AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Nov 2013 11:35

In fact Lakshmi Parvati who crossed all limits and people felt disgusted with her. NTR could not get any support because of that. Most of the party was against her but he failed to see it and end was tragic.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 01 Nov 2013 18:46

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 01 Nov 2013 20:37

^

Is TV 9 Pro-Sonia, Pro-Samuel ? He seems to be saying how can SA congress folks can level things like match fixing/adopted son comments "without evidence" (as if they are not true)

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 01 Nov 2013 22:18

Listen to this interview with yesteryear actor Krishna from 09.35. He says to a question that he always wanted to make a movie on Sivaji but could not because he feared that considering that Sivaji established Hindu kingdom opposing muslims and we can't say anything against Muslims in the present climate, he abandoned the idea. Really unfortunate how deracinated and afraid our political and cultural elites have become (Krishna btw is a very nice and as the interviewer RK put it a innocent guy in his real life)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUyAEzZa2EA

one of the Top comments to that video

S Sunkara 1 week ago
llisten 09:45,So unfortunate that India cant make a movie on Chatrapathi Shivaji because of Muslim backlash, if there was no Shivaji , many of our ancestors would be converted to Muslims forcibly

syele · Post by **syele** » 01 Nov 2013 22:35

Maratha film industry produced a movie on Shivaji even though the % muslims in maharastra is more than AP.

Actor Krishna made Alluri Sitarama Raju movie in 1974 and in those days Telugu movie industry was in Tamil Nadu with <6% of Muslim population. The real opponents of such a film could be more influential communists in film industry.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 01 Nov 2013 22:53

Some of these people are great actors, especially NTR in old movies like Gundamma Katha, Malleeshwari, Patala Bhairavi, Srikrishna Pandaviyam. That need not necessarily translate into well governing heads of state/nation.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 01 Nov 2013 22:59

Rony wrote:^

Is TV 9 Pro-Sonia, Pro-Samuel ? He seems to be saying how can SA congress folks can level things like match fixing/adopted son comments "without evidence" (as if they are not true)

Top news channels are TV9, ETV, Andhra Jyothy, Sakshi, TV5, NTV, Gemini, etc. Tv9 came around the same time YSR rose to CM. In 2004 they were sort of critical on CBN and pro-INC and indirectly helped YSR. Their pro-INC stance may have gone down nowadays and they seem to be definitely against YSRC/Jagan.

Except for Sakshi which is owned by YS Jagan Reddy, rest of above list are Kamma-owned. Among the rest, TV5 and NTV are partial towards YSRC and rest are partial towards TDP. Couple of more small channels that are not listed are owned by CM KKR and PCC president Botsa. I heard those two are closing or being sold out.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 01 Nov 2013 23:12

devesh wrote: no, there is no proof that any BJP guys were involved in bringing down the statues. in a "million man march" where litterally 10's of thousands of people were gathered, anybody could have planted anybody's flag. so, no, unless you have proof that a BJP leader, took part in breaking of statues, you can't claim so. rest is just your rants.

also, yes, it is good that you agreed you have no proof to back up your so called "boundaries" of the Vengi kingdom.

I've been waiting for your answer. clearly, you have none. in fact, that entire post about supposedly Vengi consisting of region from Vemulawada is bogus, as I thought it was. but still, I thought that perhaps there was something that I genuinely did miss. so I politely asked you to provide a source. thanks for the honest admission that it was your own imagination!

This is my last post on this to you.

Sorry you still don't seem to know anything about history but just linger on Telangana vs Coastal even when such thing never existed in history before last century. Vemulawada was one of centers of early Eastern Chalukyas but late Chalukyas era, it was under the Eastern Chalukyas of Vengi which was shifted to Rajamahendravaram as Capital. By the time we can also call them Chola-Chalukyas.

anybody could have planted anybody's flag

Well it is like saying I didn't know how my shirt was on the rape victim. Somebody could have planted it.

If BJP didn't do it, they could have withdrawn from the mob and more importantly defended the statues against the destruction. They should have done reparations afterwards.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Nov 2013 23:35

matrimc, N Bhaskar Rao is very much alive and in Delhi as an MP. Its his wife Lalitha who is no more. His son is the speaker of the AP Legislative Assy. NBR was dad's junior. I brought a tennis racket for the son when he was kid. Met him at last TANA in Santa Clara. The VIPs were astounded when he was calling talking to me and reminisicing about the old days.

Also NTR had some astro BS in his second marriage. He really thought he would found a new Maurya dynasty and got deluded. All this spooked CBN and other siblings.

And NTR got imperial ideas form his movies once he got re-elected in 1994.
He called up one IAS officer on study leave and wanted him to drop his studies and comeback pronto to be his prinicpal secy! Guy said thanks but no thanks at this time.
Will wait my time.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 02 Nov 2013 07:51

I never saw bjp leaders express any remorse for destruction on Tank Bund. The same was done by them along with TRS and naxals. Leaders of bjp very much present there and did nothing to prevent this.When you regularly sit with naxals, congress fellows, and TRS you behave like them.

Anyway future history written by Romella type writters will glorify this action.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Nov 2013 09:13

Rony, I think Krishna made a movie called Chandrahaas about a sword given to Shivaji by Durga.
Its more a fantasy.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 02 Nov 2013 09:52

ramana garu looks lime I am mistaking CM N Bhaskar Rao for somebody else. What I remember is NTR getting dismissed by IG just because he was getting to be a charismatic challenger and installing NBR. I think because of that unpopular and illegal action of IG NBR got bad reputation by association.

Krishna was never as good an actor as NTR or ANR SVR kantharao or jaggayya. Granted he is junior to these but then his contemporaries like shobhan babu, krishmnam raju, chandramohan were not all that bad though not all that good either execpeting may be chandramohan.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Nov 2013 22:13

NBR was one of the original fonder of TDP. He staged coup and got NTR dismissed and became kuch din ka badshah. NTR led protests and a vote was taken and he got reinstated. This is 1983 circa. NBR stayed in INC and became MP. His son is he current speaker.

So you are also correct only timing is off.

I like Krishna only for his Alluri Sitarama Raja biopic. You know that white car that Rutherford had! Is the correct car and color.

And Mallu Dora(played by Prabhakar Reddy) being diverted by a kallu shop. He later ges life sentence?
MD was first(1952) Lok Sabha MP from Srikakulam.

syele · Post by **syele** » 02 Nov 2013 22:40

Gam Malludora

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gam_Malludora

Gam Malludora (Telugu: గాము మల్లుదొర) (1900–1969) was a tribal leader and Indian Parliamentarian. He was born in Chintapalle mandal of Visakhapatnam district, Andhra Pradesh, India. He was the younger brother of Gam Gantamdora. Their father was Gam Boggudora.

The Gam brothers were close associates of Alluri Sita Rama Raju during his tribal fights attacking the police stations of K.D. Peta, Addateegala and Annavaram and procuring ammunition for their assault missions. However he was an alcoholic and womanizer. During these bouts, he provided secret information about their activities to the British. Hence, he was dismissed from the village by Raju. He took shelter in the house of his lover in 1923. During this time, the British arrested him and prosecuted him with the death sentence. On his appeal, the death sentence was changed in 1924 to Life imprisonment at Andaman Jail. He was released in 1937 on the perusal of Congress politicians. In this way, he became the only associate of Sitarama Raju to survive the British assault.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Nov 2013 03:50

Not really. His original sentence was reduced to life imprisonment for two reasons: he was not involved in the actual attacks also it would not go well with the people to sentence him to death.
The judge agreed to these arguments.
In 1937 when the first Congress got came to power he was released from prison. In 1952 he stood for Lok Sabha and got elected.

He maybe drunk etc but he was patriot.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 03 Nov 2013 06:18

is there a possibility of KKR being forced out prematurely?

some rumors are going around, based on his recent allocation of ministerial posts. but it's only 2 posts, so I'm not sure if that is enough to push a coup. but who knows what wheels are running with INC at this time?

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 03 Nov 2013 08:31

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 307841.ece

No Telangana protests during Naidu’s Nalgonda tour

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 03 Nov 2013 08:32

ShyamSP, it is good that that's your last post. I too have one last post. your so called "boundaries" of Vengi are nothing but your own fantasies if you have nothing to back it up with. the history of the region over past 1000 years is pretty well documented. and boundaries of prominent kingdoms are not something that can be easily falsified. so, please do some research before posting about imagined boundaries.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 03 Nov 2013 08:37

Telangana formation might only be a mirage. if Jagan can promise INC to keep TDP out, there might be no Telangana bill at all.

Jagan has been allowed by a CBI court to tour AP and even travel to Delhi, now.

the objective behind allowing Jagan to roam free can only be one thing. INC intends to hand AP to him.

it will be interesting to see how KCR and his kin react, if this is the end game INC is playing for.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 03 Nov 2013 08:40

There were some Reddys who went out of their way to take a stance against Jagan. if these guys start loosing power and position within INC, that will be just another, and even stronger, signal of which direction the wind is blowing.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 03 Nov 2013 08:54

was speaking to a cousin of mine recently. my advise to him was simple: prepare for all eventualities. Telangana might or might not come.
I personally think it's still a dicey thing. no guarantees on what will happen. Jagan is being facilitated now. issue needs to be settled sooner or later. whatever happens, this situation really needs to be concluded soon. one way or the other. division or no-division.

if BJP shows signs of voting NO on Telangana bill, then INC will not bring the bill to the table at all. they will not allow BJP to ride the wave of Kosta anger.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 03 Nov 2013 08:58

I wonder mafia can stop now. But Jagan may be a plan B for mafia. if divison takes place he will give good number in ap, otherwise also will support mafia or 3rd front put up by mafia.
His gang could get some support in Khammam I am told. Also in Mehboob Nagar.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 03 Nov 2013 09:08

Narayana Rao wrote:I wonder mafia can stop now. But Jagan may be a plan B for mafia. if divison takes place he will give good number in ap, otherwise also will support mafia or 3rd front put up by mafia.
His gang could get some support in Khammam I am told. Also in Mehboob Nagar.

The situation in AP is simply too fluid now. I think the BJP should wait until the Mafia shows its hands. Is the all party meeting still on?

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 03 Nov 2013 09:13

http://newindianexpress.com/states/andh ... 867289.ece

TRS mulls Joint Security Board for Hyderabad

The proposals include:

Telangana state should have 10 districts with Hyderabad as its permanent capital as resolved by the Union Cabinet.

Residuary state of AP can conveniently function from a set of decent, dignified and spacious outfits located in close proximity within the city of Hyderabad. The Telangana state, with Hyderabad as its permanent capital, would of course, continue to function from existing outfits.

Overall policing of Telangana, including Hyderabad city, must remain with its government. Legitimate authority of the new state over the entire police force would enhance its morale.

Independent high courts should be set up for each successor state immediately. It would also be just and fair to have a separate bar council for the new Telangana state. Provisions facilitating this must be included in the proposed bill.

Legitimate share awarded by Bachawat Commission to Telangana in Krishna river water is 298 tmc and in Godavari river 900 tmc. TRS accepts these awards and would also insist on using the full and legitimate share without any compromise in the immediate future.

The final award of Brijesh Kumar Tribunal be held in abeyance till the State of Telangana makes its own submission and claim a just share of surplus waters being divided by the tribunal. Further, the physical work on Polavaram project should commence only after environmental issues, including wildlife and resettlement of tribals in Orissa, Chhattisgarh and Telangana are addressed in a humane manner.

The Singareni Collieries Company Limited should remain under the direct control of Telangana government and all the shares held in it by the government of AP be transferred to Telangana government.

Assets of Telangana prior to Nov 1, 1956, both immovable and movable, should continue to vest with Telangana and these may not be taken into account as common assets to be distributed. Further, no demand for any share of Telangana revenue, including Hyderabad’s, to be shared with residuary AP should not be entertained.

The Government of India should relax the relevant rules of the All India Services cadre allocation and allow Telangana IAS, IPS and IFS officers working elsewhere in the country to come and work in Tealngana state, on their request, either on permanent cadre transfer or on long-term deputation. * In case of pensioners, government should review each and every case of the pensioner who is at present drawing pension from Telangana district treasuries and take appropriate decision based on nativity criteria.

Article 371D should continue with a textual amendment, adding the name of the new state to the Article.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 03 Nov 2013 10:32

All party meet is still on. Bjp decision is to support division on line with mafia. Rajnath was met and informed about it. He said to have agreed. No object of non Telangana bjp leaders will be entertained by state and national leadership. Bjp Telangana leadership is also continuing it's attacks on CBN.

Basically bjp now allowed mafia to win ap in 2014.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 03 Nov 2013 11:02

Narayana Rao wrote:All party meet is still on. Bjp decision is to support division on line with mafia. Rajnath was met and informed about it. He said to have agreed.

Any reasons given? Why is the BJP intent on dividing AP in this situation? Or is it that the BJP is completely tied to Kishan Reddy's political ambitions?

No object of non Telangana bjp leaders will be entertained by state and national leadership. Bjp Telangana leadership is also continuing it's attacks on CBN.

Is anything known about who in SeemaAndhra BJP met Rajnath? Is Venkaiah Naidu in agreement about the division of AP?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 03 Nov 2013 11:13

I could not meet anyone personally since few days. As I have posted earlier, there was rebellion in internal meetings of bjp. From what I am seeing on tv etc national level bjp leadership simply decided to ignore 25 mp seats and party leader objections therein. Mafia is trying things for their benefit. No one knows why bjp is doing things. Venkayya is being abused internally by t bjp leaders. He can not do much. No pact may be there with CBN. By pretending a pact and not following it through they have damaged CBN, who may win few seats here and there. Those seats may not come to bjp.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 03 Nov 2013 18:59

nageshks wrote: The situation in AP is simply too fluid now. I think the BJP should wait until the Mafia shows its hands. Is the all party meeting still on?

This is what I would say 1000+. Everything else is either bias or rumor mongering.

Whatever it can do and whatever the combinations are, if INC/UPA is exiting power in India then same thing will happen in AP. It will be either at polls are or after polls.

Even Modi was supposed to go to Andhra region, on Oct 2nd TDP should have been in NDA formally and lot more was talked. Nothing happened. The reasons are again same as everyone wants to see what moves the INC will make. As I wrote earlier, this state goes all the way to wire for doing any predictions.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 03 Nov 2013 19:03

nageshks wrote: Is anything known about who in SeemaAndhra BJP met Rajnath? Is Venkaiah Naidu in agreement about the division of AP?

There is no seemandhra BJP and it is a joke if someone claims that it is there. Yes there will always be some office and two chairs somewhere.

If you start listening to them for decisions then BJP will go back to famous 2 seats of 1984. About a decade ago it has made a decision to not bother about non-T regions of AP as this population, elite will use and throw and not give any electoral benefits.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 03 Nov 2013 19:32

Is there any bjp in entire state? Not even a single mp seat and 2 mla seats. So there is no base for bjp anywhere. What ever they do they are not going get much in 2014.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 03 Nov 2013 20:00

Muppalla wrote:
nageshks wrote: Is anything known about who in SeemaAndhra BJP met Rajnath? Is Venkaiah Naidu in agreement about the division of AP?
There is no seemandhra BJP and it is a joke if someone claims that it is there. Yes there will always be some office and two chairs somewhere. If you start listening to them for decisions then BJP will go back to famous 2 seats of 1984. About a decade ago it has made a decision to not bother about non-T regions of AP as this population, elite will use and throw and not give any electoral benefits.

I don`t know about that, Muppalla-ji. The Congress and the TDP (and now Jagan) seem to be able to score electoral victories in the SeemaAndhra region continuously. If they can do it, no reason why the BJP cannot.

Anyway, it will be good for the BJP to wait and not play its cards prematurely. Time enough for the BJP to show its hand when the Mafia has played its cards. The thing is - whatever happens - the Congress is going to split. The BJP, having little to lose, is in a position to only gain from the fallout, because one of the two regions is going to be outraged with the Congress.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 03 Nov 2013 20:36

nageshks wrote:I don`t know about that, Muppalla-ji. The Congress and the TDP (and now Jagan) seem to be able to score electoral victories in the SeemaAndhra region continuously. If they can do it, no reason why the BJP cannot.

Anyway, it will be good for the BJP to wait and not play its cards prematurely. Time enough for the BJP to show its hand when the Mafia has played its cards. The thing is - whatever happens - the Congress is going to split. The BJP, having little to lose, is in a position to only gain from the fallout, because one of the two regions is going to be outraged with the Congress.

In Kosta and Rayalamseema regions any way you slice it, it looks to be fight between YSRC&INC vs TDP. If YSRC and INC are not together (secretly or non-secretly) it is sweep for TDP. Already Kamma factions are moving to TDP, Congress and non-YSRC Reddy factions are also will have to move to TDP, old TDP Kapu factions will come back in Godavari and UA areas.

In that background, it is less likely INC and YSRC split their own votebanks giving TDP advantage. Non-T became less complicated now unlike before with Jagan in Jail.

Coming to Telangana areas, esp western districts, where BJP has some play. It is their decision whether they let Congress with TRS and YSRC sweep or not, esp those seats where <5% matters. Beyond the areas where Muslims dominates, BJP has no new role to play. No Hindu-Muslim issues during elections, BJP fizzles out.

In the Telangana interesting dynamics develop for elections, in complicated scenario, TRS has huge advantage. So if INC goes with TRS in eastern districts and with YSRC in western districts in seat-sharing, they have huge advantage over TDP and BJP.

If Central BJP is playing frogs-in-boiling-water tactic with respect to Central INC on T-issue, it has 2 more months to tease. INC will have to reach a neutral point and bail itself out - "We did our best, Sorry" scenario. All part meeting is its good chance.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 03 Nov 2013 21:34

Tomorrow PCC chief Bothsa is meeting separately with leaders of both regions.

gpati · Post by **gpati** » 03 Nov 2013 22:46

Kiran seems to be building a constituency with government employees on united AP slogan. Government employees including their family members could be up to 40 lakhs. If he starts a new political party, would it not be more negative for Jagan than CBN?

హెల్త్ కార్డు పథకం కోసం రూ. 400 కోట్లు కేటాయింపు

ప్రజలు కోరితే రాజకీయాల్లోకి వచ్చేందుకు సిద్ధం : అశోక్‌బాబు

Vamsi.R · Post by **Vamsi.R** » 03 Nov 2013 22:50

Strong rumors going that CBN will not contest as CM if the state gets divided,he will be contesting as MP
which means that 99.99% the CM candidate will be his son Lokesh or his BIL Balakrishna.. either way TDP will lose i guess

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 03 Nov 2013 23:12

There are lot of games going on in ap. But if CBN without bjp alliance contests for MP he will lose. If there is Alliance then also he need to project Balakrishna only. Lokesh has nothing to offer. As things go now there may not be a prepoll alliance with bjp.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 03 Nov 2013 23:51

Narayana Rao wrote:There are lot of games going on in ap. But if CBN without bjp alliance contests for MP he will lose. If there is Alliance then also he need to project Balakrishna only. Lokesh has nothing to offer. As things go now there may not be a prepoll alliance with bjp.

I just spoke to some very high level contacts in Karnataka BJP. According to them, there is a very strong anti-CBN feeling in both AP BJP and Karnataka BJP. They feel that he milked the NDA for all it was worth, and then kicked them out when they were at a low point. They are dead set against any alliance with TDP, because they feel it will be a one way alliance, and CBN has nothing to offer the BJP anyway. The thinking is that, alliance or no alliance, CBN has nowhere else to go and will have to support a NDA government at the centre. Also, the calculation is that if the TDP falls apart (either in Telangana or in Seema Andhra, or both), then the BJP can benefit politically from the TDP demise by grabbing the TDP votebanks.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 04 Nov 2013 00:09

Does it mean allow mafia a&b teams towing AP? Yaddi did the same to bjp. Is he not being brought inside NDA. this elections are being fought at make and brake point in National history and every one who is against mafia should be brought inside if possible.

Defeating mafia in AP will spill it's doom. CBN can provided support here as bjp can not do this alone. There is no one one to get support.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Nov 2013 00:15

nageshks wrote:I just spoke to some very high level contacts in Karnataka BJP. According to them, there is a very strong anti-CBN feeling in both AP BJP and Karnataka BJP. They feel that he milked the NDA for all it was worth, and then kicked them out when they were at a low point. They are dead set against any alliance with TDP, because they feel it will be a one way alliance, and CBN has nothing to offer the BJP anyway. The thinking is that, alliance or no alliance, CBN has nowhere else to go and will have to support a NDA government at the centre. Also, the calculation is that if the TDP falls apart (either in Telangana or in Seema Andhra, or both), then the BJP can benefit politically from the TDP demise by grabbing the TDP votebanks.

Every BJP meet that want to strategize AP poll strategy makes the same comment. This attitudes of BJP folks such as "let us not get Yeddi", "Reddy bros are scoundrels" , "CBN took away everything even though we don't have anything to offer" are the reasons for INC to resurrect from ashes in these two states.

BJP in AP is on its own and very independent for the past 10 years. Even in its glorious Telangana movement, did it achieve anything? Even an electoral understanding with TRS? Why would CBN given anything. Its leaders in AP (sorry just Telangana) are the most useless ever I met or observed. Talking bs such as corruption, etc when even the affected are ready to talk these issues and lose out is all that they mastered.

Whoever offers BJP a coalition is that there are few pockets (very few) where BJP has about 5% votes. The offerror wants to ensure no split of votes.

There is a Telugu saying " adukkunevadu mee aayatho samaanam ga petta mannadata ". The translation is the begger asks a woman who is feeding him to feed him equivalent to her husband.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Nov 2013 00:17

gpati wrote:Kiran seems to be building a constituency with government employees on united AP slogan. Government employees including their family members could be up to 40 lakhs. If he starts a new political party, would it not be more negative for Jagan than CBN?

హెల్త్ కార్డు పథకం కోసం రూ. 400 కోట్లు కేటాయింపు

ప్రజలు కోరితే రాజకీయాల్లోకి వచ్చేందుకు సిద్ధం : అశోక్‌బాబు

This is what is going. Kiran, TDP and Andhra Employees union will contest against any remaining congress and Jagan. That is why I say to remain and watch the state. Any votes to Jagan even if its 1% to 3% that is a dent to INC+KCR which is also good. This is where BJP+TDP works very well.