Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Oct 2013 22:00

All lets stick to the thread topic. Thanks, ramana

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Oct 2013 22:02

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 28 Oct 2013 22:08

ramana wrote:Muppalla, What if the reaction is against the backers and not the bag carriers? that crowd could have turned against Nikamma himself.

BTW the state police was very negligent in its duties.

The state did deliberately and part of the plot. We will get some whistleblower stuff in the coming days. Reaction against Nikamma is guaranteed. He will lose too badly by all indications. The population has no means to react against the plotters except voting them out. Remember the way DMK got drubbed after Rajiv's assassination.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Oct 2013 22:09

Congress sticking to its plan of rile up M sentiments by bringing in their M leader , from Rashid Alvi, Some Khan to Khurshid, when it comes to BJP and Modi.

https://twitter.com/ANI_news

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 28 Oct 2013 22:21

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 Oct 2013 22:33

ramana wrote:
Dhananjay wrote:http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 203.cmsLok Sabha polls to be 'Mahabharath yudh' between Congress-RSS: P Chidambaram

Christiandambaram reading his son kartik christiandambaram's statement in loksabha and quoting bible, doesn't know that kauravaas were in power and winners of Mahabharat were out of power at the time of great war?I alluded to this aspect in my David And Goliath post on Saturday of how INC minions are usurping all analogies.

Modi is Parhlad and Ugar Avatra has not manifested Itself yet. Dynasty Haarnaakash , desiring Its Own worship is attacking thorugh many Demons, Asurs, Pseculars , MSM Djinns, Prraits and other sinful ugly species. Come 2014 and Narsimha shows its wrath.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 28 Oct 2013 22:38

maybe the the objective was to simply "warn" Modi and those close to him? just a warning shot to prove how far they are willing to go, perhaps.

shyamoo · Post by **shyamoo** » 28 Oct 2013 22:39

Regarding the issue of having jammers or not. The bombs had timers and we're not detonated by radio signals.

I previously worked at a company that made the equipment that could detect roadside bombs ( the kind that are activated by cell phones) and generate a jamming signal. This equipment was supplied to the US forces in Iraq and Afg. The problem with these jammers is that it cannot be used at these venues where you have 1000s of handsets. Which handset would you jam? What is needed is metal detectors and sniffer dogs. Low tech to beat low tech.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Oct 2013 22:46

devesh wrote:maybe the the objective was to simply "warn" Modi and those close to him? just a warning shot to prove how far they are willing to go, perhaps.

My guess too given the way "Lotta" Diwedi spoke.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 28 Oct 2013 22:50

Sushupti wrote:
devesh wrote:maybe the the objective was to simply "warn" Modi and those close to him? just a warning shot to prove how far they are willing to go, perhaps.
My guess too given the way "Lotta" Diwedi spoke.

Maybe Modi should just do 3D holography to address the masses for sometime until he gets his security airtight.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Oct 2013 23:05

Patna blasts: Modi’s politics gives opportunity to disruptive elements: Cong

Party spokesperson PC Chacko said that while Congress condemns such violence like the bomb blasts in Patna at Modi’s rally as there is no place for violence in politics, the fact also remains that Modi is engaging in “negative politics” ever since he was named BJP’s Prime Minsterial candidate.

Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/politics/patna ... ef_article

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 28 Oct 2013 23:19

One response to the "divisive politics" canard could be - since shehzada has himself admitted that "they" could kill him too, he admits to being a divisive element himself.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Oct 2013 23:23

Sushupti wrote:
vishvak wrote:One thing to note from Arun Jeitley's article about security agencies not sensitizing venue of serial blasts is that some part of the state apparatus seems to have been compromised and full of lackeys of politicians. No one moved a finger even when former diplomat Brajesh Mishra pleaded to send bomb detection squad. All this inaction after warnings from IB about blaasts.

Yesterday NaMo also said pranaams to Bihaari jan facing serial blasts which seems to have become kind of acceptable for politicking under label of whatever. Janaadesh is fully with NDA it seems and now on NDA partners and others should see which way this can go for Mafia dreams of few. Successful rallies' credit go to people as well as BJP/NaMo/NDA.
He is dead. This BM is a mango Bihari.

Far from it , he was from MP, No Ordinary man, son of illustrious father and CM of MP DP Mishra and a Congress, true blue. He became first NSA of the Country. Fo wahtever derisive language one may use, he did achieve a lot in his life time that many just dream of.

He was born on 29 September 1928, and died on 28 September 2012. Mishra's father, late Dwarka Prasad Mishra, was a former Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh.[5] His father was considered a staunch politician from the Congress Party and very close to Indira Gandhi though they fell out later.[6]

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 28 Oct 2013 23:28

Sushupti wrote:

WTF? A cabinet minister can't make a statement like that without clarifying to whom he is referring.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 28 Oct 2013 23:37

sudarshan wrote:
Neela wrote:At the same time, above makes me very very disappointed in Narendra Modi. He has wantonly risked his life now.
On the contrary. It was a calculated risk, and the dividends are going to be monumental. NaMo could not have been faulted for canceling the rally. The fact that he didn't speaks volumes about his character (in a positive way). It will be noted, and can be cashed in at the right time.

Arun Jaitley addressed on a similar note when asked by Barkha, if BJP thought of cancelling the rally. Arun referred a group "we three". I assume it is Modi, Arun and Rajnath? The gist of his explanation was that the rally was on, and after the first explosion at the railway station, they had to go on with it. He made it sound like there was really no choice as people had gathered and the meeting was on. Only the Gujarat Police had requested Modi to stay put and not attend the rally.

Watched couple of shows of Barkha and Arnab, there seems to be a sense of reasonableness in their tone. How much ever one is biased or forced to align with their bosses & friends of bosses; these anchors like the babus will have to break out of the clutches one day.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 28 Oct 2013 23:38

ramana wrote:Maybe we should wait for 686 pages?

Seriously if we get close to the elections we should consider moving this to strat forum for lurkers to get hope!

Perhaps you should also make it easier for new members to join. The requirement of a non-free email ID is too troublesome for a lot of people. Had it been easy for people to join BRF could have become a much richer forum (albeit with increased need of moderation).

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Oct 2013 23:40

sudarshan wrote:One response to the "divisive politics" canard could be - since shehzada has himself admitted that "they" could kill him too, he admits to being a divisive element himself.

Tweet this plz!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Oct 2013 23:46

Shouldn't that be in feedback thread?

I think a fundamental shift has just occurred. INC spokesman are not getting it.
8 pressure cooker bombs are not a joke. Its a big attack. 8 people dead and 86 injured. Unlike in Boston Marathon we dont have pictures of the injured. So desist from thinking this attack as a mere warning.
Its not.
Its an assassination attempt that failed. Note reports of bomb under th dais.

The BJP by going on with the rally showed they don't bow to terror where ever it comes from.
And by being calm they saved the situation.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 29 Oct 2013 00:39

well ramana, even the bigger ones where dozens were killed fails to elicit anything other than the tired old platitudes..

this one will not even get the usual "this is unacceptable, we will get to the bottom of this, blah blah"...

in fact, you should be happy that they have not arrested some random person and chalk this one on "saffron terror".

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Oct 2013 01:15

EOD Story of all these pressure cooker bombings... Instead of having those men with dark glasses behind modi, it is better Modi carries a bunch of sniffing dogs which can do better security job.

What these men behind Modi can do? in fact, one of them was asked "neeche uthro" by modi himself in one of his address (jhansi/?). what are they looking at for a sniper? what do they think their eyes are borg made, when pressure cooker under their feet can't be sensed?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Oct 2013 01:19

ramana wrote:Neela, My research is IB is the B team of INC. It was isolated to keep them in power. However 2Gs broke the trust and hung them to dry.

What if they continue to keep their B team moles (assuming INC loses, and modi wins landslide)..?

we need to revamp of this setup. lot of cleansing needs to happen from IB.

anti-corruption drive can't be done via Anna Hazare type of satyagrah is the point to be noted! need SC Bose type of ops, modi type admins.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 29 Oct 2013 01:57

RajeshA wrote:
sudarshan wrote:One response to the "divisive politics" canard could be - since shehzada has himself admitted that "they" could kill him too, he admits to being a divisive element himself.
Tweet this plz!

Plz do the honors, saar. Moi not on FB/Twitter. Moi is a retro from stone age. No TV even.

Addendums to the original:

RG's dadi and poojya pitaji were both divisive, per his own admission. Now RG himself admits that he too is divisive, and could pay the price.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 29 Oct 2013 02:09

RaghavendraHebbar ‏@RKHebbar 10h
@mediacrooks Afzal Usmani has been rearrested. As u predicted, was he sent out for this hit job. Arrested for not doing his duty properly?

https://twitter.com/RKHebbar

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 29 Oct 2013 02:14

The counter terror and counter intel wings are with Modi it seems. The IB seems to be pushing back. Can give more details later.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Oct 2013 02:20

No need. The TOI reports the IB along with Gujarat Police was instrumental in delaying Modi's visit by 40 minutes and that probably saved lives.
Bihar police above rank of Dy SP no where to be seen at the rally.
Seems the whole high command went to railway station after the blast.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 29 Oct 2013 02:44

Atri wrote:
Karan M wrote: Probably OT.. but if the parivaar wants Pak back as it is, to be within India.. then they are being really silly (to put it mildly)..
OT reply - when pak is back in India, it won't be "as it is".. there will be very necessary changes. In words of sri ABV - "Zameen ko Samtal karna padega, tabhi to yajna ka aayojan hoga".. Pak, as it is, cannot be in India. and when that part of geography eventually returns within official domain of India, there won't be a "pak" nor there will be any "nazariya-e-pak"..

OT alert
Karan here is the yagna to be done before Napaki land is taken back into Punyabhumi Bharat:

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 80#p765512

&

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 80#p767587

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 29 Oct 2013 03:17

Columbia Econ don Sri Arvind Panagariya turns communal. Punctures the "Gujarat always grown faster" story with data....

Arvind Panagariya: Narendra Modi's real report card (Biz Std)

Boor mihir sarma, also of BS, must be firefighting with a constipational crisis, who knows...

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 29 Oct 2013 03:21

Hunkar Rally has been a Huge Success!

It may seem cruel to call it so considering the loss of life and blood. Those who went there and shed blood are nothing but Shaheed for the Bharatiya cause and cry.

However their sacrifice made it even a bigger success.

NaMo kept his tryst with destiny and sounded the battle cry, the Hunkar!
NaMo's, BJP's and Bharatiya bravery and determination was for all to see
IM operatives were nabbed, and if they are not killed off, they would be a source of intel later on
The peace has been kept between Hindus and Muslims despite this hideous act by Indian Mujaheddin.
If Modi had been killed, or 1000s had been killed in the stampede, Congress had a perfect script of a massive retaliation by the Hindus, followed a full crackdown by Congress resulting in a 2nd Emergency, finishing off of Indian democracy and any Hindu revival giving free reign to Jihadis to terrorize Hindus, using the excuse of Hindu retaliation. Basically it would have been a Godhra 2, only this time with Congress in power, instead of NDA. Elections would have been cancelled, perhaps permanently. Also all SM, Internet would have been shut off. This failed ... for the time being. Now we should use the intervening time to play out the scenarios of what could have happened and who would have benefited.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 29 Oct 2013 03:24

^^The problem is that the attendance at future rallies will suffer because people will be scared of more attacks.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 29 Oct 2013 03:25

Apologies if posted already:

Congress asks Election Commission to hide lotus ponds in Madhya Pradesh from voters

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 29 Oct 2013 03:38

TRPs trump everything... ABP news explores the angle of whether and by how much with Modi gain from the patna blasts...

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 29 Oct 2013 03:39

Agnimitra wrote:Apologies if posted already:

Congress asks Election Commission to hide lotus ponds in Madhya Pradesh from voters

This news is more suited for State elections thread. Posting my comment in that thread.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 29 Oct 2013 03:40

nachiket wrote:^^The problem is that the attendance at future rallies will suffer because people will be scared of more attacks.

No wonder media is keeping the focus on sensationalizing the blasts with that end in mind, perhaps...

critical that the next couole of NM rallies by small scale, in friendly states with adequate security cover, and get done peacefully. Then we too can hopefully count of public memory being a tad short... only.

disha · Post by **disha** » 29 Oct 2013 03:59

ramana wrote:No need. The TOI reports the IB along with Gujarat Police was instrumental in delaying Modi's visit by 40 minutes and that probably saved lives.
Bihar police above rank of Dy SP no where to be seen at the rally.
Seems the whole high command went to railway station after the blast.

Also the first report was that the blast was in a toilet. So I am left wondering what the whole high command was doing there in one toilet?

And again isn't it against operational procedure for the whole high command to rush to a blast on the train station and not actually depute somebody at the rally center? Even common sense dictates that the SOP was not followed. And the CM, NiKu was found wanting in action!!!

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 29 Oct 2013 04:03

Nope Niku went out of Patna to Rajgir so that the irate crowd does not level his house down. That pathetic clown will be CM for 210 days. 10 days after LS poll, I expect big defection in his party and installation of Sushil Modi as CM. That would be a well deserved slap on this Nikumma. I have followed him from 1985 and I always thought that he is from the gutter. People took 38 years more to realize that.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Oct 2013 04:37

what is the help provided by both bihar and mms gov to the blast victims? did modi provide any monetary help? please link it here for records.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 Oct 2013 04:40

rajithn wrote:
Neela wrote: Ramana, as I mentioned before, IB hasn't taken the insult by Congress to it kindly in the Ishrat Jahan case.
IB got intelligence.
IB Fed it to Niku.
IB informed the press that they had informed Niku.

So IB seems to be doing its job and is also informing Modi parallely.
They wanted to clear their name before Niku or Congress dragged them into the mess.
At the same time, above makes me very very disappointed in Narendra Modi. He has wantonly risked his life now.
I am not so sure. As far as I know the IB officer in Bihar is a Gujarat cadre IPS officer. So the alerts to NaMo's team may have been on a personal level.

From all indications, the IB is the covert arm of the Congis.

what do you mean 'the IB officer in bihar' ? bihar hardly has one IB officer. if you are talking of the person in charge of IB's bihar unit he is not from gujarat cadre.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Oct 2013 05:16

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 451_1.html
Political pundits are of the view that Modi has given a final shape to Bihar electoral strategies for the LS polls. The Hindutva poster boy is putting special emphasis on social engineering in the state while preparing the party’s poll strategy. Interestingly, the first proposal to declare Modi as the BJP’s prime ministerial candidate came from Bihar.

lot of commie feelings in the article

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 29 Oct 2013 05:54

WHERE IS THE DRIVER?
- Clever politicians have broken rules and made real changes
Writing on the wall: Ashok V. Desai

Rajan is right that India’s institutional structure is unsuited to rapid development of land and infrastructure. Despite that, the pace of change was faster under the Bharatiya Janata Party than the Congress. Atal Bihari Vajpayee was keen on highways; under his leadership, the golden quadrilateral and the east-west and north-south highways were built. Private competition in telecommunications was initially introduced in the early 1990s. But nothing moved then, except that Sukh Ram, the telecommunications minister, enriched himself with bribes. Initially, the coming of BJP changed nothing. But then, Pramod Mahajan broke all rules, and the telecommunications revolution set off: India got the cheapest network in the world, and even the poor started using cell phones. The power generation industry is in a gridlock all over India; but the Gujarat government sorted out the problems, took power to everyone including farmers, and made the industry viable. India is a difficult country to do business in; but clever politicians have broken barriers and started off little revolutions.

I have just noticed that every example I have given of political enterprise belongs to the BJP era. I tried to think of some Congress successes for balance, but it is difficult. Manmohan Singh was an admirer of Vajpayee, and often went to do obeisance to him. But that is foot-service, not even lip-service. When it comes to action, he has carried out faithfully the wishes of Sonia Gandhi and her group of advisers; though famous for his personal honesty, he has created the world’s largest corruption mechanism in the form of the Mahatma Gandhi National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme and the public distribution system. Narendra Modi is making waves. He is leading the BJP’s election campaign, and giving speeches all over the country. They are extensively reported. If the press were an indicator, the country has woken up to him. I do not know whether it has or not; his new incarnation as Vikas Purush (development man) does not wipe out his earlier image as an abettor of riots against Muslims. His speeches are full of venom against the Congress. But when he can subdue his hatred, he comes up with all sorts of clever ideas. He has won over the middle class; if they were the majority, he would win handsomely. But whether he wins or not, I think everyone should pick up good ideas from him. What is worrisome about the Congress is the lack of ideas

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1131029/j ... m8EvqNX7Fo

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Oct 2013 06:47

Every district in India has a Central Intelligence Officer from IB. They are all from IPS cadre seconded to IB.

Its possible Patna dt CIO is from a different state.