Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 28 Oct 2013 19:23

It will centuries of determined hindu missionaries to convert pakistan and bangladesh back to hinduism.

Sampradayic reversion may take time. But reversion to basic Dharma can be done quite fast. Once that is accomplished, Sampradayic conversion will not take too much time and will depend upon charismatic Sampradayic leaders in a spiritually free environ to do their job.

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SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Oct 2013 19:27

^are you talking dharma model can be faster than moving from an eye for any eye framework to cheek, and another cheek first?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 28 Oct 2013 19:35

muraliravi wrote:
Atri wrote:
OT reply - when pak is back in India, it won't be "as it is".. there will be very necessary changes. In words of sri ABV - "Zameen ko Samtal karna padega, tabhi to yajna ka aayojan hoga".. Pak, as it is, cannot be in India. and when that part of geography eventually returns within official domain of India, there won't be a "pak" nor there will be any "nazariya-e-pak"..
Atri ji,

It will centuries of determined hindu missionaries to convert pakistan and bangladesh back to hinduism. Something that we are not even seeing traces of today.

No. Not necessarily. If India grows at Chinese rates for a couple of decades, and becomes a 10 trillion economy by 2030, it is going to win a lot of converts back. The whole `Pakistan is superior to India' is based on the idea that the Muslims are better than Yindoos. If this claim is proven false, then, I suspect, the allure of Islam is also going to reduce (both within India and without). Which is why economic growth, driven by a Dharmic model is vital for the very soul of Bharat.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 28 Oct 2013 19:37

Sushupti wrote:

Jaitley is quite smart, very well handled press briefing. Not many people can be so well-organized and clear, and answer questions with such poise. So he is an asset, but one should also keep a sharp eye on him.

syele · Post by **syele** » 28 Oct 2013 19:38

Private security for & by Modi is a non-starter for many reasons.

1. It will send a wrong signal that a prime ministerial candidate does not trust state/central police forces with his own security but promises to offer security to masses using the same apparatus. Some regional parties can project this as an insult to local administration and people.
2. It will cost so much for the party and can be considered as part of electoral campaign expenditure and thus can come under Election Commission election cost stipulations
3. If the cost is borne by Overseas Friends of BJP (OFBJP) types then it can be argued as external meddling of Indian election process.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 28 Oct 2013 19:39

The bombs are placed at the periphery of the crowd. It could be because they could place them without getting noticed. Going deeper into the crowd would mean more risk of getting caught and lynched.

Or may be this is only a warning to Modi to stop/reduce his rallies. Bigger and powerful blasts may be in store for the future. Scary.
Modi's organizers should take control of the ground at least a day in advance and restrict access to it from all sides. Put up a sturdy temporary fence atleast 6 ft high all around the ground and manned by security so no body jumps over it. Ingress and egress should be allowed only from a few gates after going through a metal detector, bomb detector, sniffer dogs and a pat down. They should scan every inch of the ground right from the previous day of the rally itself multiple times. Like archan said, Modi should have his own security. Metal detectors, bomb detectors, sniffer dogs should be employed and every person entering the ground must be made to go through all of these and a pat down. Is it possible for private people to get these equipment if possible import it? Can GOI wihthold clearance for importing such equipment? The same equipment can be transported to all of his rallies by road. it would just be a few truck loads.

Long ago, when PVN was the PM, I attended his rally in Warangal. The road that led to the ground was closed for vehicles. People could only walk to it. Each and every person was made to go through a metal detector. And temporary partitions were set up in the ground. It was not one sea of humanity. They divided the whole ground into small segments on either side of a long corridor running along the length of the ground for people to walk till they reached the entrance of a segment. They filled one compartment after another, starting from the front.

You have to give it to the crowd for staying calm. It is scary to imagine what toll a stampede could have taken.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 28 Oct 2013 19:40

One thing to note from Arun Jeitley's article about security agencies not sensitizing venue of serial blasts is that some part of the state apparatus seems to have been compromised and full of lackeys of politicians. No one moved a finger even when former diplomat Brajesh Mishra pleaded to send bomb detection squad. All this inaction after warnings from IB about blaasts.

Yesterday NaMo also said pranaams to Bihaari jan facing serial blasts which seems to have become kind of acceptable for politicking under label of whatever. Janaadesh is fully with NDA it seems and now on NDA partners and others should see which way this can go for Mafia dreams of few. Successful rallies' credit go to people as well as BJP/NaMo/NDA.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 28 Oct 2013 19:42

The establishment is infiltrated by ISI inspired sickular Islamic fanatics: Owaisis, Taki Akthars and at least 30-40 hard core dreaded Islamists in Mulyam camp.

Modi has to build alternate leadership of MJ Akbars and Zafar Sareshwalas. He practically eliminated all the riotous Islamic rogues maintained by CONGis for 50 years.

Once he does that he effectively neutralize the Owaisis and Akthars.

That is his minimal goal in the first term.

Abhi_G · Post by **Abhi_G** » 28 Oct 2013 19:43

syele wrote:Private security for & by Modi is a non-starter for many reasons.

1. It will send a wrong signal that a prime ministerial candidate does not trust state/central police forces with his own security but promises to offer security to masses using the same apparatus. Some regional parties can project this as an insult to local administration and people.
2. It will cost so much for the party and can be considered as part of electoral campaign expenditure and thus can come under Election Commission election cost stipulations
3. If the cost is borne by Overseas Friends of BJP (OFBJP) types then it can be argued as external meddling of Indian election process.

A bird in hand is worth two in the bush...

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 28 Oct 2013 19:57

Atri wrote:OT reply - when pak is back in India, it won't be "as it is".. there will be very necessary changes. In words of sri ABV - "Zameen ko Samtal karna padega, tabhi to yajna ka aayojan hoga".. Pak, as it is, cannot be in India. and when that part of geography eventually returns within official domain of India, there won't be a "pak" nor there will be any "nazariya-e-pak"..

At this point all these are extremely improbable as muraliravi noted.. we cant even have hindus safe in india and adding the rabid pakistanis will make us a full blown disaster zone.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Oct 2013 20:05

vishvak wrote:One thing to note from Arun Jeitley's article about security agencies not sensitizing venue of serial blasts is that some part of the state apparatus seems to have been compromised and full of lackeys of politicians. No one moved a finger even when former diplomat Brajesh Mishra pleaded to send bomb detection squad. All this inaction after warnings from IB about blaasts.

Yesterday NaMo also said pranaams to Bihaari jan facing serial blasts which seems to have become kind of acceptable for politicking under label of whatever. Janaadesh is fully with NDA it seems and now on NDA partners and others should see which way this can go for Mafia dreams of few. Successful rallies' credit go to people as well as BJP/NaMo/NDA.

He is dead. This BM is a mango Bihari.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 28 Oct 2013 20:08

Karan M wrote:
Atri wrote:OT reply - when pak is back in India, it won't be "as it is".. there will be very necessary changes. In words of sri ABV - "Zameen ko Samtal karna padega, tabhi to yajna ka aayojan hoga".. Pak, as it is, cannot be in India. and when that part of geography eventually returns within official domain of India, there won't be a "pak" nor there will be any "nazariya-e-pak"..
At this point all these are extremely improbable as muraliravi noted.. we cant even have hindus safe in india and adding the rabid pakistanis will make us a full blown disaster zone.

well, the plan should be to have the border the way it is now and economically and militarily strangle pakis into accepting their actual ancestry. Then convert them. And then finally open the border for merger. This will take at least 300 years, while converting muslims within india at the same time. The problem is so far even in the intellectual domain (forget ground level work), there is no clear articulation of how to convert muslims back to hinduism. Rajesh ji's thread offers an insight, but more work is needed. Last from me on this topic in this thread.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Oct 2013 20:11

http://statueofunity.in/

Laying of foundation stone on October 31st 2013 by Modi.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Oct 2013 20:35

Sushupti wrote:

As long media has orders from 2Gs no one can do anything to Nikamma. The task at hand is to win the elections and then clean the stables. Even better is to make nikamma and his ilk irrelevant in the mindspace for that will kill their ideology.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Oct 2013 20:36

Dhananjay wrote:
syele wrote:http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 774203.cms

Lok Sabha polls to be 'Mahabharath yudh' between Congress-RSS: P Chidambaram

Christiandambaram reading his son kartik christiandambaram's statement in loksabha and quoting bible, doesn't know that kauravaas were in power and winners of Mahabharat were out of power at the time of great war?

I alluded to this aspect in my David And Goliath post on Saturday of how INC minions are usurping all analogies.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Oct 2013 20:40

Neela wrote:Ok this is Naraendra Modi himself.

Narendra Modi ‏@narendramodi 12h

People's blessings are the strongest Suraksha Kavach. Till these blessings are there this journey of awakening the nation will continue.

Will people's blessings jam radio signals of remote detonators?

Just hoping that the security team for BJP rallies start to take extra precautions.

If a durghatna happens this time it could be the psec who will face the wrath.

Right after Emergency after about two months, Mrs G suddenly lost the mind space and officials started not obeying wrong orders.
The speed with which the IB letters were released and the suspects rounded up is a sign of this.

BTW don't discount MMS. He has the kavach of the nationalists.

He will complete his term as the PM.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Oct 2013 20:41

Maybe we should wait for 686 pages?

Seriously if we get close to the elections we should consider moving this to strat forum for lurkers to get hope!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Oct 2013 20:48

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 28 Oct 2013 20:50

ramana wrote:
Sushupti wrote:
As long media has orders from 2Gs no one can do anything to Nikamma. The task at hand is to win the elections and then clean the stables. Even better is to make nikamma and his ilk irrelevant in the mindspace for that will kill their ideology.

Ramana, as I mentioned before, IB hasn't taken the insult by Congress to it kindly in the Ishrat Jahan case.
IB got intelligence.
IB Fed it to Niku.
IB informed the press that they had informed Niku.

So IB seems to be doing its job and is also informing Modi parallely.
They wanted to clear their name before Niku or Congress dragged them into the mess.
At the same time, above makes me very very disappointed in Narendra Modi. He has wantonly risked his life now.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Oct 2013 20:53

Neela, My research is IB is the B team of INC. It was isolated to keep them in power. However 2Gs broke the trust and hung them to dry.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 28 Oct 2013 20:53

ramana wrote:Maybe we should wait for 686 pages?

Seriously if we get close to the elections we should consider moving this to strat forum for lurkers to get hope!

Could start the New Year with a bang and move to strat forum on Jan 1. That is if the elections are not advanced.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 28 Oct 2013 20:54

Neela wrote:At the same time, above makes me very very disappointed in Narendra Modi. He has wantonly risked his life now.

On the contrary. It was a calculated risk, and the dividends are going to be monumental. NaMo could not have been faulted for canceling the rally. The fact that he didn't speaks volumes about his character (in a positive way). It will be noted, and can be cashed in at the right time.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 28 Oct 2013 20:55

ramana wrote:Maybe we should wait for 686 pages?

Seriously if we get close to the elections we should consider moving this to strat forum for lurkers to get hope!

maybe move it to strat thread till election , but it think thats too far away, dunno whether SW can support , it would probably hit close to or even more than 5000 pages by then

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 28 Oct 2013 20:56

Sushupti wrote:http://statueofunity.in/

Laying of foundation stone on October 31st 2013 by Modi.

Did anyone try to donate? I just tried the payment gateway, completed all the data requirements and even after the Double Secure code, the payment did not go through.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 28 Oct 2013 20:59

sudarshan wrote:
Neela wrote:At the same time, above makes me very very disappointed in Narendra Modi. He has wantonly risked his life now.
On the contrary. It was a calculated risk, and the dividends are going to be monumental. NaMo could not have been faulted for canceling the rally. The fact that he didn't speaks volumes about his character (in a positive way). It will be noted, and can be cashed in at the right time.

No doubt it will be cashed in. But he has to be careful whom he names/blames there. Let us see.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 28 Oct 2013 21:00

Why not be Sikular and start a new thread only at 786?

But seriously if there is no technical issues let it continue till May-2014.

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 28 Oct 2013 21:00

Neela wrote: Ramana, as I mentioned before, IB hasn't taken the insult by Congress to it kindly in the Ishrat Jahan case.
IB got intelligence.
IB Fed it to Niku.
IB informed the press that they had informed Niku.

So IB seems to be doing its job and is also informing Modi parallely.
They wanted to clear their name before Niku or Congress dragged them into the mess.
At the same time, above makes me very very disappointed in Narendra Modi. He has wantonly risked his life now.

I am not so sure. As far as I know the IB officer in Bihar is a Gujarat cadre IPS officer. So the alerts to NaMo's team may have been on a personal level.

From all indications, the IB is the covert arm of the Congis.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Oct 2013 21:05

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 28 Oct 2013 21:09

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/congr ... i/1188282/

Praise of BJP's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi by a poet led to a commotion at a cultural event organised by municipal corporation here as BJP and Congress councillors almost came to blows.

It was Diwali festival organised by Udaipur Municipal Corporation in the UMC premises where poets were invited to recite poems on Sunday night.

"One poet, Abdul Gaffar, began his poems with the praise of Narendra Modi. He was reciting as if it was a political programme so we objected and demanded to stop the poet from praising Modi," Dinesh Srimali, Leader of Opposition and Congress councillor in the municipal corporation said on Monday.

"It was the programme of municipal corporation, not a political forum. Our objection was initially ignored and BJP councillors pushed us. The poet was later asked to stop," he said.

The programme restarted after a brief interruption.

Congress councillors have submitted a representation to District Collector.

"We demanded from the collector that the expenditure of yesterday's programme be recovered from BJP," he said.

Udaipur mayor Rajni Dangi said that poets were expressing their views and had nothing to with the BJP or Congress.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 28 Oct 2013 21:10

rajithn wrote:
Neela wrote: Ramana, as I mentioned before, IB hasn't taken the insult by Congress to it kindly in the Ishrat Jahan case.
IB got intelligence.
IB Fed it to Niku.
IB informed the press that they had informed Niku.

So IB seems to be doing its job and is also informing Modi parallely.
They wanted to clear their name before Niku or Congress dragged them into the mess.
At the same time, above makes me very very disappointed in Narendra Modi. He has wantonly risked his life now.
I am not so sure. As far as I know the IB officer in Bihar is a Gujarat cadre IPS officer. So the alerts to NaMo's team may have been on a personal level.

From all indications, the IB is the covert arm of the Congis.

CBI requested IB for logbook to probe their activities during the Ishrat Jahan encounter.
IB did not budge. And when SC said CBI was a caged parrot I thought it as CBI + Cong against IB.
Based on the above, I thought IB didnt lean.
Maybe seeing it as a monolithic unit is a problem.

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 28 Oct 2013 21:25

So some of the guesses of BRFites were not off the mark. Owasi of MIM just said on Times Now that IB should not be a "holy cow" anymore, IB is targeting a single community & it should be reigned in.
So, Ib stands firm between the total secularization of Bharat, and these sickualrists are now all out against IB. Maybe, that's why IB hurriedly named IM as the conspirator. Maybe more dirt will be leaked soon.

OTOH Kumar Mangalam's Living Media owned Headlines today is blowing holes into MNERGA scheme, though in MP. Maybe the fight between the industrialist & the dynasty is going on..

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Oct 2013 21:27

I think Pranab Mukherjee needs to dismiss Nithish Kumar govt for negligence.
He has been negligent ifor whatever reasons and but for grace of God, it could have been worse with repercussions all the way to Delhi

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Oct 2013 21:38

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Oct 2013 21:42

so sweet!

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 28 Oct 2013 21:43

This is a politics thread and hence I am writing here. On the strat forum we can see who did and how.

This is a clear operation to remove Modi with tacit help from central government and state government. It will be joke to think otherwise. The elements of IB, other intel are all involved in the hit operation. They wanted to use Islamic terror as a tapped ops.

There are two things:
(1) if Modi got killed, the success rate it 100% for UPA-3. sympathy and all in this situation all possible but the thought process is can be changed in six months.
(2) If Modi killed or not, had there been a Hindu backlash against Mullahs that will give a polarization of Muslims and destroyed the performance and development and youth platforms

But it just backfired and the missile turned back.
(1) Now more respect and more vigilance
(2) the tidal wave may become tsunami

The tsunami can reach Burma and SL and has the potential to climb Himalayas of JK. Now we have to see what could be the next chaal.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Oct 2013 21:44

ramana wrote:so sweet!

Another way of saying be good Dhimmi or be prepared for consequences.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Oct 2013 21:51

Muppalla, What if the reaction is against the backers and not the bag carriers? that crowd could have turned against Nikamma himself.

BTW the state police was very negligent in its duties.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 28 Oct 2013 21:55

Sushupti wrote:

Salman can't say who was?

Was it NiKu or IM?

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 28 Oct 2013 21:58

Atri wrote:
in MB's own words - Ye (Pakistan) ek transitory baat hai, jaldi hi badal jaayegi..

But what to do with the asuras living in the land? Can they be turned Dharmic? Or will they reach their sarvanash? There are no easy answers. We definitely don't want another 250 million people crazed with barbaric culture running around in India.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Oct 2013 21:59