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Singha wrote:and this de-matrixification process could never happen through govt controlled print (newspapers, school text books) and tv media or their private 'allies'

atleast on the internet, alternative points of view can quickly become popular and attract those who took the red pill. its a more level playing field. fbook/twitter type "platforms" act as multicast pipes to quickly reach millions of people...which is why cheeni govt is so scared of such things and has banned fbook except a tiny expat enclave in shanghai.
Agreed. These platforms provide the first proper way to bypass the stranglehold of the govt/left controlled media/thought police.

I think if UPA3 comes to power, one of the first things they will do is attempt to police the net. Seveal INC worthies have already tried and there are enough people who for love of lucre, power and their desire to police "communal thoughts" will push this.
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Post moved from Strategic Forum, due to pressure from BRF thought police...
Arjun wrote:Address Rahul with respect, says Congress after Modi's barbs

Posting this 'Alice in Wonderland' type news here since it relates to freedom of speech.

The Congress finds Modi's use of 'Shehzada' to refer to the latest Dynastic product reprehensible ! :eek: :roll: 'Secular' politicking is getting beyond laughable now. Most folks would regard Shehzada as way too dignified a term for a person widely regarded as a doofus !

And this complaint from the same party that liberally uses terms like Feku and 'Maut ka saudagar' !!
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Victor wrote:Maybe there needs to be an all out street fight where congi goons are vastly outnumbered and whipped senseless by modivadis. Few thugs with absolute power can be expected to go away without being comprehensively hammered in a dirty fight.
That just gives the INC a way to impose "emergency" and use the power of the state - cops/paramil/military against the BJP/RSS. Egged on by the paid media. This attempt has been going on for many years now.. thats the entire point of the saffron terror ruse.
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How Modi and his Rajasthan audience changed in a decade

For his listeners earlier, Modi was mainly a symbol of their anguish against the appeasement of minorities and the resultant emotional backlash. But today, he means different things to different people. His black and white image has acquired different shades. The angst against the politics of secularism, though as a mellowed-down version, still remains the backdrop. But for his supporters he has also become the man who would get them jobs, protect their honour, stand up to Pakistan, compete with the US, weed out corruption, bring out unimaginable development and, in the process, decimate the Congress and its dynastic culture.
The litany of expectations from Modi is scary. Modi, it has become clear, is riding a tiger that can one day devour him.

The atmosphere in the cities he visits is also in stark contrast to 2003. Earlier, except for the frenzied activity at the venue, there would be an uneasy calm all around. His rallies back then were like a private and personal soliloquy for the devoted and the faithful. But in Udaipur on Saturday it was clear that Modi shows have now become public spectacles. From the gathering of a few, cautious believers, many of whom looked apologetic for being there, the spectacle in Udaipur was an unabashed carnival of the hopeful. For the BJP this could be a heartening sign; for the Congress a signal for introspection. Modi’s persona has acquired so many connotations that running it down with memoirs of the dynasty and the secularism agenda would now be next to impossible. For his fans, it seems now, Modi can fall only if he fails to live up to their expectations.
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Lilo wrote:
Singha wrote:good thing is the future voters (30 and younger) increasingly have abandoned the printed newspaper and tv and get all their news off the internet incl facebook. not just news but events and ads as well.

"civil society" nightly bash-namo talk shops on the MSM "news" channels probably attract the over 60 buddhijeebi crowd only who are already converted and hardcore devotees of the congi philosophy.
Singha avare,
What you say applies to the internet enabled crowd.
In our vast hinterlands for the avg working class/farming 10th drop out or ITI pass out etc getting married and setting up families etc - TV by far is the main independent influence. Currently their extended network of relatives,friends,colleagues etc is somewhat compensating the paid media bias against modi - but more needs be done by NaMo to bring TV media back from depths its plumbing and to make it perform its original job. I even suggest to buy blackmail it to the extent possible(especially vernacular channels) using his friends in business class in the runup to elections. The required purge can happen after he comes into power. I am seeing satellite dishes (tata sky , sun tv , airtel etc) on thatched huts even in far flung villages. Internet has still ways to go in comparison. TV media will rule for at least another decade .
Its amazing how the INC quickly picked up all the avenues of all the influencers etc - long before all these terms became popular - and bought them over lock, stock and barrel.

-As children - state texts in several places - full of G-family hagiography, 1-2 line snippets about caste system/bad stuff in H'sim etc/ laudatory references to Mughals and other secular thoughts.. basically, shape the mind in a certain way

-As teenagers/adults - pretty much all sources of media, including then DD - full of laudatory stuff about G-family. Never a bit about their bad politicking. Any cognitive dissonance about state of affairs/etc - diverted towards "foreign hand", not that it wasn't there but clearly not the only source of Indian troubles..so you can be patriotic but in a "certain way" with only certain memes as acceptable

-As adults in post liberalization India - 99% of media channels, proINC plus mags like Outlook etc appear when existing mags (India Today etc) are not deemed sufficiently reliable (despite being mostly pro establishment).

Meanwhile, "communal texts" (anything very proHindu) are banned/books N/A, meanwhile even with leftist insurrection thriving, communist stuff/hard core left stuff is available even in bookshops.

An acquaintance tells me, that even today, registering any society as Vedic etc invites extra "attention".

Its only the net that has eased a minute portion of the control, the INC has on educated Indians mind since 1996-97 onwards.. and the net is only available to a minute portion of Indian public.
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Need to throw out such pseudo leftism with selective opinions pretending to be something called secular.

For example, when anyone talks of Godhra or Muzaffarnagar riots then pseudos come out shouting how it is sensitive- so even sense and sensibilities are claimed selectively; even in face of outright mob attacks, burning of Hindu pilgrims, attacking citizens with assault weapons, burning victims and hiding evidence by disposing remains in water.

All this is to be ignored? This selective behaviour to hide violence against Hindus must be removed too by way of shauchaalay. The pretenders and pseudos deserve shauchalay treatment and nothing more really.
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Haha!!!! that's the real teeth.

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Kanoon ka khyal or if it were pre 89 era.
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vishvak wrote:Need to throw out such pseudo leftism with selective opinions pretending to be something called secular.

For example, when anyone talks of Godhra or Muzaffarnagar riots then pseudos come out shouting how it is sensitive- so even sense and sensibilities are claimed selectively; even in face of outright mob attacks, burning of Hindu pilgrims, attacking citizens with assault weapons, burning victims and hiding evidence by disposing remains in water.

All this is to be ignored? This selective behaviour to hide violence against Hindus must be removed too by way of shauchaalay.
It is the work of decades.

All I can say is, if you have become aware, then state your opinions and get people to open their eyes. Have the facts on your finger tips, learn how to debate (w/o losing temper) and be consistent. Most of Indian public of upper/middle class (again, my subjective opinion based on limited sample size) has lead a very sheltered/ directed by external stimuli sort of life and can talk to you about Malala and how brave she is, but will gaze at you blankly if you mention a Yogendra Yadav
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Karan M wrote:
I just realized over the past couple of years how completely and totally ignorant the entire 30+ and below crowd is.. they simply dont have an iota of understanding of the reality of what happened.. stuff like this is completely unknown amongst 99.99% of this group

http://tarekfatah.com/the-muslim-conque ... ization-2/

and hence they simply don't get why "communal hindus" are so worried about whats going on.

The above should be compulsory reading for every Hindu teenager, to understand how badly our ancestors suffered, and why its important to "keep the powder dry, even whilst hoping for peace" as Will Durant mentions.

There is not any more confused society in the world than India's who seem to be completely unaware of the truth of what happened to them, and what they are still under risk from (with the exception of China which displays a similar attitude towards communists after what Mao et al did).

Basically, in Europe, to pretend that the genocide of jews did not go on, is called negationism and can get you in trouble.
In India, its the exact reverse, wherein the truth has to be hidden.

All this because "civil society", aka left leaning intellectuals, decided what the "truth" is.

What I mean is, that we will be truly free and able to think for ourselves, as a nation, when the bulk of the so called 30+ and below crowd, know all this information and can make proper decisions when it comes to national security
Karan M ji, This will change only when Knowledge(based on facts and not leftist discourse) is disseminated in vernacular languages including Hindi. Again it is Narendra Modi who has taken initiative in this regard. I have seldom seen him conversing in language other than Hindi/Gujarati. He has shown that in order to become popular and cool, one does not have to depend on English.
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Yes, but its not just Modi, we all have to spread the message, politely and firmly. I understand i am preaching to the choir here though and many of you are much ahead of the likes of me..But what I guess I am saying is one Modi alone cannot change society, hopefully though he will change the environment so that the state is not used to suppress the truth. That itself is a big plus. I find it amazingly ironic and shameful (about how things are regarding true freedom of speech based on facts), that NRIs can discuss India more candidly than Indians in India. The above threat to Modi shows the reality of things in India today, that even a PM candidate can be openly threatened for merely being sarcastic after facing far worse, including calumny.
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I been missing in action in this dhaaga for a few days, it looks like decades. Modi achieves more things in a few hours, than I achieve in a week. Sorry for comparing me with Modi, hey why not :mrgreen:

All this talk of 'Sb4d' is so catchy and trendy, but either is mischievous distraction or plain misunderstanding of what people in this country want. Government should not get into temple-building exercise, but should focus on getting clean toilets for the people. The anger portrayed in such coined up words is either mock anger or empty words like Rahul Gandhi. Oh it is a free country, and a free forum. And honestly, it is quite trollish - because it is not really placing arguments for one idea or the other. But repeated messaging of how Modi is not good enough.

In the last few speeches, Modi has been tearing holes into RG beautifully. I am sure we all have more ideas on how to do it, but he is a master. Modi has jumped right into this dhaaga so to speak, contrasting himself with RG at every possible moment.

It is clear, Modi's is moving to capture the hearts and minds of more people. It also speaks volumes, when Modi is able to coherently argue for the welfare of Muslims - because it means Congress has vacated that seat. But truth be told, Congress never really cared for Muslim welfare; they were more interest in the votes. That has been the sentiment in BRF for a long time, that Congress's strategic plan has kept Muslims languishing for decades now.

Modi is speaking BRF language for sometime now. 400% onlee.

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/how-m ... 96059.html
While Modi’s transformation is understandable, the complete metamorphosis of his audience is one of the defining stories of the election campaign in Rajasthan. For his listeners earlier, Modi was mainly a symbol of their anguish against the appeasement of minorities and the resultant emotional backlash. But today, he means different things to different people. {many of us said it before in this dhaaga}His black and white image has acquired different shades.

The angst against the politics of secularism, though as a mellowed-down version, still remains the backdrop. But for his supporters he has also become the man who would {1} get them jobs, {2} protect their honour, {3} stand up to Pakistan, {4} compete with the US, {5} weed out corruption, {6} bring out unimaginable development and, in the process, {7} decimate the Congress and its dynastic culture. The litany of expectations from Modi is scary. Modi, it has become clear, is riding a tiger that can one day devour him. {quite true}

The atmosphere in the cities he visits is also in stark contrast to 2003. Earlier, except for the frenzied activity at the venue, there would be an uneasy calm all around. His rallies back then were like a private and personal soliloquy for the devoted and the faithful. But in Udaipur on Saturday it was clear that Modi shows have now become public spectacles. From the gathering of a few, cautious believers, many of whom looked apologetic for being there, the spectacle in Udaipur was an unabashed carnival of the hopeful.

For the BJP this could be a heartening sign; for the Congress a signal for introspection. Modi’s persona has acquired so many connotations that running it down with memoirs of the dynasty and the secularism agenda would now be next to impossible. For his fans, it seems now, Modi can fall only if he fails to live up to their expectations.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/do ... 85851.html
Lucknow: All India Muslim Personal Law Board deputy chief Maulana Kalbe Sadiq on Friday said Bharatiya Janata Party Prime Ministerial candidate Narendra Modi is not a political untouchable for the minority community.

Underlining that doors are not closed for talking to Modi, a newspaper report quoted Maulana Sadiq as saying that the Gujarat Chief Minister can garner votes if he shows that he cares for Muslims.
One hopes, Modi goes for the Muslim votes in a decent and non-appeasing manner. In a democracy political parties have to get votes to win elections, and they have to address the concerns of all communities. What disgusts aam admi is the appeasement of one community at the cost of another, fanning communal hatred, spreading religious divide and hiding truth. If Modi can maintain his no-nonsense and non-appeasement approach (with nation first as the mantra of secularism), then it is the best thing to happen for the country. A country progresses only when all sections progress. And like Modi repeats million times, his progress model does not discriminate people. Hopefully he continues to send positive messages, and people turn around and see value in his ideas and methodologies.

He is not going to be perfect, and different sections of his fans/supporters will have grudges and problems with his ideas, articulation and implementation. He is now more than ONE idea for the people. And the ONE idea FOR him is NATIONAL PROGRESS & SUSTAINABILITY.
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First he has to destroy votebank politics.

Yadav votebank, Muslim votebank, Vanniyar votebank, Dalit votebank, Christian votebank. No appeasement, Development,Governance, Justice for all and opportunities for all.
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One of the things I like about Modi is that during speeches, he not only uses rhetoric well to his advantage but he brings in different luminaries relevantly. Mahatma Gandhi is a standard in his speeches, he will use local leaders (past and current) well - I am sure this is in the playbook of all politicians. However he differentiates other politicians with himself by using the people he mentions as a guide/philosopher and not make empty promises.

There is not one speech, where has not thrown a new idea, or an idea he had articulated previously or bring attention to solving real life problems. Contrast this with Rahul Gandhi, when questioned by a student - Rahul replied by cornering the poor student to answer his own question. That student handled the situation remarkably well, and I am sure he is going to ace his interviews.

In Jhansi, Modi pointed at the pilot project of migrant workers of UP/Bihar working in Gujarat, and working overtime + getting paid for 6 months and returning to their homes to help family during the agriculture season. Sure, there might be implementation problems. Even if the workers do not get 6 months, but receive 2-3 months it will be a blessing for some of the families. Like Modi reminded the audience, it is a pilot project and its success or failure would determine some of the ideas in the future. He has taken the employers into confidence and trying out new things.

This is not like aiming for the sky and reaching for the tree top at all or India attempting to send a man to Pluto, having never had the experience of sending someone to a closer planet/satellite. It is experimenting with ideas in a controlled manner with the results feeding into future decision making process.

It does not matter if these ideas are not original and from Modi himself. What matters is like Pixar, he is not afraid to try out ideas for the betterment of people. He evangelizes these ideas. His urge to the citizens to give BJP 60-months, is a reflection of his confidence of implementing simple solutions to everyday problem. He has said several times, the farmers do not need electricity per se, but they need water to irrigate. Of course, electricity has its benefits and we do not have to discuss how electricity is essential to a modern society. But the crux is for him/administration to understand the true requirements of the farmer. Software professionals (and possibly other professionals ) face similar situations day in and day out, when their business partners come with requirements and eventually all the stake holders realize the developed software does not meet/solve the end-users problems. What use is electricity, if there is no water in the wells or there are no wells?

From any other politicians' mouth "Give us 60 months" phrase would sounded as a political stunt. From Modi, it breathes hope into people's lives. It might be cliche to state that a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil has consequences elsewhere. However, Modi is on the right track, simple changes at the right spot will bubble up positive changes into the system. When the cycle chain keeps getting broken, one does not have to change/repair the entire cycle. One buys good chain, applies the lubricants in the right spots (so no kinks appear in the future) and get the cycle in working condition. One does not have to go out and buy new seats, bells and whistles for the cycle.
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+1 a nice way to describe NaMo style.
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and i like the ones he said:

don't make the prime minister,
make me your chowkidaar at dilli!
I shall deliver
what you want for jhansi.

meaning: if you vote me to become PM, i shall serve you all as chowkidaar! fantastic!
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vivek.rao wrote:++++++++++++++++++++++++++1


First he has to destroy votebank politics.

Yadav votebank, Muslim votebank, Vanniyar votebank, Dalit votebank, Christian votebank. No appeasement, Development,Governance, Justice for all and opportunities for all.
It is very hard to not believe in Modi. His opening lines and his end with the chant of 'Vande Mataram' every time in his speeches will have a cascading exponential effect on people. His core message is that his model does not discriminate people. Life is unfair, but people hate this unfairness and expect some utopian fairness from life. That is not going to happen. But governments can level the playing field to some extent. When sauchalaya :mrgreen: {some people in this forum do not like to say that word}, sadak, pani aur bijli reaches everybody then there is potential for growth.

Modi's ideas about "Nation first", Congress mukth Bharat & references to Mahatma Gandhi, Ambedkar, Jhansi, Rana Pratap, Cholas, Narayana Guru ityadi resonate deeply and create a "revolution" in people. He does not play the victim card. In Jhansi speech, he used Andhra Pradesh, Odisha, Bihar, UP and Gujarat and weaved a narrative. It unites people. He weaved the story of a UP mother worried about her son in a train journey to Gujarat. Sure, some of us might dismiss it as a political-stunt, it connects people in different state emotionally. It provides a sense of belonging together in the vast nation.

When was the last time, people were offered hope and unity? Well it must have been before 1947. India is not going to turn into the Kingdom ruled by Indra and cities are not going to become like Amravati. Sensible people realize that. It is one thing to offer hope and win elections, another thing to implement changes. Modi can make changes that will have far reaching impact. Some of the benefits would be immediate, some of them will take a long time.

The last time I saw such enthusiasm among intellectuals was during the 90s when BJP was gaining momentum.

I have not heard the Udaipur speech yet. http://zeenews.india.com/news/rajasthan ... 86002.html

He has connected Shivraj, Raman Singh, Vasundhara and himself. While I might have doubts on Vasundhara. But he is connecting prominent leaders across four states and their people.

Of course, I would want him to become a PM. However, if that does not happen but he manages to inspire 10 CMs of India, and make them change their old ways and move India in the right direction, that is a massive victory for a man serving tea to others. It is as big as what Sardar Patel did for India.

And BRFites zor se bolo "Sauchalaya before Devalaya" :mrgreen: Dilli tak sunayi deni chahiye.
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SwamyG wrote: http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/do ... 85851.html
Lucknow: All India Muslim Personal Law Board deputy chief Maulana Kalbe Sadiq on Friday said Bharatiya Janata Party Prime Ministerial candidate Narendra Modi is not a political untouchable for the minority community.

Underlining that doors are not closed for talking to Modi, a newspaper report quoted Maulana Sadiq as saying that the Gujarat Chief Minister can garner votes if he shows that he cares for Muslims.
This is very significant.

Now I see why dienasty wants to bring the communal violence bill. They are seeing their 'vote bank' crumbling and are desperately in the damage control mode.
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RSS differs with Modi, agrees with Rahul -

http://fb.me/2ubO8PFWh
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SwamyG wrote: that is a massive victory for a man serving tea to others.
I am sure you didn't mean it but this line sounds like the one dished out by elitist a-holes.
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Sushupti wrote:RSS differs with Modi, agrees with Rahul -

http://fb.me/2ubO8PFWh
Rediff link :roll: I don't see how come RSS is differing from what Modi said after reading the article.
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Sagar G wrote:
Sushupti wrote:RSS differs with Modi, agrees with Rahul -

http://fb.me/2ubO8PFWh
Rediff link :roll: I don't see how come RSS is differing from what Modi said after reading the article.
PAIDMEDIA trying to obfuscate the issue to cover Shehazada
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If Madhu has insiders, you think Namo does not. Anyway it's too late. If he gets BJP to the podium and someone else walks into stand, there will be a bloodbath. Literally! No leader stands as tall as Modi. Everyone can see it.
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Cong-workers-disrupt-Paresh-Rawals-play
AHMEDABAD: The city police detained members of the Youth Congress and the National Students Union of India from Thakorbhai Desai Hall near Law Garden late on Thursday night after they disrupted a show of noted actor Paresh Rawal's latest play 'Dear Father' over alleged political references in the script.

Police detained 15 members who were released after the end of the show. According to the police, the organizers witnessed some youth groups in the compound of the theatre. They immediately alerted policemen who were deployed on the spot.

Sensing trouble, the Congress and NSUI members started shouting slogans against the play when they were detained and taken to the police station.

Rawal's play 'Dear Father' talks about the relationship of a father and a son.

Nirav Bakshi, president of Youth Congress, Ahmedabad west, told TOI that some of the party workers who had been to the play earlier had reported dialogues with 'derogatory and offensive' references to Congress vice-president Rahul Gandhi. :rotfl:

"We respect art and freedom of an artist to express what he deems fit. However, when one goes to watch a play after paying money, why should there be pointed references to politics and politicians in good or bad light? We decided to protest and had sent nearly 100 members as viewers inside the auditorium. We had decided to shout slogans and protest when the said scene was being enacted. However, the organizers were alert as the lines never came. Police nonetheless picked up the workers," said Bakshi.

Rawal could not be reached for his comment.
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Madhu is sounding like MSM, creating doubts to deflect votes away from BJP.
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Sagar G wrote:
Sushupti wrote:RSS differs with Modi, agrees with Rahul -

http://fb.me/2ubO8PFWh
Rediff link :roll: I don't see how come RSS is differing from what Modi said after reading the article.
RSS Spokesperson Ramji Madhav: "PTI story abt RSS differing with Modi over Rahul Gandhi's ISI statement is misrepresentation of what Shri Datta Hosabale had said."
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prahaar wrote:RSS Spokesperson Ramji Madhav: "PTI story abt RSS differing with Modi over Rahul Gandhi's ISI statement is misrepresentation of what Shri Datta Hosabale had said."
Typical of MSM :lol:
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Madhu is sounding like MSM, creating doubts to deflect votes away from BJP
Madhu is not too sharp IMO. Can be manipulated. What i felt is if indeed someone felt like using NM, it's just not possible to ride a Tsunamo. This is not some average slow rolling surf one can ride on the ocean. People are not yet born that have ridden Tsunami's that thunder miles inshore..too immature a statement. If at all anyone has a chance to become PM it is LKA and that is if NM crowns him on his own and continues in Gujarat till 2017. I am worried about that possibility.
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Protest outside Rahul's residence over 'ISI remark'

New Delhi: Members of the Social Democratic Party of India (SDPI)Saturday staged a protest outside Congress vice president Rahul Gandhi's residence here over his remarks that Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence contacted Muslim youths affected by the Muzaffarnagar communal violence.

SDPI members marched to Gandhi's Tughlaq Road residence and burnt his effigy. Seeking an apology, the members said such statements cast doubt on the integrity of Muslims. Gandhi made the remark at Thursday's Indore rally.

The August-September riots in Uttar Pradesh's Muzaffarnagar district and adjoining areas claimed 62 lives and rendered 43,000 people homeless.

http://twocircles.net/2013oct26/protest ... im+News%29
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At the end of the day Modi is at a disadvantage b/c the he is facing the entire system. The corrupt will go to any length to protect their lives and wealth. It just takes one jihadi with a vest or firearm.
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These are the ford foundation AAP idiots that some in delhi are voting for:



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harbans wrote:If at all anyone has a chance to become PM it is LKA and that is if NM crowns him on his own and continues in Gujarat till 2017. I am worried about that possibility.
That's not going to happen, NM will lose credibility if he does that and he is smart enough to know that.
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This guys still has a major colonial hangover:
Ashok Malik ‏@MalikAshok 3h
HRH King George VII http://www.hindustantimes.com/photos-ne ... icle4.aspx
Sagar: Hope so you are right.
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Sagar G wrote:
SwamyG wrote: that is a massive victory for a man serving tea to others.
I am sure you didn't mean it but this line sounds like the one dished out by elitist a-holes.
I am an elite. We are all elites and hypocrites. Only the degree varies.
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SagarAg wrote:Cong-workers-disrupt-Paresh-Rawals-play
... reported dialogues with 'derogatory and offensive' references to Congress vice-president Rahul Gandhi. :rotfl:

"We respect art and freedom of an artist to express what he deems fit. However, when one goes to watch a play after paying money, why should there be pointed references to politics and politicians in good or bad light? We decided to protest and had sent nearly 100 members as viewers inside the auditorium. We had decided to shout slogans and protest when the said scene was being enacted. However, the organizers were alert as the lines never came. Police nonetheless picked up the workers," said Bakshi.

Rawal could not be reached for his comment.
Political remarks in gujju dramas are very very common. There wouldn't be any drama in which there is no political remark to create humor. When Lallu was CM there used to be dramas in which artists mock Lallu like anything. I recall a drama in which Lallu was a character shown as a greedy but moronic CM of bihar :eek: . The cattle food remarks were used freely even though the matter was in court. He was ruling Bihar then. They even mock Ambanis also. Mocking MMS is a routine :mrgreen: . People take it very lightly.

Added later: Perhaps Paresh Raval was targeted because he is working on a movie on NM.
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Arjun wrote:Address Rahul with respect, says Congress after Modi's barbs[/url]
A brilliant set of tweets that summarizes the kind of language used by Congress against Modi:

http://t.co/mx3dqGzYty
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A great article by Surjit Bhalla on Gujarat and Modi developmental model.

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/co ... /1187235/0

Yet what worries me is when i see the number of shares on it..just 12. People still seem to be willing to ride on rhetoric than cold facts nicely placed before them.
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RoyG wrote:Remember one thing folks: If Congress goes out of business than the PA will lose a lot of money (ex. hawala, scams, etc). It's also in their interest to see Modi dead. I'm sure they have a few more Headley types doing recon at the rallies and have a few jihadis lying in wait in the country. Not only that, he is taking on the entire corrupt establishment. With all the resources at their disposal I have a feeling they'll hit him at the last minute. But they would need to take out his possible successors as well who will be just as ruthless as him.
RoyG: many people, myself included, are afraid of this. Unfortunately, he is the only messiah and there is zero secondary leadership in BJP or amongst Hindus in general. If something were to happen to him, Hindus will do a lot of chest beating but after some time, move on (like Mumbaikars post blast-number-N). Libtards will mouth some platitudes but will say that he paid the price, thereby equating it with the price the dynasty paid in the form of Indira & Rajiv assassinations (this btw, is one of the unstated reasons why libtards are unwilling to bring up 1984 anti-Sikh riots - price paid, account closed).

All this being said, if Congress wants to take out Modi or look the other way when someone else does, they have to time it right. If they do it before 2014 LS elections, the needle of suspicion will fall on the Congress naturally. Modi has many enemies (internally & externally) and they can try to divert the attention elsewhere, but it will be a very difficult sell. They have only a marginal hope of winning 2014 anyway & there might be a huge sympathy wave that might just swamp them.

Otoh, taking out Modi in year 1 or year 2 after becoming PM is more rational. At that point, the needle will point less at Congress & more at some disgruntled jihadi. It would be easy to explain it away as a combo of Gujarat + some unpopular policy that he introduced. It will also give the Congress an opening because a weak #2 successor to Modi (especially if the NDA has a slim majority) will pave the way for a mid-term election, where the Congress can play the "we are the only party that can bring stability" card
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harbans wrote:A great article by Surjit Bhalla on Gujarat and Modi developmental model.

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/co ... /1187235/0

Yet what worries me is when i see the number of shares on it..just 12. People still seem to be willing to ride on rhetoric than cold facts nicely placed before them.
I saw a few tweets sharing this today
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