Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Oct 2013 00:12

It is a shame on jihadic driven terror groups, supported by whomsover nation, party, brand, religion or caste.. this kind of bomb blasting is against any democratic norms. It if it is IM, then it is not only required to hang these guys who are caught, but also a hot pursuit is taken up immediately to close their chapters.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Oct 2013 00:14

Neela wrote:
chaanakya wrote: He is Minister in charge of Home. What you are talking about??
And? What are you suggesting?

Did you read the news that a bomb was found under the stage as well. Being in charge of Home , it is his responsibility to ensure that Police takes things seriously and do the basic sanitization routine properly. I am suggesting what I have written. he is responsible for it.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Oct 2013 00:14

Muppalla wrote:These are not level blasts. The target is Modi. period. Everything else is spin of highest order.

People are misdirecting their anger at nikkamma. he does not have the resources nor the interests.

Its INC haath out and out. Most likely Doggy Singh's modules not yet rounded up. Further Papu's bleats about being a sacrificial candidate were pre-emptive strike based on Mama Shakuni Doggy's advice.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Oct 2013 00:19

Ramana garu, INC is wriiten off in Bihar long time ago. NiKuamma is trying to hobnob with INC again and bringing the spectre of lalu raj again. Now if INC had is there so is that of NiKuamma. Not only his hatred is well known but also he called Ishrat , you know what etc... Why would IM have any interest to bring discredit to NuKiamma if not for something more sinister?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Oct 2013 00:19

choose your international MSM pick, for aiding the terrorists
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/opin ... board.html

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Oct 2013 00:21

BJP with ND is seriously contesting in Jammu, Haryana, himachal, uttharakhand, up, Bihar, Rajasthan, Gujarat, mp, chattisghar, mh, Karnataka, Assam. If Cbn joins then it may contest and win few in Ap. I do not see more than 200 seats. Even that is difficult one.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 28 Oct 2013 00:22

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 783154.cms
Patna serial blasts: Cops raid suspect's house in Jharkhand, detain two people with pressure cooker bombs

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 28 Oct 2013 00:22

Ramanaji, these guys are too dangerous to be kept alive. If Modi makes it, he should hunt them down one by one and either bring them back to India or bump them off. These guys are sick. They'll bomb innocent people taking part in a rally to hold on to power. IMO, Modi isn't stupid and has probably upped the ante behind the scenes. A lot of shadow boxing going on.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Oct 2013 00:31

From electoral politics viewpoint two points struck me

1) He asserted a direct claim over the leadership of the Yadavs of Bihar and UP

2) He told Pasmanda Muslims on their face, what use is their Islamic zeal and their opposition to him if they can't even afford to go on Hajj even though government is willing to subsidize, unlike Gujarat's Muslims who under his rule have no problem affording Hajj travel. Even for their Hajj, which is part of the 5 Pillars of Islam, they need his help, to provide them with better jobs and prospects.

JDU, RLD, Congress are finished in Bihar! Modi could even expect upwards of 30 seats in Bihar!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Oct 2013 00:37

IM is an INC surrogate. It shows up only when INC needs to create a diversion. Nikamma can hate BJP as much as he wants. He still cant do anything.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 28 Oct 2013 00:39

RajeshA wrote:From electoral politics viewpoint two points struck me

1) He asserted a direct claim over the leadership of the Yadavs of Bihar and UP

2) He told Pasmanda Muslims on their face, what use is their Islamic zeal and their opposition to him if they can't even afford to go on Hajj even though government is willing to subsidize, unlike Gujarat's Muslims who under his rule have no problem affording Hajj travel. Even for their Hajj, which is part of the 5 Pillars of Islam, they need his help, to provide them with better jobs and prospects.

JDU, RLD, Congress are finished in Bihar! Modi could even expect upwards of 30 seats in Bihar!

I think you mean rjd

kumarn · Post by **kumarn** » 28 Oct 2013 00:54

from my cousin in north bihar: modi wave in bihar has reached tidal levels...even many muslims will vote for kamal this time

roads were deserted during live telecast of modi's speech today

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Oct 2013 00:55

ramana wrote:IM is an INC surrogate. It shows up only when INC needs to create a diversion. Nikamma can hate BJP as much as he wants. He still cant do anything.

so it is not the CIA but the NIA that I search to find quoting that IM formed after 2008 only.. in the sense after the formation of NIA. Never before or after.

very interesting

negi · Post by **negi** » 28 Oct 2013 01:00

Gentlemen remember Bihar shares it border with Nepal a country with literally no control over it's security matters. ISI via IM has made Nepal a new offshore facility for augmenting it's terror modules and unfortunately due to BCs that have ruled Bihar till date the IM has setup it's cells there too. So it does not surprise me if a much publicized Hunkaar rally was targeted by such modules. Lalloo and Nitish are aware of this increase in jihadi tendency amongst the IMs in Bihar and that is why they appease them , remember the ones who are stupid and crazy enough to kill someone because their religion/god asks them to do so are stupid enough to get swayed by freebies announced by likes of Lalloo and Nitish, Nitish's skull cap and such gimmicks are just an indication of the same.

Look at this chap who is arrested he is just 23 i.e. another Riyaz Bhatkal in the making . These are not good signs.

Santosh · Post by **Santosh** » 28 Oct 2013 01:07

I don't think the blasts were aimed in NaMo, only to give him a curtain raiser of how bad things can get. If blasts were timed properly there could have been a stampede. I think the aim was to keep him away and then repeat the success elsewhere. Of course the perpetrators understand that a worst case scenario with upwards of 7 lakh people can lead to rioting and complete failure of law and order. The blame of that would fall squarely on Nikumma, hence the controlled version. One thing is sure that blasts at NaMo rally will polarize Bihar just like Mizzarnagar polarized UP. The TSUNAMO has begun to take shape.

Santosh · Post by **Santosh** » 28 Oct 2013 01:12

ramana wrote:People are misdirecting their anger at nikkamma. he does not have the resources nor the interests.
Its INC haath out and out. Most likely Doggy Singh's modules not yet rounded up. Further Papu's bleats about being a sacrificial candidate were pre-emptive strike based on Mama Shakuni Doggy's advice.

He has the intent though, it could be con haath out and out facilitated by nikkamma. Local police and security is his job.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 28 Oct 2013 01:20

What interests me is the opinion of all these Muslim clerics wrt NaMo. Two years ago, all of them were collectively baying for his blood. Not a single Muslim leader could be found to defend NaMo. Now, some of them are quietly slipping to his side. The question is why. If anyone believes that these clerics appreciate NaMo's administrative skills, I have a bridge to sell him. We can rule that out. So why now? is it because they can read the writing on the wall, and would rather not be on the wrong side of the power equations? Is it because they know a TsuNaMo is sweeping India, and they realise that he will likely get power, secularists or no secularists? If so, are we here on BRF guilty of underestimating the power of the TsuNaMo? Remember what happened the last time there was a ferocious anti-Congress wave in India (1977). Modi is getting roughly the same reception that JP was getting. Can the BJP breach the 30% mark, on its own, when it comes to the popular vote? And if it does, can the BJP manage to cobble a majority on its own?

We here on BRF are making our calculations based on caste, community, etc. This is true in a normal election. In a wave, all caste calculations become passe.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Oct 2013 02:02

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editori ... epage=true Some months ago, a participant at one of Mr. Modi’s Muslim outreach programmes pointed to the paradox of the BJP’s website continuing to carry literature suggesting that Muslims carried divided loyalties.

what is commie chindu talking here?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 28 Oct 2013 02:05

These clerics are opportunists who think they are kingmakers. I hope for the day when they go door to door with a bowl in their hand amongst the IM community and nobody gives a sh!t about them, having woken up and having decided to kick these worthless twits to the curb.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Oct 2013 02:15

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 28 Oct 2013 02:16

prahaar wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/opin ... board.html

Is there a history of SD using NYT to express its views? Drawing a red line for NM PM-ship sounds like a huge step. I am sure senior BJP and NM advisors with gyaan about foreign media outlets would not have dismissed that editorial as a piece of junk. Swamy may come in handy to open a channel.

This editorial, ridiculous as it is, is a message to wealthy NRI backers of Modi to back off, otherwise they will run into trouble with the Empire.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 28 Oct 2013 02:17

Karan M wrote:These clerics are opportunists who think they are kingmakers. I hope for the day when they go door to door with a bowl in their hand amongst the IM community and nobody gives a sh!t about them, having woken up and having decided to kick these worthless twits to the curb.

While it is very true that the clerics are opportunists, what surprised me is the determination of the people to go through with the rally despite bomb threats. We had at least three quarters of a million people, who, despite bomb threats, go on to listen to NaMo. This is not commonplace. How many leaders do we know who inspire the kind of determination in their followers to attend a rally despite bomb attacks having taken place just a few hours before?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 28 Oct 2013 02:19

Correct, and that the people dispersed without incident as well.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 28 Oct 2013 02:19

Narayana Rao wrote:NYT is a leftist s--t paper. Why we should care for it. Jail their journo in India for some case like Dowry harassment etc and see the fun. Left only listen to force.

Saar, NYT is one of the voices that speaks for the US Establishment. It is by no means "leftist" in the conventional sense. The editorial shows that congis have cashed in a favor to get the editorial written. It remains to be seen what they traded for this favor.

The road to NYT editorial room passes through US State Department, which is paki-pasand. For example, someone like Sashi Tharoor will have enough contacts with the State Department pakis to get the job done. Tharoor has proved himself to be a good little messenger boy who has been taught his place.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Oct 2013 02:21

chaanakya wrote:Ramana garu, INC is wriiten off in Bihar long time ago. NiKuamma is trying to hobnob with INC again and bringing the spectre of lalu raj again. Now if INC had is there so is that of NiKuamma. Not only his hatred is well known but also he called Ishrat , you know what etc... Why would IM have any interest to bring discredit to NuKiamma if not for something more sinister?

Niku is a somewhat new player in the game of appeasement of Subcontinental Islamists. Congress is a past master in this. IM is an org where ISI has majority stake and INC a minority stake. Niku is simply an interested investor.

Congress is in panic. IM would be doing its bidding.

Congress wouldn't want to cut down Modi in a state ruled by it, because then the whole ire of the people would fall on them. In BJP states it is somewhat difficult to approach Modi. So Congress would rather want to kill Modi in a state ruled by a third party - in TN, in Bihar, in UP, in Odisha, in West Bengal, etc.

NiKu is simply a fool to believe that just because he has shown some interest and given IM a free reign in Bihar, they would take care of his interests in the state. No, for them cutting down NaMo is much more important than what happens to NiKu.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 28 Oct 2013 02:26

Karan M wrote:Correct, and that the people dispersed without incident as well.

This too! And NaMo's task was exceptionally dangerous, and treacherous. This was a crowd that had lost its members and was furious. One wrong word from NaMo, and the crowd would have gone on a rampage, flattening Patna in the bargain. But he managed to pacify them, and made them disperse in an orderly fashion. It speaks volumes about NaMo's abilities to control crowds. I have not seen this kind of response to any leader since the days of JP.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 28 Oct 2013 02:27

Narayana Rao wrote:BJP with ND is seriously contesting in Jammu, Haryana, himachal, uttharakhand, up, Bihar, Rajasthan, Gujarat, mp, chattisghar, mh, Karnataka, Assam. If Cbn joins then it may contest and win few in Ap. I do not see more than 200 seats. Even that is difficult one.

you left out jharkhand and delhi. IMO, if UP+Bihar+JH can give him 80 seats (a leap at the moment but in 4 months, do-able, perhaps), and another 80 come from Guj+MP+Raj+CT, we already have 160. Next, from MH, KT, Delhi and north-of-Dilli (Haryana, Punjab, HP, UKD, Jammu-Ladakh) another 60 can well be expected no (MH alone can give NDA ~30 seats, KT another 15, Dilli 5)... That's 220 as of now....

There's zimbly no substitute to pushing for a foray into Odisha, TN and WB then.... At least urban center vote can be targetted for LS polls n odisha (Balasore, cuttack, rourkela, Bhubaneshwar) and border districts of Bihar and JH in WB.... maybe... Another 6-8 seats from this zone + AP would seal the deal IMO...

anyway, day dreams perhaps... but without hope, there ain't much left in aaj ka india...

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 28 Oct 2013 02:29

Hari Seldon wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:BJP with ND is seriously contesting in Jammu, Haryana, himachal, uttharakhand, up, Bihar, Rajasthan, Gujarat, mp, chattisghar, mh, Karnataka, Assam. If Cbn joins then it may contest and win few in Ap. I do not see more than 200 seats. Even that is difficult one.
you left out jharkhand and delhi. IMO, if UP+Bihar+JH can give him 80 seats (a leap at the moment but in 4 months, do-able, perhaps), and another 80 come from Guj+MP+Raj+CT, we already have 160. Next, from MH, KT, Delhi and north-of-Dilli (Haryana, Punjab, HP, UKD, Jammu-Ladakh) another 60 can well be expected no (MH alone can give NDA ~30 seats, KT another 15, Dilli 5)... That's 220 as of now....

There's zimbly no substitute to pushing for a foray into Odisha, TN and WB then.... At least urban center vote can be targetted for LS polls n odisha (Balasore, cuttack, rourkela, Bhubaneshwar) and border districts of Bihar and JH in WB.... maybe... Another 6-8 seats from this zone + AP would seal the deal IMO...

anyway, day dreams perhaps... but without hope, there ain't much left in aaj ka india...

You are forgetting the NE. I can guarantee NDA at least 5 seats as of today. A bit of focus on the region,and Tarun Gogoi can be left high and dry. With focus, BJP can win 10 seats in NE.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 28 Oct 2013 02:31

Karan M wrote:These clerics are opportunists who think they are kingmakers. I hope for the day when they go door to door with a bowl in their hand amongst the IM community and nobody gives a sh!t about them, having woken up and having decided to kick these worthless twits to the curb.

Bargains and claims of decisive vote banks help to play both sides plus bargain/complain on both sides. These are like loopholes that could be exploited while taking credit for each and all elections.

Hindus should be very clear about not being fooled by loopholes.

Hindu dharmik issues should and must not be negotiable. No one should have right to utter one word for/against issues or make it look disputed or part of some other conspiracy.

Come to think of it, foolishness by majority Hindus in exploiting loopholes by certain minorities means that it also reduces rights of other minorities along with Hindus too.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Oct 2013 02:37

muraliravi wrote:
RajeshA wrote:JDU, RLD, Congress are finished in Bihar! Modi could even expect upwards of 30 seats in Bihar!
I think you mean rjd

Yes. Thx

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Oct 2013 02:39

Listen to Rudy. Looks quite rattled.

http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4440107.cms
http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4440108.cms

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Oct 2013 02:47

Gujarat cops urged Modi to skip rally

PATNA: Narendra Modi defied the advice of officers of Gujarat Police not to address the huge Hunkar rally in view of the threat posed by serial blasts inside the rally ground.

"I have to talk to those who have come all the way to listen to me. I cannot disappoint them," BJP sources quoted Modi as telling his police officers as he turned down their request to stay out of harm's way.

Sources said a group of Gujarat Police officers, who were here to supervise the security of their CM, had reached the airport to persuade him not to come to Gandhi Maidan as bombs were going off when the private plane carrying the PM aspirant was touching down here. Modi had reached around 12.25 pm, when the last of the bombs at the venue went off.

The police officers tried to reason with Modi, who figures among politicians with the highest threat perception, for 15 minutes, citing loopholes in the security cover provided by Bihar government.

They pointed to explosions taking place inside the rally ground and argued that it was proof that the ground had not been sanitized. They also expressed fear that the bombers could have timed more explosions to coincide with his presence inside Gandhi Maidan.

The IPS officers also said, it is learnt, that Bihar Police had no evacuation plan in place, and that they had trouble coordinating with them.

Modi, however, stood his ground that he could not go back without addressing the crowd.

Speaking later, senior BJP leaders said Modi's insistence helped in ensuring the appearance of normalcy. BJP leaders, who did not refer to the blasts in their speeches, said Modi's absence would have alerted the crowds to the terror attack, leading to panic and stampede and, possibly, calls for revenge.

The leaders regretted the death of party's supporters who, with one exception, had come from far off places to listen to Modi, and said the explosions and the consequent fear deterred many from reaching the venue.

BJP had won the Patna Saheb Lok Sabha seat as well as all the three assembly constituencies in the city, and was banking on a huge turnout from the residents.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 786460.cms

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 28 Oct 2013 02:55

Another strange situation is that in democracy, opposition leader and PM candidate is facing such danger. Makes no sense.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 28 Oct 2013 03:04

OK. MAFIA and her minions have announced their intention that they will let their communal dogs kill any one who dares to stop them using every means available to them. The Nytimes and several CON supporting journalists Nikhil Wagle to Shivam Vij showed it does not matter. If it comes to massacring Indians or protecting power of CON DIEnasty, they will go with the latter. It does not matter to them. Now how do we fight the menace?

AkshayM · Post by **AkshayM** » 28 Oct 2013 03:08

That nitish kumar and his Bihar government is culpable for lack of security, there is no doubt. Based on above Gujarat police report.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Oct 2013 03:14

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 28 Oct 2013 03:16

negi wrote: Look at this chap who is arrested he is just 23 i.e. another Riyaz Bhatkal in the making . These are not good signs.

Historically these perpetuators are jailed, gain more friends and networking, after every release go on to become leaders in their space, cause more terror until they are killed. These people should be nipped in the bud or should never be released from jail.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Oct 2013 03:17

first of all, when we have a ton of people folking around, how come bomb sensing dogs are not always active on such venue.. it is a must. there must be one sniffing dog per 100000 people.. so, 10L, we should have atleast 10 to 30 dogs at the maidhan.

mr gin.. i think like final justice.. we need a hit squad, and kill these fockers in the jail itself.. all done secretly, and no nonsense later.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 28 Oct 2013 03:20

vishvak wrote:Another strange situation is that in democracy, opposition leader and PM candidate is facing such danger. Makes no sense.

It makes all sense. The MAFIA is digging in. MAFIA is proving that it has PAIDMEDIA, Libtards, COMMIES, IM all in her pockets and they will divert the blame to Niku. It also serves as a warning to future Indians not to challenge MAFIA because destruction of every institution is supported by elements in India

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 28 Oct 2013 03:31

vivek.rao wrote:
vishvak wrote:Another strange situation is that in democracy, opposition leader and PM candidate is facing such danger. Makes no sense.
It makes all sense. The MAFIA is digging in. MAFIA is proving that it has PAIDMEDIA, Libtards, COMMIES, IM all in her pockets and they will divert the blame to Niku. It also serves as a warning to future Indians not to challenge MAFIA because destruction of every institution is supported by elements in India

So who pays the price for being soft on terror and selectively sensitive and selectively secular on violence:
1) Opposition in democracy
2) Certain upcoming and well established politicians such as ones killed in Maoist attacks in Jharkhand
3) Common people of cource that too selectively
4) Mobs who provide cover to terrorist get away and their later victims
5) Religious leaders of selective sects not all
6) Other minorities too by deteriorating law and order situation
7) People who are injured and families of all victims

Selective secularism and selective sympathy/sensitivity become acceptable as civilized
9) Less focus of government agencies and state machinery selectively

This is indirect perhaps. Hard hitting direct reasons needed to show we have been sold a lemon by pretenders passing off as civilized.