Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 02 Nov 2013 08:11

"Will he,won't he,will he, won't he"? I asked my "willy" ,whether it was "to be ,or not to be".He told me that the PMO was waiting for instructions from Washington.Meanwhile the Eelamite diaspora has as expected got into gear with further "exposes" of the Lankan forces alleged war crimes with more video tapes.As expected,par for the course.These are usually trotted out everytime there is an international forum where Sri Lanka is present.While no one disputes the fact that savagery existed during the war,it was on both sides with the LTTE being by far the worst offender.

Much water has flowed into the Jaffna lagoon post war.Free and fair elections have been held,there is a Tamil CM in the seat for the first time,no small development at all.It means that democracy is returning to the troubled north of the island once more and such developments should be hailed by the TN political establishment.However,they see Lanka as an issue that should be bludgeoned for all its electoral worth,forgetting that the drift between the Tamils on that side of the Palk Straits has begun,widening the gap.TN rabble-rousers will only be seen as troublemakers par excellence,and supping with the Eelam devil can be a very dangerous and fatal exercise,as poor Rajiv G found out.

The spineless GOI however is being laughed at worldwide for being unable to move either forwards or backwards.In foreign affairs,we resemble a great elephant,with massive tusks,that should be trumpeting and roaring,instead is mewing like a scaredy cat,trapped in a deep pit !

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 02 Nov 2013 10:51

Oh man, Swamy again on Arnab's show. Can not watch him blather. Seriously, why did BJP have to allow him into the tent.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 02 Nov 2013 10:57

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/process-under-way-to-decide-on-participation-in-chogm/article5300780.ece

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has told Shipping Minister and Tamil Nadu Congress leader G.K. Vasan that a decision on his attending CHOGM would be taken at the appropriate time, keeping in mind the sentiments of Tamils and the resolution passed by the State Assembly.

Mr. Vasan got this message when he met the Prime Minister here on Thursday to highlight Tamils’ expectations of India boycotting CHOGM.

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnadu/17-held-for-attempt-to-lock-post-office/article5307638.ece

Seventeen volunteers of Naam Thamizhar Katchi were arrested when they attempted to lock the Head Post Office here on Friday morning, protesting against India’s proposed participation in the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM), to be held in Colombo from November 15 to 17.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/chogm-centre-aware-of-voices-of-opposition-says-chidambaram/article5305445.ece

Union Ministers from Tamil Nadu have highlighted the plight of Sri Lankan Tamils while indicating their opposition to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh travelling to Colombo for the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM).

Union Finance Minister P. Chidambaram confirmed that the government was “aware” of voices of opposition from Ministers from Tamil Nadu, but declined to identify them.

On the other hand, Sri Lanka’s Northern Province Chief Minister C.V. Wigneswaran is near certain to attend the CHOGM opening ceremony on November 15, said senior sources in the government. As most allegations of human rights abuses were from the Tamil majority Northern Province, where an election gave an overwhelming mandate to the Wigneswaran-led Tamil National Alliance, the official said: “If he attends, what is now left for us to protest

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 02 Nov 2013 11:03

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/four-men-held-under-nsa-in-chennai/article5304894.ece

Four activists of Dravida Viduthalai Kazhagam, who were arrested by city police following incidents of petrol bomb attacks on the Mylapore and Mandaveli post offices on Tuesday, have been detained under National Security Act.

According to police sources, the mastermind behind the attack Umapathy, his associates Ravanan, Marimuthu and Manohar, were arrested on Wednesday by Mylapore police following the incident. The attacks on Mandaveli post office endangered the lives of residents including women and children residing in the staff quarters above the post office. Following the orders of Commissioner of Police S. George, the four men were booked under the National Security Act on Friday for the attacks on the central government installations. The men are lodged in Puzhal prison.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 02 Nov 2013 11:10

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnadu/clamour-against-manmohans-participation-in-chogm-grows-stronger/article5307135.ece

The clamour against Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s participation in the Commonwealth Head of Government Meeting (CHOGM) in Sri Lanka reached a high-octane tone with Finance Minister P. Chidambaram expressing his reservation about his visit.

“While he is against the Prime Minister’s visit, he does not support the idea of a total boycott. As a senior Union Minister, he cannot openly express his view, but he has a strong position on the issue,” said a source close to the Finance Minister.
Tamil Nadu Congress Committee (TNCC) president B.S. Gnanadesikan also felt that the Prime Minister should stay away from CHOGM, taking into consideration the popular sentiments in Tamil Nadu and the Assembly resolution demanding a total boycott of the meeting.

“But political parties in Tamil Nadu should ponder the consequences of a complete boycott by the Indian government. Our stand, in no way, should alienate the Sri Lankan Tamils, who badly need India’s support,” said Mr Gnanadesikan.

DMK leader M. Karunanidhi has already warned that the Congress party would “reap a bitter harvest” if the high-level committee of the party decided in favour of Prime Minister of Indian representatives in CHOGM.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 02 Nov 2013 17:55

One hates to be prophetic,but in the aftermath of the war ,visits to the island,one forewarned the resurgence of Eelamist/LTTE activity in Tamilnadu .planned by the diaspora ,as the LTTE had been exterminated in the island.It is astonishing how TN and national parties have again fallen for the LTTE's stratagem (or are happily on their payroll) after RG was assassinated for trusting this diabolic entity.The TN elections is going to see SL as the major electoral issue between the two major Dravidian parties,according to the TN political grapevine.Events are moving quickly in that direction.The separatist trends in TN have always lain just below the surface and if the Centre does not deal with TN/Eelamist ethnic separatism that spans both sides of the Palk Straits,we may see another '60s "anti-Hindi" style agitation erupt.

The hard truth is that the GOSL is steadily adopting an anti-Indian foreign policy for two reasons.The supine nature of the Indian govt.,afraid to say boo to a goose,and the funding and support it is receiving from China.Any further dereliction of duty in the affairs of the Island will see India quickly encircled by Chinese and Paki naval and military forces.What will India do if the GOSL sign a defence treaty with China? Does the current regime even have the guts to defend innocent Indian fishermen (not the guilty ones) who have been allegedly attacked by the Lankan Navy,let alone contemplate another Indian military force intervening in the island,safeguarding our legitimate security interests ?

There is no choice.The Indian gog. must be represented by a strong diplomatic team at CHOGM.WE not only have to show lankan Tamils that we do care about their interests by being there and applying pressure-in concert with other CQ members upon the GOSL,but also to make our voice heard loud and clear amongst the CW nations,if we have any thought about the IOR being our backyard! The antics of the petty TN political buffoons should be put in their place.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 02 Nov 2013 17:55

Open rebellion against MMS is evident. It will be huge if MMS decides to attend. The whole Congress is falling apart.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 02 Nov 2013 18:01

The coward that he is,MMS should instead send the Pres. He cannot be seen as being partisan,even if he was a Congressman. His refusing to sign the bill protecting criminal MPs was a statement in itself that saw Rahulji make his "nonsense" speech.
I wonder what any TN politico could do if an Indian PM or Pres. also visited Jaffna on his way to or from the CHOGM summit.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 03 Nov 2013 11:58

Finance Minister P. Chidambaram spoke to reporters after meeting DMK chief M. Karunanidhi at his residence

Talking to reporters after meeting DMK leader M. Karunanidhi at his Gopalapuram residence, Mr. Chidambaram said media reports about the Prime Minister’s visit to Sri Lanka were incorrect.

The meeting between the two leaders assumed significance in the face of Mr. Karunanidhi’s warning that India’s participation would cost the Congress party dearly.

Mr. Chidambaram said the Congress never refuted the human rights violations that took place in the last leg of the civil war between the Sri Lankan Army and the LTTE.

Mr. Chidambaram condemned the brutal killing of Isaipriya, a journalist and LTTE cadre, allegedly by the Sri Lankan Army.

“I also watched the clippings of the video and I believe the contents are true. It was a brutal and merciless act. The Sri Lankan government has the responsibility to identify and punish those who are behind the act,” he said.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Nov 2013 16:59

I do not know why so many Sri Lankan refugee camps are still functioning in TN when normalcy has returned and a Tamil-ruled democratic provincial government has been established in Jaffna. So long as these camps exist, there is likelihood of violence, separatism, intrigue etc. in Tamilnadu, apart from them being a drain on our economy. Already two post offices in Chennai as well as the commercial taxes office in Salem were molotov cocktalied. These refugees have also been caught involved in robbery etc. It is better to get rid of them now.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 04 Nov 2013 20:12

SSridhar wrote:I do not know why so many Sri Lankan refugee camps are still functioning in TN when normalcy has returned and a Tamil-ruled democratic provincial government has been established in Jaffna. So long as these camps exist, there is likelihood of violence, separatism, intrigue etc. in Tamilnadu, apart from them being a drain on our economy. Already two post offices in Chennai as well as the commercial taxes office in Salem were molotov cocktalied. These refugees have also been caught involved in robbery etc. It is better to get rid of them now.

EJ interests predominate during election time,saar. amma is very wary as is chidu.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 04 Nov 2013 21:12

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/two-more-congress-ministers-oppose-pms-participation-in-chogm/article5313955.ece

Minister of State in the PMO V. Narayanasamy and Environment Minister Jayanthi Natarajan came out openly to oppose the Prime Minister’s visit, joining their Cabinet colleague G.K. Vasan.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/chogm-cadres-of-protamil-outfits-held-for-picketing/article5314049.ece?ref=relatedNews

As many 45 persons belonging to different pro-Tamil outfits were on Monday arrested for attempting to picket trains and bus stand in nearby Tirupur and Udhagamandalam, demanding that India should not participate in the CHOGM scheduled in Sri Lanka this month.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 05 Nov 2013 07:44

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/No-Indian-visa-for-Sri-Lanka-war-documentary-maker/articleshow/25235282.cms

India has denied a visa to Callum Macrae, the director of a documentary that exposed war crimes in Sri Lanka.

Macrae, whose team was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize last year, made news again last Thursday when UK's Channel 4 telecast footage acquired from him showing LTTE TV anchor-actor Isai Priya's capture during the last phase of the Lankan war. Priya was found dead on May 18, 2009, with visible marks of torture.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/south-asia/its-indias-internal-matter-sri-lanka/article5269902.ece?ref=relatedNews

The Sri Lankan government officially refrained from commenting on the Tamil Nadu Assembly resolution passed on Thursday, with sources observing that it was India’s “internal matter”. (The resolution has called for “total boycott” of the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Colombo).

Though there has been considerable speculation on Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s participation in the meet in November, the Sri Lankan Foreign Ministry has not made any official statement so far in connection with India’s representation.

A senior official of the government, speaking to The Hindu on Thursday on condition of anonymity, said: “India is a large country with very complex political systems. Us [the Sri Lankan government] commenting on internal matters will not be good for our bilateral relations,” he said.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/expel-sri-lanka-from-chogm-says-tnlm/article5278745.ece

Tamil National Liberation Movement (TNLM) has questioned the choice of Sri Lanka as the venue for the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) and called for its expulsion from the meeting in light of the “genocide and human rights abuse” against Tamils in the country during the war against the LTTE. TNLM general secretary Thiagu told a press meet here(Bengaluru) on Sunday.Mr. Rajapaksa “should be brought to book and punished as per the international law of justice,” Mr. Thiagu said at the press meet organised by the Karnataka Tamil Makkal Iyakkam.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 05 Nov 2013 08:04

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/students-to-intensify-stir-on-chogm-issue/article5314676.ece

Student organisations, which were holding protests across the State demanding that India boycott the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) in Sri Lanka later this month, have planned to intensify their stir.

Many students who tried to take out a rally to Thanjavur, where a ‘Mullivaikal Memorial’ is to be inaugurated on November 8, were arrested in different parts of the State.
Arputhammal, mother of A.G. Perarivalan, a convict on death row in the Rajiv Gandhi assassination case, who lighted a torch for the students, was among those taken into custody in Chennai.

The movement against India’s participation in CHOGM gained momentum after ‘Channel 4,’ a London-based television channel, exposed visuals showing the capture of LTTE cadre and journalist Isaipriya allegedly by Sri Lankan armed forces and later her battered dead body, police sources said. “We will intensify our protests demanding India to honour Tamil Nadu Assembly’s resolution seeking boycott of CHOGM. Students owing allegiance to various Tamil organisations will take to the streets and sensitise the people to why Sri Lanka has no locus standi to host the event,” P. Karthik, State coordinator of the ‘Students Federation for Tamil Eelam’ told The Hindu on Monday.

He said students from almost all colleges in the city offered support to the demand. “Many student groups are arriving in Thanjavur to participate in the inauguration of ‘Mullivaikal Memorial’. We will coordinate with them and devise the next course of action,” he said.

When contacted Ms. Arputhammal said she was invited by the students to light the torch that would be taken to Thanjavur as a mark of respect to the martyrs who sacrificed their lives for Tamil Eelam. “I don’t know why police have arrested me now…the students say they gave a petition seeking police permission some 15 days ago,” she said.

V. Prabhakaran of the ‘Tamil Youths and Students Federation’ who was among a few others arrested in Gudalur (the Nilgiris) said the main objective of the student groups was to pressurise the international community to remove Sri Lanka from Commonwealth group of countries.

“India should end delaying tactics and spell out its decision on CHOGM. Many countries are eager to know India’s stand on the issue. Student agitations will be focused in Chennai and Coimbatore in the next few days,” Mr. Prabhakaran added.

Besides major political parties in the State, human rights organisations like the ‘Amnesty International’ have urged India to boycott CHOGM in Sri Lanka. In a statement, the ‘Commonwealth Human Rights Initiative,’ which has attended all the previous meetings, said it was not going to Colombo.

Early this year, student organisations resorted to agitations in Tamil Nadu against the participation of Sri Lankan cricketers in IPL, 2013. Chief Minister Jayalalithaa wrote to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh saying that IPL matches would not be allowed to be played in Tamil Nadu if they involved Sri Lankan players, umpires and officials.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 05 Nov 2013 08:14

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/mea-recommends-pm-attend-chogm/article5313955.ece?homepage=true

As pressure mounted from within the Union Council of Ministers seeking that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh skip the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) in Colombo later this month, the External Affairs Ministry recommended that he should go.

In view of India’s “paramount security and strategic interests” in and around Sri Lanka, a senior MEA official told The Hindu, India’s national interests dictate that the Prime Minister should represent the country at CHOGM, a view that seconds the Prime Minister’s Office.

However, the Prime Minister can draw solace from the fact that the Bharatiya Janata Party has adopted a positive line on his travelling to Colombo even though, given the political sensitivities of its potential political allies in Tamil Nadu, the party remained shy of articulating its position in public at this juncture. “We have no issue with anyone, including the Prime Minister, representing India at the highest level,” a senior BJP leader told The Hindu, adding, “Our concern is solely about justice and equal political rights for Tamils.”

“We understand the sentiments of the people in Tamil Nadu, but … Indian foreign policy has to be guided by larger interests of the country and our geo-political interests,” the leader said, stressing that it wasn’t in India’s interest to antagonise a neighbouring country — its objectives are better served by a policy of engagement and dialogue.”

However, even within the Congress’ Tamil Nadu unit, there are differences; Tamil Nadu Congress Committee president B.S. Gnanadesikan and MoS for Commerce E.M. Sudarsana Natchiappan are backing the visit, with the latter saying India should be there at CHOGM to highlight the grievances of Tamils in Sri Lanka and to ensure their welfare. Mr. Gnanadesikan, for his part, pointed out that if the communication link between India and Sri Lanka was cut off, it might adversely affect the interests of Tamils in Sri Lanka and Indian fishermen. There was an elected government in Colombo, he added, saying, “If we don’t talk to the government in Sri Lanka, then with whom should we speak?”

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 05 Nov 2013 09:34

http://newindianexpress.com/states/tamil_nadu/HC-seeks-governments-view-on-memorial-for-Lankan-Tamils/2013/11/05/article1872682.ece

The Madras High Court (Madurai Bench) has sought the State Government’s view on a petition filed by World Tamil Confederation leader Pazha Nedumaran seeking permission to inaugurate a memorial for the Tamils killed in Mullaivaikkal during the end stage Eelam War in Sri Lanka in May 2009.

The memorial ‘Mullaivaikkal Ninaivu Mutram’ has been constructed in Vilar Panchayat in Thanjavur district.

In his petition Nedumaran submitted that the memorial was constructed with permission from the Vilar Panchayat authorities. The inaugural function is scheduled to be held from November 8 to 10 in which Tamil delegates from Canada, Singapore, Malaysia, Britain and other parts of the world are slated to participate. Since a large number of people would be attending the event, Nedumaran had approached the Thanjavur Superintendent of Police last month seeking police protection. However, the officer did not respond to the plea. Hence he moved the court.

Nedumaran’s counsel M Vijayan expressed apprehension that the police could stop the function at the last minute citing a possible law and order problem.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 06 Nov 2013 00:38

Some pals accuse me of having a "black tongue". I thus try and be less prophetic in views,but can't restrain myself further.IT is now becoming evident that the way things are going,Eelam will be achieved.........not in northern Sri Lanka,but over here in India in Tamilnadu! The Eelam diaspora has very cleverly conned the disreputable and corrupt TN politicos into saving the Eelam cause which was almost extinguished from the region after the extermination of Fuhrer Prabhakaran and his chief cronies. Alone in the field was Feld Marshal Vaiko,a lonely figure flailing his sword in vain and ranting and raving against the traitors to the Tamil cause-both Dravidian parties.

However,as on the turf,a dose of "vitamin M" can make the mare go! Add to Vit. M the electoral ingredients,a ready-made emotional issue and you have a heady cocktail that would bring a corpse to life.The Eelam corpse has indeed been resurrected with gusto and is alive and kicking well,thanks to the combined efforts of the shameless TN political establishment who are tripping over their dhotis to be more Eelamist than the other.Forgotten are the assassinations of Rajiv G and co.,the days when LTTE cadre strolled openly in the state with their weapons,bomb factories sprouting up in industrial cities,et al.Like Jhansi-ki-rani, Empress JJ leads the clarion war cry against the evil "Ravan-Pakse" and his tribe who control virtually everything in the island.Just read the latest Week mag. for the intricate details of the Rajapakse empire controlled by the clan's numerous family members.

What is interesting is that the British producer of the latest war crime" video,who has produced similar videos for the Eelamists before, has been denied a visa to India by the GOI.While the MEA has given our mendicant the green light to go to the CHOGM,the TN battalion including those within his own party like PC (who will need a miracle to win his seat again),are firmly against the mendicant attending for selfish electoral interests.What is even more disturbing is the fact that those spearheading the agits in TN in favour of Eelam,are hard-core pro-LTTE cadre and some of the same gang who tried to sabotage KKMNP. If the PM does go to the CHOGM<who knows,it might start off another massive agit. as said before,like the anti-Hindi riots in the mid-60s.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 06 Nov 2013 07:21

A memorial is now being built in Madurai ostensibly for the victims of the war,but in reality which will glorify the LTTE in the future.We will soon have a proliferation of such "memorials" in TN as the Eelamists take over the state in course of time.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 06 Nov 2013 09:45

Good to see that the MEA is visiting BR! Latest news about he PM's Lanlan CHOGM visit,compromise,that he will also visit Jaffna.Just what we've been saying all along. It will do two things.Reinforce the credibility of CM Wigneswaran in the eyes of local northern Tamils and the Tamil diaspora at large,plus underscore India's constant support for the legitimate rights of the Tamil people in the island. It will also cool down the heat in TN somewhat,whose opportunistic politicos and Eelamists like Vaiko will be unable to criticize th visit.It will also be a morale booster for the locals with the visit of an Indian PM and give them confidence to face the future within a united Lanka.

But most importantly,from the Indian interests standpoint,is that we will be "showing the flag" in the island to the Chinese and Pakis,apart from the CW leaders.The IOR is our backyard,it would be impossible for an Indian PM not to be present at the summit,to underscore our regional dominance a genuine measure of our size and strength and above all our religious-cultural heritage which spans across most of Asia,especially the ASEAN region and the Far East.It will also show a measure of qualified support for a beseiged Pres. Rajapakse from firang interfering busybodies who have in the past tried to hold the CW to ransom. The PM can also resolve issues of irritation like the IOC lease of the Trinco oil tanks,fishermen spats,security of India threatened by PRC using Lanka for military logistics usage,,supply of mil. hardware to Lankan forces like OPVs for the SLN,etc.In fact the shelved defence agreement with the GOSL which would've cemented Indo-Lanka security should be dusted off and re-examined for a swift conclusion to the mutual benefit of both nations.

The PM while on his Jaffna visit could announce more Indian aid for Lankan Tamils,but he must not forget the loyal Tamils in the hill country workers on the tea estates who look to India for moral and cultural support.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 06 Nov 2013 17:05

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/india-can-isolate-sri-lanka-through-boycott-of-chogm/article5318222.ece

India through its boycott of the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) can isolate Sri Lanka and rope in friendly countries to vote against handing over the Commonwealth Chairperson-in-Office (CIO) to its President Mahinda Rajapaksa, said Viduthalai Chiruthaikal Katchi (VCK) leader Thol. Thirumavalavan.

PMK leader S. Ramadoss on Tuesday said the debate whether Prime Minister Manmohan Singh should participate in CHOGM had deliberately been brought to the centre stage to overshadow the real issue concerning Sri Lankan Tamils and their rights.

“The debate is nothing but a diversionary tactics. The real issue is the crime against the Tamils in the last leg of the civil war and an international inquiry against Mr. Rajapaksa for his alleged role,” Dr Ramadoss said in a statement.

He said Tamils across the world was keen on a referendum to know the stand of Tamils on creation of a separate Tamil Eelam and their aspiration could be fulfilled through India’s boycott of CHOGM.

Dr. Ramadoss said Indian government had bailed out Sri Lankan government from every crisis in the past and now was seeking to create an impression that interests of Tamils would be served by Prime Minister staying away from the conference.

“Prime Minister’s absence is not enough. India should totally boycott the meeting and take steps to expel Sri Lanka from the Commonwealth,” he said.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/difficult-to-support-pms-chogm-visit-to-sri-lanka-if-agenda-not-clearly-spelled-out-bjp/articleshow/25262681.cms

CHENNAI: BJP today said it will be very difficult for it to support the visit of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to Sri Lanka to participate in the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting if the Centre does not clearly spell out the agenda it will pursue in the conference.

Stating that the party national leadership had not yet taken a formal position on CHOGM participation, BJP National General Secretary and party in charge for Tamil Nadu, P Muralidhar Rao told reporters here that the Centre had not spelt out its agenda for the meet.

"You cannot simply attend one more conference, what is the benefit you are going to get for India by attending CHOGM? What exactly is it (government) going to do? All these things have not become clear," he told reporters.

Arguing that there is no national interest other than 'Tamil Nadu interest' on the CHOGM, he said, "Tamil Nadu people are also nationalists.If you have interest you have to spell it out, the Prime Minister going to Sri Lanka without answering these questions, the party cannot support. Raising Tamil Nadu's concerns is not unjustified."

Asked when his party would spell out its stance formally, Rao said,"before he (PM) leaves (for Colombo)."

Emphasising that the party's Tamil Nadu unit had already expressed its opposition to India's participation in CHOGM, he said the 'attitude' of the Centre and Prime Minister was behind the demand for boycott.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/pm-must-attend-chogm-says-swamy/article5318327.ece

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh should demonstrate that he placed India’s national interest above the petty political interest of the UPA, by immediately announcing his decision to attend the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) in Sri Lanka, Janata Party president (?)Subramanian Swamy said on Tuesday.

In a statement here, Dr. Swamy said that the Prime Minister should also meet Sri Lankan President Rajapaksa and discuss Tamil issues in Jaffna with the recently elected Chief Minister of Northern Province and former Supreme Court Judge Wigneswaran.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 07 Nov 2013 17:08

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Karunanidhi-sees-cheap-tactics-in-denial-of-Indian-visa-to-British-documentary-filmmaker-Callum-Macrae/articleshow/25333740.cms

DMK chief M Karunanidhi on Wednesday said the denial of visa to British documentary filmmaker Callum Macrae is not just against freedom of expression but also 'cheap tactics.'

In a statement, Karunanidhi referred to Central Government's reported denial of visa to Callum, who had applied for it eight months ago.

Callum's recent video clippings, aired by UK's Channel 4, showed how Tamil actress and TV presenter of Isai Priya was captured and killed by the Sri Lankan army. The video shows that Isai Priya was not killed in the battle field as claimed by the Sri Lankan government.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/south-asia/tna-too-on-the-horns-of-dilemma/article5322812.ece?ref=relatedNews

With CHOGM barely 10 days away, the Tamil National Alliance, which recently formed the Northern Provincial Council government by securing a thumping majority, finds itself unable to decide between boycotting the government’s grand show and the need for political engagement — in regard to both, its own participation and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s.
Much like their counterparts in Tamil Nadu, TNA politicians have so far demanded that Dr. Singh boycott the meeting, but moderate voices in the Alliance told The Hindu inprivate that some of them were, in fact, not opposed to his visit, especially if it included a trip to Jaffna.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/nedumaran-inaugurates-mullivaikkal-memorial/article5321273.ece

The controversial “Mullivaikkal Memorial” (Mullivaikkal Ninaivu Mutram), a private monument built in memory of Tamils who had sacrificed their lives in the past, was declared open by P. Nedumaran, president of Ulaga Thamizhar Peramaippu, here on Wednesday.
The memorial was inaugurated after the Madurai Bench of the Madras High Court gave permission on Tuesday.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 07 Nov 2013 17:56

Philip wrote:A memorial is now being built in Madurai ostensibly for the victims of the war,but in reality which will glorify the LTTE in the future.We will soon have a proliferation of such "memorials" in TN as the Eelamists take over the state in course of time.

Oh, is it? Am not following this particular bit of news. So is TN on its way to become another J&K with separatist tendencies?

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 07 Nov 2013 19:17

is TN on its

My rquest is : Please delete your post.It is a flame bait,inadvertently,I think.Such questions are provocative,pointless,out of place in our forum.Deletion of said post will spare all of us a lot of noise and nonsense.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Nov 2013 09:13

I'm sorry,it is not.I have been a front -bench observer of the Lankan situ for 30+ years ,with an intimate knowledge of the issues and events that have affected Indo-Lankan and TN relations.The activities of the Eelamists in TN is a very worrying issue.A statue of Rajiv G was defaced just a few days ago and a memorial glorifying the LTTE has sprung up in southern TN.The Eelam/Lankan Tamil diaspora is now attempting to use TN as a launching pad for resurrecting the movement despite recent elections in the north of the island and the installation of a Tamil CM.Acts of violence by TN Eelamists damaging govt. property and their involvement in the KKMNPP agitations are well known.I have been prophetic on Lanka several times before,especially about the resurgence of the LTTE in TN predicted a few years ago .I maintain,if we do not tale corrective measures,the infiltration of the LTTE into the TN political scene will be irreversible and will achieve the grand strategy of some great powers who used the LTTE in the Lanka civil war to carve out an enclave which would be used by foreign powers to destabilise India.If the Eelamists take over TN's politics,then Eelam would've been achieved in India itself without a shot being fired and the Balkanisation of India,which the west has often predicted will be a real possibility with weak coalitions at the Centre being unable to deal with the myriad security threats affecting India from within and without!

Sri Lanka has become a hotbed of Chinese and Paki/ISI activity inimical to India .Indian interaction with the GOSL to resolve several issues is vital for both our national security and the genuine aspirations of all Lankan Tamils.We now have even the British PM going to visit Jaffna (is he reading BR?) after the CHOGM ,while the Indian puppet PM waits for instructions from his "High Command" to give him his boarding pass! Cameron's visit should be viewed with concern.The British govt. has allowed the Eelamists to squat in Britain in safe havens to plot their diabolic activities in the island and against India.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Nov 2013 09:53

How can the assault and murder of that woman isaipriya be justified. How many Tamil women suffered this fate? For short term gains and cynicism, should India ignore this blatant violation of human rights by the SLA?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 08 Nov 2013 10:44

Karan M wrote:How can the assault and murder of that woman isaipriya be justified. How many Tamil women suffered this fate? For short term gains and cynicism, should India ignore this blatant violation of human rights by the SLA?

undoubtedly, the ltte goons were all angelic schoolkids. aunty isaipriya was also a lt col in the ltte hierarchy.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 08 Nov 2013 17:11

svenkat wrote:
is TN on its
My rquest is : Please delete your post.It is a flame bait,inadvertently,I think.Such questions are provocative,pointless,out of place in our forum.Deletion of said post will spare all of us a lot of noise and nonsense.

I have not said it inadvertently, let me make that very clear. Its not a flame bait but a genuine question. The LTTE has killed Indian soldiers if you recollect and also killed a former Indian PM. If there is support for LTTE in TN and if it is growing, that is a genuine question to ask.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 08 Nov 2013 18:34

merlin wrote:
Philip wrote:A memorial is now being built in Madurai ostensibly for the victims of the war,but in reality which will glorify the LTTE in the future.We will soon have a proliferation of such "memorials" in TN as the Eelamists take over the state in course of time.
Oh, is it? Am not following this particular bit of news. So is TN on its way to become another J&K with separatist tendencies?

like it or not, Can anyone deny that TN has always had separatist tendencies??

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 09 Nov 2013 05:30

This will all fade away. These tamil separatists are cry babies. Nothing will happen in TN. People are more focused on elections which are around the corner. As for that whimp of PM that we have, they could care less if he attends or not. They are probably waiting for Modi as much as we are.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 09 Nov 2013 08:17

NDTV reported MMS not going to SL. DMK influence.

While I fully endorse that SL must be taught a lesson, MMS not going to SL really does not achieve anything much.

Oh there we go again, the ebil tamilians are going to split away from India - it will join Pakistan and have a capital city in China. I think India should invade Tamil Nadu, and teach tamilians a lesson as well - convert them into Hindus and teach them all Hindi....oh wait a minute. Never mind....

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 09 Nov 2013 11:28

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/karunanidhi-insists-india-should-boycott-chogm/article5329739.ece

“I once again reiterate my demand that neither the Prime Minister nor anyone from India participate in the conference,” he told reporters here on Friday.

The Prime Minister has his conscience and let him act according to it.”Mr. Karunanidhi said

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 09 Nov 2013 18:30

When I was last in TN a year back Velupellai son was a dead hero with his photo in on the walls everywhere. TN politicos and even a small section of public do not understand that SL is a saparate nation etc and LTTE is a evil terror gang. It is contest between both parties with people like Vaiko playing games in between. Time to call their bluff has come and gone long back. With elections in few months there is no need for MMS to bow like this to blackmail. If he does not go may be CM of Oddissa and WB should go and meet RP and SL leadership. After all they have close cultural relationship with SL. Why not.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 10 Nov 2013 00:52

True joke by a sardar himself.He said that MMS is a unique sardar.When asked why,he said that "we sardajis are well known for our big b*lls.He is unique because he has none!"

So MMS has caved in.A great pity.Just watch the fallout once the CHOGM is over.The Chinese and David Cameron must be celebrating with champagne.India has yet again shamefully abdicated its role in SL and now even within the CW community.This gutless,spineless,shameless object of derision has done incalculable damage to the security of India,in effect,far worse than the worst acts of Jai Chand and Mir Jafar.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 10 Nov 2013 08:20

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/pm-to-skip-chogm/article5333335.ece

Bowing to political pressure, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will not be attending the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) beginning on Friday in Colombo, highly placed government sources have said.

Meanwhile, a senior Congress functionary stressed on Saturday that it was not important for the Prime Minister to attend CHOGM, especially if it went against the sentiments of a section of the Indian population — the people of Tamil Nadu, in this case. For the Congress, with a difficult election ahead in 2014, the goodwill of potential alliance partners is of paramount concern.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 10 Nov 2013 08:54

chetak wrote:
Karan M wrote:How can the assault and murder of that woman isaipriya be justified. How many Tamil women suffered this fate? For short term gains and cynicism, should India ignore this blatant violation of human rights by the SLA?
undoubtedly, the ltte goons were all angelic schoolkids. aunty isaipriya was also a lt col in the ltte hierarchy.

So that justifies her molestation and murder? Have you even considered what you wrote? Is this what the Indian armed forces would do if faced with a similar opponent? They hold themselves to higher standards for giggles?

The SLA has undoubtedly committed warcrimes on an industrial scale, and it deserves investigation about how many innocents suffered this fate. Your premise is that all this is ok because "ltte goons were all angelic schoolkids" and "aunty isaipriya was a lt col in the LTTE hierarchy". So two wrongs make a right, and we, who have many Tamil folks should cheer this on. If Hindus get similarly assaulted and molested in Bangladesh and Pakistan, we should feel likewise?

Its one thing to have held war tribunals and even have executed many of the most dangerous ltte folks. Here the SLA assaulted tamil women, murdered them after having their way, which is nothing but pure and simple sadism and you are attempting to justify it.

Seriously just go back and think about what you wrote and how it comes across.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 10 Nov 2013 09:01

chetak wrote:like it or not, Can anyone deny that TN has always had separatist tendencies??

and is tn somehow unique in india for having "separatist tendencies" - your oversimplification of their desire to protect their identity and culture. c'mon- at one time or the other, many states have felt p*ssed off at the stuff coming from nai dilli.
most tamils are proud indians. you neither do them or india any service by making such comments.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Nov 2013 10:20

Karan M wrote:
chetak wrote:{quote="Karan M"}How can the assault and murder of that woman isaipriya be justified. How many Tamil women suffered this fate? For short term gains and cynicism, should India ignore this blatant violation of human rights by the SLA?{/quote}

undoubtedly, the ltte goons were all angelic schoolkids. aunty isaipriya was also a lt col in the ltte hierarchy.
So that justifies her molestation and murder? Have you even considered what you wrote? Is this what the Indian armed forces would do if faced with a similar opponent? They hold themselves to higher standards for giggles?

The SLA has undoubtedly committed warcrimes on an industrial scale, and it deserves investigation about how many innocents suffered this fate. Your premise is that all this is ok because "ltte goons were all angelic schoolkids" and "aunty isaipriya was a lt col in the LTTE hierarchy". So two wrongs make a right, and we, who have many Tamil folks should cheer this on. If Hindus get similarly assaulted and molested in Bangladesh and Pakistan, we should feel likewise?

Its one thing to have held war tribunals and even have executed many of the most dangerous ltte folks. Here the SLA assaulted tamil women, murdered them after having their way, which is nothing but pure and simple sadism and you are attempting to justify it.

Seriously just go back and think about what you wrote and how it comes across.

Relax, Karan M ji, and don't get all sanctimonious. My statement was sarcastic.

War is a dirty business whichever way you look at it.

The lankans have successfully overcome a vicious terrorist organisation, done what many countries in the world could not do and certainly some unwanted incidents would have taken place, exactly like in cashmere.

Some of us have had the dubious privilege of seeing at first hand a few of the kindly ministrations of the ltte and their oftentimes tender interactions with their own Tamil people.

We have also seen how they treated the Indians who went over to help.

"committed warcrimes on an industrial scale". You don't know the half of it.

compared to the ltte, the lankans were/are mere babes in the woods. The ltte has treated the tamils far worse than the lankans can ever do in ten lifetimes. I am not justifying anything but merely pointing out that shit happens, period.

How come no one is pushing for investigations of the war crimes of the ltte or is all forgiven and forgotten because some old reprobate TN politicians have got their mundus in a twist?? or that the EJ press is playing down the other side of the coin??

The Indian Army is being accused of the very same thing in cashmere. Doesn't mean that I am going swallow bullshit purveyed by EJ terrorist film makers or by islamic terrorist "children" throwing stones.

Phillip ji has warned of the revival of the ltte in Tamil Nadu. It is very much happening as we speak because we do not know how to differentiate between "our" Tamils and the other tamils. The ltte now has in Tamilnadu what it did not have earlier, open political support that can be demonstrated on the street without fear of reprisal from any quarter either from the central or the state government. The EJs have cunningly parlayed the elections to do their dirty work.

Don't push the lankans beyond a point. As far as their tamils are concerned, politely speaking, "our father's nothing goes". If we can accommodate 15 million bangladeshis, surely we can get all the lankan tamils to India and look after them, After all we have free food, free education and MNREGA too.

Foreign policy is the exclusive prerogative of the center, had the center balls of any size. A lot of us did not want MMS speaking to the pakis, did the center listen?? The numbers who do not want MMS talking to the pakis is very much greater than a few thousand tamils in TN.

Pity that MMS does not see a nobel prize here. This petty minded man has subverted the nation's good for his own party's good.

And finally if the kangress cared anything about the persecuted Hindus in bangladesh or pakistan our country would have reacted very much differently than it has done so far, so please don't fool yourself.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Nov 2013 10:28

Karan M wrote:
chetak wrote:like it or not, Can anyone deny that TN has always had separatist tendencies??
and is tn somehow unique in india for having "separatist tendencies" - your oversimplification of their desire to protect their identity and culture. c'mon- at one time or the other, many states have felt p*ssed off at the stuff coming from nai dilli.
most tamils are proud indians. you neither do them or india any service by making such comments.

Karan M ji, read up on the good Bishop Robert Caldwell (1814–1891) for some idea on identity and culture and their manipulation, thereof.

Also.........

Chasing Chimeras - Mythical vote catch of Lankan issues
09/11/2013 14:04:28 Aron

For a long time the Hindu Nationalist movement had to struggle to gain traction with the Dravidian ideology infested Tamil Nadu political landscape.

Traditional Nationalist voter base hovers around 15% to 30% and went with Indian National Congress- while the two Dravidian ideological entities split the rest of the cake between themselves.

Challengers to this three way division such as PMK and DDMK resort to alternate contenders of Clean Governance but could not improve scores to unsettle the equation.

Minor chunks were earlier possible to be cut off the pie only through Casteist politics- such as that of Vanniar Caste Hindu PMk and Dalit VCK.

Even that faded in time and they have lost their former hold on respective Caste constituency.
The Congress losing its Nehru scion of Rajiv Gandhi in a LTTE terror strike has come in full circle and demonstrates the mindless mouthing of LTTE porpoganda as Lankan Tamils issues.

It had earlier joined the assembly vote for a Resolution for Tamil Eelam, a demand on behalf of those who have never given them any representation rights to speak for them.

Now P Chidambaram a Cabinet Minister begins a lament to his Prime Minister for attending the Commonwealth event.

In the right scheme of things as they would have us beleive- the Sri Lanka must be Ostracised by international community and boycotted.

Instead of India working closer and rebuilding the Tamils' future for good.

THE METHOD IN THE MADNESS- IT IS TAMIL NADU THEY ARE TARGETTING

But there is a method in all their seeming madness.

Each time for a political expedient Lankan issue will be passed around the table- unfailingly a new ' scoop' about some alleged War Crime from Channel 4 will be the starter.

With almost all the top LTTE leadership's wives and family attesting to humane treatments they recieved such as Col. Susai's wife who expresses gratitude for way the Lankan regime handled them, the rank of former fighters and cadres fully rehabilitated in new productive lives weaned from destructive pursuits, with marriages arranged for them and new occupations, Channel 4 does have limited stock in demonising material.

If it was Prabakaran's son Balachandran last time around, it is Tamil Selvi the newsreader back now as the new emotional pivot.

This despite that story having been debunked already since years- that she was a fighter in the list and held a rank and certainly was not a civilian casualty.

The LTTE since it used to surprise Lankan soldiers with human bombs concealed in their bodies, they were stripped and checked by women soldiers- these clips were naturally presented as proof of rapes- but this explanation was accepted by Independent and UN agencies.

Daya Master the media head of LTTe had exposed the origin of the 'shocking' visuals Channel 4 has circulated-as to how the LTTE used Lankan army fatigues and executed both rival rebel outfit's fighters as well as Tamil and Sinhalese civilians and how these pictures were deployed to infuse fear and horror towards the Lankan army and Sinhalese as a people.

Meanwhile, the political need of the Tamil Nadu politics to exploit the Lankan Tamils' issue has little objectivity to consider both sides of the story.

Rather resorts to the Lanka-Phobia with some little help from well timed Channel 4 myths, handful of Student crowd gatherers with no idea of the dimensions of the problem, and plenty of LTTE money.

The same set of actors play out different acts- if it was American Resolution against Lanka and UN enquiry then, now it is the Common wealth Game and Meet.

The same LTTE propagandists at media, the same old Loyola College and its Jesuit student activism, same Channel 4 where the 4 is the insignia of Greek Cross.

The Lankan Tamils would have none of this and have clearly told the Tamil nadu politicos to stop meddling with their lives and dictating their destiny to the given script of LTTE separatism and resumption of conflict.

Still, the rebuffed Tamil Nadu politicos pretend as though they havent heard and actually still have some cause at hand.

Since Lankan Tamils do not want to go back to the barbarous age of the LTTE, all this can have only intended target-

Tamil nadu and its gullible masses and callous political parties, who were earlier able to reject Dravida Naadu to be persuaded in stages to take to an Insurrection and Tamil Separatist movement.

WHILE POST-EELAM LANKAN TAMILS BECOME FEDERAL NATIONALISTS, AT INDIA NATIONALISTS TURN TO SEPERATISM

As former LTTE arms procurer and overseas head K Pathmanathan jibed, Vai Gopalsamy aka Vaiko sought to inherit DMK's leadership but foiled by their choice of Stalin and got evicted.

Since he was not a tamil but a telugu Naidu, Pathmanathan points out why he resorted to obssess with the Lankan Tamils issue in order to gain credentials as a Tamil leader.

Other such contenders to Tamil Lankan Issue as a vote catching device, such as VCK and PMK only proved through repeated defeats in elections that the Lankan Tamils' issue had never any appeal or paid any political dividends.

However the issue was kept simmering as an emotional mobilization drive of cadres and youth from time to time, such as DMK's sudden passion for Eelam to justify a disgraceful exit from UPA alliance over its corruption scandals.

This is where the fishing in troubled waters begins-

After the decimation of LTTE at the close of Lankan Civil war at Vanni, the remnants of LTTE still in possession of hoarded gold and funds began its quest for regrouping.

The Lankan war was replete with human rights violations and collateral damages, but by both the sides.

The decision of LTTE to hold on to civilians as human shields till they forced through their fighters' encirclement at nandikadal beach is something never mentioned by the champions of Eelam at Tamil Nadu.

The Rehabilitation after the war was appreciated by United Nation's visiting observers and even the critics of Lankan regime.

During all this the nationalist BJP failed to obtain its own clear view of the issue and started after the mythical Lankan issue as if that would launch Nationalist BJP at Tamil Nadu by back doors via this appeal to Seperatism.

It started to mime the LTTE propagandists and join blindly the Death chant to Rajapakse.

Ironically, the Tamil National Alliance was forced to deal with the different ground reality at Lanka's tamil areas.

If we bear in mind fact that TNA was the only official political wing of the LTTE, their change of political course should if anything serve as an eye opener.

The Tamils who lived through incessant conflict of over three decades of Tamil Separatist domination over their lives had little appetite left for any resumption of Separatist ideas that could resume conflict with Lankans.

The recruitment of child soldiers had completely turned the tamils in LTTE controlled areas against any suggestion of revival of LTTE or its politics of terror and intimidation.

This change of Tamil mass psyche against Separatism and choice for Nationalism and Democratic Pluralist Federalism went completely unnoticed by the Hindu Nationalists.

Instead of welcoming that wiser choice towards peaceful reconciliation and Federal resolution of issues democratically, the BJP at Tamil Nadu let itself be carried away by the myth makers' shows.

If Lankan tamil issues ever had any broad support base at Tamil Nadu, Vaiko must have been the chief minister but he arrived at such a pathetic marginalisation that he and his Party stopped contending elections.

Impressed by the LTTE propgandists' monopolisation of media space, BJP began courting him eagerly and started brandishing his lavish praise as an endorsement to cherish.

But the Nationalist voter base had meantime swung to BJP from Congress like elsewhere outside Tamil Nadu.

Narender Modi's image as an achiever, an Icon of resurgent Indian nationalism was happening nation wide tumultously.

The unthinkable acceptance of Hindutva as a positive instead of a Libel lead to vibrant receptions especially from the youth disenchanted with the communal demonisation and corruption.

At Tamil Nadu BIP, the clueless courting of Tamil Separatists keeps up the myth of Tamil Separatist pet issues that fetch nothing but lost deposits for the likes of Vaiko.

HINDUTVA MISSES A HISTORIC OPPURTUNITY TO DISCREDIT DRAVIDIAN TAMIL SEPERATISM

What was missed was a crucial chance and historic opportunity to debunk the Dravidian ideology as promotive of Racist ideas leading to bloody ethnic strife and civil wars and harbinger of doom to tamil society by showcasing the horrors of LTTE.

After all the entire lankan civil war and fight for a separate Eelam was a logical extension of Dravida Naadu demand of Dravidian parties, that was rejected by Tamils here.

Its sponsors were arch enemies of Hindu Nationalism- the Liberation theology of LTTE were same derivatives of Jesuit Dravidian ideologues like Bishop Caldwell as were the Justice Party and the Dravidar Kayagam.

By chasing a mythical Lankan Tamils issue as a vote catcher, the Hindu Nationalists of BJP Tamil Nadu missed the opportunity of course correcting history of tamil politics.

Instead of ideologically exposing the toxicity of Dravidian separatism, in the context of its deadly fall outs at Lanka where it wrecked the Tamil society there and ruined their lives, it persists on miming the Dravidian Tamil ethnic separatist rhetoric.

By towing the line of Lingo-Ethnic Separatist logic, at a time when it must vigorously expose its lethal aftermaths, Hindu Nationalists at Tamil nadu are digging the grave of nationalism and themselves.

While TNA chief minister at Lanka appeals to Indian participation at Commonwealth summit, the nationalists demand a boycott.

By rejecting both the democratic will of Lankan Tamils and the Federal choice of Nationalism by TNA, they have allowed the Tamil polity at India to be decoupled from the reality on the ground at Lankan Tamil Diaspora.

What in effect the tamil politicians are doing is not championing any rebuilding of the tamils' lives at Lanka- for that requires actually closer cooperation and Indian investments.

What this dangerous mime of Tamil separatism is up to,is to prepare afresh the Tamil land to sow a Nagaland-like separatist movement and an insurrection.

It goes without saying then that though BJP will do overall well outside of Tamil Nadu, thanks to upbeat Nationalism by arrival of Modi, at Tamil Nadu it will dampen the nationalist wave.

It may in theory enable Separatists like Vaiko to hijack the Wave or infiltrate the Nationalist government with LTTE revivalist script.

More probable is both the Hindu Nationalist BJP and its strange bedfellow of Tamil separatists, will beat the trend of Indian General elections of 2014.

Defying the Modi Nationalist wave in its favor all over India this chase after Tamil Seperatist appeal will flop.

They might be cast aside in the heap sidelined just as Vaiko is accustomed to with lost deposits.

Nevertheless, in the interest of Nationalism and future integrity of India, at Tamil Nadu this dangerous mimic of Tamil separatist rhetoric be queried by the Sangh.

The Hindu Nationalists be told to evolve their own Nationalist perspective of Lankan tamil issue, giving the due respects to the sentiments of Lankan Tamils there and their democratic choice of Federalist Unitarian Nationalism.

Already the Tamil fringe groups have begun attacks on ethnic minorities, Millitary installations and convoys of Indian Army and hurling petrol bombs on Post Offices and percieved National symbols.

This dangerous mime of Tamil Separatism must be put to an end before it is too late and Tamil Nadu drift towards another Nagaland.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 10 Nov 2013 14:28

chetak wrote:Relax, Karan M ji, and don't get all sanctimonious. My statement was sarcastic.

Sanctimonious? Your posts come across as making light of the rampant molestation and murders of civilians and women and would rather it is ignored?

while a proud hindu, you are ok, with whats happening to sri lankan tamils most of whom happen to be hindu, at the hands of sinhala revanchists, who proudly videotape their antics and excuse it as shit happens in war, india does likewise in cashmere etc.???

Like it or not, whats happening to the tamilians at the hands of sri lankans is sickening. Like I said, go back and check your earlier posts and how they come across.

for hecks sake, i respect your opinion and all, but go ahead and do some looking around. whats happening in SL is not some EJ sponsored, LTTE aided propoganda. these warcrimes apart, tamil women are being attacked by SL goons even after the LTTE war is over.

its pure and simple bigotry and now the LTTE is not around, tamil women are fair game.

War is a dirty business whichever way you look at it.

Ah, which is why professional armies have professional standards and adhere to small things such as the Geneva convention right?
Tell me again, how many sri lankans did the IPKF assault and murder like this? if you can't see the difference...

The lankans have successfully overcome a vicious terrorist organisation, done what many countries in the world could not do and certainly some unwanted incidents would have taken place, exactly like in cashmere.

so now you are comparing to cashmere..
when was the last time Indian soldiers and officers deliberately took women and others captive during a war and then a) molested them b) executed them?

sirji you are scoring own goals on the indian armed forces commitment to discipline. given that you were once a member of the aforesaid force, it just speaks volumes how your dislike of the LTTE seems to have taken over any and every bit of prudence in your zeal to defend the indefensible.

Some of us have had the dubious privilege of seeing at first hand a few of the kindly ministrations of the ltte and their oftentimes tender interactions with their own Tamil people.

and so that justifies the same tamil people being brutalized yet again by the SLA?

We have also seen how they treated the Indians who went over to help.

and here lies the crux of the issue. the fact that the ltte and ipkf engaged in a vicious fight and finally that all whats happening gives you a sense of schadenfreude. all very well, except that what the SLA is doing is indefensible.

"committed warcrimes on an industrial scale". You don't know the half of it.

i wouldn't want to either. seeing what the SLA is doing, is bad enough.

compared to the ltte, the lankans were/are mere babes in the woods. The ltte has treated the tamils far worse than the lankans can ever do in ten lifetimes. I am not justifying anything but merely pointing out that shit happens, period.

well if you are not justifying anything, why the stuff about how bad the LTTE was, in response to evidence of women prisoners being assaulted and murdered, unecessarily bringing in "cashmere"..

merely shit happens.

just that shit in the case of the SLA seems to be pretty well organized, includes women captives being assaulted, murdered and then video footage being taken in the process.

How come no one is pushing for investigations of the war crimes of the ltte or is all forgiven and forgotten because some old reprobate TN politicians have got their mundus in a twist?? or that the EJ press is playing down the other side of the coin??

sirji, who the f.. cares what EJs think or TN politicians think. stop equivocating and answer simply. do war crimes by the SLA which involve rampant assaults on tamil women and executions therein deserve investigation and censure or not. no equivocation about EJs, TN reprobates, evil LTTE etc. answer yes or no.

if yes, that is it.

all this equivocation only gives the EJs and what not a chance to stick up for the very people you are chucking aside.

The Indian Army is being accused of the very same thing in cashmere. Doesn't mean that I am going swallow bullshit purveyed by EJ terrorist film makers or by islamic terrorist "children" throwing stones.

the indian army does not have tons of videographed evidence of unclothed tamil women around with bullet wounds after having caught alive. the indian army investigates each and every incident of even minor HR abuse and ruthlessly punishes the perpetrators.

in 1971, the indian army did not take revenge on pakistani prisoners of war and their families for the actions of other pakistanis.

in your dislike of the ltte, a)you are making unnecessary comparisons by comparing the kind of rubbish the SLA has done, with the indian army, which is clearly a far more professional force and b) you are coming up with equivocation

Phillip ji has warned of the revival of the ltte in Tamil Nadu. It is very much happening as we speak because we do not know how to differentiate between "our" Tamils and the other tamils. The ltte now has in Tamilnadu what it did not have earlier, open political support that can be demonstrated on the street without fear of reprisal from any quarter either from the central or the state government. The EJs have cunningly parlayed the elections to do their dirty work.

yeah, i lived through an era when the khalistani movement was revived and yet punjab remained part of india. we have seen enough ej activity in other parts of south india that matches tn, its no exception. there are enough issues throughout india in terms of poverty, maoism and what not and india is still together and will improve with decisive leadership if the UPA goes

sorry, i dont buy the hyperbole expressed by philip et al that tn is now LTTE central and will secede.

Don't push the lankans beyond a point. As far as their tamils are concerned, politely speaking, "our father's nothing goes". If we can accommodate 15 million bangladeshis, surely we can get all the lankan tamils to India and look after them, After all we have free food, free education and MNREGA too.

for your father nothing may go, when it comes to those tamils. for other tamils, they may feel that their ethnic kin are being discriminated against and they have a right, a democratic one to feel upset. same as every indian on this board gets upset when nris or people of indian origin get discriminated against.

by doing this sort of argument, you effectively do make the point that tamilians in india need to be purer than driven snow, and on top of it open them up for exploitation to EJs and all sorts of other agencies who claim to feel for them.

think about that.

not buying your "dont push the sri lankans stuff" at all. on the contrary, an assertive india could do far more and make the SL quake in their boots, EJ or no EJ.

Foreign policy is the exclusive prerogative of the center, had the center balls of any size. A lot of us did not want MMS speaking to the pakis, did the center listen?? The numbers who do not want MMS talking to the pakis is very much greater than a few thousand tamils in TN.

if the center does something idiotic that makes the other indians unhappy, the others have every right to hold the center accountable.

you are again confused here.

two wrongs dont make a right.

just because mms is wrong in talking to the pakis does not mean that doing something wrong with SL is ok.

ity that MMS does not see a nobel prize here. This petty minded man has subverted the nation's good for his own party's good.

agree

And finally if the kangress cared anything about the persecuted Hindus in bangladesh or pakistan our country would have reacted very much differently than it has done so far, so please don't fool yourself.

sirji you are confused

you want center to care for persecuted hindus in bangladesh or pakistan. but dont want persecuted hindus in sri lanka to be helped. why? because they are being harmed in the name of the ltte, which had ej influence, and you dislike that organization. talk about own goals. so india will not help hindu tamilians, they will be then prone to ej influence and on top of it, when that happens you will blame the tamilians for being ej influenced.

look beyond your dislike of the ltte - they are dead, gone and kaput.
sri lankan tamilians remain.

they are a diaspora, and they are human beings. them being attacked, assaulted is not a good thing.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 10 Nov 2013 14:33

chetak wrote:Karan M ji, read up on the good Bishop Robert Caldwell (1814–1891) for some idea on identity and culture and their manipulation, thereof.

boss, there is not a single part of india which has not been attacked by or sought to be separated by EJs at one time or the other. by ignoring tamil anger at HR abuses by SLA and passing it off only as a gimmick/dravidian issue etc, you'd have nationalist hindus give over the entire space to the EJ/dravidian politics crowd plus make it apparent to many emotional tamils that claims of their interests being ignored by the center hold good.

never mind the ethical issues of being nicey nice to a SL which has an army which officially condones assault and murder of women/children on a mass scale. ltte did much the same, so whats the difference.. same same..

and seriously stop with the comparisons to the indian armed forces, you are doing them no credit with a comparison to these sadistic freaks who assault, murder and then gleefully take pictures of their victims.

i am not even tamil but the bizarreness of the argumentation - let the SL do anything to the tamils itz all ok, whereas at the same time decrying the influence of EJs etc who then appear as herrows to a battered, savaged population, while so called brave indics protectors of dharma and what not do nothing...is just amazing.

this is the same stuff which has seen our borders forever reduce while dharmics sit and navel gaze and talk of the center, where the diaspora starts more and more talking of its ethnic identity as versus indian identity and even within india, minorities are given preference, whereas ethnic groups/majority groups can go to the dawgs or be abused elsewhere.

by the same stds, everything was a-ok in 1971 as all the pakistani muslim army was doing was sorting out its "own bengali hindus".. and unless they started coming into indian refugee camps, no problemo. similarly, why bother about sikhs in NWFP paying jiziya or hindu women in sindh being abducted.. all ok, its pak problemo onlee.