Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 24 Oct 2013 02:02

muraliravi wrote:http://newindianexpress.com/states/karn ... 814502.ece

"According to sources, Yatnal praised Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi’s leadership qualities at a function at Talikote of Bagalkot district on Tuesday saying that Modi was the right choice for the prime ministerial post.

With this, Yatnal dropped hints at going back to the BJP from which he had been elected to the Lok Sabha and became union minister of state for railways."

Nagesh ji, any comments?

It this happens, this is the best news I have heard in several weeks regarding the BJP in Karnataka. Basanagouda Patil Yatnal can help the BJP enormously in two Lok Sabha seats, viz, Bijapur and Bagalkot. Whether it is sufficient to get the BJP to win is another question. However, he is one person with enormous clout in the (old) Bijapur district, and will be a real asset to the BJP in the coming elections. Further, unlike Yeddy, the Reddy brothers, and Sriramulu, he is not tainted by any malpractices or corruption, and is a very charismatic leader. If Yeddy does not return, he is one person under whom the BJP can try to rally for any coming elections.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 24 Oct 2013 06:05

nageshks wrote:
muraliravi wrote:http://newindianexpress.com/states/karn ... 814502.ece

"According to sources, Yatnal praised Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi’s leadership qualities at a function at Talikote of Bagalkot district on Tuesday saying that Modi was the right choice for the prime ministerial post.

With this, Yatnal dropped hints at going back to the BJP from which he had been elected to the Lok Sabha and became union minister of state for railways."

Nagesh ji, any comments?
It this happens, this is the best news I have heard in several weeks regarding the BJP in Karnataka. Basanagouda Patil Yatnal can help the BJP enormously in two Lok Sabha seats, viz, Bijapur and Bagalkot. Whether it is sufficient to get the BJP to win is another question. However, he is one person with enormous clout in the (old) Bijapur district, and will be a real asset to the BJP in the coming elections. Further, unlike Yeddy, the Reddy brothers, and Sriramulu, he is not tainted by any malpractices or corruption, and is a very charismatic leader. If Yeddy does not return, he is one person under whom the BJP can try to rally for any coming elections.

Good. Make me feel a little confident. I am sure yeddy is also coming back, he has made too many statements on bjp/nda/modi that he cant go back. Is it worth bringing in jds also into NDA and just finishing off congress (will it??).

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 24 Oct 2013 06:07

^^Maybe some covert understandings in seats where the jds is already strong so as to prevent the cong getting any benefit is the most that can be done...

no Q of any arrangement with jds, state bjp cadre will be up in arms and understandably so.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 24 Oct 2013 06:34

Hari Seldon wrote:^^Maybe some covert understandings in seats where the jds is already strong so as to prevent the cong getting any benefit is the most that can be done...

no Q of any arrangement with jds, state bjp cadre will be up in arms and understandably so.

ur right sir. some obvious seats where they have no chance, they can leave it to jds unless they feel their voters will go to cong as it happened in the by elections

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Oct 2013 07:35

JDS is strong in the mysore-mandya-hassan-blr belt. its the core area. so long as they promise not to play ball with the congis, it might be workable to create bipolar contests instead of splitting the anti-congi vote. congis are masters of this game with the SP and BSP. its ridiculous how much they gain by strategically leveraging their southern and northern allies while themselves only having a handful of seats as in 2004.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 24 Oct 2013 07:51

muraliravi wrote: Good. Make me feel a little confident. I am sure yeddy is also coming back, he has made too many statements on bjp/nda/modi that he cant go back. Is it worth bringing in jds also into NDA and just finishing off congress (will it??).

No. The presence of the JD(S) is helping the BJP, rather than hurting it. While it is true that in the long run the JD(S) is an obstacle to the BJP's expansion in some regions, as of now, the JD(S), by taking away the Vokkaliga votes, is helping the BJP. The BJP has no Vokkaliga leaders of any significance, particularly in the old Mysore plateau. Without the JD(S), the Congress would get those Vokkaliga votes (the Congress has S M Krishna, a powerful Vokkaliga leader in his own right, and also, has a whole horde of local Vokkaliga leaders who can swing the Vokkaliga vote their way. By just taking away these votes, the JD(S) is doing a yeoman service, and the JD(S) and the BJP are not really competing for votes seriously except in maybe 4-5 constituencies (It is either Congress vs BJP, or Congress vs JD(S). Triangular contests are limited to Tumkur, Raichur, Koppal, Mysore and to an extent, Chamarajanagar).

The BJP needs to do three things.

1) It needs to focus on strengthening its base in the Mangalore plains, where it was mauled in the recent elections. In particular, it should try to get back Halady Sreenivasa Shetty in Kundapur (he is a powerhouse in the region) and Shashibhushan Hegde in Kumta (he defected to the JD(S) and nearly defeated Vishweshawara Hegde Kageri in his own hometown.) This should be the easier part - both of them were BJP members, and both of them left in pique during the BJP government. Now that there is no government power spoils to cause dissension, the BJP can try to woo these two leaders back. The advantage is that both of them enjoy a clean image.

2) The BJP needs to restore its old haunts in Hyderabad Karnataka and the Shimoga-Dharwad region. These regions were the ones badly hit by Yeddy's defection. The return of Yeddy might be able to help greatly in the coming election, but in the long run, it is necessary to build the party in the region in a way not dependent on the whims of Yeddy. Also, we do not know the form Yeddy's return is going to take. If Yeddy comes back to the BJP, it is one thing. But if Yeddy makes an alliance with the BJP, it is vital to make sure that he does not grow in the region at the expense of the BJP. The BJP has some strong leaders in the region, and should have absolutely no hesitation on poaching on the KJP leaders if need be. Yeddy has come a cropper (he may have ruined the BJP in the region, but he could not ensure the victory of his supporters. They are not are not suicide bombers. With some inducement, they will be back in the BJP. Also, Yeddy's charisma is going to fade in time. He cannot play a spoiler forever.) For the coming election, however, the return of Yeddy will help enormously.

3) The last and the toughest problem. It needs to focus on the ST (and other backward caste) votes in central Karnataka that emigrated with B S Sreeramulu. Sreeramulu (and the Reddy brothers) hold the cards in about four constituencies in central Karnataka (Bellary, Koppal, Raichur and Haveri). Sreeramulu is extremely hard to stomach for anyone with half a sense of decency (not only was he involved in illegal mining, he is also extremely prone to using strong arm tactics against all opponents), so his return might cause problems elsewhere. The main problem is that the BJP has no ST leader of any significance. The only one who might be able to grow into the vacant space left by Sreeramulu is M S Somalingappa in Siraguppa. However, there was some news that Sreeramulu wants to return and the BJP is considering it. However, this return is a two edged weapon. In any case, the BJP needs a tribal leader not dependent on Sreeramulu.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 24 Oct 2013 08:05

vishvak wrote:AAP setup shows how politics in dilli can be manipulated directly by funding from outside. However these outside funding agencies aren't under obligation to be answerable to CBI or such Indian investigation agencies.

Whole India's politics can be manipulated. Also, the MNC-owners are DIRECTLY paying mediamen to highlight AAP. The MNC-owners or their fronts like Ford Foundation are NOT paying a dime to AAP at all. AK never meets any gora and no gora or gora agency gives a dime directly to AAP. That is necessary to ensure that AAP-workers feel that AAP is 100% an Indian party with no foreign funding. Also, AAP doesnt have much money. The total money AAP will directly spend in Delhi Election is LESS THAN what BJP or Congress will spend in just five seats !! And most money AAP is getting is via individuals --- be citizens or NRI. The real money is MNC-owners pay to mediamen

In Indian politics, now paid-media-expenditure is 5 times the rest of all expenses combined !! The money politicians give to voters including gifts and party workers is now peanuts. And elitemen , desi or videsi, DIRECTLY pay mediamen to highlight the leaders they want --- be NaMo or AK.

And money American-elitemen give is several times what Indian elitemen can give. And so now, in Indian politics, videshi elitemen call the shots.

VikramS wrote:Yes AAP needs to be nipped. The bigger fear is that if they do well in Delhi, they will get massive funds to do damage in the LS elections. Given their meteoric rise, 6 months would have been a long time for them to do khujli. But the election is still not done, though HV can not b attacked the same was as VG.

And how do you propose to nip AAP?

The only methods BJP knows and will do is that agree with sponsors of AAP. And that will kill Nationalist agenda-points in the agenda of BJP.

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 24 Oct 2013 08:46

First Raul baba says my Mommy was in tears getting hospitalized during Food Security Bill's voting.
Now he says he fears his own assassination in the same way his grandma and father were done.

I remember Mulayam asking for votes, saying "if you don't vote for me, Mayavati will hang me to death".

Better ways to garner votes pls. India is sick of these emos.

Regards,
Virendra

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 24 Oct 2013 08:56

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 24 Oct 2013 16:07

Any idea when and how many NaMo rallies planned for WB and Odisa? Is there any timetable of NM's rallies?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 24 Oct 2013 17:09

Sushupti wrote:

Ouch!! The sarcasm is strong with this poster!!

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 24 Oct 2013 17:22

May be OT.

Why is that the MSM does not seem to be covering Raul's speeches? And what little coverage they do give it, they seem to be busy putting their own spin to what Raul wanted to say.

In his latest stand-up comedy show, he was heard mentioning he was bitten by "25,000 mosquitoes when he visited MP in 2009".

And this reference to 'Bundelkhand'..is he trying to stoke trouble by getting the people in the region to rise up against SSC for a separate state?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 25 Oct 2013 09:40

FYI

http://www.indiavotes.com/

India Votes is India's largest elections data resource, and has been put together by the team at Niti Digital. It covers all Lok Sabha elections since 1952, and all State elections since 1977.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 25 Oct 2013 14:12

I liked the part where RG said "road or airport bhuk nahi meta sakti". Now this guy is a either absolute dud or he is dead against removing poverty for vote bank politics. The more he speaks the more he cuts a very very sorry figure of that of a YUVRAJ born with golden spoon and pampered by dadi, ma and papa! And to think that he is CONGRESS PM candidate .....Clear indications that the family is coming to an end and with that the CONGRESS....

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 25 Oct 2013 14:26

^^^ BTW this was Lalu's tack (tumhari bailgadi ke liye road kyon chahiye) -- that type of politics as well and truly died.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Oct 2013 15:19

multiple studies have shown per-capita income of villages with better road connectivity is much better. it is not even a topic that needs debate.

in the parallel universe of the dynasty, they would use Mi17 helicopters to airdrop sacks of rice and wheat to starving plebians before retreating back to reisling wine and fresh baked garlic bread behind the ramparts of capital area.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 25 Oct 2013 15:29

Road connectivity is critical. No wonder we have Uttar Path and Dash Path in India since ancient times.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 25 Oct 2013 15:34

^^^

For the termite family roads are for rich people. roads are an essential means for a community to prosper. If some one in a village needs to be taken to the nearest block level hospital, what is the best way reaching the hospital, quickly.

It is through a good road. A good road is an enabler for economic growth, helping people grow rich. Rahul, by attacking the road development has attacked poverty alleviation movement directly.

He wants to make sure as many people remain poor as possible.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 25 Oct 2013 15:41

I have not come here to shed tears, or to tell you some sob story. I am here to wipe your tears. -Modi

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 25 Oct 2013 16:29

subhamoy.das wrote:I liked the part where RG said "road or airport bhuk nahi meta sakti". Now this guy is a either absolute dud or he is dead against removing poverty for vote bank politics. The more he speaks the more he cuts a very very sorry figure of that of a YUVRAJ born with golden spoon and pampered by dadi, ma and papa! And to think that he is CONGRESS PM candidate .....Clear indications that the family is coming to an end and with that the CONGRESS....

The king of facepalms will always surprise us with his fertility rate of "not again" moments

"road or airport bhuk nahi meta sakti"
Bhai sahab roads are the other name of infrastrsucture, infra is the harbinger of development. Development is the best way to eradicate poverty.
Are koi mujhe candidate bana do yaar. I promise I'll do better .. bade aaraam se .. like Macho kinds.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 25 Oct 2013 18:20

This road-vs-roti is true leftism. Con is forced to show their true color now. Everyday the contrast becomes starker. Wait for the day when he says building roads is communal because those who travel by good vehicles are only majority. NM advocates luxury for majority when minorities are starving to death.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 25 Oct 2013 18:50

Why the BJP cannot afford to lose Tamil Nadu

Very interesting hypothesis...

As someone put it wryly, the State BJP leadership is torn between pro-AIADMK and pro DMK sympathisers. No wonder, most BJP leaders are hoping for an alliance – some with AIADMK and some [secretly] with DMK. According to one analyst, the arithmatical strength of DMK-Congress-DMDK alliance would compel AIADMK to tie-up with the BJP electorally. Well, that may suit the AIADMK – not the BJP. And the reason for the same is not far to seek. Ideally, given the mood in TN, a BJP-led Third Front [contesting a significant number of seats] with the PMK, MDMK and DMDK could be the most formidable force – the real first front. This could well relegate the AIADMK-led front to the second spot and DMK-Congress alliance into political oblivion. Importantly, it could build the BJP from grassroots.

WTF...? Any ghost of a chance this could be true, folks..??

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Oct 2013 19:26

Hari Seldon wrote:WTF...? Any ghost of a chance this could be true, folks..??

2011 Tamil Nadu legislative assembly election result

DMDK could win 29 seats, DMK won less: 23 seats.

This time at Modi's rally in Trichy more people visited than all the votes BJP got in 2011 Assembly elections!!!

Between them DMDK, PMK, MDMK and BJP could have around 10 million votes, giving them second position!

It's important BJP becomes a factor in Tamil Nadu as well as West Bengal otherwise large chunks of these MPs would be under the leash of some Queen Bee who may get her directions from outside India, though small pressure groups in their coalitions.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 25 Oct 2013 19:41

BJP losing faith in Shivraj?

The BJP that was very much confident of forming the Government for the third consecutive term in the leadership of Chouhan about a couple of months ago, as the internal surveys of the party and the intelligence reports suggested likewise. The BJP was having so much of faith in Chouhan at that point of time that it used to ask its arch political rival in the State, the Congress that it has Shivraj Singh Chouhan, what the Congress has in the run for the Assembly Polls.But things changed drastically ever since the Congress named Union Power Minister, Jyotiraditya Scindia as the chairman of its State campaign committee and truce was established among the grand old party’s satraps and they started united campaigning in the State.

Worried with the changing equation in the State and the latest intelligence reports and the ‘Satta Bazaar’ trends indicating ouster of the BJP Government, the party decided to romp in other leaders than Chouhan as it does not want to go out of power from the State and in the process gala of party leaders were asked to campaign for the party including Modi and Bharti in addition to LK Advani, party president Rajnath Singh, leader of opposition in Lok Sabha Sushma Swaraj, leader of Opposition in Rajya Sabha Arun Jaitley former party presidents Murlimanohar Joshi, Venkaiyah Naidu and Nitin Gadkari and others.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/state-editi ... ivraj.html

satya · Post by **satya** » 25 Oct 2013 20:30

Indeed winds are blowing against BJP in MP . Above headline only confirms the rumors & explain why Crown Prince has a tight schedule for MP & Rajasthan . Slight edge for BJP in Rajasthan not much to cheer about .Delhi is touch & go for either side . What if BJP loses MP and win Rajasthan but fail in Delhi? Explain why Loksabha elections were not announced along the state elections in MP, rajasthan .
Worst thing is certain section of influential brahmins ( one's having siddhis ) in delhi going all out for INC & doing everything to stop NaMojee & in turn damaging BJP to the core . And yes almost all of them are from UP . Ek baar fir itihaas dohraya jayega : BJP ki lutiya ka ganga maiya main dubna taya hei.
More than one miracle is required to stop this . I , for one not counting on that.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Oct 2013 21:10

I would be very surprised if BJP doesn't win 4-0 in Assembly polls, but we cannot really know all that what's happening at the local level from just going through media - MSM & SM.

However Baba Ramdev has been campaigning for BJP in MP as well and he has received enthusiastic support. Congress too has shown their frustration and anger at him, so he must be having some success.

There are areas in MP where there is anti-incumbency and the sitting BJP MLAs may have to be changed there but support for BJP may still be kept high.

Some time back we saw a huge rally of BJP Karyakartas in Bhopal. If they are charged up, then it is doable.

Ashok Sarraff · Post by **Ashok Sarraff** » 25 Oct 2013 21:15

(re. satya's post) My agents say otherwise about MP. People seem very pleased with rapid progress under Chouhan govt. Growing industrialization, improving power and irrigation situation, declining corruption, and support to agriculture and education seem to have worked well with MP-ites. Yes, Scindhia's entry will make some impact, but it seems to be limited largely to Gwalior region, where he was already strong. People have not forgotten Diggy's loot, and his daily statements keep the memory alive. My reading is that MP will give two-thirds majority to Chouhan. MP is a soft-Hindutva state in any case. But that's in my humble opinion onlee.

A side note, efforts should be made to get Scindhia on the nationalist side. He is a good guy.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 25 Oct 2013 21:17

I concur. Everytime before elections we see these kind of articles (we saw this in gujarat too, keshu is going to wonders, he is going to split bjp vote, bjp is weak in saurashtra blah blah blah). Survey after survey has shown, MP, Raj and Chattisgarh are not going anywhere near congress.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Oct 2013 21:38

After Dr. Harsh Vardhan nomination as CM candidate for Delhi Elections 2013, it is going to be

4-0 for BJP!

Would be an icing on the cake if Congress loses Mizoram too!

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 25 Oct 2013 22:29

My Bhopal relative says SSC should win but they shouldn't take chances as JS is a strong opponent. My Delhi relatives say AAP is going to do well - so it could be unpredictable.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 25 Oct 2013 23:31

muraliravi wrote:I concur. Everytime before elections we see these kind of articles (we saw this in gujarat too, keshu is going to wonders, he is going to split bjp vote, bjp is weak in saurashtra blah blah blah). Survey after survey has shown, MP, Raj and Chattisgarh are not going anywhere near congress.

Agree but what got me worried is its appearance in Pioneer. Maybe Mitraji, being a member of D4 brigade, trying to be in the good books of NaMo.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 25 Oct 2013 23:33

satya wrote: Worst thing is certain section of influential brahmins ( one's having siddhis ) in delhi going all out for INC & doing everything to stop NaMojee & in turn damaging BJP to the core . And yes almost all of them are from UP . Ek baar fir itihaas dohraya jayega : BJP ki lutiya ka ganga maiya main dubna taya hei.
More than one miracle is required to stop this . I , for one not counting on that.

This is not the thread to discuss this, but it is incredibly hard for any siddha to do that. Remember, NM is not a person, he is an institution. To reach at that level one needs a lot of inner power and strength. Airy fairy tantriks can't even come close to him. Plus he has blessings of millions behind him. Anyone trying to change his course is not chaning a person's course, he is changing the fate of billions of people and perhaps, more or less the fate of a huge chunk of people across the world over a long period of time. That is not easy. That is really not easy. You need Avatars to change the course at this level. And those who can do this can't be bought by cong

. If the report is true, most likely someone is washing his hands in flowing ganga

(crude english for baheti ganga me hath dhona).

Added later: No one can change the fate of RG or even Lallu for that matter. There are just too many people associated with their fate.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 25 Oct 2013 23:46

^^^ During RJM days it was found that hard antiCongress sant/sadhus of dharm-sansad were from thakur background while those with soft corner for congress were from..... background. In gangetic plains it's the thakurs who lost most, in terms of power, after 47 and ..... gained most in terms of same. It was only after the rise of Sanjay Gandhi that Thakurs gained back some of what they had lost. With arrival of Mandal both became irrelevant in the power struggles of cow belt. But memory of power is more recent among ....(89) while for thakurs all those with memories of power are dead and gone and hence more at peace with the reality of rise of OBCs and SCs.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Oct 2013 00:28

Satya, If you have chance remind them of what Chanakya said when he was asked why he supported Chandragupta. He wouldn't like to repeat the Vedic mistakes.

INC under the Gandhis is modern Nanda Raj.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 26 Oct 2013 01:06

Among all the states where is Congress going to get the Maximum number of seats in LS 2014?

My Guess:
Karnataka: 14
Kerala: 12
Assam: 7
MP: 6
MH: 6
Telangana: 4
Raj: 5
UP: 3
Odisha: 3
Haryana: 2
HP: 1

So I would guess Congress could get around 75-80 seats!

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 26 Oct 2013 01:25

RajeshA wrote:Among all the states where is Congress going to get the Maximum number of seats in LS 2014?

My Guess:
Karnataka: 14
Kerala: 12
Assam: 7
MP: 6
MH: 6
Telangana: 4
Raj: 5
UP: 3
Odisha: 3
Haryana: 2
HP: 1

So I would guess Congress could get around 75-80 seats!

I would say Assam - 9, MH - 11, Telangana - 9, Odhisa - 7, Haryana - 5. I would say 110-120 seats.

satya · Post by **satya** » 26 Oct 2013 03:03

Empire takes time to crumble but dynasty takes ever longer time to crumble . It used to be murmurs around aviation club that Crown Prince had attention deficit ( to put it gently) . Now its common knowledge that he reads a written speech & Queen had to plead b4 Mulayam Singh in front of tv cameras. As Govindacharyajee was once quoted as saying that ABVjee was a mukhota only , fast forward to presen times there's no govindacharyajee saying so about First Family but indeed dynasty is on path of being a Mukhota if not one already.

Kapil

The siddhs i am talking about are not our average paid tv astrologers . One of them was responsible for saving Behanjee's govt. in UP & later saved NaMojee's post godhra upheavel . Money is not a primary mover maybe power or something else , its beyond my intellect. I don't want to speculate.

But on a positive note : there's always tomorrow .

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 26 Oct 2013 04:15

The story of vaamana and shukra should teach lesson to such brahmins.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 26 Oct 2013 04:55

Such brahms give all brahms a bad name. Take the likes of amarass missra and blundjay jha.... they're the lower end of the scale... but for accomplished brahms (siddhis at that) to go aganst the grain of the land itself... nah, namo ji has blessings from Belur math itself, was deemed worthy of ordination into the Ramakrishna order... that speaks volumes about the spiritual and inner core strength of the man... not easy to bring down with mere manipulation of some siddhis here and there, IMO...

Again I say it (putting aside my jinx fears simply coz namo is a siddha who is beyond such inanities)- every event big or small ultimately magically ends up becoming another step in his ascension to material power in this mortal plane... it's almost as if the hand of destiny is guiding him, protecting him, saving him for bigger things... or so I hope. And pray.

niran · Post by **niran** » 26 Oct 2013 07:25

May I know the name of the good Brahmin sidh sadhu
coz moi radar do not show any nor cockroach under the mats
has been wishpeering