Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 11 Oct 2013 20:57

harbans wrote:
BJP prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi’s remark that he was a ‘Hindu nationalist’ stirred a debate earlier this year, but the Jammu and Kashmir high court has ruled that any person claiming affiliation with any form of religious nationalism shall be barred from contesting elections.

“In our constitutional scheme, a citizen of India is only an Indian. No person can claim himself to be a Hindu nationalist, Muslim nationalist, Sikh nationalist, Buddhist nationalist or a Christian nationalist,” justice Muzaffar Hussain Attar said in the ruling on Thursday.

“The constitutional provision is loud and clear (about it) and in unambiguous terms forbids using such expression,” he added.

Justice Attar said a very serious and potential threat is posed to the very existence of the idea of India by “the fringe elements, who take cover under various types of ‘isms’ other than Indianism”.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 33976.aspx

Wonderful logic! Indian judiciary never fails to amaze me with the profundity of their divine insights and feats of super-logic.

If that argument is acceptable, then there should not be recognition of religious qualitatives for Indian citizens either - since the Constitution apparently recognizes only "citizens" and no further qualifiers. In fact the word "nationalist" is not defined anywhere in the Constitution. No provincial, linguistic, sub-sub-sub identity can then be recognized by the state for any legal purpose.

This is not supportable based on reading of the Constitution. The Constitution does recognize further qualifiers on Indian citizens, especially based on their religious identity.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 11 Oct 2013 21:04

Well J&K High Court judges can whine and bitch all they want but they can do exactly ghanta to stop Modi from fighting election.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 11 Oct 2013 21:33

Probably a congress appointed Judge with NC backing. Better to find out his full background.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 11 Oct 2013 21:56

Sometime next week, I will start thread with following topic

"Plan-A2 : what can nationalists do if NaMo becomes ABV2 or most BJP\NDA MPs sell out?"

Nationalists' plan-A is to elect 220+ BJP MPs and 300+ NDA MPs, and make NaMo PM.

Plan-B would be what BJP gets below 170 seats and/or NDA gets below 250 seats.

Plan-A1 - is plan-A works and NaMo does what nationalists want. Then no actions would be needed.

Plan-A2 is to discuss what nationalists should do if NaMo becomes ABV2 and/or BJP MPs or NDA MPs sell out at a large scale to MNC-owners/Missionaries.

Because chances that NaMo would do ABV2 are rising day by day.

Chances that MNC-owners and Missionaries will use Arvindbhai to force NaMo to give tickets to ABV-like MPs are also rising, and rise further after AAP gets 15% votes in Delhi election.

So NaMo may have to give tickets to ABV-like or Arvind-like people in BJP.

In which case, the chances that these MPs will sell out to MNC-owners or force NaMo to become ABV2 increases.

I will start the thread to discuss options we nationalists in such cases.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 11 Oct 2013 22:13

there was then a gin tonic that flashed: "we are counting the chicks before it hatches", and i am kind off now getting allured to that tonic. i would like to be proved wrong, just for the nationlists sake.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Oct 2013 22:31

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he-DAM_ ... ata_player
Congress Leader , ONly Pagal Eat Onion, Watch him Using Pappu-brain.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 11 Oct 2013 22:38

Sagar G wrote:Well J&K High Court judges can whine and bitch all they want but they can do exactly ghanta to stop Modi from fighting election.

Don't underestimate. The MAFIA is pulling every string to stop Modi running this Govt. They want to use every Institution to destroy Modi/India before they allow fair elections. They are shit scared.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 11 Oct 2013 23:09

vivek.rao wrote:Don't underestimate. The MAFIA is pulling every string to stop Modi running this Govt. They want to use every Institution to destroy Modi/India before they allow fair elections. They are shit scared.

Take a look at his statement again and point me out what is prosecutable in it. HC's have given made many a dumb observations before this is another one to the list.

Further the news is from HT a congi mouthpiece so this can be a total manipulation of what the judge said and what HT reported.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 12 Oct 2013 01:22

For all those seriously concerned about EVM rigging affecting the election, here is one idea:

Take your mobile phone into the polling booth with you.

Use one hand to cast your vote while using the other hand to snapping images of the EVM interface display with your phone. If your phone camera supports it, take a video. Be sure to record the choices offered on the EVM screen, your hand touching the specific symbol of your choice, and the result that appears onscreen after your vote is cast.

If anything goes wrong, in terms of the result not reflecting the choice you made, or in terms of the order of presentation of candidates, or anything else suspicious... post the images and/or video online. We can collate all such posts into a single website if necessary.

Request each and every one of your friends/family members who are voting, to do the same.

This is not a comprehensive solution to the problem by any means, and at best it is limited to the very small proportion of voters who have camera-phones. But it is as much as we ordinary citizens are empowered to do. If no paper trail is provided, and EVM tampering occurs at the level of the interface, then very large numbers of images and videos uploaded by individual voters from all over the country could at least cast doubt on the validity of the results. In fact, some dubious behaviour of EVMs in certain counties was exposed in this manner by individual voters during the 2012 US Presidential election.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 12 Oct 2013 01:34

Rudradev garu, What if cell phones are not allowed to be taken into polling booths for some 'vague reason' of security?

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 12 Oct 2013 02:22

Venug ji,
They may use signal jammers at polling stations for security concerns, but I really doubt they will be checking the pockets of each and every voter who comes to the booth for a cell phone. Of course, if they do go that far, it begs the question even more loudly of what they are trying to hide. Be that as it may, it's our one and only chance to record photographic evidence of EVM tampering at least at the interface level. There is no other way to bear witness to our choice in a secret ballot, and our interaction with an EVM.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 12 Oct 2013 02:25

narendramodi.in in Sanskrit !!!!

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 12 Oct 2013 02:38

Heil Modi!

- wonder why congi and the media has not taken this pic to task?

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 12 Oct 2013 02:49

Actually Rudradev ji that is a good idea, but the whole point of EVM rigging is what you press is what you see but it is not what get reported or what gets changed later.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 12 Oct 2013 02:54

brihaspati wrote: http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... erson-can-....
If that argument is acceptable, then there should not be recognition of religious qualitatives for Indian citizens either - since the Constitution apparently recognizes only "citizens" and no further qualifiers. In fact the word "nationalist" is not defined anywhere in the Constitution. No provincial, linguistic, sub-sub-sub identity can then be recognized by the state for any legal purpose.

This is not supportable based on reading of the Constitution. The Constitution does recognize further qualifiers on Indian citizens, especially based on their religious identity.

And this Katju-idiot (Per justice Katju 90% of Indians are Idiots and he is our press council chairman) gives this statement from of all the places, Jammu&Kashmir. Is he a full Indian or A370th Indian?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 12 Oct 2013 04:45

I think he is Kashmiri like Nehru with congress background.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 12 Oct 2013 06:11

there you go: ibnlive

Congress President Sonia Gandhi has no plans to retire from politics in 2016 as speculated in a book. This was conveyed by Gandhi herself to Lok Janshakti Party leader Ram Vilas Paswan, on Friday, when he asked her about this "rumour" during a meeting he had with her. A book had claimed that Gandhi was planning to retire from politics in 2016 when she turns 70. Not retiring in 2016, Sonia tells Paswan "I have never said this," Paswan quoted her as telling him. He was giving details about his 40-minute meeting with Gandhi which he had sought primarily to discuss the issue of acquittal of all the 26 accused in the massacre of 58 Dalits in Bihar's Laxmanpur Bathe 16 years ago. During the meeting, the LJP leader urged the Congress chief to don the role of uniting secular parties before the next Lok Sabha polls like she had done in 2004. "I told her that the BJP will not come to power even though it may have allies like Shiv Sena and Akali Dal and a few other parties. So, there is a possibility of UPA only being able to form the next government," he said. "In this context, she should unite all secular parties," Paswan added

Read more at: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/not-retiring ... ef_article

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 12 Oct 2013 06:44

So it is going to be Modi ji vs. Manio ji. She might want to capture all shehar aurat votes and dehati aurat votes. beta should shout nonsense at this, and everything will tumble!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Oct 2013 10:08

OMG!!!!!!!! What happenned. Moulana Mulayum planning for saket dhaam not PM.

http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/ups-sama ... 44327.html

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... mesofindia

Or big stunt!

@shilpitewari: S.P. trying a farce desperate measure to save its vote.. because their communal appeasement policies have completely ruined their image

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Oct 2013 10:56

, My Bhai is out there..
Modi Congi Douu Khare, Janta Karre Pehchan
Modi Naam Vikas Kaa, Congi Hai Beiman
Kyon Soi Hai Bajpa , Samayy Beeta Jayye
Bina Modi Bajpa, Kabhi Satta Mey Na Aaye
Jaat Dharam Ko Chooriye
Karo Vikas ki Baat...

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 12 Oct 2013 11:11

The situation has turned around 180 degree. Earlier we had Advani praising jinnah to secure secular votes, ABV to wear the skull cap.... comes Modi into the picture and now we have mullah mulayam to build Ram Temple

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Jingo very very much khush hua....
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Added later:

Jhujar wrote: , My Bhai is out there..
Modi Congi Douu Khare, Janta Karre Pehchan
Modi Naam Vikas Kaa, Congi Hai Beiman
Kyon Soi Hai Bajpa , Samayy Beeta Jayye
Bina Modi Bajpa, Kabhi Satta Mey Na Aaye
Jaat Dharam Ko Chooriye
Karo Vikas ki Baat...

Beautiful Jhujar ji. My regards to your brother.

niran · Post by **niran** » 12 Oct 2013 12:30

Wat twist and turns, man tis the best thriller
moolayam spent 3days at raja bhaiya palace
before rajabhaiya agreed to rejoin the cabinet moolayam hand had not even reached his own back
when Ram mandir document leaked
now UP sarkar claims it was just typing mijtik but
naresh aggrawal forgot to clarify how twenty ias affsar seven mantri and fourth one assorted people failed to notice the mijtiks when they signed the documents.

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 12 Oct 2013 12:36

Modi has caused chemical locha in the brains of all sickularists!!!

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 12 Oct 2013 13:24

brihaspati wrote:http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 33976.aspx

Wonderful logic! Indian judiciary never fails to amaze me with the profundity of their divine insights and feats of super-logic.

If that argument is acceptable, then there should not be recognition of religious qualitatives for Indian citizens either - since the Constitution apparently recognizes only "citizens" and no further qualifiers. In fact the word "nationalist" is not defined anywhere in the Constitution. No provincial, linguistic, sub-sub-sub identity can then be recognized by the state for any legal purpose.

This is not supportable based on reading of the Constitution. The Constitution does recognize further qualifiers on Indian citizens, especially based on their religious identity.

Perhaps judge sahab should be reminded of minority appeasement, disparate civil codes and shah bano case.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Oct 2013 14:01

Jhujar wrote: , My Bhai is out there..
Modi Congi Douu Khare, Janta Karre Pehchan
Modi Naam Vikas Kaa, Congi Hai Beiman
Kyon Soi Hai Bajpa , Samayy Beeta Jayye
Bina Modi Bajpa, Kabhi Satta Mey Na Aaye
Jaat Dharam Ko Chooriye
Karo Vikas ki Baat...

Lovely music sirjee... the whole bhajan-ish tune is like, stuck in moi head onlee.... mazaa aa gaya.... Should play in all modi rallies before namo comes onto the stage (doubt NMwill himself approve of such sky-high expectations on him onlee).

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Oct 2013 15:45

Bekaar patel pukes more bile... but it must have profound substance since he's using big words like 'apotheosis', after all. No?

Why Narendra Modi’s apotheosis is a boring affair

Don't bother clicking and giving this clown more hits, I thought. But on second thoughts it is indeed good to see an alternative perspective, even if shiet-tinted....

The open desperation in the mediasurs and pimtellectuals is effing plain to see. Every and I mean every mijjile they fired at namo failed to make any dent. Now what? Let the dirty games begin... from twitter:

@HeadlinesToday: BJP leader Amit Shah questioned by CBI. Sources say more questioning will follow.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 12 Oct 2013 16:54

CBI is showing notable and exceptional quickness in questioning Amit Shah. Must be some reasons why CBI didn't show such alertness otherwise for example anti-sikh con race riots and questioning pseudo gandhis.

Amit Shah could change his surname to Gandhi temporarily?

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 12 Oct 2013 16:57

Congress Bureau of Investigation is only increasing the polarization of the electorate. Like the "maut ke saudagar" comment....

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 12 Oct 2013 18:21

^Sigh, lots of CBI wallahs are gonna bite the dust after 2014. One wonders how they can be so stupid that they don't realize how they will be left behind when their masters run.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 12 Oct 2013 18:44

You dont go after the tool. You go after the mem wilding it.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 12 Oct 2013 19:23

PM, By Initials Assertiveness is one thing. Pranab must shun political play. K.C. Singh - Outlook

An interesting perspective by former foreign secretary.

He was bypassed in 2004 by his own protégé for the post of prime minister, ignored again in 2009. Once more he was snubbed by Sonia Gandhi when his elevation to Deputy Prime Minister was speculated, which he did not immediately deny, forcing her to curtly refute it. He was denied the post of President in 2007 on the pretext that his services were critical to the functioning of the UPA government. Finally, the manner of his elevation in 2012 itself left an impression that he was not Sonia Gandhi’s first choice.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 12 Oct 2013 19:26

Google Archive of a news paper on Sonia

Floating on Twitter.

archan · Post by **archan** » 12 Oct 2013 20:52

Rajnath Singh is live on ABP. The impression one comes up with is that other than NM, BJP lacks punch. If you are the challenger, you should have done some homework and have had some ideas to sell. He wasn't clear at all on what alternative they propose for the economic policy and resorted to rhetoric on foreign policy matters (esp. Pak and China).

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 12 Oct 2013 21:34

archan wrote:Rajnath Singh is live on ABP. The impression one comes up with is that other than NM, BJP lacks punch. If you are the challenger, you should have done some homework and have had some ideas to sell. He wasn't clear at all on what alternative they propose for the economic policy and resorted to rhetoric on foreign policy matters (esp. Pak and China).

100% true. If he does not want to do the homework, then dont come on TV.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 12 Oct 2013 22:14

All the laziness built over the years cannot be removed in a matter of days, that's why elevation of Modi to the top BJP post is so important.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Oct 2013 22:17

muraliravi wrote:
archan wrote:Rajnath Singh is live on ABP. The impression one comes up with is that other than NM, BJP lacks punch. If you are the challenger, you should have done some homework and have had some ideas to sell. He wasn't clear at all on what alternative they propose for the economic policy and resorted to rhetoric on foreign policy matters (esp. Pak and China).
100% true. If he does not want to do the homework, then dont come on TV.

Maybe his astrologer informed him late regarding when to go on TV.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 12 Oct 2013 22:42

SaiK wrote:
Heil Modi!

- wonder why congi and the media has not taken this pic to task?

I thought congress would sue Modi for copying MMS trademark waiving.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 12 Oct 2013 22:44

Don't settle scores with us in 2014 polls, Mulayam urges UP voters

Samajwadi Party chief Mulayam Singh Yadav on Saturday urged voters not to settle scores with his party in the Lok Sabha polls for the failures of the state government.

"I want to appeal to the people not to settle scores with us in Lok Sabha polls for the mistakes of the state government. These people (the state government) will mend their ways in time. That's why I keep reminding them of their responsibilities from time to time," said Yadav at function on socialist thinker Ram Manohar Lohia's 47th death anniversary.

He also had words of advice for the state government run by his son Akhilesh.

"People are watching you all the time. It can create problems for us, especially in view of the Lok Sabha elections. So I'm again asking the people in the government to be on alert and pay heed to the needs of the people," Yadav said.

He then attacked the Congress party, saying it had the mentality of a dictator.

"Congress has the mentality of a dictator. During emergency Indira Gandhi herself said there won't be a case even if someone is murdered," Yadav said.

He also said the Congress-led UPA government not serious about securing international boundaries.

"China has intruded in Kashmir, Himachal and Arunachal but no strong steps have been taken. It has given a wrong message to the world. People now think of us as a weak country," he said.

"UPA's rule is also plagued by inflation and corruption from which there is no respite to the common people. The UPA government is neck-deep in corruption. They also had to remove two ministers because of related charges but never explained why they were removed."

He also said the Sachar committee report on welfare of Muslims was yet to be implemented.

"I have been adamant that its recommendations should be implemented but not much has moved all these years. We have although done our bit in UP by implementing schemes for the benefit of Muslims in the state."

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Oct 2013 23:36

This reminds of that dialogue from Amrish Puri in movie "Nagina".

"Ichadhari Nagin chahe koi bhee vesh kyon na bana le Choubess ghante mein ek baar use apne asli roop mein aana he padta hai".

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 12 Oct 2013 23:40

^^^^ Makes no sense to me, give some background.