Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 27 Oct 2013 02:03

Cong created a song 'O bhai feku' for ad on NM in which they SLAP him calling feku during 2012 election. They ran this song on tv day in and day out.

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 27 Oct 2013 02:18

kapilrdave wrote: Political remarks in gujju dramas are very very common. There wouldn't be any drama in which there is no political remark to create humor. When Lallu was CM there used to be dramas in which artists mock Lallu like anything. I recall a drama in which Lallu was a character shown as a greedy but moronic CM of bihar . The cattle food remarks were used freely even though the matter was in court. He was ruling Bihar then. They even mock Ambanis also. Mocking MMS is a routine . People take it very lightly.

Added later: Perhaps Paresh Raval was targeted because he is working on a movie on NM.

Paresh Raval has been an open supporter of Narendra Modi ji.

And is this article by you Kapil saar

Infant-mortality-rate-down-by-33-in-Gujarat

GANDHINAGAR: There's good news for Gujarat on the Human Development Index (HDI) front as the state's Infant Mortality Rate (IMR) has declined significantly. It has fallen to 38 in 2012 from 57 in 2003 - a drop of 33.3% - better than the 30% decline at the national level. IMR is defined as deaths of infants below one year of age per 1,000 live births.

Though Gujarat has shown good results in the last decade, states like Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Andhra Pradesh have performed better. Bihar reduced its IMR from 62 to 43, Uttar Pradesh brought it down from 82 to 53, Madhya Pradesh from 86 to 56, Rajasthan from 79 to 49 and Andhra Pradesh from 66 to 41, during this period.

The decline in IMR in Gujarat in the last three years (2009 to 2012) is substantial. The reduction in 2009-10 was four and three units in each of the next two years, according to the Sample Registration System (SRS) adopted by the Union government.

Gujarat's annual IMR decline for the last three years, at 7.5%, is among the highest in the country. The target set by the Centre was 7%, to achieve the Millennium Development Goal.

Gujarat faces the challenge of continuing this good performance and achieve an IMR of 29 by 2015.

The Narendra Modi-led state government is often criticized for its poor performance on social and health indicators like IMR, Maternal Mortality Rate (MMR) and anaemia prevalence rate despite its tall claims of economic growth.

The state is projected to achieve major improvements on these indicators in the next five years will still not be able make the top five, as projected by the Planning Commission in 12th Five Year Plan.

Gujarat's present IMR, MMR and anaemia levels are 38, 148 and 55.3 respectively, and is projected to go down to 24, 67 and 28 respectively, by the end of the 12th Five Year Plan.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 27 Oct 2013 02:33

Sushupti wrote:

madhu aunty got her dharma-education wrong...

1. Ashwamedha is a "Yagna" and not a "sacrifice".
2. Ashwamedha's horse does not "conquer" territories. It is the army following the horse headed by the king who has sworn "Digvijaya", leads conquers the territories.

3. Digvijaya will only start in 2014.. It has long and very hard way ahead. They do not give the "bali" of Ashwamedha horse in the beginning, but only in the end of digvijaya.
4. It is privilege to be a horse from Ashwamedha - for the real yajmanas of this great yagna is Bhaaratmata and Mahadev Himself. I would gladly die a thousand deaths as a ashwamedha horse, if Mahadev were my yajmaana. And so will NaMo. But NOT UNTIL THE DIGVIJAYA IS COMPLETE. MAHADEV HAS ORDERED THIS HORSE TO STAY ALIVE AND KEEP GOING ON, UNTIL CONQUEST IS COMPLETE.

5. 200 seats is the "most probable" outcome of this phase. NaMo has grip on public pulse. It is important for RSS to manipulate and time this wave. Especially now that they are not taking the crutches of a material issue (like RJB), an abstract motivator requires a greater and subtler degree on control over people.

6. So fear not and Vande Mataram and Har Har Mahadev onlee.. know that the dashaprahar-dharini durga in this stotra is nothing else but bharat mata. Be the squirrels helping Prabhu Rama to build his bridge in their capacity.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 27 Oct 2013 02:55

Despite the Modinama series..i still get the impression that Madhu is somewhat a Jholawala kinds.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 27 Oct 2013 03:02

kapilrdave wrote:
Lucknow: All India Muslim Personal Law Board deputy chief Maulana Kalbe Sadiq on Friday said Bharatiya Janata Party Prime Ministerial candidate Narendra Modi is not a political untouchable for the minority community.

Underlining that doors are not closed for talking to Modi, a newspaper report quoted Maulana Sadiq as saying that the Gujarat Chief Minister can garner votes if he shows that he cares for Muslims.
This is very significant.

Now I see why dienasty wants to bring the communal violence bill. They are seeing their 'vote bank' crumbling and are desperately in the damage control mode.

Sadeq is shia. The good side is that in a way NM could also be polarizing the intra-Muslim contests. The Shias will not come out to join him in a significant way - because ultimately - NM represents, perhaps not entirely accurately, the supposed interests of the "Hindu". Both the shias and the sunnis agree on subjugation of the non-Muslim. But the shias are using the threat of standing beside NM in their intra-Islam bargaining game over Bharat.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 27 Oct 2013 03:18

brihaspati wrote: Sadeq is shia. The good side is that in a way NM could also be polarizing the intra-Muslim contests. The Shias will not come out to join him in a significant way - because ultimately - NM represents, perhaps not entirely accurately, the supposed interests of the "Hindu". Both the shias and the sunnis agree on subjugation of the non-Muslim. But the shias are using the threat of standing beside NM in their intra-Islam bargaining game over Bharat.

While it is true that NaMo can expect no major Muslim vote, if the intra-Muslim fights end up dividing the Muslim vote in vital regions like UP, Bihar, Bengal and Assam, it will have been worth its while. In fact, anything that breaks the Muslim vote bank is good. NaMo should have no hesitation exploiting any divide in the Islamic camp for our own advantage. After all, the Brits did manage to divide the Muslims as well, and use their internecine warfare to their own advantage. No reason why NaMo cannot play the same game.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 27 Oct 2013 03:33

SwamyG wrote:We are all elites and hypocrites. Only the degree varies.

Bhai saab, speak for yourself (unless your quantification includes vanishingly small degree

). Koi log to ho sakte hain non-elite, non-hypocritical out of the 7 billion people in this world.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Oct 2013 04:48

sad to note that madhu kishwar is a fellow with little shallow knowledge on itihas, that too being a dir at religious and cultural studies for indic civilization.

just slam her back on twitter!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 05:32

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 27 Oct 2013 05:45

SaiK wrote:sad to note that madhu kishwar is a fellow with little shallow knowledge on itihas, that too being a dir at religious and cultural studies for indic civilization.

just slam her back on twitter!

SaiKji

Madhuji's outlookindia article about PAIDMEDIA and their 24x7 Civic society plan to bash Modi opened up my eyes.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?283393
The Kettle Hits Back

I made at least 50 people read this. It opened up eyes of at least 20+ people who and whose families have become NaMo fan club. My sister in B'lore who never voted for BJP is driving voter registration. Her goal 1000 voters sympathetic to Modi.

Madhu is little anxious and jumps the gun but I believe she is a NaMo convert.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 27 Oct 2013 06:26

Congress has given ticket from Ajit Jogi's seat Marwahi in Chhattisgarh to his son Amit Jogi. Amit Jogi became an Indian citizen in July 2004. But he gave the IAS exam before 2003 under ST category despite being a US citizen. He also overstayed in India, his Indian visa expired on 31 October 2003 but he stayed in India much longer with US passport. http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... -amit-jogi And besides as is well known, he is prime accused in Ramavtar Jaggi murder case, where the CBI (Cong bureau of Investigation) itself said that AMIT Jogi was the conspirator- though he was acquitted by the trial court, the case is pending in the Higher court. Wow Rahul Gandhi! Talk of clean politics, talk of morality, Sonia Gandhi claiming that Ajit Jogi betrayed her by trying to split BJP and form government after losing polls, and give ticket to a man who gave IAS exam despite being a US citizen, and illegally stayed in India without a valid visa!

I Support Narendra Modi - FB page

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Oct 2013 06:47

vivek.rao, she is sending mixed messages in the tweet that atri replies here.

forget about ashwamedh, what sacrifice is she talking?.. who is playing the game to use the horse named modi?

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 27 Oct 2013 06:52

by SwaymyG
Contrast this with Rahul Gandhi, when questioned by a student - Rahul replied by cornering the poor student to answer his own question. That student handled the situation remarkably well, and I am sure he is going to ace his interviews.

That's the travesty!! Students all over India had to go through so grueling examinations (academics only) that they once out (or even when they are in a good college) are already much better leaders when compared with the Indian "SHAHZADAs" like (Pilot, Sharma, Gandhi and rest).

The best Leader is a Captain of an army that leads a group of 4-60 people into battle. HOW does he/she do it? How he/she prepares his followers? How they win against all odds!! ask NDA and officers training.

Thus the best leader of a country will be such a person who is more fearless than a captain who walks straight into the enemy bullets head on and only caring about his/her country.

The problem is that due to vote bank politics and dynastic rulers (who have used democracy for their favor and forgetting that people are voting them so that they want to be economically better) have abused the common student, engineer, soldier, accountant, programmer, doctor, laborer, farmer and rest every and each time to get their votes. That's the issue!!!

I will counter argue that STUDENT who asked RG the question is much better candidate to become PM than RG himself!!

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 27 Oct 2013 07:28

RoyG wrote: It just takes one jihadi with a vest or firearm.

you post this line of thinking many times. it appears you want this to happen, just so you can say "i told you so".

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 Oct 2013 07:35

So whole of bihar is sleeping with #NaMomania.. Its a #HunkaarRally effect

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 Oct 2013 07:43

Gus wrote:
RoyG wrote: It just takes one jihadi with a vest or firearm.
you post this line of thinking many times. it appears you want this to happen, just so you can say "i told you so".

i wouldn't be surprised if it happened. 2002 pogrom has alienated muslims in the country. Rahul Jai ho!

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 27 Oct 2013 08:07

vivek.rao: After going thru your web site, you have thought about every issue and suggested so many solutions. That means a lot for me. If every one (including me) in India spends 5% of time you spent on one issue facing our society and become experts in it, our society would be a great place. So I have all the respect for you in the world. I don't agree with all your solutions 100% but that is fine.

Thanks

vivek.rao : I have problem with your priorities and what Modi should address or say right now. I also think you have simplistic view that it is all some foreign agencies or MNCs but in my view, it is more complicated than that. India is controlled by vested interests or Socialistic MAFIA that is mostly self grown. They have taken over the place of British, took over every institution and use the enormous power to bend every thing to their whim. They will say any lie, will ally with any entity foreign or domestic including Islamic terrorists.

Most Hindus don't even bother. They are busy with their lives, don't care or too busy watching movies/playing cards or whatever the heck they are doing. They will vote based on their caste or some vested interest or vote because their forefathers voted or BJP is too communal.

I have NO suggestions for NaMo on what his priorities should be. I have never voted for BJP\NaMo and most likely wont vote for NaMo\BJP in may-2014. And so I have no business in making demands or suggestions before BJP\NaMo. I ordered my MP via SMS in feb-2013 to make NaMo PM, because he is "least unfit" or "best fit" of all apex leaders. And I will most likely resend same order to my MP via SMS again in may-2014. Here too, he would be doing me a favor by becoming PM. I would be doing favor only to myself and not NaMo. After all, I need a "good PM" or "less bad PM" more for my survival than he needs PMship for his survival.

But dumping of Tridevalaya issue proves many things more important than Tridevalaya. As back in early 2000s I was having feeling that BJP leaders are now planning to dump Tridevalaya issue. In early 2000 itself, BJP leaders had stopped asking volunteers to make and distribute pamphlets in colleges on Tridevalaya issue, something they did vigorously in late 1980s and early 1990s. This was a good indicator to me , but most disagreed with me. As always, I was told that "I am concluding too much for petty events and petty non-events". Then came LKA praising Jinhah and then came NaMo's attending YMCA meet in may-2013. And when Sb4D statement came, and later Amit Shah's statement that "we will focus on dvelopment and not temple" came, I could understand more clearly why pamphlet distribution on Tridevalaya issue had stopped as early as year 1999. Basically, the BJP leaders had cut a deal (with who?) that they would NOT promote Tridevalaya issue, for whatever they got in return.

Now all this "Hindus do not want RJB and other two devalaya" seems too far fetched to me. If so, then how come Muslims want these 3 mosques so dearly, which have no special value? How much Hindus want RJB? Well, since 1992 till recently, every year, 100s of Gujaraties from Ahmedabad have been going to RJB for parikrama. In fact, when 60 Hindus got torched in Godhara on 27-feb-2002 , they were coming back from Ayodhya , and the train had some 2000+ Hindus, and there were many more on some other trains. Each Hindu had taken 7-10 off from his work and business to go to Ayodhya and come back. And they didnt get boarding in any five star hotel there either. Most there slept on train station or footpaths or local dharamshala. They hadnt gone there for a picnic. They went because they all want RJB, and also KJB and KV. So the Tridevalaya issue did have a huge appeal in voters. No one knows how much appeal it has today, because in past 14 years, BJP leaders have done nothing to promote this issue while MNC-owners via paid-media have done a lot to malign this issue.

Despite the appeal, the adversaries have managed to convince/force BJP leaders dump Tridevelaya issue for now (and re-take if and now when USA plans to attack Iran). This shows how powerful adversary is. The adversary has convinced BJP leaders that he can cause more damage to BJP leaders than gains BJP leaders can get from Tridevalaya issue. So who convinced/forced BJP leaders to give up the Tridevalaya issue? Did Hindus came and said that "no let the mosques stay, we dont want Tridevalaya?" . Did local "socialist mafia", as you label them, force BJP leaders? NO. The so called socialist mafia do not have such strength anymore. They are all on ventilators. They are surviving on FDI only. In fact, the local mafia accepted defeat in 1991, and most of them agreed to become foreign agents in 1991 itself. The local mafia is intact at street level. But they have no say inside supreme court, PMO and Parliament anymore.

So what I want all to note that how powerful American elitemen are now in India, that they could force BJP leaders to dump Tridevalaya issue for now.

And these American elitemen, may also later manage to force BJP leaders to give up left-over of nationalism and hindutva\moditva inside BJP. So Tridevayala issue is a forewarning of what is coming next.

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SwamyG : All this talk of 'Sb4d' is so catchy and trendy, but either is mischievous distraction or plain misunderstanding of what people in this country want. Government should not get into temple-building exercise, but should focus on getting clean toilets for the people. The anger portrayed in such coined up words is either mock anger or empty words like Rahul Gandhi. Oh it is a free country, and a free forum. And honestly, it is quite trollish - because it is not really placing arguments for one idea or the other. But repeated messaging of how Modi is not good enough.

Well, you have gone a step ahead by using lowercase "d". And no one knows what 80 crore voters want. And for BJP leaders, what people want now matters less than what sponsors want and what media-owners want. And let me re-say 50th times -- that we Tridevalayavaadies never asked Govt to build temples and your making "govt shouldnt build temples" is unrelated statement. We Tridevalayavaadies have only asked that Govt should acquire and handover the 3 plots, which can be done by Govt only. No one ever asked Govt to pay money to build temple. And I would re-say again that , there is NO after-before relations. Industrialization in India has been slow compared to many parts of world because judges , under the commands of USUK-elitemen, threw stay orders after stay orders. Slow industrialization has nothing to do with Devalayas . In in this thread, I am confining to one post a day. Even that looks trollish to you? So looks like my posts are causing too much takleeeeeef to you.

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http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/do ... 85851.html

Lucknow: All India Muslim Personal Law Board deputy chief Maulana Kalbe Sadiq on Friday said Bharatiya Janata Party Prime Ministerial candidate Narendra Modi is not a political untouchable for the minority community. Underlining that doors are not closed for talking to Modi, a newspaper report quoted Maulana Sadiq as saying that the Gujarat Chief Minister can garner votes if he shows that he cares for Muslims.

Basically, Muslim leaders are showing carrots of votes to BJP leaders, because BJP leaders dumped Tridevalaya issue, and also maligned the issue.

And BRFites zor se bolo "Sauchalaya before Devalaya" Dilli tak sunayi deni chahiye.

No need to waste your voice. The paid-media has taken the Sb4D statement not just to delhi but across India in a way that now Sb4D statement is considered as passe, and something so holy that it should not even be discussed.

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NaMo's speeches are at his own website at http://www.narendramodi.in/category/speeches/ . Pls save this link. The speeches made in oct-2013 are yet to come. Pls do read these speeches. The talk made in one hour of speech can be read in 10 minutes if it is in written form. So it will save time. And speeches are easy to quote, email, store and it will be also easy for us all to search and retrieve the speech text in oct-2014 some 100 days after NaMo's swearing in as PM.

Let me know if anyone gets any hint of what laws NaMo would print after he becomes PM in may-2014. Because I didnt see any reference to any law-draft etc. It looks to me that most of you after watching video have convinced yourself that NaMo will print exactly the laws you want and those laws will bring the changes you want and will not bring side effects that you do not want. If you all had focused on text only and not on video, things could have been different. Since ages, I have stopped watching news on TV , and never saw leaders' videos and I only read text. That could be one reason why I am not seeing\believing what you guys see\believe , and may be vice-versa.

I read speeches several times. I was trying to see if there is any commitment being made in the speech. Some 80 crore voters will get chance to vote in may-2014, of which over 75% i.e. over 60 crore voters will vote. NaMo would get over 20 crore votes, which will make him PM. I was trying to find any line in speech that would be giving a concrete commitment for those 20 crore voters. The only commitment I see is that "if 20 crore or more voters vote for NaMo, then Congress rule would end", which is a tautology. Other than that, I could not see any promise or any commitment. Pls let me know if you see any commitment in speech.text.

From all I see, in may-2014, NaMo will simply open all gates for MNC-owners and Missionaries. The MNC-owners and Missionaries will make sure that their slave-judges dont throw any stay orders. And so there will be rapid industrialization as well as large scale spread of services like health, education etc all within just a few years. That will raise prosperity etc. The aftermath will be SoKo-2 or worse Philippines-2 . Lets see what comes in may-2014.

(Dear Forum-Rakshaks aka admins : lately, I am posting ONLY one post in this thread per day . So all complain-kings who are complaining against my posts are wrong. Pls disregard their complaints)

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 08:16

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 08:17

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 08:18

India needs Narendra Modi's iron fist for delivery and deliverance from UPA II

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 762871.cms

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 08:22

Top 10 Groups That Fear NaMo The Most

Congress Party:

No single political group has more to fear than this one. NaMo doesn’t appear to be stupid. I imagine he would have learned lessons from the Janata govt of 1977 who botched up the prosecution of IndiraG for the crimes of Emergency. He is also not going to be an appeaser like AB Vajpayee of the NDA and overlook crimes. However, it is unlikely he will hound any of the Congress “family” members and relatives and gently allow law to prevail. The disadvantage for Congress if NaMo becomes PM is that he never talks about fallen opponents. Thus, they may not generate any sympathy for themselves like IndiraG did. The fallen ones will have to do it for themselves. In particular, the life of the Gandhis which has been like “there is no law for us, we do what we want” may come to an end. I can’t predict what the extended family of Vadra will do but they have much to fear too. Sonia Gandhi will be spared but I don’t see any luck for RahulG. The added problem for Congress is that they don’t have any other leader worth the name. Not at the Centre, not at the State. Regional parties will score at their expense.

Maoists:

These criminals and their “useful idiots” face a grave threat if NaMo becomes PM. My estimate is most of the groups will be wiped out. It is essential. Under NaMo the govt may not pussy-foot on action against them. At best, there may be one last option for dialogue and that’s all. NaMo will perhaps not hesitate to use the full force of the Army all the might of the State to end this nuisance. Of course, the Maoist sympathisers will run all over crying “human rights” but it’s not going to deter NaMo. It has never been the case that the State doesn’t know who these groups are, where they operate, who their leaders are and how they get their weapons. The IB officers will certainly not be talking to some Pappu types in changed circumstances. The Maoists have survived only because of foreign funding, supply of weapons and exceptional sympathy of the Commies within India. Most of this menace will end.

http://www.mediacrooks.com/2013/10/top- ... UI.twitter

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Oct 2013 08:22

sounds like rahul mehta is making his own rank - one rank - one post!

who is stopping you mr mehta to post more?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Oct 2013 08:28

Sushupti wrote:India needs Narendra Modi's iron fist for delivery and deliverance from UPA II

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 762871.cms

darn! this article is written very good! excellente!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 08:42

Video Link for Hunkar rally
http://www.in.com/videos/watchvideo-etv-99449951.html

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Oct 2013 09:01

In Biblical speak Modi against the INC machine is a David vs Goliath.
However Psec Media is portraying it in reverse.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 09:07

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Oct 2013 09:15

^the guy in the middle looks a little bit like dhoni

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 27 Oct 2013 09:25

Sushupti wrote:<img scissored>

Sushupti ji, while I am not a fan of Mr. Hash Mander or AAP worthies, Ms. Aruna Roy had stood on the side of Indian citizenry by spearheading Right (not withstanding her left leaning stance

) To Information (RTI) Act.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 27 Oct 2013 09:31

It was bjp government which brought this law later renamed by mafia. The idea was also held to be part of freedom of expression by Supreme Court long back. Jholawala gang did nothing here

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 09:37

Congress fascists getting tickled by terminology

This is not the usual verbal flatulence emitted with monotonous regularity by clerical functionaries of the Nehruvian Stalinist party establishment.

The threat should be noted by those in charge of Narendra bhai Modi's security. Anything is possible under the iron curtain imposed by the totalitarian fascist dictatorship of the Dynasty. In their overzealous endeavour to exhibit loyalty to the dynasty's crown prince - party functionaries are inciting a violent pogrom by the party "workers" and "youth brigade".

It is not as if Modi was heaping indignity or verbal abuse at Raoul. But, there is no place for humour under a totalitarian dictatorship - the Nehruvian Stalinists will not appreciate or tolerate Narendra bhai's mild humour in using the term "Shahzada", Persian for "prince". And, the irony of their rage at the slightest criticism of their IDOL is lost on indoctrinated genocidal thugs.

These are the same fascist Congress goondas who massacred 10,000 Sikhs across northern India, including 5000 in Delhi alone in the 1984 genocide.

They are the same Stalinist butchers who massacred and raped members of the Deshastha Brahmin community in Maharashta - Nathuram Godse's community - after Gandhi's assassination.

Their threats are serious and should be taken with all seriousness.

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.in/2013/10/c ... y.html?m=1

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 27 Oct 2013 09:41

Posting following quote from Wikipedia entry on Aruna Roy. Should be contested if wrong and credit given to right party(ies). Chase down the reference (1) and see if that is correct.

Aruna Roy

Wikipedia wrote:Aruna Roy (born 26 June 1946) is an Indian political and social activist who founded and heads the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti Sangathana ("Workers and Peasants Strength Union"). She is best known as a prominent leader of the Right to Information movement through National Campaign for People’s Right to Information, which led to the enactment of the Right to Information Act in 2005.[1] She has also remained a member of the National Advisory Council.[2]

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 27 Oct 2013 09:47

Narayana Rao wrote:It was bjp government which brought this law later renamed by mafia. The idea was also held to be part of freedom of expression by Supreme Court long back. Jholawala gang did nothing here

Narayana Rao: I've been hearing this line of thinking the last couple of days. Do we have enough evidence of a solid, prior effort on the part of BJP/NDA for an RTI type act. If so, we should present it. Otherwise, the claim will sound hollow

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 27 Oct 2013 09:48

SaiK wrote:^the guy in the middle looks a little bit like dhoni

Won't be a surprise. Being a Winner he would know how to spot another.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 09:50

matrimc wrote:Posting following quote from Wikipedia entry on Aruna Roy. Should be contested if wrong and credit given to right party(ies). Chase down the reference (1) and see if that is correct.

Aruna Roy

Wikipedia wrote:Aruna Roy (born 26 June 1946) is an Indian political and social activist who founded and heads the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti Sangathana ("Workers and Peasants Strength Union"). She is best known as a prominent leader of the Right to Information movement through National Campaign for People’s Right to Information, which led to the enactment of the Right to Information Act in 2005.[1] She has also remained a member of the National Advisory Council.[2]

Freedom of Information Act 2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_I ... n_Act_2002

and they renamed it to RTI with little bit of change here and there. Being member of NAC should raise alarm bells.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 27 Oct 2013 09:53

Rahul Mehta wrote: From all I see, in may-2014, NaMo will simply open all gates for MNC-owners and Missionaries. The MNC-owners and Missionaries will make sure that their slave-judges dont throw any stay orders. And so there will be rapid industrialization as well as large scale spread of services like health, education etc all within just a few years. That will raise prosperity etc. The aftermath will be SoKo-2 or worse Philippines-2 . Lets see what comes in may-2014.

RM-ji,
Let me posit a counter theory before you. We survived 200 years of British and 60 years of Congress without a great deal of conversions. I hope that you will agree that the missionaries have had no limits on their power thus far. NaMo is unlikely to be any worse than the Congress. If just a few years more years of missionaries are sufficient to destroy Hindu civilisation, then it is doomed anyway. No civilisation that cannot stand on its own legs against the world will survive.

Hindu civilisation has been standing firm for thousands of years, against hundreds of invaders of all stamps. And you have the effrontery to pretend that 10 years of NaMo will simply destroy this vast civilisation, as if it is a house of cards. How do you propose NaMo and missionaries will convert Hindus to Christians? Will they bring back the inquisition? Well - let me remind you, we survived even that without any great effect. Will they re-institute the policies of Aurangzeb? I have news for you - the Congress has already done that and we have survived without any great damage. Will they emulate Timur-i-Lang and demand that Hindus convert or die? Do they have enough bullets to kill a billion of us?

RM-ji, you insult the intelligence and the integrity of the average Hindu with your claims. They will no more succumb to the wiles or bribes of any missionaries or MNCs of today, than they did to that of their predecessors who ruled us until 70 years ago. They will not change their religion for NaMo or for anyone else.

If you have no faith in the Hindus, and if you believe that all that is needed for them to give up their way of life is for the MNCs and their missionaries to appear, then perhaps you should specify your reasons why you harbour such a poor opinion of the Hindus.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 27 Oct 2013 09:55

SagarAg wrote: And is this article by you Kapil saar
Infant-mortality-rate-down-by-33-in-Gujarat

hehe. am a small man saar.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 Oct 2013 09:59

Prem Kumar wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:It was bjp government which brought this law later renamed by mafia. The idea was also held to be part of freedom of expression by Supreme Court long back. Jholawala gang did nothing here
Narayana Rao: I've been hearing this line of thinking the last couple of days. Do we have enough evidence of a solid, prior effort on the part of BJP/NDA for an RTI type act. If so, we should present it. Otherwise, the claim will sound hollow

freedom of information act 2002

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 09:59

The mystery called Manmohan Singh
Oct 27, 2013, 05.49AM IST [ Vinod Mehta ]

An instance of Manmohan the Loyalist visited us when the obnoxious Ordinance was sought to be pushed ostensibly with his backing. Post Rahul Gandhi's "nonsense" , Manmohan's mates put it about that their man would either cut short his foreign visit, or alternately rush to 10, Janpath, resignation letter in hand, as soon as his plane touched terra firma. He did neither. After seeking some routine clarifications and consulting with his cabinet, he made peace with the "nonsense" man going to the extent of declaring he would be happy to work under him in any future government. Today, I am afraid, he cuts a pathetic figure: a man who has lost his backbone.

The backbone was not always lost. When it suits him, like during the Indo-US nuclear deal, it surfaced with a vengeance. Since then it has been on holiday. The great HL Mencken once said, "In order to get anywhere near high office, a politician has to make so many compromises that he becomes indistinguishable from a streetwalker."

http://m.timesofindia.com/home/stoi/all ... 771759.cms

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 10:03

Bomb blast at Patna Railway station.

member_23658 · Post by **member_23658** » 27 Oct 2013 10:04

bomb blast on patna station, on platform 10 near/in the public toilet. intensity not known yet