Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 20 Oct 2013 06:28

RajeshA wrote:
Rahul Mehta wrote:Is RSS-apex throwing a trial balloon to ditch Ram Jamambhoomi, KJB, KBV? Mohan Bhagawat says "Forget gods, goddesses, only think of Mother India".
That to me sounds a lot like Savarkar! And when people opt for Savarkar, then one knows they are becoming serious about an issue. It is not just limited to show-off and theater Hinduism.

+1 saar... the more I read about Savarkar, the more I'm impressed... a man's who's life story is extraordinary - seems deliberately scripted almost - in its ideation, idealism, breadth, scope, action, personality, character-build... and all of it is true.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 20 Oct 2013 06:32

disha wrote:^^ Mupallaji if it happens as you predict - aapke muh mein ghee sakkar (hope you are not diabetic with high cholesterol particularly of LDL kind)

Anyway, this is not time to relax and have charminar. Change should be made., on twitterati, googles, streets, mohallas everywhere. This is time to take your house back from termites and their queen.

By God's grace I don't have anything. I still eat gulab jamoon and ragolla along with the super sweet sugar syrup.

Eating them without the syrup is insulting for me

Seriously speaking, let us watch the different surveys that comes out in late nov. I am sure a survey will come by LenOnnews too.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 20 Oct 2013 06:36

Context of NaMo's legendary Sb4D and Mohan Bhagwat' "forget God , focus on India" statement is important. NaMo doesnt mean "first S" ; NaMo mean "forget Devalaya" i.e. forget Tridevalaya. and . Mohan Bhagwat doesnt mean "nation first" ; what he means "forget Gods" i.e. forget Tridevalaya.

RamaY wrote: As long as Indian Constitution remains Crypto Christian (secularism = Christianity without church), the TriDevalaya issue cannot be addressed by GoI. This is a larger issue and needs lot of constitutional changes before TriDevalaya can be achieved in this path.

There is no need to change constitution at all. One law needs to be repealed -- the law PVNR made that no existing religious structure's land will be taken by govt. After that via Parliament or via referendum we can have all 3 temples. Also, there is NEVER a need to change constitution text , we can simply change interpretation of constitution as and when needed.

RamaY wrote: That doesn't mean TriDevalaya project need to wait till that time. I this RSS is right in delinking the TriDevalaya project from the current socio-political projects. One need not wait for the other to happen and can go in parallel. TriDevalaya project needs to have and to some extent already have separate thought leadership. This change has to come from social engineering of India to become Bharat. Even in case of a simple majority for NM, one cannot assume BJP got the national mandate to execute TriDevalaya project outright. The mandate will be to provide good governance and rule of law. A BJP with its own majority, however can definitely start project to implement Bharatiya aspects of current constitution. Only an absolute majority, 370+ MPs, can be taken as a national mandate to start TriDevalaya project by Bhajaapavadis.

I agree that Tridevalayavaa should be delinked COMPLETELY from RSS-apex and BJP-apex. "een tilo mein tel nahi" i.e. neither BJP-apex nor RSS-apex has what it takes to deliver Tridevalaya. It is time VHP workers and other Tridevalayavaadies realize that they have wasted 25 years after wrong leaders.

We dont need 273 MPs or 370 MPs or even one MP for Tridevalaya. No matter how many MPs we send, once these MPs reach Parliament , they will all sing Sb4D and "forget God, nation first" litany and dump Tridevalaya. Tridevalaya task needs referendum ONLY. This is what I have been telling VHP activists since 1990s. But they had too much blind faith in their RSS\BJP leaders. Well, next month, I am giving them laminated newspaper cuttings of Sb4D and "nation first, forget god" statements and request them to post on the notice board of ALL their offices. And then re-request them to consider the referendum route.

Its not just Tridevalaya. Cow slaughter issue is also being dumped by BJP-apex and RSS-apex. In Goa, BJP CM and MLAs in Assembly passed resolution to allow bullock slaughter !! And in Gujarat on bakri id day in semi-urban area near Baroda, cows were slaughtered in broad day light on road in public. And when policemen went there, the policemen got beaten black and blue !! (see links below). Why? Because Police Chief was ordered by Ministers in Gandhinagar NOT to open firing lest it would ruin chances of NaMo becoming PM in may-2014!!! So the kasai mob saw that policemen are reluctunt to use firearms, and so they attacked policemen with full force !! So much for "no nonsense law order".

see https://www.facebook.com/groups/rightto ... 784208103/

(news links etc --- note that pictures of cow's slaughtered bodies are very graphic. And NaMo-bhagats and fickle-hearted are requested NOT to click these links)

cows were slaughtered in Gujarat on Bakri-id day in PUBLIC on open road in day light in Baroda area .

http://gujaratsamachar.com/index.php/ar ... in-sansrod

For full news, and over 10 pictures, see this file --- https://facebook.com/groups/righttoreca ... 781553103/ . It is page-3, Gujarat Samachar , Ahmedabad edition, 17-oct-2013

ગાયોની બેફામ કતલ છતા સરકાર નિષ્ક્રીય

વડોદરા,તા.17 - વડોદરાજીલ્લાના કરજણ તાલુકાના સાંસરોદ ગામે બકરી ઈદના દિવસે ગાયોની ખુલ્લેઆમ કતલ કરવામાં આવી હતી.

ગૌહત્યાને રોકવા માટે જ્યારે પોલીસનો કાફલો સાંસરોદ પહોંચ્યો હતો ત્યારે ગાયોના કપાલેા માથા અને ધડ રસ્તા પર પડ્યા હતા.પરસ્તા ઉપર ગાયોના લોહીની જાણે નદીઓ વહી રહી હતી.એક તરફ ગાયોના મૃતદેહ પડ્યા હતા અને બીજી તરફ ગાયના માંસનો ઢગલો પડ્યો હતો.અરેરાટી ભર્યુ દ્રશ્ય જોઈને પોલીસ અધિકારીઓ પણ ચોંકી ઉઠ્યા હતા. ગાંધીનગરમાં બેઠેલા મોદી સરકારના મંત્રીઓ કે ખુદ મુખ્યમંત્રીના કાને આ ગાયોની મરણચીસો પહોંચી હશે ખરી..કારણકે ગુજરાતમાં બેફામપણે ગાયોની કતલ થઈ રહી છે.

News on policemen being beaten, but could not open fire -- https://facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=225441790958311

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 20 Oct 2013 06:50

RoyG wrote:Modi's popularity is steadily increasing. We need to get out of this pessimistic mindset and stop blaming things like the "Feku" campaign. Be optimistic, tell as many people as you can to vote and do your part on social media. This is the final stretch. Modi didn't make it this far to lose.

You do know that as per the recent judgment, it is the same old EVMs in 2014, right?

It is amazing how people can work so hard campaigning, but still be absolutely unwilling to lift a finger about EVMs.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 20 Oct 2013 07:02

Rudradev wrote: What this means, unfortunately, is people likely to waste their votes on Independents or AAP-type trojans

AAP folks have a single USP and that is anti-corruption. If you think anti-corruption does not sell, then why worry about AAP. If you think it does sell, then why not address the issue. Has anybody heard NaMo talking about why he supports or opposes Jan Lokpal? Seems BJP is willing to sacrifice power but not its principled position against Jan Lokpal.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 20 Oct 2013 07:25

Pranav wrote: You do know that as per the recent judgment, it is the same old EVMs in 2014, right?

It is amazing how people can work so hard campaigning, but still be absolutely unwilling to lift a finger about EVMs.

Pranav,

NaMo himself is scared of pointing fingers at holy EVMs. LKA made one anti-EVM statement in jun-2009 and since then he never took this issue. All BJP leaders are scared of raising EVM issue, because they have been instructed by top not to talk about it. In Gujarat, only PUCL in India who is raising voice against EVM. Before I approached PUCL, I approached 10s or right wingers if they are willing to work against EVMs. But VHP, Bajrang Dal etc all leaders have been told to keep shut on EVM and so they all declined. Finally, I asked local PUCL activists and they agreed to spread information against EVMs. I am working with PUCL activists on specific EVM issue only, not on their other issues. They have promised to show anti-EVM videos of Hari Prasad, mine and tell about "65 candidate loophole" to 1000s of activists across India. Lets see how things go.

Receipt printing will happen in less than 5% booths by may-2014. So CIA can easily rig remaining 95% EVMs.

===

Dear All,

1. Many NaMo-bhagats consider facebook as NaMo-territory. Well, facebook is CIA territory. Facebook is owned and run by CIA. With one script, CIA can shift opinion of crores of voters in favor of Arvind Ghandy and Bianca Ghandy, and make them go against NaMo. Which is why China didnt allow facebook and uses its own social media sites. It is quite a shame that BJP\RSS despite so much money and man-power have not been able to make SM site run by Indians, and are depending on CIA-owned SM-site.

2. MNC-owners can pay paid-media and force NaMo to enter into public debate with Arvind Ghandy and Bianca Ghandy. And if both go unleashed in the debate, then they can do considerable damage to NaMo. Now will MNC-owners do that damage on NaMo? NO. MNC-owners will first ask NaMo to give tickets to "secular" , "internationalist" , pro-FDI candidates . If NaMo agrees, then MNC-owners win,. They have a Hinduvaadi\Nationalist PM who will facilitate Missionaries\MNCs. It would be like Park Chung hee of SoKo = South Korea redux at 20 times larger scale. Park Chung hee was a devout Buddhist and a staunch nationalist, but only ended up helping Missionaries and MNCs taking over SoKo. MNC-owners have already planted many of their agents deep inside BJP. eg Smriti Irani is nothing but a hard core Star Network agent. Why is it that BJP could not find any former woman soldier or woman scientist or respected woman ex-IAS or ex-IPS that BJP had to promote a TV-actress to such apex position? Well, it wasn't BJP who decided her promotion. it was Star Network who forced BJP to give such apex position to its agent Smriti Irani. The offer Start Network made to BJP was "you give our agent Smriti Irani apex position and we give you good coverage or else we give you bad coverage". Now BJP\RSS has failed to create media of their own. And so they accpeted Start Network deal-cum-threat. IOW, BJP is now fairly compromised.

So MNC-owners have now too many tools against Nationalists. ---- EVMs, Facebook, Arvind Ghandy , paid-ToI, paid-StarTV, paid-judiciary, paid-CBI and so many agents inside BJP. It is not a good sight.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 20 Oct 2013 07:30

Pranav wrote:
Rudradev wrote: What this means, unfortunately, is people likely to waste their votes on Independents or AAP-type trojans
AAP folks have a single USP and that is anti-corruption.

https://www.facebook.com/annahazare/pos ... 8589540676

Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) Leader Prashant Bhushan said yesterday that the Indian Army is responsible for killing of Kashmiris. Hindu sponsored terrorism is on peak. No one is safe here. That Kashmiris are being maltreated and suppressed by communal forces in every corner of the country.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Oct 2013 07:45

Shahsi Tharoor said something similar about Kashmir not Apna but then he removed it from FB. Did any one get the glipmse of what kind bakwas was that?

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 20 Oct 2013 08:04

Muppalla wrote:One thing is already sure that is Bihar is going bigtime BJP's way.

Yup, just yesterday a person(yadav) from bihar told me same thing:-

1) There is a BIG modi/bjp wave.
2) Brahmin, kshatriya are VERY angry with Niku and they will punish him.
3) Yadavs who used to vote for NDA even though they didn't like Niku, this time they have no reason to help Niku.
4) RJD will still get 60% of its vote bank, 20% will go to BJP and 20% to JDU.
5) "This time around there is a television in every home, people are aware of what is going on".
6) Yadavs are angry at the way Cong/Sonia have treated Lalu.
7) People are VERY angry at Killing/Beheading of Bihar Regiment soliders.
6) According to him Cong strategy is not to align with Nitish, instead they want to steal JDU votebank.. (TBH, this is not making any sense to me)

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Oct 2013 08:15

RM ji

All we need from GoI is a level playing field.

Imagine if Camel is holy for Muslims in Today's india. Will the GoI allow public sacrifice of Camels by Hindus on say Kalijayanti? If the answer is yes then we have a level playing field.

For million reasons many Hindus sacrifice animals on Hindu festivals, especially Grama-Devata festivals. However Hindus claim only Cow as holy and this causes some cognitive dissonance for people who call everything as "food".

Unfortunately some Hindus did start consuming beef and now the issue got further entangled.

There is very little "some" Hindus can do in this issue, unless other "Hindus" leave Hinduism and cow becomes holy for all remaining Hindus.

For a summery ban on cow slaughter, we need those Hindus to be majority and play majority politics.

By the way Cow thefts on the rise in India - NYT. My own sister saw this happen in front of her own eyes in Hyderabad city and the whole thing happened before she could come out of her house from 2nd floor. This cow was owned by a known family in Dilsukhnagar area and the cow used to walk in the community and my sister used to give her rice and water every day.

Only way to stop this nonsense is thru vigilante, but that can create law and order issues.

Lets see what and how NM does, if and when becomes PM of India. I would rather have him as PMoI than RG or NiaMMS, even if it means zilch for Hindu causes.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 20 Oct 2013 08:32

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UPA wants to curtail election speech telecast

The Group of Ministers on Media has decided to curtail the live telecast of election speeches from December 2013 to May 2014 to just 30 minutes. This is being seen as a desperate attempt by the UPA government to ensure that television news channels do not get to telecast Narendra Modi's over-an-hour long speeches that are creating ripples. The GoM comprises P. Chidambaram, Ghulam Nabi Azad, Kamal Nath, Kapil Sibal, Salman Khurshid, Manish Tewari and V. Narayanasamy.
Illustrations by Sandeep Adhwaryu

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Khatri, Mistry under fire for congress’ poor show in UP

Uttar Pradesh Congress Committee chief Nirmal Khatri and AICC general secretary in charge of UP, Madhusudan Mistry are in danger of losing their jobs. They could not ensure a huge turnout for party vice-president Rahul Gandhi's rallies at Aligarh and Rampur. The 22 October rallies at Hamirpur and Salempur were cancelled after apprehensions about a repeat performance by Khatri and Mistry. Khatri does not belong to a caste that matters in the state, so is not important enough for the party. As for Mistry, a Gujarati, he is unable to understand the caste dynamics of UP. A search has started for Khatri's successor. The names of Pramod Tiwari, a Brahmin; Zafar Ali Naqvi, a Muslim; and Kamal Kishore "Commando", a Dalit are making the rounds for the post. Anil Shastri, a Kayastha, is also in the race. Mistry's job may go either to Mohan Prakash or Shakeel Ahmad. It may even return to Digvijay Singh. Ghulam Nabi Azad's name is also under consideration, provided he agrees to take the responsibility.

It’s Dr Singh vs Jaya

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Morarji kin with Modi

Madhukeshwar Desai, the great grandson of the late Morarji Desai, the former Prime Minister of India, has joined Narendra Modi's core team. Desai has been working with Modi for around six months and has been given charge of the youth wing of the BJP, Bharatiya Janata Yuva Morcha, in Bihar. Modi wants Desai, a law graduate from a foreign university, to mobilise Bihar's youth.

Punia makes Kanshiram a Congress icon
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Congress' Dalit leaders are unhappy with P.L. Punia for adopting Kanshiram as a Dalit icon. They have always considered B.R. Ambedkar as their icon, but the two Dalit Sammelans that took place at Vigyan Bhawan in New Delhi recently were held on the birthday of Kanshiram, the late Bahujan Samaj Party leader. One was organised by Punia, who is the chairman of the Scheduled Castes Commission and the other by his deputy, Raj Kumar Verka. None of the Dalit leaders except Behraich MP Kamal Kishore turned up for the meetings. Complaints have been lodged against both with the party's top brass. Punia was once close to both Kanshiram and Mayawati, and joined the Congress only after she refused to give him the political status he wanted. Verka too was close to Kanshiram.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Oct 2013 08:41

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/yeddy ... ter-434489

The Chairman, National Democratic Alliance, New Delhi.Sir,Karnataka Janatha Paksha a Regional Recognized Party in its StateExecutive Committee Meeting held on 19-09-2013 attended by all District LevelLeaders has unanimously decided to support NDA in it’s endeavor of making SriNarendra Modijias the future Prime Minister Of India.KJP has won 6 seats in the General Elections 2013 held to the KarnatakaLegislative Assembly and also secured more than 10% of the total valid votes polled. Election Commission of India has granted Recognition as a Regional Partyto KJP as per the provisions of the Representation of Peoples Act.We, therefore request you to consider us an alliance party of NDA andinvolve us in all the deliberations of NDA by inviting KJP to all the meetings.Assuring you our full co-operation in making NDA a success in the ensuingGeneral Election to the Lok-Sabha.Thanking You,Your’s faithfully (B.S.Yeddyurappa)

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 20 Oct 2013 08:50

Dhananjay wrote:
Pranav wrote:
AAP folks have a single USP and that is anti-corruption.

https://www.facebook.com/annahazare/pos ... 8589540676

Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) Leader Prashant Bhushan said yesterday that the Indian Army is responsible for killing of Kashmiris. Hindu sponsored terrorism is on peak. No one is safe here. That Kashmiris are being maltreated and suppressed by communal forces in every corner of the country.

Assuming that quote is accurate, is that their primary campaign agenda for getting votes? Anyway, you are missing the main point of the post.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 20 Oct 2013 08:50

‘A turnout like Atal’s rallies’

indianexpress.com | Sun Oct 20 2013, 04:48 hrs

The crowd at the Kanpur rally of BJP’s prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi Saturday could not help but remember the rallies addressed by party patriarch and former PM Atal Behari Vajpayee in the state.

Ever since Atal — the biggest crowdpuller ever for the BJP — pulled out of active politics, the party had been holding rallies at smaller grounds in UP.

While the party claims there were more than 3.5 lakh people at the Indira Nagar Ground here, spread over 1.08 lakh sq metres, not more than 1.25 lakh people, including those standing on the roads outside the ground, turned up to hear Modi at his first rally in UP.

“It is almost after more than a decade that such a huge crowd assembled at a BJP rally in UP. Such a huge gathering was seen only at Atal’s rallies. Today’s crowd was because of Modi’s charm and his acceptance in all sections of society,” said party state spokesperson Dr Chandra Mohan.

Party insiders said Atal had last addressed a UP rally in December 2006 at Ambedkar Maidan in Lucknow where workers from across the state had assembled.

Now, it is only the rallies of the BSP that attract big crowds.

While Modi was scheduled to reach the venue at 2.45 pm, party workers began trickling in by 11 am. Senior leaders, including Modi’s close aide Amit Shah, national secretary Rameshwar Chaurasiya and state president Laxmikant Bajpai, along with party MLAs were seen issuing directives to the public and the police from the dais in order to manage the crowd.

The cultural cell was belting out songs praising Modi and criticising Congress and SP. By 2 pm, the ground was packed to capacity.

The crowd was dominated by youths who were raising pro-Modi slogans.

Modi, too, threw questions at them about the performance of UPA and SP governments and the need for BJP rule in the Centre.

Absence of national general secretary Varun Gandhi, senior leader Murli Manohar Joshi and national vice-president Uma Bharti was noticeable. A group of youths was carrying banners that read: “Desh mein Modi, Pradesh mein Varun (Modi in the Centre and Varun in UP ).”

© 2013 The Indian Express Limited. All rights reserved.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 20 Oct 2013 09:04

Pranav wrote:AAP folks have a single USP and that is anti-corruption. If you think anti-corruption does not sell, then why worry about AAP. If you think it does sell, then why not address the issue. Has anybody heard NaMo talking about why he supports or opposes Jan Lokpal? Seems BJP is willing to sacrifice power but not its principled position against Jan Lokpal.

Our own Rahul Mehta is a bigger anti-corruption champion than that fraud Kejriwal anytime. And RM is an IITian with a much higher JEE rank to boot, for those who care about such things !

RM should try and capture the mindspace currently occupied by Kejriwal - and he would have my FULL and complete support for that.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 20 Oct 2013 09:08

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 20 Oct 2013 09:15

Rudradev ji,

Perhaps it would help to set up some form of preconditions for a Modi wave. My suggestions would be

Is there underdevelopment in the state/region and as such there is a strong desire for a Vikas Purush?
Is the state/region in the throes of wide-spread corruption and scam allegations causing disenchantment among the people for their resident local leaders?
Has the state/region any migrant workers working in Gujarat who have brought back anecdotes of higher development and better governance in Gujarat as compared to their own state/region being a reality, thus making NaMo's claim as Vikas Purush and Clean Politician credible? MSM has tried to work against Modi, so this factor becomes all the more important.
Is there any communal polarization in the state/region, hard or soft, creating a desire for a Hindu Hriday Samrat?
Is the desire for a Hindu Hriday Samrat being fulfilled by some local leaders or is there a vacuum?
Is there any legacy resentment against BJP in the state/region?
Is there a high level of political churning in the state/region's politics at the moment, allowing BJP to make a strong bid for political space there offering some solution? UP, Bihar, AP, Uttarkhand, J&K come to mind.

disha · Post by **disha** » 20 Oct 2013 09:20

Arjun wrote:
Pranav wrote:AAP folks have a single USP and that is anti-corruption. If you think anti-corruption does not sell, then why worry about AAP. If you think it does sell, then why not address the issue. Has anybody heard NaMo talking about why he supports or opposes Jan Lokpal? Seems BJP is willing to sacrifice power but not its principled position against Jan Lokpal.
Our own Rahul Mehta is a bigger anti-corruption champion than that fraud Kejriwal anytime. And RM is an IITian with a much higher JEE rank to boot, for those who care about such things !

RM should try and capture the mindspace currently occupied by Kejriwal - and he would have my FULL and complete support for that.

+1. But RM needs to be less loqacious and not scare away the MNCs

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 20 Oct 2013 09:28

disha wrote:+1. But RM needs to be less loqacious and not scare away the MNCs

Oh, I completely disagree with RM on that aspect. I am socially right-wing / centrist and economically right-wing.

RM seems to be socially right-wing and economically left-wing, & he supports Modi as PM candidate. But that is still a big improvement over Kejriwal who is both socially and economically left-wing and who would probably align with the Congress when push comes to shove.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 20 Oct 2013 09:30

Rahul Mehta wrote:
Pranav,

NaMo himself is scared of pointing fingers at holy EVMs. LKA made one anti-EVM statement in jun-2009 and since then he never took this issue. All BJP leaders are scared of raising EVM issue, because they have been instructed by top not to talk about it. In Gujarat, only PUCL in India who is raising voice against EVM. Before I approached PUCL, I approached 10s or right wingers if they are willing to work against EVMs. But VHP, Bajrang Dal etc all leaders have been told to keep shut on EVM and so they all declined. Finally, I asked local PUCL activists and they agreed to spread information against EVMs. I am working with PUCL activists on specific EVM issue only, not on their other issues. They have promised to show anti-EVM videos of Hari Prasad, mine and tell about "65 candidate loophole" to 1000s of activists across India. Lets see how things go.

When I say this to ordinary folks, they look at each other and smile like I am an idiot. If Advani or Modi raise this, they will be treated like sore losers who blame it on EVM and the whole PAIDMEDIA will mock them to death and ask how they won Gujarat.

Receipt printing will happen in less than 5% booths by may-2014. So CIA can easily rig remaining 95% EVMs.

===

Dear All,

1. Many NaMo-bhagats consider facebook as NaMo-territory. Well, facebook is CIA territory. Facebook is owned and run by CIA. With one script, CIA can shift opinion of crores of voters in favor of Arvind Ghandy and Bianca Ghandy, and make them go against NaMo. Which is why China didnt allow facebook and uses its own social media sites. It is quite a shame that BJP\RSS despite so much money and man-power have not been able to make SM site run by Indians, and are depending on CIA-owned SM-site.

2. MNC-owners can pay paid-media and force NaMo to enter into public debate with Arvind Ghandy and Bianca Ghandy. And if both go unleashed in the debate, then they can do considerable damage to NaMo. Now will MNC-owners do that damage on NaMo? NO. MNC-owners will first ask NaMo to give tickets to "secular" , "internationalist" , pro-FDI candidates . If NaMo agrees, then MNC-owners win,. They have a Hinduvaadi\Nationalist PM who will facilitate Missionaries\MNCs. It would be like Park Chung hee of SoKo = South Korea redux at 20 times larger scale. Park Chung hee was a devout Buddhist and a staunch nationalist, but only ended up helping Missionaries and MNCs taking over SoKo. MNC-owners have already planted many of their agents deep inside BJP. eg Smriti Irani is nothing but a hard core Star Network agent. Why is it that BJP could not find any former woman soldier or woman scientist or respected woman ex-IAS or ex-IPS that BJP had to promote a TV-actress to such apex position? Well, it wasn't BJP who decided her promotion. it was Star Network who forced BJP to give such apex position to its agent Smriti Irani. The offer Start Network made to BJP was "you give our agent Smriti Irani apex position and we give you good coverage or else we give you bad coverage". Now BJP\RSS has failed to create media of their own. And so they accpeted Start Network deal-cum-threat. IOW, BJP is now fairly compromised.

So MNC-owners have now too many tools against Nationalists. ---- EVMs, Facebook, Arvind Ghandy , paid-ToI, paid-StarTV, paid-judiciary, paid-CBI and so many agents inside BJP. It is not a good sight.

disha · Post by **disha** » 20 Oct 2013 09:37

Hari Seldon wrote:

If the above report is correct, auto-rickshaw drivers and rickshaw pullers talking about NaMo means there is a very strong undercurrent for NaMo. Waiting for a wave to be harnessed by good booth management.

I saw a similar wave for NTR/TDP - an eight month old party beats the pants out of CongIs., I was forced to recognize it when the normally recalcitrant auto-rickshaw drivers would not charge me any money if they found my views of NTR/TDP positive !!!

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 20 Oct 2013 09:45

There was a post which says that NAMO would have be victorious if we had a presidential system of voting but since we have a parliamentary system the MPs are more important. I would like to draw the attention to the election of Bengal where Mamata beat the 30+ year mis-governance of Left. The masses voted for her regardless of who the MLA was. The mandate was simply to strengthen her hands. She can always replace a rouge MLA - like she did on Dinesh the railway minister and recently expelled some more MLAs. Even though some of her MLAs are now fallen out of favour with the people but still people are voting for her to give her the power to deal of rouge MLAs. But she is the face of the party and as long as she has the mandate MLAs will fall in line. The same is true for NAMO. He is BJP and BJP is he today. If he gets the mandate then he can deal with rouge MPs with ease.

disha · Post by **disha** » 20 Oct 2013 09:50

Rahul Mehta wrote: ... And in Gujarat on bakri id day in semi-urban area near Baroda, cows were slaughtered in broad day light on road in public. And when policemen went there, the policemen got beaten black and blue !! (see links below). Why? Because Police Chief was ordered by Ministers in Gandhinagar NOT to open firing lest it would ruin chances of NaMo becoming PM in may-2014!!! So the kasai mob saw that policemen are reluctunt to use firearms, and so they attacked policemen with full force !! So much for "no nonsense law order".

see https://www.facebook.com/groups/rightto ... 784208103/

(news links etc --- note that pictures of cow's slaughtered bodies are very graphic. And NaMo-bhagats and fickle-hearted are requested NOT to click these links)

cows were slaughtered in Gujarat on Bakri-id day in PUBLIC on open road in day light in Baroda area .

http://gujaratsamachar.com/index.php/ar ... in-sansrod

For full news, and over 10 pictures, see this file --- https://facebook.com/groups/righttoreca ... 781553103/ . It is page-3, Gujarat Samachar , Ahmedabad edition, 17-oct-2013

ગાયોની બેફામ કતલ છતા સરકાર નિષ્ક્રીય

વડોદરા,તા.17 - વડોદરાજીલ્લાના કરજણ તાલુકાના સાંસરોદ ગામે બકરી ઈદના દિવસે ગાયોની ખુલ્લેઆમ કતલ કરવામાં આવી હતી.

ગૌહત્યાને રોકવા માટે જ્યારે પોલીસનો કાફલો સાંસરોદ પહોંચ્યો હતો ત્યારે ગાયોના કપાલેા માથા અને ધડ રસ્તા પર પડ્યા હતા.પરસ્તા ઉપર ગાયોના લોહીની જાણે નદીઓ વહી રહી હતી.એક તરફ ગાયોના મૃતદેહ પડ્યા હતા અને બીજી તરફ ગાયના માંસનો ઢગલો પડ્યો હતો.અરેરાટી ભર્યુ દ્રશ્ય જોઈને પોલીસ અધિકારીઓ પણ ચોંકી ઉઠ્યા હતા. ગાંધીનગરમાં બેઠેલા મોદી સરકારના મંત્રીઓ કે ખુદ મુખ્યમંત્રીના કાને આ ગાયોની મરણચીસો પહોંચી હશે ખરી..કારણકે ગુજરાતમાં બેફામપણે ગાયોની કતલ થઈ રહી છે.

News on policemen being beaten, but could not open fire -- https://facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=225441790958311

This is put in place by the CongI B/C/D/E/.../Z team. The whole idea is to cause riots by lighting a fire. Also Karjan town has one large "cow retirement" center. And in this town a mosque was inaugrated by the same mullah (forgot his name) who was roaming around in Pakistan giving sermons. Prior to paki elections.

So all in all, this are very sensitive/crucial times. CongIs would love a riot in Guj and all its media dogs will swoop in place. Do not worry, this will not be forgotten.

And the above is not the full story., here is the gist of the complete story:

1. Police gets news that 5-7 Cows slaughtered in Sansrod village in Karjan Taluka near Vadodra
2. Local Police with PCI and 7 constables rushes there - shocked to see the carnage
3. Catch two suspects
4. A huge crowd of muslims with heavy arms attack police,
5. Police fire 22 rounds of tear gas and 1(?) round of revolver (in air)., crowd is still not under control, 2 of the constables severely injured
6. Crowd takes back initiative from police and steal the service revolver as well, police turn tail and escapes from the village
7. DGI stationed in Baroda swings into action, by evening a company reaches there - the miscreants turned tail and ran out of the village

Net - Police in village, miscreants outside and 22-23 charge sheeted.

I think Police behaved commendably and now a comparatively small matter of cow slaughter has escalated into breaking the law and beating the law officers - a set of serious crimes by the tactical brilliance of the muslims of Sansrod.

Glad that police did not fire into the crowd and went by the book. Whatever others say, the tactical brilliance of the muslims of Sansrod is available for the world to see.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Oct 2013 09:55

subhamoy.das +1.

I think NM team should come up with new t-shirt designs with small NM face in a Kamal (party symbol on voting machines) and slogans like below
- I am for CONGRESS MUKTH BHARAT
- I am for INDIA FIRST
- I am for SURAJYA

And as elections get closer
- I am for CONGRESS (and its allies) MUKTH BHARAT
.... (Better not said at this point).

niran · Post by **niran** » 20 Oct 2013 10:03

the number of attendees== 765670 plus minus 5000
the number of party cadres on arrangement duty=18000
number of polis==~ 3800
media and their entourage==~1900
this is from official ledger head count they have laptop equipped entry points where each and every entrant
have to account for them selves and get logged before entering
it was scorching with cloudless sky and the organizer in their wisdom went for a West facing stage hence direct evening Sunlight
on stage, NaMo apparently reprimanded organizers for lack of drinker water supply just by gazing at the attendees, proves that he is a in the trench micromanagement man.
the best ABV managed was around 400000, the best Mayawati managed was 200000 but theses are naked eye speculative counting
and will not include what RG managed two weeks ago.
so take it or leave it NaMo wave is there and it keeps growing the above people came to visit in spite all the tactical brilliance of Sapa
and Congress(I) dirty tricks department going into overdrive mode thus getting their motor coils melted.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Oct 2013 10:07

Niran Bhai,

Next meeting - water supply and even butter milk packs if it is too sunny.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 20 Oct 2013 11:02

one way is to have an entry point and ask people to entry that way, have some laser based counting system.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 20 Oct 2013 11:40

Elections are about 5 months away. The momentum is surely building up. No doubt on that front. Congress will be restricted to around 100. BJP will be around 200+. Others will be 200. President will invite the single largest party to form the govt and prove its majority on the floor. TMC will abstain, AIADM will support, RJD may abstain, TDP will support, YSR will support or abstain. The logic will be "we donot agree with the ideology of BJP but want to keep congress out!". So crossing 200 means NAMO will be the PM.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 20 Oct 2013 11:57

NaMo has targeted Youth/young population. But are they voters. Currently summary revision is going on everywhere. Whether BJP is trying to capture these young voters and helping them obtain enrollment as voters? After first week of January data will be available about number of new young voters. As per estimates abt 20% of young population ( newly entrat to 18+ age group) are voters. Rest are not enrolled. target should to capture all these voters who are more in tune with times and see their future in trouble due to congi politics.

Even NRIs ~~/PIOs and OCis~~ can become voters by visiting respective state election websites or ECI website for enrollment. How many of you, my NRI friends, have opted to enrol as voters. You don't need to visit India for that.

So if you feel that India needs change then rest assured that your voice will be counted provided you take the first step to become voter.

http://eci-citizenservices.nic.in/frmForm6ANew.aspx

If there are more NRI voters abroad , ask ECi to make arrangements for making poll arrangements at the embassies. There is no critical mass of NRI voters. All I see is pious hope and useless analysis depending on what they get from internet or from onetime visit in every five years to India. Time is now to act rather than over-analyze the situation and hope that donkeys vote for donkeys. We will vote as we deem fit. But will you??

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 20 Oct 2013 12:04

chaanakya wrote:Even NRIs /PIOs and OCis can become voters by visiting respective state election websites or ECI website for enrollment. How many of you, my NRI friends, have opted to enrol as voters. You don't need to visit India for that.

No, OCIs do not have voting right in India.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 20 Oct 2013 12:24

subhamoy.das wrote:I have a feeling that he may have arrived at the scene 10 years late. At 62 he is already a senior citizen and him drinking glass of water frequently may not go down well on the electorate like AVB walking with support.

Babumoshay... you have no idea how fit he is. Try shouting for an hour in "chamchamati dhoop" once.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 20 Oct 2013 12:24

Yeah that word got inadvertently written in the flow. No PIO/OCI except NRIs.

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 20 Oct 2013 12:55

I liked the part in which he said, for people born with golden spoon who make fun of poor by saying its a state of mind and people who have kept you hungry, its time you voters made them hungry.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 20 Oct 2013 12:56

Rudradev wrote:[

Sanku, with all due respect, not one word I have said goes any distance towards proving you right.

RD ji, you have made a baby step towards understanding. In time you will have seen enough to look past the personal ego of who is right and wrong and see the full picture. As I see it, you now realize that a "person" is only limited in Indian political scenario, and the overall ecosystem with long histories is what matters. You now know that your view of NaMo is not shared on the ground to an extent that political fortunes will be changed by ome man. You have now understood that US style presidential election dyanmics is not work in India.

That to me is a big improvement -- you will see the remaining pieces in time as well

In dispensing with the likes of Advani and Sushma Swaraj, NaMo has already changed 60 years of history in terms of Indian political "tradition"
... and changed the BJP immeasurably for the better

Sorry RD ji, BJP has ALWAYS been like that. In fact the last time ABV and LKA and pushed out their previous generation, it was far more drastic. This time, the choice of PM candidate has been far more smooth and with unanimity. And LKA and SS have hardly been dispensed (thank god)

. Name one other state-level leader who has managed to emerge from obscurity and effect such a coup on a national scale, rather than remaining quietly within his own regional satrap's domain

Well EVERYONE in BJP leadership is like that. Sushma Swaraj (in Delhi and then Nationally), LKA, ABV, (w.r.t. to previous people), SSC (from Uma Bharati)

Sorry RD ji. Do look at the bigger picture.

VikramS wrote:Sanku:

All the issues you highlighted are orthogonal to Modi.

That would be denial. All the issue I have highlighted are the real issues which impact whether NaMo is going to be in PM or not and whether BJP gets to be in power.

If they are really, orthogonal to NaMo, then BJP/NaMo is tilting at windmills. Thankfully that is not the case. The issue has only been that some people who support NaMo are too person oriented and believe that NaMo will wield a magic broom and clean up everything.

The only question to ask is whether it was too early for Modi, and whether he should have done more groundwork at the national level (including media management) before this cycle. But the thing is that will India in its current form survive till 2019.

Well the right start for Modi should have been in 47, if not earlier. But since Modi is human, he will come in when he can come in. Not before.

Muppalla wrote:
BJP is carefully building the momentum and just watch and have a charminar . Even the surveys see the momentum, 130, 148 and now 162. In another six months it will be 200+ probably. The puzzle just started. One thing is already sure that is Bihar is going bigtime BJP's way.

+1 Muppalla ji -- its a long battle, and pieces are being moved carefully. The victory is still uncertain, but what RSS and BJP are doing as a party has to been seen in entirety.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 20 Oct 2013 13:16

https://twitter.com/sonykalloor/status/ ... 2036337664

@Punditmusings Powerful CSI church has informed her forget south TN if she align with Modi B4 election

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 20 Oct 2013 13:17

NM was declared PM candidate just a little over a month ago. That too after some pretty open bitterness. 2 months ago to this date many were not even giving him a chance to get to the top in BJP to be declared the PM candidate. In a single month he has succeeded in taking the BJP / NDA tally by over 30-40 seats in just 2 rallies according to the op polls. He has succeeded in raising by many percentages the numbers that will vote for BJP in just about a months time. I hope they have another poll in Nov or after a couple of Rallies in Bihar and UP. In a nearby village from here, 6 buses were hired to let people attend the Delhi rally. Many went in their own vehicles. This info came from my driver. The buses were not hired by the BJP. My driver says the village mostly all will vote for BJP. And that is not BJP territory ever. So i do think there is a wave, but still the wavelength is long. As it nears the shore it's visible power will increase. 350 plus NDA this time!

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 20 Oct 2013 13:18

I wonder why people are not talking about LKA attending NaMo meet to inaugurate Riverfront and praising NaMo. While we are ready to jump on him at the slightest perceived slight to NaMo.

To those who want a visible wave everywhere, tsunami is highly compressed wave in the open ocean but as it approaches shoreline it gains height and becomes visible.And you know what it does.

If someone has seen Narmada maiyya then one would realise that she is very calm on the surface but underneath lies ferocious current .

If we don't want clean and good governance and corruption free India then nobody can help us, not even NaMo with or without magic broom. The crucial part is that we are his magic broom. If our magic doesn't work, it wont work at all. Afterall Gujarat did not get anyone from outside to make it better Gujarat. It used existing manpower and resources. At the most NaMo would be releasing the potential of Indians which are otherwise suppressed by congis. If he fails in that he would pass into oblivion as fire anf fury signifying nothing. And one can always blame fence sitters.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 20 Oct 2013 13:29

chaanakya wrote:I wonder why people are not talking about LKA attending NaMo meet to inaugurate Riverfront and praising NaMo. While we are ready to jump on him at the slightest perceived slight to NaMo.

The crucial part is that we are his magic broom. If our magic doesn't work, it wont work at all..

+108 Chaanakya ji -- people are looking at shortcuts if they are looking at a Messiah like solution with NaMo the current candidate for the messiah-hood in the fickle public mind.

This wont work -- people have to take sides with the real understanding of the world, warts and all.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 20 Oct 2013 13:44

No "Ji" pl, have you forgotten "San"? Fuk-D is still a disaster in progress.

Hoonkar rally on 27th Oct will show how BJP is placed in Bihar . Major setback for NiKuamma, I hope.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 20 Oct 2013 14:21

chaanakya wrote:NaMo has targeted Youth/young population. But are they voters. Currently summary revision is going on everywhere. Whether BJP is trying to capture these young voters and helping them obtain enrollment as voters? After first week of January data will be available about number of new young voters. As per estimates abt 20% of young population ( newly entrat to 18+ age group) are voters. Rest are not enrolled. target should to capture all these voters who are more in tune with times and see their future in trouble due to congi politics.

Even NRIs ~~/PIOs and OCis~~ can become voters by visiting respective state election websites or ECI website for enrollment. How many of you, my NRI friends, have opted to enrol as voters. You don't need to visit India for that.

So if you feel that India needs change then rest assured that your voice will be counted provided you take the first step to become voter.

http://eci-citizenservices.nic.in/frmForm6ANew.aspx

If there are more NRI voters abroad , ask ECi to make arrangements for making poll arrangements at the embassies. There is no critical mass of NRI voters. All I see is pious hope and useless analysis depending on what they get from internet or from onetime visit in every five years to India. Time is now to act rather than over-analyze the situation and hope that donkeys vote for donkeys. We will vote as we deem fit. But will you??

Now wouldn't that be great. Postal voting like in US. Or perhaps another way for Congis to rig the elections.