Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 13:41

JP and Modi neck to neck.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 13:42

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 27 Oct 2013 13:43

In one way it is good for Rahul Gandhi that media is not covering his rally. Chalo is baar to izzat bach gayi.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 27 Oct 2013 13:44

Sushupti wrote:

Nitish Kumar and his diabolical mind at work here.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 13:48

Just now he quoted Altaff Hali. Expect big Halla Gulla.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 27 Oct 2013 13:48

CNN-IBN now shown Sheila Dixit with KAran Traitor ...errr Thapar.

Something tells me that the onion issue has been a calculated move & is not accidental.
There are 3 harvests in a year and September/Oct has been traditionally low on stocks.
Sheila said that in MP, MAha. (Cong ruled states ) onions are rotting on the streets.
So it looks like someone has planned this as revenge for 1998.
Whats more...Diwali is just around the corner.
100 tonnes is being shifted into Delhi in the next days.

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 27 Oct 2013 13:52

The crowd is phenomenal and going crazy with NamoMania:D Modi Modi Modi Modi

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 27 Oct 2013 14:03

Looks like Namo wave is indeed starting to happen. Even after serial bomb blasts orchestrated by diabolical opponents, public in lakhs did not abandon the rally.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 27 Oct 2013 14:07

I also believe this rally gave an opportunity to Namo for proving his character. The true test of a leader's comes in times of crisis. After explosives started going off, I doubt if a lesser leader would have had the courage to still address the rally while maintaining his nerve. NaMo did not even flinch. I seriously doubt if SPG protected Rahul Gandhi would have shown the same kind of fortitude in a similar situation.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 27 Oct 2013 14:11

(rrr)NDTV showing Rowl's speech.... very entertaining, to put it mildly... no crowd shots at all. *none*, not once... says it all...

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 27 Oct 2013 14:18

Per ANI, 5 people dead! Sad news coming in, wonder why the probe has been given to NIA in such a swift manner

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 27 Oct 2013 14:22

NM surely changed and diluted his speech. There were too less jibes against anyone today. This was definately not the speech for first rally in Bihar attended by 10L+. He did this purposely. The situation is very fragile in Patna and there are just too many people there. They were already angry on Nitish for the blasts. Had he gave more agressive speech there could have been riots. Even still the danger is not over. Dynasty would not leave any single opportunity to hold NM responsible for this and stop doing him gigantic rallies. That is the reason he did not utter even a word in about the blasts in speech. He also deliberately urged hundu/muslims to come together to fight powerty. This was necessary given the mood of the croud (from what I saw in tv). I think his appreciation for the crowd's patience will come by tonight. And he will console the dead and injurd. The speech was the worst time to do it.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 27 Oct 2013 14:24

NM reaching out in a pretty plain and straightfwd fashion to both the yadavs and to muslims... the meaning should not be lost on anyone, I guess...

Playing the class card may be very useful to split the hitherto en masse muslim vote bloc... if the aljafs can be turned even if slightly to think for themselves rather than follow the asshrafs blindly, the potenvy of the muslim vote bloc takes a hit. And the aljafs do themselves a big favor (also the country, I must add).

Clear appeal to ppl to disperse peacefully by avoiding anyhint of a stampede and to not get provoked by delibrate anti-social elements shows remarkable foresight and concern.

P.S.
Seeing a wow ad on newsX jussnow of the Statue of unity... amazing ad. NM too features in his role as CM of Guj and makes a heartfelt appeal to donate iron for the task. Am sure must be youtube vids of this one. Awesome piece. Must watch for all jingo hearts folks...!!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Oct 2013 14:25

This will be buried swiftly. If congis fall files must be reopened to get justice for the dead atleast.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 27 Oct 2013 14:28

Modi cannot lead India effectively: NYT editorial board
by Newest, timesofindia.indiatimes.com
October 27th 2013
NEW YORK: Narendra Modi, BJP's prime ministerial candidate, cannot hope to lead India effectively if he inspires "fear" and "antipathy" among many of its people, New York Times has commented in an unusual move.

"Mr Modi has shown no ability to work with opposition parties or tolerate dissent," the editorial board of New York Times said in a stinging editorial on the 63-year-old BJP leader.

The editorial said that Modi has already "alienated" BJP's political partners when Janata Dal (United), an important regional party broke off its 17-year alliance with the "party because it found Mr Modi unacceptable."

India was a country with multiple religions and "Mr Modi cannot hope to lead it effectively if he inspires fear and antipathy among many of its people," it said while recalling that nearly 1,000 people died in the 2002 riots in Gujarat.

The editorial, published yesterday, also questioned Modi's economic track record in Gujarat.

The "economic record in Gujarat is not entirely admirable, either," it said.

"Muslims in Gujarat, for instance, are much more likely to be poor than Muslims in India as a whole, even though the state has a lower poverty rate than the country," the editorial said.

"His rise to power is deeply troubling to many Indians, especially the country's 138 million Muslims and its many other minorities," said the 19-member editorial board, headed by India-born Andrew Rosenthal, the editorial page editor of New York Times.

Narendra Modi’s Rise in India
by THE EDITORIAL BOARD, nytimes.com
October 26th 2013

In 2002, rioters in the western Indian state of Gujarat savagely killed nearly 1,000 people, most of whom were part of the Muslim minority. Now, barely a decade later, Narendra Modi, who was the chief minister of Gujarat at the time and still holds the office, is a leading candidate to become prime minister of India.

Mr. Modi, a star of India’s main opposition party, the Bharatiya Janata Party, would become prime minister if the party won enough seats in parliamentary elections next summer with support from its political allies. His rise to power is deeply troubling to many Indians, especially the country’s 138 million Muslims and its many other minorities. They worry he would exacerbate sectarian tensions that have subsided somewhat in the last decade.

Supporters of Mr. Modi argue that an investigation commissioned by India’s Supreme Court cleared him of wrongdoing in the riots. And they insist that Mr. Modi, who is widely admired by middle-class Indians for making Gujarat one of India’s fastest-growing states, can revive the economy, which has been weakened by a decade of mismanagement by the coalition government headed by the Indian National Congress Party.

There is no question that the Congress Party has failed to capitalize on the economic growth of recent years to invest in infrastructure, education and public institutions like the judiciary. And instead of trying to revive itself with new ideas and leaders, it is likely to be led in the coming election by Rahul Gandhi, the inexperienced scion of the Nehru-Gandhi family.

But Mr. Modi’s strident Hindu nationalism has fueled public outrage. When Reuters asked him earlier this year if he regretted the killings in 2002, he said, if “someone else is driving a car and we’re sitting behind, even then if a puppy comes under the wheel, will it be painful or not? Of course it is.” That incendiary response created a political uproar and demands for an apology.

Mr. Modi has shown no ability to work with opposition parties or tolerate dissent. And he has already alienated political partners; this summer, an important regional party broke off its 17-year alliance with the B.J.P. because it found Mr. Modi unacceptable.

His economic record in Gujarat is not entirely admirable, either. Muslims in Gujarat, for instance, are much more likely to be poor than Muslims in India as a whole, even though the state has a lower poverty rate than the country.

India is a country with multiple religions, more than a dozen major languages and numerous ethnic groups and tribes. Mr. Modi cannot hope to lead it effectively if he inspires fear and antipathy among many of its people.

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 27 Oct 2013 14:36

MoS Home was on TV within half an hour of the blasts commending full 'support' of central agencies to probe the blast. That too on a Sunday and when Shahzada is speaking in capital. All these files must be re-opened to trace the perpetrators. CON's dirty tricks department is in full swing. The country is at a very very critical juncture whichever way you look at it

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 27 Oct 2013 14:37

Here we go...

NM on twitter: Blasts in Patna are deeply saddening & unfortunate. Condolences with families of deceased & prayers with injured. I appeal for peace & calm.

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 27 Oct 2013 14:39

anmol wrote:
Modi cannot lead India effectively: NYT editorial board
by Newest, timesofindia.indiatimes.com
October 27th 2013
NEW YORK: Narendra Modi, BJP's prime ministerial candidate, cannot hope to lead India effectively if he inspires "fear" and "antipathy" among many of its people, New York Times has commented in an unusual move.

"Mr Modi has shown no ability to work with opposition parties or tolerate dissent," the editorial board of New York Times said in a stinging editorial on the 63-year-old BJP leader.

The editorial said that Modi has already "alienated" BJP's political partners when Janata Dal (United), an important regional party broke off its 17-year alliance with the "party because it found Mr Modi unacceptable."

India was a country with multiple religions and "Mr Modi cannot hope to lead it effectively if he inspires fear and antipathy among many of its people," it said while recalling that nearly 1,000 people died in the 2002 riots in Gujarat.

The editorial, published yesterday, also questioned Modi's economic track record in Gujarat.

The "economic record in Gujarat is not entirely admirable, either," it said.

"Muslims in Gujarat, for instance, are much more likely to be poor than Muslims in India as a whole, even though the state has a lower poverty rate than the country," the editorial said.

"His rise to power is deeply troubling to many Indians, especially the country's 138 million Muslims and its many other minorities," said the 19-member editorial board, headed by India-born Andrew Rosenthal, the editorial page editor of New York Times.

Narendra Modi’s Rise in India
by THE EDITORIAL BOARD, nytimes.com
October 26th 2013

In 2002, rioters in the western Indian state of Gujarat savagely killed nearly 1,000 people, most of whom were part of the Muslim minority. Now, barely a decade later, Narendra Modi, who was the chief minister of Gujarat at the time and still holds the office, is a leading candidate to become prime minister of India.

Mr. Modi, a star of India’s main opposition party, the Bharatiya Janata Party, would become prime minister if the party won enough seats in parliamentary elections next summer with support from its political allies. His rise to power is deeply troubling to many Indians, especially the country’s 138 million Muslims and its many other minorities. They worry he would exacerbate sectarian tensions that have subsided somewhat in the last decade.

Supporters of Mr. Modi argue that an investigation commissioned by India’s Supreme Court cleared him of wrongdoing in the riots. And they insist that Mr. Modi, who is widely admired by middle-class Indians for making Gujarat one of India’s fastest-growing states, can revive the economy, which has been weakened by a decade of mismanagement by the coalition government headed by the Indian National Congress Party.

There is no question that the Congress Party has failed to capitalize on the economic growth of recent years to invest in infrastructure, education and public institutions like the judiciary. And instead of trying to revive itself with new ideas and leaders, it is likely to be led in the coming election by Rahul Gandhi, the inexperienced scion of the Nehru-Gandhi family.

But Mr. Modi’s strident Hindu nationalism has fueled public outrage. When Reuters asked him earlier this year if he regretted the killings in 2002, he said, if “someone else is driving a car and we’re sitting behind, even then if a puppy comes under the wheel, will it be painful or not? Of course it is.” That incendiary response created a political uproar and demands for an apology.

Mr. Modi has shown no ability to work with opposition parties or tolerate dissent. And he has already alienated political partners; this summer, an important regional party broke off its 17-year alliance with the B.J.P. because it found Mr. Modi unacceptable.

His economic record in Gujarat is not entirely admirable, either. Muslims in Gujarat, for instance, are much more likely to be poor than Muslims in India as a whole, even though the state has a lower poverty rate than the country.

India is a country with multiple religions, more than a dozen major languages and numerous ethnic groups and tribes. Mr. Modi cannot hope to lead it effectively if he inspires fear and antipathy among many of its people.

Rajeev Mantri ‏@RMantri 21m
Hey @nytimes, do you think a million people came out of "fear and antipathy" today for a @narendramodi's rally? pic.twitter.com/QFE7CDMQMw

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 27 Oct 2013 14:43

Sucheta Dalal ‏@suchetadalal 54m
@alok_bhatt whether of not NaMo becomes PM, clearly US has to eat humble pie on Modi Visa issue! Surely egg on many diplomat faces!

Sucheta Dalal ‏@suchetadalal 56m
Waiting for #wikileaks on what #stratfor, US embassy advised abt Namo! Problem of listening 2 compromised thinktanks & mediaheads!

Sucheta Dalal ‏@suchetadalal 1h
Is the US spy machine watching #hunkar rally? Will some heads roll among US diplomats for being so wrong on reaction to @narendramodi ?

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 27 Oct 2013 14:46

NM has raised few notches up in my eyes today. If he wanted he could have cached in the agner of people for blasts. But he put people's lives ahead of politics. Salam sir. Take a bow.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 27 Oct 2013 14:47

anchal wrote:Per ANI, 5 people dead! Sad news coming in, wonder why the probe has been given to NIA in such a swift manner

To catch Hindu terrorists. After all this is the only expertise NIA has. The disbanding of NIA should also be a priority for Namo.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 27 Oct 2013 14:51

Secularists are ranting why the rally was not cancelled.
Today Modi showed courage under fire.
Went on with the show ensuring there was no stampede or fear and led like a leader.
Manoj Tiwary came on, song a few songs, asking people to stay calm and disperse peacefully.

I am looking forward for Singha's martial metaphor. But today was a turning point.
While the attendance at his rallies might take a hit, the fervor and motivation is likely going to go up.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 27 Oct 2013 14:55

kapilrdave wrote:NM has raised few notches up in my eyes today. If he wanted he could have cached in the agner of people for blasts. But he put people's lives ahead of politics. Salam sir. Take a bow.

+1. Kudos to Namo for controlling the situation through his speech. There were more than 5 lakh people in rally and had they become a mob, they could have marched directly to Nitish Kumar's residence and dismantled it to the last brick.

And above all admire his courage. It is not easy to address a rally with blasts going all around. Especially since threat to Namo's life is extremely high. But NaMo didn't even flinch. Calmly he addressed the rally, made his point and advised the crowd at the end to proceed safely.

Heartfelt condolences to the fallen. Your martyrdom will not go in vain.

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 27 Oct 2013 14:55

kapilrdave wrote:NM surely changed and diluted his speech. There were too less jibes against anyone today. This was definately not the speech for first rally in Bihar attended by 10L+. He did this purposely. The situation is very fragile in Patna and there are just too many people there. They were already angry on Nitish for the blasts. Had he gave more agressive speech there could have been riots. Even still the danger is not over. Dynasty would not leave any single opportunity to hold NM responsible for this and stop doing him gigantic rallies. That is the reason he did not utter even a word in about the blasts in speech. He also deliberately urged hundu/muslims to come together to fight powerty. This was necessary given the mood of the croud (from what I saw in tv). I think his appreciation for the crowd's patience will come by tonight. And he will console the dead and injurd. The speech was the worst time to do it.

+1 I also saw the speech live and it was evident he diluted his speech. In fact, he changed his speech impromptu so as to keep an atmosphere of peace and calm. This is a mark of a true leader and statesman.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 27 Oct 2013 14:57

Sagar G wrote:
Sushupti wrote:Urdu is second official language in UP and Bihar
The language of invaders just like English.

But you are using it right now.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 27 Oct 2013 14:58

Atleast 26 users browsing this thread currently. And this thread is hidden.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Oct 2013 14:58

there is a moment in the MH where inspite of best efforts of krishna and other well wishers, duryodhana is adamant he wont even give 10 villages to the pandavas.

from that moment on you know all out conflict is inevitable.

and what is the sum of accounts - the kauravas left the field with a grand total of 3 major warriors left standing - ashwathama, acharya kripacharya and the yadava chieftain kritavarma.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 27 Oct 2013 14:59

Pranav wrote:
Sagar G wrote: The language of invaders just like English.
But you are using it right now.

Don't change the fact. Nothing to feel proud of.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 Oct 2013 15:04

Sagar G wrote: The language of invaders just like English.

warned for using invader's language.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Oct 2013 15:07

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 27 Oct 2013 15:08

Yesterday Janardan Dwivedi of Nehru-Gandhi Dynasty led Congress was threatening BJP. Today Blasts occur at Namo's rally. Hmm.

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 27 Oct 2013 15:09

kapilrdave wrote:NM has raised few notches up in my eyes today. If he wanted he could have cached in the agner of people for blasts. But he put people's lives ahead of politics. Salam sir. Take a bow.

+1
Believe me, I was looking forward to it. But the way he handled the situation, it had me thinking what was I thinking. His speech showed me how to deal with it the right way. Naman hai Modiji aapko, our Prime Minister in 2014

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 27 Oct 2013 15:10

Y'day Cong's Janardhan Dwivedi warned NaMo of severe consequence like disruptions of his meetings for use of word #Shehzada, now bomb blasts. Is it conincidence? I ask SC to institute an SIT to probe role of Janardhan Dwivedi and Ahmed Patel by scrutinizing their mobile call records and if possible subjecting them to Narcoanalysis to prove money & anti-Modi nexus and plans.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 27 Oct 2013 15:11

Hallmark signature of Congis. When they perceive any infraction against Nehru Gandhi family, they retaliate by killing innocents. Case in point 1984 anti sikh riots.

Did the same instincts took over today as well? Did 5 innocents lose their life just because Shahzada's feelings were hurt?

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 27 Oct 2013 15:19

How would have media behaved if any BJP leader had made similar remarks to Janardan Dwivedi and some accident had happened at Shahzada's rally ? Point to ponder.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 27 Oct 2013 15:33

Words of Sonia in 2007 are echoing in my ears at the moment. Maut ke saudagar... Maut ke saudagar... Maut ke saudagar...

Barbarians.

My heartfelt condolence to the martyrs

. May the your murderers brought to justice soon.

niran · Post by **niran** » 27 Oct 2013 15:33

After action report
me had joined as an observer onree as a trainee for future
altogether there was one fatality the person injured at the rly station
he had an emergency surgery but his Liver was blown so died
of massive blood loss
seven others suffered non fatal injuries from six blast in and around the maidan
ye all should have seen NaMo security team they went about their biznrss as if was
their normal day at office no panic no yelling no nothing
this time counting went south due to over whelming numbers the estimates were no more than
eight hundred thousand but all the system broke down at one million after the blast security had more priority
to counting numbers NaMo appeal for peaceful return at the end helped a lot, no untowardly incident reported,period.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 27 Oct 2013 15:34

It was absolutely critical that the rally go ahead as planned (even with thin attendence) rather than be cancelled. Else the bad guys would have won and the same tactics would come into play for each and every one of NM's future rallies. Textbook case on how a handful of misguided elements can wilfully impose their veto on a majority of peaceful law abiding citizens, no?

In the event, what unfolded is truly amazing. The people stood their ground as did the BJP leadership. The rally went smoothly and dispersed peacefully, robbing the psec planners of many things.

And this wasn't just any rally but by many accounts the largest political rally in Independent India (as per SuMo).

The next attempt at disruption will likely not be as small or covert as this one, I fear.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 27 Oct 2013 15:38

Bhagirath has brought river Ganga to land. Now Modi has brought Human Sea to Land of Ganga.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 27 Oct 2013 15:44

niran wrote: this time counting went south due to over whelming numbers the estimates were no more than
eight hundred thousand but all the system broke down at one million after the blast security had more priority
to counting numbers NaMo appeal for peaceful return at the end helped a lot, no untowardly incident reported,period.

This is probably a new record.

The way Namo is going 1-2% of Indian electorate would have attended his rallies directly before the election campaigning season even begins. This is huge.

Hyderabad, Rewari, Trichi, Bhopal, Jaipur, Kanpur, Udaipur, Jhansi, and now Patna. 30-40 lakh people have easily attended his rallies already.