Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 Oct 2013 10:05

low intensity?

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 27 Oct 2013 10:06

Rahul Mehta wrote: From all I see, in may-2014, NaMo will simply open all gates for MNC-owners and Missionaries. The MNC-owners and Missionaries will make sure that their slave-judges dont throw any stay orders. And so there will be rapid industrialization as well as large scale spread of services like health, education etc all within just a few years. That will raise prosperity etc. The aftermath will be SoKo-2 or worse Philippines-2 . Lets see what comes in may-2014.

RM ji,

1) Suggest you look for commitments from the BJP as a party rather than from Modi only. In any case, the Manifesto as you might be knowing is the place to look for commitments from a party prior to election - and it is in the process of being prepared. One commitment that is already public that you can google - is that BJP would expand the scope of the Anti-Conversion Law to make it all-India. This is in connection with your point about missionaries.

2) As regards MNC-owners. I have respect for your abilities in logic - but your knowledge of economics does not seem high. Opening up of trade (in other words globalization) is very important for India to both (i) maximize growth rate and (ii) start taking a leadership role in global comity of nations. Globalization involves both MNC-owners coming into India and Indian MNCs spreading wings globally. It is Congress that has always emphasized the first part over the last decade whenever it talked of globalization, and it is Modi who has been the first leader to stress equally on the second part (which is my area of interest as well). Ultimately - things need to be monitored to ensure that the second part takes precedence over the first - which is an executive balancing act that we are yet to see. But Modi is the ONLY leader so far who has even talked about the need for Indian products and services to dominate globally.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 Oct 2013 10:10

Amol.D wrote:bomb blast on patna station, on platform 10 near/in the public toilet. intensity not known yet

public toilet? Nothing on any of the news sites.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 27 Oct 2013 10:12

Sushupti wrote: They are the same Stalinist butchers who massacred and raped members of the Deshastha Brahmin community in Maharashta - Nathuram Godse's community - after Ghandy's assassination.

Their threats are serious and should be taken with all seriousness.

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.in/2013/10/c ... y.html?m=1

Why u have to bring up "brahmin" community? It should have been enough to leave at "Nathuram Godse's community? There is no place of birth based family system's in NAMO's agenda and we should stay away from the same and stay tuned to the motto of "changing the life of citizens of Bharat through su-raj"!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 27 Oct 2013 10:13

NaMo has wielded the word "Shehzada" brilliantly. He uses it to produce such subliminal contempt for Rahul Gandhi and Congress that basically he inoculates his audience to any further sympathy for the Congress.

NaMo has time and again used Ahankaar to refer to Congress. That is how he wants his audience to look at Congress - as arrogant and entitled. It does not help when Rahul Gandhi calls Congress as the default operating system of India. Any effort by Rahul Gandhi to don the clothes of Robin Hood or benevolent ruler trying to feed his subjects falls flat. Food Security Bill would have zero effect.

Earlier NaMo had used "Golden Spoon" to refer to Rahul Gandhi. It is fine to use every now and then, but "Shehzada" is devastating. If Congress thought that "Feku" was a "brilliant" invention by Amaresh Misra, then "Shehzada" punctures Congress's balloon completely. Congress too has been making noises about NaMo being some candidate of MNCs and Industrialists, but all that doesn't stick to a Chai Wala.

The thing "Crown Prince" has been long a title for Rahul Gandhi in the English media and Congress never objected, perhaps because they really thought that power was for them for the taking. And now this regal arrogance has come back to bite them.

"Delhi Sultanat" and "Shehzada" are coinages one would see NaMo use more and more. Congress has already admitted that they are getting irked by the use of such terms. But how can they claim that "Shehzada" is anything but "respectful"

Basically NaMo is hammering Rahul from both sides - from the front by using "Shehzada" and from the back by using "Pappu"!

member_23658 · Post by **member_23658** » 27 Oct 2013 10:13

RoyG wrote:
Amol.D wrote:bomb blast on patna station, on platform 10 near/in the public toilet. intensity not known yet
public toilet? Nothing on any of the news sites.

was on etv just now. they talked a bit about it and then shifted to another program. so doesnt seem to be serious.
ok update from etv banner: 3 injured. so seems an attempt to cancel the rally

disha · Post by **disha** » 27 Oct 2013 10:14

Patna rly bomb blast -From Twitter -No major damage - all round panic.

niran · Post by **niran** » 27 Oct 2013 10:19

Tis ten and half am in Patna and already Gandhi maidan is full
after allowing around few thousand in the media zone the khet(farm field) around the maidan is getting activated once again the organization team had good sense to prepare for extra space
NaMo will arrive around 12:15 should start his address around 14:00 hours Patna time.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 10:19

Two more bombs found.

http://www.in.com/videos/watchvideo-etv-99449951.html

Person was injured while trying to wrap it around his waist. Guy is dead.

niran · Post by **niran** » 27 Oct 2013 10:23

Patna junction has had a blast in a sauchalaya on platform no 10
one injured evacuated and getting treatment
two more found

archan · Post by **archan** » 27 Oct 2013 10:23

nagesh, please re read your post on divide and rule, the message, the tone. Is this what you want to convey?

niran · Post by **niran** » 27 Oct 2013 10:26

One of the bomb is too big and complicated special bomb squad is awaited for the defusing

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 27 Oct 2013 10:30

from twitter...

>>SRI RAM Channel ‏@SRIRAMChannel 1m
Train Filled with @narendramodi Supporters Attacked in Bihar, Many Injured

>>@nanditathhakur 1m
@ETVBIHARJHARKHA covering #HunkaarRally rally since morning

>>Yashasvi ‏@rsyashasvi 6m
People are camping in Gandhi Maidan,Patna since last night,by 7:30 AM it already was half full where Modi will address at 2PM. #HunkaarRally

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 10:30

member_23658 · Post by **member_23658** » 27 Oct 2013 10:31

"Desi" bum apparently says ETV. Why was the guy trying it to his waist ? planning to sooside later in the rally or something? that would be really disasterous

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 27 Oct 2013 10:33

What is with misspelling Gandhi ji's name? Please take a deep breath hold it for sometime and exhale - then go back and correct the misspelling.

Bomb blasts, if can be linked to INC top brass, is a dumb move and shows INC desperation.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 27 Oct 2013 10:39

Rahul Mehta wrote: Well, you have gone a step ahead by using lowercase "d". And no one knows what 80 crore voters want. And for BJP leaders, what people want now matters less than what sponsors want and what media-owners want. And let me re-say 50th times -- that we Tridevalayavaadies never asked Govt to build temples and your making "govt shouldnt build temples" is unrelated statement. We Tridevalayavaadies have only asked that Govt should acquire and handover the 3 plots, which can be done by Govt only. No one ever asked Govt to pay money to build temple. And I would re-say again that , there is NO after-before relations. Industrialization in India has been slow compared to many parts of world because judges , under the commands of USUK-elitemen, threw stay orders after stay orders. Slow industrialization has nothing to do with Devalayas . In in this thread, I am confining to one post a day. Even that looks trollish to you? So looks like my posts are causing too much takleeeeeef to you.

It is indeed takleef. But don't worry Saar, I am learning to ignore your posts. You are more worried about using a lower case d, yes temple to me is less important than access to toilets for people. Hindus are strong enough to take care of their temples and can build temples better and holier than any one else.

Tridevalayavaadies?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 27 Oct 2013 10:45

archan wrote:nagesh, please re read your post on divide and rule, the message, the tone. Is this what you want to convey?

Archan-ji,
If you can point out the parts of my post that are objectionable, I will edit them out, or if you so prefer it, you can do it yourself. This continual posturing from RM-ji, that all that is needed for MNCs and missionaries (what many MNCs have to do with missionaries is beyond me, but regardless) to appear to convert India to South Korea is actually quite insulting. In fact, most BJP ruled states (not sure about Goa), including NaMo's Gujarat have already passed the anti-conversion bill.

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 27 Oct 2013 10:53

One person is injured. That is it. False roumors should be contained somehow. Please!!

The desperation is so evident with this incident. After seeing the magnitude and scale of Hunkaar rally, bomb has exploded in the pants of JD(U), CONgress and other sikulars. There is no stopping NaMo wave now!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 10:54

matrimc wrote:What is with misspelling Gandhi ji's name? Please take a deep breath hold it for sometime and exhale - then go back and correct the misspelling.

Bomb blasts, if can be linked to INC top brass, is a dumb move and shows INC desperation.

I posted that thing before the bomb blast report came in. Regarding misspelling Gandhi's name, it was cut and paste. I have already corrected it.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 27 Oct 2013 10:57

kapilrdave wrote:
Lucknow: All India Muslim Personal Law Board deputy chief Maulana Kalbe Sadiq on Friday said Bharatiya Janata Party Prime Ministerial candidate Narendra Modi is not a political untouchable for the minority community.

Underlining that doors are not closed for talking to Modi, a newspaper report quoted Maulana Sadiq as saying that the Gujarat Chief Minister can garner votes if he shows that he cares for Muslims.
This is very significant.

Now I see why dienasty wants to bring the communal violence bill. They are seeing their 'vote bank' crumbling and are desperately in the damage control mode.

brihaspati wrote:Sadeq is shia. The good side is that in a way NM could also be polarizing the intra-Muslim contests. The Shias will not come out to join him in a significant way - because ultimately - NM represents, perhaps not entirely accurately, the supposed interests of the "Hindu". Both the shias and the sunnis agree on subjugation of the non-Muslim. But the shias are using the threat of standing beside NM in their intra-Islam bargaining game over Bharat.

Anyway a part of Islam often attaches to any new movement if the movement promises not to be overtly anti-Muslim. It would dilute the Hindu agenda.

The way to counter this is for the media in NaMo Saka to heavily highlight the Sunni on Shia atrocities taking place from Syria to Pakistan - to run day long commentaries over every event. But internally NaMo should curtail any Sunni-Shia conflict which destabilizes India. The division should be at the level of perceived community interests and direction.

The Shia-Sunni rift is more than some media fabrication and it is playing out day in and day out in Syria, in Yemen, in Saudi Arabia, in Iraq, in Afghanistan and in Pakistan. There is no need to paper over it in India. Satyamev Jayate! Let the truth be known, with some Masala and Floodlights.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 27 Oct 2013 11:02

Seriously this is mind boggling http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-dn ... ly-1909359 . A honest question : Is this how other political rallies are organized? The organizational skills and machinery employed are amazing. Why is it being labelled 100 crore rally?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 11:03

SagarAg wrote:One person is injured. That is it. False roumors should be contained somehow. Please!!
The desperation is so evident with this incident. After seeing the magnitude and scale of Hunkaar rally, bomb has exploded in the pants of JD(U), CONgress and other sikulars. There is no stopping NaMo wave now!

Listen to ETV link. One person is dead. Bombs had timers. IB is involved in interrogating two other people. RDX sniffing dog has been brought in.NIA has been contacted.First incident after Bodhgaya where timer has been used.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 11:12

niran · Post by **niran** » 27 Oct 2013 11:13

Bomb blast inside the maidan

niran · Post by **niran** » 27 Oct 2013 11:15

Phew! just some over enthusiasts liting up a pataka
all iz well.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 11:15

Blast in Gandhi maidan

ETV

niran · Post by **niran** » 27 Oct 2013 11:17

The patna rly blast was just sutali bomb not timer bomb
BTW RG is addressing a rally in mongolpuri nai dilli

member_23658 · Post by **member_23658** » 27 Oct 2013 11:18

niran wrote:Phew! just some over enthusiasts liting up a pataka
all iz well.

no ETV says its a proper blast

niran · Post by **niran** » 27 Oct 2013 11:20

This ETV is just hyperventilating me is monitoring seeseetv system it is color and with audio

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 11:21

niran wrote:The patna rly blast was just sutali bomb not timer bomb
BTW RG is addressing a rally in mongolpuri nai dilli

I am only quoting ETV. His reporter was speaking from the spot.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Oct 2013 11:22

one person injured means its not a diwali cracker for sure.

Patna: A crude bomb exploded at Patna railway station on Sunday. One person has been injured in the incident The injured has been taken to Patna medical hospital. Senior officials say that the situation has been brought under control. This comes ahead of BJP's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi's Hunkaar rally at Gandhi Maidan.

Read more at: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/crude-bomb-e ... ef_article

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 27 Oct 2013 11:25

India: Bihar Braces For Modi’s Hunkar Rally – OpEd
http://www.eurasiareview.com/27102013-i ... ally-oped/

Bhartiya Janata Party’s prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi appears all set to storm the bastion of political bete noire Nitish Kumar on Sunday with the party’s Hunkar Rally in Patna, state capital of Bihar. The Bihar chief minister, earlier, cancelled a dinner with the top BJP leaders in Patna expressing his reservations over NaMo, as he is known in the Indian media. Modi has always been persona non grata for Kumar in Bihar, apparently because of his lofty political ambitions and aspirations.

The Bihar chief minister, on 16 June, even severed his ties of 17 years with the BJP because of Modi and his government survived in Bihar with the support of Congress party. Ever since the split, BJP leaders have launched tirades against Kumar. What surprised everyone is the overnight turnaround of senior BJP leader and former Deputy chief minister Shushil Kumar Modi who before 16 June saw Nitish Kumar as a PM candidate. Bihar BJP leader Shushil Modi, known as SuMo, was such an admirer of Kumar that in Bihar he was often accused of putting the BJP’s interests second.

The Bihar unit of the BJP was divided along pro-Shushil Modi and anti-Shushil Modi lines until he recently put his weight entirely behind NaMo, surprising even Nitish Kumar.

Such has been the effect of Narendra Modi that the entire party unit, willingly or unwillingly, appears to be pulling out all the stops to make the rally a “historic” one. All the party’s 12 Lok Sabha members and 91 legislators from Bihar have fanned out in every nook and cranny of the state to muster support for the rally; some with innovate ideas and experiments to draw attention of their supreme leader. NaMo tea stalls were set up, NaMo jalebis (Indian sweets) were handed out, door-to-door campaigns set off and road shows and boat shows were organized to invite people to the rally.

At the Gandhi Maidan, venue of the Hunkar Rally, a huge tent measuring over 2.5 lakh sq feet is being erected, one lakh (100,000) wooden toothbrushes [daatuns] are to be distributed before serving puri-subzi to the rally goers; scores of LED screens, a hi-tech linear sound system and 12 cameramen are also part of the arrangements. Altogether 11 trains and over 3,000 bused have been booked to ferry people to and fro to the rally venue. Hundreds of banners, posters, hoardings and arch-gates have been put up as well as larger than life cutouts of BJP leaders. The state capital, Patna, has become completely covered with rally posters and banners throwing normal traffic out of gear. Public convenience in the capital has gone kaput for the rally.

The party has also distributed two CDs ‘NaMo Hunkar’ and ‘Modi banenge PM’ right up to village level to spread the message of the Hunkar Rally. Bhojpuri superstar Manoj Tiwari – who recently joined the BJP – has also been roped in to pull and entertain crowds at the rally.

Party leader Shushil Modi once again outdid other party leaders when he took his road-show to the streets in Patna on Thursday with a gang of bikers escorting him while chanting SuMo/NaMo’s name. SuMo said he was inviting people through his road-shows to attend the rally, but for the frightened common it brought back memories of the previous RJD regime when rogue bikers with party flags often rampaged through city roads. They wonder if this is a sign of things to come should the BJP come to power.

The party leaders claim that over five lakh (500,000) people will be attending the Hunkar Rally and it will be the biggest ever in Patna. The star speaker Narendra Modi will be reaching at the venue at 2pm and will leave the city by 3pm. His entourage will go to the rally site direct from the Patna airport amidst tight security measures. He will likely to attack Bihar chief minister Nitish Kumar for cancelling the dinner for them and raise other issues to strike a cord with the common people. Narendra Modi has made an impact with the urban middle class and youth in Bihar, but has not won the hearts of rural people in the caste-ridden society of Bihar. Although NaMo is widely seen as a strong leader, over-enthusiastic leaders like SuMo who could spoil the game by antagonizing common people through daunting road-shows .

Meanwhile, the Patna Municipal Corporation has started removing unauthorized banners, posters and hoardings, even though it is a bit late at this stage.

Nitish Kumar prefers not to be in town on Hunkar Rally day, he will be busy participating in his party’s two-day Chintan Shivir [meditation camp] at Rajgir on 27 -28 October, saying there is nothing special about it.

The Opposition party Rashtriya Janata Dal [RJD] led by incarcerated leader Lalu Prasad Yadav, though, has termed the Hunkar Rally as the Khunkhar Rally [ferocious rally] and the ruling party JD-U has dubbed it the Chitkar Rally [mourning rally]. Whatever you prefer to call it, NaMo’s presence in Bihar will herald some changes in the state’s political firmament. Whether it’s for good or bad, only time will tell.

Amarnath Tewary is the Bihar-based assistant editor of Indian national newspaper The Pioneer.

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 27 Oct 2013 11:26

Sushupti wrote:
niran wrote:The patna rly blast was just sutali bomb not timer bomb
BTW RG is addressing a rally in mongolpuri nai dilli
I am only quoting ETV. His reporter was speaking from the spot.

I just heard SSP interview, one injured. That is it!
One crude blast in station No.10. Other bomb diffused.
Do not believe more than this until press conf by some official.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 27 Oct 2013 11:30

Is the rally on? Is Modi going to be first and only speaker? Or do they have local leaders lined up for 2 hrs before Modi speaks?

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 27 Oct 2013 11:31

SwamyG wrote:Is the rally on? Is Modi going to be first and only speaker? Or do they have local leaders lined up for 2 hrs before Modi speaks?

http://www.narendramodi.in/liveevent/social/index.html
Live feed link. It has audio only link also. It has started. Narendra Modi expected to speak around 2:00 p.m.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 27 Oct 2013 11:33

Thanks. I am going to sleep then.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 27 Oct 2013 11:44

i think modi is personally involved to a large extent in this rally , we can expect the best from him , hope he doesn't disappoint , lets see what he has to say

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Oct 2013 11:59

Too much is being built up around one rally. Hope NaMo avoids such situations In the future.

May his plane be delayed and over that gale mein khich khich hojaaye so that this rally fizzles out (fingers crossed onlee)

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Oct 2013 12:02

Another blast in a cinema hall they say.

Edit:What's with these chote mote diwali bum patake - coming up intermittently to hog headlines .. ?