winter Session still available in this Lok Sabha and going from disruptions during the Monsoon Session, it is highly unlikely Congress would be able to get the Telangana Bill passed without BJP help.
   
   In the end BJP can always tell the Telangana people that they could not get their own state because Congress and TRS were not serious and they should have brought up the bill earlier. If Telangana want their own state, only BJP can deliver it and that too only after the establishment of a new capital for Seemandhra. Despite having their government in the Center and in the State, Congress was unable to create Telangana. So TRS and Congress offer no solution to Telangana.
   
   In Seemandhra, BJP can tell the people that they were the ones who stopped the creation of Telangana and after the new capital city of Seemandhra is ready rivaling Hyderabad, Telangana may not wish to separate at all fearing loss of opportunities in the new coastal city.
   
   So basically BJP can position itself in such a way that it get support both in Telangana and Seemandhra. If BJP and TDP can successfully brand YSRCP and Jagan as Congress B-Teams, they can sweep the whole of Andhra in a similar way to how Congress did in 2009.
   
   At the moment BJP does not have the organization in Seemandhra, but the situation there is so much in flux and considering Narendra Modi's popularity, people from all parties would be willing to throw their lot with BJP - from Congress, YSRCP and TDP. Many have already indicated this.
   
   However BJP has to ensure that Congress does not create a majority in favor of Telangana bill without it in Winter Session, so it is okay for Sushma Swaraj to keep on making noises as if BJP supports Telangana and to not give support when the time comes. Moreover after the losses in State Elections, few parties would be in a mood to support Congress in Winter Session. Congress would be a lame duck party then.
   
   Now it is up to Narendra Modi to play his cards when the time is ripe! In the mean time the anger in Seemandhra would continue but Jagan may not be able to tame it or use it.

[Virupaksha]

Is it that we are reading the tea leaves all wrong and congress is trying to reinvent itself in AP?

It almost seems like it wantedly kicked off reddies to Jagan and trying to reinvent itself through kapu leadership. It seems like a purge is on in congress but we seem to be too close to realise it.

What happens if congress ditches its top leadership and brings completely new faces? Andhra people are sick of the current crop of politicians, that is for sure.

Is a spring cleaning ala the syndicate cleanup going on in AP? It seems to have happened once in the 70s, but I couldnt get the details.

[Hari Seldon]

Let NM state categorically that Hyd should remain common capital of the two telugu states till such a time that seemandhra doesn't develop a city to rival Hyderabad in GDP terms.

That process may take forever, perhaps but it will soothe a lot of fears on both sides.

Also, state categorically that a commission report on revenue sharing, debt sharing and river waters sharing should first find majority acceptance in both states before the division becomes operational. Then see.

[Pratyush]

Rajesh ji it is good to see you.

[ramana]

Virupaksha, Muppalla has been saying that since Chiranjivi merged his outfit. But KKR and other non-YSR acolytes did not see the writing on the wall. Same with Purandeshwari/Rajagopal etc.

This is what I have been saying when I said "we are seeing demographics at work."

[member_24042]

Virupaksha, Muppalla has been saying that since Chiranjivi merged his outfit. But KKR and other non-YSR acolytes did not see the writing on the wall. Same with Purandeshwari/Rajagopal etc.

This is what I have been saying when I said "we are seeing demographics at work."

Amazing how fast the demographics changed! In 2001, 1.5% Xtians and now over 20%!

[ShyamSP]

Virupaksha, Muppalla has been saying that since Chiranjivi merged his outfit. But KKR and other non-YSR acolytes did not see the writing on the wall. Same with Purandeshwari/Rajagopal etc.

This is what I have been saying when I said "we are seeing demographics at work."

Central Congress didn't care loyal Pallam Raju (He is Kapu not Raju). If the non-YSR Reddies and Godavari Kapus don't vote for Congress or YSRC, whole of Congress equation is upset as TDP can sweep most of 25 MPs.

If TDP+BJP can take 4-5 seats in Telangana and TRS 4-5 seats, INC is left with 7 winnable seats in T.

This is bad scenario for Congress.

[devesh]

in this round, INC++ are likely to win all 17 seats from Telangana. TDP and BJP will stand no chance. no matter what anyone says, there has always been latent emotion in favor of separate-T among T-people. and in this emotional moment, they will vote for INC and whoever they ally with lock, stock, and barrel.

so you can definitely give INC a minimum of 17 seats out of 42. a few more in SA, and they will once again have majority LS representation from AP.

[ramana]

Shinde to head GOM on Dividing AP

Shinde will head the reconstituted Group of Ministers consisting of seven Union Ministers.

Defence Minister AK Antony, Finance Minister P Chidambaram, Minister of Health and Family Welfare, Ghulam Nabi Azad, Minister of Petroleum and Natural Gas, M Veerappa Moily and Rural Development Minister Jairam Ramesh are among the members of the GoM.

Minister of State for Personnel and Prime Minister's Office, V Narayanasamy, is the Special Invitee on the panel.

So these are the "magnificient seven" who will divide AP.
Looks like all neighboring states of AP are represented: Shinde to AKA.

[kittoo]

Virupaksha, Muppalla has been saying that since Chiranjivi merged his outfit. But KKR and other non-YSR acolytes did not see the writing on the wall. Same with Purandeshwari/Rajagopal etc.

This is what I have been saying when I said "we are seeing demographics at work."

Amazing how fast the demographics changed! In 2001, 1.5% Xtians and now over 20%!

WTH! Seriously? Thats about 1.5 Crore people converted in 12 years. Thats 3500 people per day!

[RamaY]

WTH! Seriously? Thats about 1.5 Crore people converted in 12 years. Thats 3500 people per day!

Blast from past... http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 4#p1193004

"There are approximately 5,000 Indian people coming to Christ everyday.