Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Ashok Sarraff · Post by **Ashok Sarraff** » 30 Oct 2013 21:29

SaiK wrote:so how many mosquitoes he killed?

Being a (fake) Gandhi, he did not kill any. In fact, he turned the other (pink) cheek.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 30 Oct 2013 21:49

bhargava wrote:

He must have learnt that from Mussolini or Hitler or may be anglo-saxon British masters.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 30 Oct 2013 22:04

harbans wrote:^ Sure. NM is catching peoples imagination and his credibility is a product of a campaign based on lies and deceit. Must realize that over eagerness to use deceit and fog as tools will sully the larger credible picture.

I just want to add to this list of things to be avoided is the constant harping on "rigged EVM machines". If CM Modi wins (which is highly probable given the groundswell of support) then how can something that was presented without watertight proof can be taken back?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 30 Oct 2013 22:04

`I want it back'
RAMACHANDRA GUHA

IN the spring of 1977, 30 years of Congress rule ended, and a new government took power in New Delhi. Politicians who had expected to live out their days in the Opposition were unexpectedly thrust into ministerial office. In preparation, sycophantic bureaucrats began to take away or hide any visible signs in the secretariat of the party, and family, that had for so long governed India. One member of the Janata Government was quick to notice this not-so-subtle spring cleaning. He was the External Affairs Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee. When he first entered his new office, Mr. Vajpayee looked around the walls, and immediately identified a blank spot. "This is where Panditji's portrait used to be," he told his Secretary: "I remember it from my earlier visits to the room. Where has it gone? I want it back."

"Panditji" was Jawaharlal Nehru, a politician the new foreign minister had reason to dislike. The organisation in which Mr. Vajpayee was reared, the Rashitriya Swayamsevak Sangh, detested Nehru. They suspected his culture, distrusted his politics and opposed his economics. For the R.S.S., Nehru was an Anglicised Indian out of touch with the realities of the motherland, a pseudo-secularist who was soft on the minorities, and a weak-kneed administrator who "gave up" half of Kashmir. To cap it all, in matters of economics he took his cues from that godless dystopia, the Soviet Union.

All this Mr. Vajpayee had imbibed with his mother's milk, so to speak. But more recently, the two years before he became foreign minister had been spent in a jail where he was placed by Jawharlal Nehru's daughter, Indira Gandhi. He had, in sum, compelling ideological and personal reasons to reject Nehru and his legacy. And yet, he asked for his photograph to be reinstated in his office. It was a gesture that would not have come easily to some of his fellow pracharaks — to L.K. Advani, for instance, Mr. Vajpayee is a softer man, and he must have been embarrassed by this brutal casting into the dustbin of one who was India's longest serving foreign minister — Nehru held that office for 17 years, for as long as he was prime minister — as well as its most effective and charismatic. Despite all that he had learnt in his shaka, once he became foreign minister, Mr. Vajapayee would have wished to claim this part of his predecessor's legacy, thus to once more make India an articulate and influential voice in world affairs.

The story of Mr. Vajpayee's entry into South Block in April 1977 was told to me by a now retired member of the Indian Foreign Service. To this anecdotal evidence of our current Prime Minister's admiration of the first person to hold the office, let me now offer the authoritative proof of print. Published in the proceedings of Parliament for the year 1964 is a speech delivered by Atal Behari Vajpayee after the death of Nehru. It is an extraordinary tribute, whose full import and flavour is properly conveyed only in its original Hindi. Still, as I hope to show, it is moving enough in translation.

Ramachandra Guha's books include Savaging the Civilized and Environmentalism: A Global History.
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mag/2002/ ... 630300.htm

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 30 Oct 2013 22:22

bhargava wrote:

"I, therefore, felt excited when wall posters went up all over Delhi, announcing that the great man was going to address a public meeting in the Gandhi Grounds adjacent to the Chandni Chowk. I do not remember the exact date. It was most probably in late 1934 or early 1935. I was a student of the seventh standard.

Gandhi Grounds was at a stone's throw from the place where I lived. Even so, I went to the venue of the meeting quite early in order to sit near the rostrum, and see the speaker from close quarters. Ale rostrum was quite high. But the crowd that collected by the time Pandit Nehru arrived was not big by latter day standards.

There was a thunderous applause as Pandit Nehru came up on the rostrum, greeted the people with folded hands, and was formally introduce,d by a local Congress leader. But the next thing I saw made me rub my eyes. The great man had become red in the face, turned to his left, and planted a slap smack on the face of the same leader who was standing near the mike. The mike had failed. Pandit Nehru was gesticulating and shouting at the top of his voice as if something terrible had happened. Meanwhile the mike started functioning again so that he could be heard all over the place. He was saying: "Dilli ki Congress ke karkun kamine hain, razil hain, namaqul hain. Maine kyatti bar inse kaha hai ke intizam nahin kar sakte to mujhe mat bulaya karo, par ye sunte hi nahin (the leaders of the Congress in Delhi are lowbred, mean, and mindless people. I have told them time and again not to invite me if they cannot make proper arrangements. But they pay no heed)." There was pin drop silence for a moment The next moment there was another thunderous applause. The Gandhi capped man sitting next to me offered comment "Panditji is famous for his temper. And people like him all the more that way ." I turned towards the rostrum. The face of Congress leader who had been slapped was bathed in smiles as if he had won some coveted prize .

This was a new experience for me."

http://voiceofdharma.org/books/hibh/ch9.htm

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 30 Oct 2013 22:48

Seriously? I mean seriously? I mean really really seriously did Congress have to act this stupid?

Country eager to have Prime Minister from Gandhi-Nehru family: Congress

Slamming Modi's attack on Gandhi over "dynastic politics", he said those levelling talking such things have no idea of past and present.

"Those who are giving the slogan of dynasty, ask them what will they say about Shiv Sena and Akali Dal. Will they show mirror to Sukhbir Singh Badal and Udhav Thackeray? "Will they also show mirror to their party leaders in Himachal Pradesh and Rajasthan"? he asked.

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 30 Oct 2013 23:04

Pillow fight? lol

Now a days neta's throw chairs, chappals and mikes that hurt people. Panditji chose a pillow, it's funny.

Anyhow, I doubt the authencity of picture's act, he might be helping in the clean up after meeting. lol

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 30 Oct 2013 23:05

If Modi can't have SPG cover, so shouldn't the Gandhis

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 1030.htm#3

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 30 Oct 2013 23:07

Narendra Modi to visit Patna rally blasts victims

According to ANI report, Gujarat Chief Minister and BJP’s prime ministerial candidate Shri Narendra Modi will meet Patna blast victims on November 2nd, said Bihar BJP leader and former deputy Chief Minister Shri Sushil Kumar Modi.

Total six persons including one bomber were dead in Patna bomb blasts. Barring one – all other blasts took place inside or around Gandhi ground just before Narendra Modi’s arrival at the rally venue on 27 October.

According to officials at Patna Medical College and Hospital, 83 injured in serial blasts were admitted on Sunday, and 30 were undergoing treatment yesterday. Five were in critical conditions and others were discharged.

The distressed kin of victims complain of chaos and confusion at the hospital.

“The situation is very bad in PMCH and it was the same yesterday. There is no one to listen to us,” said Brijbhushan Kushwaha, the relative of a blasts victim.

http://deshgujarat.com/2013/10/30/naren ... s-victims/

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 30 Oct 2013 23:07

SwamyG wrote:Seriously? I mean seriously? I mean really really seriously did Congress have to act this stupid?

Country eager to have Prime Minister from Gandhi-Nehru family: Congress

Slamming Modi's attack on Gandhi over "dynastic politics", he said those levelling talking such things have no idea of past and present.

"Those who are giving the slogan of dynasty, ask them what will they say about Shiv Sena and Akali Dal. Will they show mirror to Sukhbir Singh Badal and Udhav Thackeray? "Will they also show mirror to their party leaders in Himachal Pradesh and Rajasthan"? he asked.

Why do you think their core voters will think it is stupid. There is a good chunk of voters in this country who think the family protects them, entitles them, feeds them and gives them freebies by robbing others. They vote congress and may even hate MMS because they think he is not left of center enough for them. They feel the people in the NAC should be ministers and the NAC chairperson their PM. Lets get out of this thinking that Indian voters are all aspirational. There are enough perfectly rational voters who will vote for entitlement based government and the dynasty (family) is the symbol for such entitlements.

See this survey (this is a golden survey to be preserved): http://www.lensonnews.com/lensonarticle ... -base.html

There is something in this survey that may give the beleaguered Congress party some relief. While the nationwide mood on corruption is adverse for the Congress party, in states like Punjab and Haryana, the Congress is the preferred party for governance at the Centre. And, among different voter segments, there are some segments that are still rooting for the Congress rule at the Centre despite finding the Congress to be corrupt. Less educated voters (58% to 33%), Muslims (75% to 17%), scheduled castes (55% to 33%), scheduled tribes (52% to 41%), and labourers (60% to 34%)—believe the Congress is better for governance at the Centre than the BJP. These traditional supporters of the Congress perhaps feel that they are better off and their interests are better protected by the Congress rule at the Centre.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 30 Oct 2013 23:10

Katare wrote:Pillow fight? lol

Now a days neta's throw chairs, chappals and mikes that hurt people. Panditji chose a pillow, it's funny.

He seems to be grabbing whatever is nearest to him. In otherwords same as the above people.

Anyhow, I doubt the authencity of picture's act, he might be helping in the clean up after meeting. lol

His expression does not appear to be akin to cleaning anything but pretty angry.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 30 Oct 2013 23:14

ROTFL

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/unna ... 20594.html

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 30 Oct 2013 23:21

SaiK wrote:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... minister-s
Narendra Modi could be India’s next prime minister. So why won’t he talk to his wife?
-James TapperOctober 29, 2013 01:27

From above article

Her niece Nirali told GlobalPost: “She is a very religious woman. She likes simplicity and modesty.”

And despite her husband’s success, she is eager to remain a private person. “We have had lots of people come here, even Rahul Gandhi’s personal adviser, but she doesn’t want to talk to any of them,” said the niece.

this should tell what kind of scum Diggi Singh is. Overall, this is how congis work. They have inherited it from Brits.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 30 Oct 2013 23:25

panditjis lips appears to be saying the f-word while holding that obscene pillow shape - not sure about the target he wants to hit!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 30 Oct 2013 23:35

Victor wrote:NYT farticle has zero effect on votes as nobody in the India that will decide knows or cares about it. They expect him to be bumped off and are trying to appear prophetic to the miniscule "educated" Indians and assorted ill-wishers who read that rag. As the tsunamo progresses, we can expect a marshalling of the "secular"/jehadi/ej forces in US (ASHA, FOIL etc) but I expect that to be a good thing for India because we need to see the head in order to chop it off. Even if NaMo is taken out, God forbid, BJP will come to power. The asuric forces outside India need a strong supportive echo from within India to justify their existence and survive and that will be snuffed out one way or another.

The way to rub Bhut Joloka in American backside is to call Narendra Modi as the "Leader of the Free World" or "Leader of the Democratic World" and to use this title constantly. In 2014 Narendra Modi would be getting more votes, even if indirectly, then all the leaders of democratic countries put together. Can all leaders in NATO put together claim 200 million votes? If not, Narendra Modi would have the right to call himself as the leader democratically elected by the biggest portion of mankind.

And we need to keep on repeating this title ad infinitum and ad nauseum, especially when talking with any American! Obama or any other European leader should be considered Narendra Modi's junior, and should be vocally be taunted as Narendra Modi's junior!

This needs to be done to take away all moral authority from the American President as compared to Narendra Modi!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 30 Oct 2013 23:35

Sardar Patel's speech at Calcutta Maidan on 3rd January 1948.

Highly communal

, specially around 5:50 onwards. No wonder he was ignored and sidelined by colonial residue called Nehruvian India. No doubt, Modi is true inheritor of Sardar's legacy.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 30 Oct 2013 23:40

bhargava wrote:

That image personifies JLN well. The foot soldier of the west. Just like the foot soldiers who under the direction of the jernail uses the bettering ram.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 30 Oct 2013 23:42

14 parties share stage to signal they are anti-Modi, remain silent on UPA govt

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/14-pa ... t/1189188/

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 30 Oct 2013 23:45

Very good psy-ops, Rajesh sir. If Modi wins, I'll certainly keep this in mind in personal interactions with the yanks.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 31 Oct 2013 00:10

muraliravi wrote: Why do you think their core voters will think it is stupid. There is a good chunk of voters in this country who think the family protects them, entitles them, feeds them and gives them freebies by robbing others. They vote congress and may even hate MMS because they think he is not left of center enough for them.

True millions of aam admi, are possibly attached/attracted to Nehru-Gandhi family, and will want them to lead the nation. True, some of the first and second level courtiers of dynasty will prefer SG/RG to be the PM.

But I reject this left, right, center thingie when it comes to India. The political parties do not think in those Western concepts. And the 2008 economic crisis and 1991 Collapse of USSR has proven how these terms have lost meaning. It is like the USA is slowly getting out of mainframe, and India is using more mainframes. When it comes to populist measures, all parties indulge in them. As far as the welfare measures go, it is the way they enact policies & in the areas that they do it, make the difference.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 31 Oct 2013 00:17

SwamyG wrote:
muraliravi wrote: Why do you think their core voters will think it is stupid. There is a good chunk of voters in this country who think the family protects them, entitles them, feeds them and gives them freebies by robbing others. They vote congress and may even hate MMS because they think he is not left of center enough for them.
True millions of aam admi, are possibly attached/attracted to Nehru-Gandhi family, and will want them to lead the nation. True, some of the first and second level courtiers of dynasty will prefer SG/RG to be the PM.

But I reject this left, right, center thingie when it comes to India. The political parties do not think in those Western concepts. And the 2008 economic crisis and 1991 Collapse of USSR has proven how these terms have lost meaning. It is like the USA is slowly getting out of mainframe, and India is using more mainframes. When it comes to populist measures, all parties indulge in them. As far as the welfare measures go, it is the way they enact policies & in the areas that they do it, make the difference.

There is a difference in the extent to which you indulge in populism. I dont expect (or at least hope) that a BJP led government will never even think of a crappy food security bill, a mnrega scheme which robs taxpayers of hard earned money and incentivises people to sit at home. I hope they will never introduce the junky RTE bill and instead build good public schools and provide quality education.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 31 Oct 2013 00:21

Good Move: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/gujar ... /1188968/0

the Gujarat government has decided to send around 25 police personnel from the state to provide extra security to their chief minister.

Earlier, only a couple of police officers of the rank of Inspector General would go to states — where Modi was scheduled to visit — to liaison with the concerned state police and discuss the security arrangements.

We have decided to send in our men in addition to the NSG commandos who are already protecting him during his future visits outside the state. In Gujarat, our men take care of his security but outside also we have decided to increase the number of our own men. We have requested other state police also to secure the routes taken by him in a better manner," said S K Nanda, additional chief secretary (home), Gujarat.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 31 Oct 2013 00:23

If we take the NDA rule as an (the only) example of how the BJP would rule.. i think they will lay off massive fiscal boondoggles. Having said that, they do need to engage in some populism (achilles heel of NDA which didnt do it) to avoid a repeat of the previous elections, where many voters in india conditioned to think of mai-baap sarkaar do not know or care about high funda concepts and just want easy stuff. But it won't reach the highway robbery of (say) the eNRGA, FSB and the 24/7 scams will at least stop.. every day we open the paper, despite MSM attempts to downplay it, some corner or the other has a new scam which has come into the light..

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 31 Oct 2013 00:23

IMO, the next best thing to a single majority for bjp is - a total wipeout of Nitish party. He is just plumbing new depths with his lowly thinking every other day..

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 31 Oct 2013 00:31

muraliravi wrote:Good Move: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/gujar ... /1188968/0

the Gujarat government has decided to send around 25 police personnel from the state to provide extra security to their chief minister.

Earlier, only a couple of police officers of the rank of Inspector General would go to states — where Modi was scheduled to visit — to liaison with the concerned state police and discuss the security arrangements.

We have decided to send in our men in addition to the NSG commandos who are already protecting him during his future visits outside the state. In Gujarat, our men take care of his security but outside also we have decided to increase the number of our own men. We have requested other state police also to secure the routes taken by him in a better manner," said S K Nanda, additional chief secretary (home), Gujarat.

So amazing or shameful, take your pick - unelected folks get Grade A protection, the main PM candidate is denied the same (SPG cover) and the HM of the ruling cabal, brazenly says the former does not need it, AFTER a failed assassination bid.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 31 Oct 2013 00:32

Gus wrote:IMO, the next best thing to a single majority for bjp is - a total wipeout of Nitish party. He is just plumbing new depths with his lowly thinking every other day..

+1

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 31 Oct 2013 00:34

Sushupti wrote:14 parties share stage to signal they are anti-Modi, remain silent on UPA govt

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/14-pa ... t/1189188/

What's interesting is this picture of a Yadav leader Mulayam Singh Yadav with another leader from the Hindi belt whose Jati coalition is in opposition to the Yadavs (in Bihar).

During the Security meeting in Delhi a few months ago, MSY was in deep talk with Lalu Prasad Yadav.

These "leaders" would soon know that their Yadavs and Kurmis are not secure vote-banks! They've been running after Muslim vote-banks so blindly, that their Jatis are drifting away!

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 31 Oct 2013 00:50

Karan M wrote:If we take the NDA rule as an (the only) example of how the BJP would rule.. i think they will lay off massive fiscal boondoggles. Having said that, they do need to engage in some populism (achilles heel of NDA which didnt do it) to avoid a repeat of the previous elections, where many voters in india conditioned to think of mai-baap sarkaar do not know or care about high funda concepts and just want easy stuff. But it won't reach the highway robbery of (say) the eNRGA, FSB and the 24/7 scams will at least stop.. every day we open the paper, despite MSM attempts to downplay it, some corner or the other has a new scam which has come into the light..

Saar
There is no money left for populism. Any more populism will play into the hands of foreigners.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 31 Oct 2013 01:00

panduranghari wrote:
Karan M wrote:If we take the NDA rule as an (the only) example of how the BJP would rule.. i think they will lay off massive fiscal boondoggles. Having said that, they do need to engage in some populism (achilles heel of NDA which didnt do it) to avoid a repeat of the previous elections, where many voters in india conditioned to think of mai-baap sarkaar do not know or care about high funda concepts and just want easy stuff. But it won't reach the highway robbery of (say) the eNRGA, FSB and the 24/7 scams will at least stop.. every day we open the paper, despite MSM attempts to downplay it, some corner or the other has a new scam which has come into the light..
Saar
There is no money left for populism. Any more populism will play into the hands of foreigners.

+1000. There is no money what so ever. The only route I see out of this mess is to create some basic confidence again and gain reasonable liquid equity for large scale projects which can employ people in a huge scale. Believe me, there are enough people who are willing to work hard in India if the opportunity is provided. That is the class that votes for BJP and they need to empower them more and bring more and more entitlement minded folks into that class by showing them some real money though work.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 31 Oct 2013 01:04

kmkraoind wrote:
harbans wrote:Firstly People must vote for Namo and the idea he represents. Not because he or she did not receive 20K. Secondly for sure such a venture will be easily exposed. And the repercussions will even disgust many fence sitters as well as many who vote for the clean image that NM represents.
When encountering super negative forces, using sama dana bheda danda is advisable. I am just advising using of bheda neeti. Moreover, it just a mean to achieve a good end. Do not underestimate Cong and its allies (MSM, analysts, money power, etc) and we have to use every thing at our disposal to defeat Cong and its sickular ideology.

Exactly like Bhagwan Sri Krishan misguided duryodhan not to go to gandhari naked.

Cutting poison of vote buying with another poison. Loha hi lohe ko kat-ta hai.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 31 Oct 2013 01:12

Residues of colonialism align to face Modi.

In election season, Muslim factions unite, meet Sonia Gandhi

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/in-el ... i/1188852/

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Oct 2013 01:17

SwamyG wrote:Seriously? I mean seriously? I mean really really seriously did Congress have to act this stupid?

Country eager to have Prime Minister from Gandhi-Nehru family: Congress

Slamming Modi's attack on Gandhi over "dynastic politics", he said those levelling talking such things have no idea of past and present.

"Those who are giving the slogan of dynasty, ask them what will they say about Shiv Sena and Akali Dal. Will they show mirror to Sukhbir Singh Badal and Udhav Thackeray? "Will they also show mirror to their party leaders in Himachal Pradesh and Rajasthan"? he asked.

SwamyG,
A hundred years from now Nehruji(PUBH) will be ordained as the Muhammad of Psecularsim the new religion of modern India if the trend continues.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 31 Oct 2013 01:25

Sushupti wrote:Residues of colonialism align to face Modi.

In election season, Muslim factions unite, meet Sonia Gandhi

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/in-el ... i/1188852/

U beat me to it, was just about to post this. There should be no doubt in anyone's mind and especially in modi ji's mind that not a single muslim outside gujarat will vote for him (that is the assumption they should make). So for heaven sake, dont cross any rubicon. I would have been happier, if you had just said in patna "hum sabko saath lekar chalenge", instead of going blah blah about hindu muslim unity and how kutch and bharuch are most developed in gujarat becos there are more muslims there (that was a top class load of bull). I am not asking him to speak against them, just do what you do best, stay away from such topics.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 31 Oct 2013 01:29

Isn't maulanas indulging in vote bank politics and madam encouraging such unsecular practice.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 31 Oct 2013 02:01

now we know how amma-of -tn was focusing on her efforts to join with.
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/366 ... front.html

third front! anti communal.
so, how is that akilesh yadav and nitish kumar are anti-communal?

it is funny! actually communal means sharing across religious lines.
anti-communal actually makes sense for them. fantastic! do they know what they mean by anti-communal?

communal is actually a definition for joining .. so this is like anti-joint party or against alliance party, and they are in alliance.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 31 Oct 2013 02:43

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 3552_n.jpg

Another lie exposed..

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Oct 2013 02:56

Gus wrote:IMO, the next best thing to a single majority for bjp is - a total wipeout of Nitish party. He is just plumbing new depths with his lowly thinking every other day..

Media crooks are building up Nikamma as counter to Modi to reduce the latter's image.

Nikamma has no traction.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 31 Oct 2013 05:12

muraliravi wrote:Residues of colonialism align to face Modi.

In election season, Muslim factions unite, meet Sonia Gandhi

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/in-el ... i/1188852/
U beat me to it, was just about to post this. There should be no doubt in anyone's mind and especially in modi ji's mind that not a single muslim outside gujarat will vote for him (that is the assumption they should make). So for heaven sake, dont cross any rubicon. I would have been happier, if you had just said in patna "hum sabko saath lekar chalenge", instead of going blah blah about hindu muslim unity and how kutch and bharuch are most developed in gujarat becos there are more muslims there (that was a top class load of bull). I am not asking him to speak against them, just do what you do best, stay away from such topics.

The target of those words are not the mullah-pasand Muslims but the 'secular' non-Muslims and those Muslims who are not mullah-pasand (yes they exist even if a small minority).

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 31 Oct 2013 05:17

disha wrote:
Sushupti wrote: Aurobindo diagnosed the problem best.

"All his preaching is derived from Christianity, and though the garb is Indian the essential spirit is Christian. He may not be Christ, but at any rate he comes in continuation of the same impulsion. He is largely influenced by Tolstoy, the Bible, and has a strong Jain tinge in his teachings; at any rate more than by the Indian scriptures -- the Upanishads or the Gita which he interprets in the light of his own ideas."

http://www.voiceofdharma.org/books/ir/IR_part3.htm
Every body has a right to interpret/re-interpret vedas/upanishads/Bhagvaad/Jain/Baudh/Bible/Koran/Torah and provide how they won their adversities by adapting good from the above or getting inspired from there.

What is not right is to enforce that as gospel truth. That is Goebbelsian. Now coming to "ahimsa"., I found this ironical - Mahavira himself tells a snake to show strength by scaring off people but not bite to kill them. So "ahimsa" per Jain philosophy itself does not mean turn around and start showing your other cheek. It might mean to show a big danda if somebody tries to come and slap you. If somebody slaps you, then well beat him with danda but do not kill him. The sickulars just twist their inaction and blame it on something else - they neither read, nor understand and just go about citing religion without understanding it.

In that sense Gandhi comes across as sickular. Coming back to Modi, Modi has brought the discussion of Sardar back into mainstream. He also brought in LBShashtri. CongIs are now scurrying to own up Shashtri, Sardar etc. The moment they do that, it goes against their grain of dynasty sycophancy. That creates cognitive dissonance.

Everytime CongIs scream of NaMo not being a statesman enough, we can now say that Nehru was a fascist! He used Gandhi's moral strength and Patel's statesmanship for his own selfish interest. When cabinet did not repose faith in him, how did he became the leader of cabinet? Should he not have taken a moral stand?

See reply in Gandhi thread.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 31 Oct 2013 06:48

panduranghari wrote:Saar
There is no money left for populism. Any more populism will play into the hands of foreigners.

Money can always be found. Start can be made by auctioning off naming rights to all those dynastic properties. For e.g. IGI International in Delhi can become Airtel International and CSI in Mumbai could be Boeing International.