Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

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One can't help but shake ones head in admiration for the Paki "Crore Commanders".They truly know how to skin a cat and on which side the roti needs to be buttered.The cat this time was none other than the head of the Paki Taliban,dear old Haki Mehsud,who has departed by an early DIA (Drone International Airlines) flight ,first class, for his promised 72 .But why at this moment in time? The answer my friends is $15B in aid for Pak,plus the down payment of $1.5B,announced just before the retirement of the Paki army chief,Gen.Kill-Any.He's made a cosy deal with his keeper in true rent boy fashion for his "retirement charity".Like Osama,Haki M. too has been betrayed as the Paki uniformed tribes swung both ways with his outfit.Using him to hit the Yanquis when required ,while turning a blind eye when he hit local targets,some of whom they wanted "departed".The fact that he was in talks with his comrades discussing negotiations with the Paki govt. shows that powerful forces wanted him out,due to his closeness with the Afghan Talibs who hate the Yanquis.Uncle Sam wants a quiet retreat -no cameramen to film his undignified plod home after yet again being routed by another nation of tribals this time,the last time it was peasants.

So Gen.Kill-Any "the Vulture" rides off ceremonially into the sunrise (Paki military leaders always have a new innings ahead after they've retired,like Gen.Bandicoot,the Mush-a-Rat") with a cool nest-egg,golden handshake worth at least ...well ,one speculates that even 1% of a down payment is a truly goodly sum! There was a Yanqui bounty of $5M on Mehsud's head ,but Kill-Any's services to Uncle Sam are worth far more than that measly sum.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/n ... one-strike

Pakistani Taliban leader Hakimullah Mehsud killed in CIA drone strike
Mehsud killed when missile struck compound in village near capital of North Waziristan

The CIA's secret drone campaign claimed one of its highest profile scalps on Friday with the killing of the chief of the Pakistani Taliban by an unmanned aircraft in the country's lawless tribal areas.

Hakimullah Mehsud, the feared leader of an alliance of militant groups attempting to topple the Pakistani state, was killed when a missile struck a compound in the village near the capital of North Waziristan, according to militant, US and Pakistani sources.

Although his death has been misreported in the past, informants in the tribal area said they were confident one of the country's most vicious militant leaders was dead.

"He was targeted as he was returning to his home from a nearby mosque where he had been holding discussions with his comrades," said a military officer based in a city close to the semi-autonomous Federally Administered Tribal Areas, which is home to many Islamist terrorist groups.

"He was right at his front door and at least three missiles were fired."

A senior US intelligence official told the Associated Press the US received positive confirmation on Friday morning that he had been killed.

Militant and official sources added that Mehsud's driver and bodyguard were also among a total of five people killed.

Although Mehsud's four year tenure as head of Pakistan's most feared militant group has been marked by horrific attacks that have killed scores of soldiers, government officials and civilians, his death looked set to spark fury among some politicians who believe the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) should be brought in to peace talks.

All political parties unanimously supported government attempts to negotiate with the TTP at a meeting in September. Just this week Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif announced that talks between the two sides had finally begun.
Pakistan map Credit: Guardian graphics

A government official claimed Mehsud had been discussing the matter with fellow fighters just before he was killed, while the Taliban said a government peace delegation was in Miran Shah at the time of the attack.

The country's rightwing religious parties are likely to interpret the drone strike as a deliberate attempt by the US to scupper peace talks with an organisation that swears allegiance to Mullah Omar, the leader of the Afghan Taliban, which fights against Nato troops in neighbouring Afghanistan.

Sharif, who held meetings with US president Barack Obama in Washington DC last week, has repeatedly called for an end to drone strikes, despite persistent suspicions that Pakistan continues to give secret backing to the attacks.

But the US was never likely to turn up an opportunity to kill Mehsud, the mastermind of a devastating suicide bomb attack on a CIA station in Khost province in eastern Afghanistan in 2009 in which seven CIA officers died.

The ingenious plot involved a Jordanian triple agent who the CIA believed was working for them but was in fact taking orders from Mehsud. The suicide bomber was ushered into the military base to brief CIA officers on al-Qaida, and detonated his explosive vest once he had reached the inside of the base.

Mehsud later appeared in a video alongside the Jordanian, who said he carried out the attack in retribution for the death of another former Pakistani Taliban leader, Baitullah Mehsud, who was killed in an American drone strike in August 2009.

Saifullah Mahsud, director of the Pakistani thinktank FATA Research Centre, said the movement was unlikely to be overly affected the killing of its leader.

"It's a very decentralised organisation," he said. "They've lost leaders to drone strikes before."

A burly man in his mid-30s who wore shoulder length hair, Hakimullah Mehsud became leader of the TTP following the killing of former leader and fellow tribesman Baitullah Mehsud.

Hakimullah Mehsud's death comes just weeks after the TTP chief took the risky and unusual step of granting an interview to a BBC cameraman who had travelled to Pakistan's lawless north-west.

The interview was conducted in open air despite the non-stop presence of drones in the sky.

Earlier on Friday Pakistan's foreign ministry condemned the drone attack as a "violation of Pakistan's sovereignty and territorial integrity".

In May, a drone strike killed Mehsud's second-in-command, and one of his most trusted lieutenants was captured in Afghanistan last month.
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Pakis will not let any terrorist's death go without outrage and mourning. Even if the said terrorist had attacked them.

http://dawn.com/news/1053417/imran-dema ... o-supplies
Imran demands immediate blockade of Nato supplies
Speaking to media representatives, he blamed the US for sabotaging efforts to establish peace in Pakistan by repetitive drone strikes in the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan. “Whenever initiative of peace talks are taken in the country, US drone strikes sabotage them,” he said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asi ... story.html
Drone kills Taliban chief Hakimullah Mehsud; Pakistan accuses U.S. of derailing peace talks
Pakistan’s Interior Minister, Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, issued a statement accusing the United States of carrying out “a conspiracy to sabotage the peace talks.’’
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Kamran Shafi’s op-ed in the Express Tribune dispensing gratuitous advice to India gets a thorough mauling in the comments section :

The utter madness of it all
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Anujan wrote:Rumors that Hakeemullah got his 72 in latest drone attacks. Apparently it was a huge gathering of who's who of the talibs and they had already informed Paki government of the gathering to discuss dialog offer. But they were still attacked.
My prediction: The Paki government will simply claim that it wasn't them that passed the intel and that the NSA tapped into their phone network and found out that way. Probably briefing their tame mullahs right now to preach that at the next religious sermons.
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ArmenT wrote:My prediction: The Paki government will simply claim that it wasn't them that passed the intel and that the NSA tapped into their phone network and found out that way. Probably briefing their tame mullahs right now to preach that at the next religious sermons.
ArmenT, your predicton may well be true. But, the TTP shall not be convinced. Pakis may deceive the rest of the world, but not the greener TTP.
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What is the meaning of Secular Extremists, is it equivalent of whiskey sipping generals of BRR or other? One thing is sure, If Mushy stays longer in Pakistan (even in Prison), the chances of Qadrification are more.
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^^ pukes don't have tactical battlefield warheads. It is a lie that they want entire world to believe in. Missiles are of Chinese origin without nuclear warheads :mrgreen: :((. Besides, it is time we avenge all the gruesome deaths of our martyrs as Army said at the time that we will choose our time and place. We cannot do Bol bacchan either.
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arun wrote:Kamran Shafi’s op-ed in the Express Tribune dispensing gratuitous advice to India gets a thorough mauling in the comments section :

The utter madness of it all
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This must be Jinnah's revenge from the grave! Pak is like Wonderland,rather "Blunderland",where black is white,good is bad,death is life,life is death,the enemy is your friend and your friend is the enemy.All funded by 3 powerful patrons,Uncle Sam,the Saudis and China.As said long ago,we need a fence of steel,mines,whatever,to simply "quarantine" Pak and let the entity destroy itself.

We have a similar problem brewing in Bangladesh.A pal in the know says that the US is trying to topple the Hasina govt. and put the anti-Indian Khalida back in the saddle-her regime has already threatened to drown India in terrorism and link up wiht the Chinese and cut-off the N-east.These are no idle threats.Unfortunately,on both fronts,the MMS regime appears determined to sink India by embracing those who hate us most.
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TTP vows 'unprecedented revenge' - ToI
The Pakistani Taliban on Saturday named Khan Syed Mehsud alias Sajna as its new chief, a day after a US drone strike killed its former leader Hakimullah Mehsud in the lawless North Waziristan tribal region.

The decision was taken at a meeting of the Tehrik-e- Taliban Pakistan's Shura (Council), media reports said.

Most of the members of the council were present in the meeting held at an undisclosed location though all could not attend it.

All 43 members of the Shura attending the meeting voted in favour of Sajna, militants sources were quoted as saying by Dawn News. It said the election was not confirmed by factions of the militant grouping.

Sajna, 36, is believed to have been involved in an attack on a naval base in Karachi and is credited with masterminding a 2012 jailbreak in which the Taliban freed nearly 400 inmates in the northwestern city of Bannu.

"Sajna has no basic education, conventional or religious, but he is battle-hardened and has experience of fighting in Afghanistan," an official had said earlier.

Sajna was heading the South Waziristan Taliban. The council considered four names for the top post, including Sajna, Umar Khalid Khurasani, Mullah Fazlullah and Ghalib Mehsud.

Mohmand Taliban chief Umar Khalid Khurasani was a strong contender as he was the only surviving senior commander who had directly led operations under Hakimullah.

Mullah Fazlullah, chief of the Swat Taliban, was another possible choice but he is currently in Afghanistan.

Hakimullah, in his mid 30s, and five other Taliban militants were killed and two others wounded on Friday when a US drone targeted a compound as he left a meeting in Danday Darpakhel area of North Waziristan.

They were buried on Saturday at undisclosed locations in different parts of North Waziristan.

Meanwhile, enraged at the killing of its top leader, the Taliban have vowed to take "unprecedented" revenge for the attack in which the militant group alleges the Pakistani government was also involved.

"Our revenge will be unprecedented," Abu Omar, a Taliban commander in North Waziristan, was quoted as saying by the New York Times report. Omar said he considered the Pakistani government was also "fully complicit" in the drone strike.

"We know our enemy very well," he said.
Security has been beefed up across Pakistan in wake of Hakimullah's killing.

"All precautions have been taken," Interior Ministry Spokesperson Omar Hameed Khan said. :rotfl:
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let the party begin !
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Pakistan will not let US drone strikes kill 'peace talks': Rashid, Federal Information Minister
The Pakistani government said Saturday it would not allow the death of Pakistani Taliban leader Hakimullah Mehsud in a US drone strike to derail proposed peace talks.

Federal Information Minister Pervez Rashid told reporters in Islamabad that the government wanted to press ahead with its plan to negotiate with Mehsud’s Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP).

“We can say that this time drone struck the peace talks but we will not let the peace talks die,” Rasheed said.


He said the process of peace should not stop despite the TTP chief’s death.

Mehsud was killed in a US drone strike in North Waziristan agency Friday evening, throwing the talks process into doubt a day after the government said it was taking steps to initiate dialogue.

Rashid said Pakistan was committed to peace through talks despite losing 40,000-50,000 civilians, soldiers, and police to militant violence.

“So I am sure that the other party will show the same spirit which we had shown,” he said.

Opposition politician Imran Khan condemned the drone strike as an attempt to “sabotage” peace efforts, and called for the federal government to block Nato supplies going through the country.

However, when asked by reporters, Rashid said blocking Nato supplies will not end drone strikes.

“We blocked Nato supplies in the past after (the incident at) Salala. Drone strikes did not stop then, and will not stop now,” he said.

When asked if the strike signified a failure of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s recent visit to the US, Rashid rejected the notion. “They are two separate, unrelated things. They should not be looked at in this way.”
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And the new amir-ul-talebunny is .... drumroll ... "Sajna" :shock:

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/meet- ... 131102.htm
The Pakistani Taliban on Saturday named Khan Syed Mehsud alias Sajna as its new chief, a day after a US drone strike killed its former leader Hakimullah Mehsud in the lawless North Waziristan tribal region.


The decision was taken at a meeting of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan's Shura (council), media reports said.
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"Sajna has no basic education, conventional or religious, but he is battle-hardened and has experience of fighting in Afghanistan," an official had said earlier.

Sajna was heading the South Waziristan Taliban.

The council considered four names for the top post, including Sajna, Umar Khalid Khurasani, Mullah Fazlullah and Ghalib Mehsud.
so they go and choose a guy whose name is basically 'loverboy'
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There are many BRF readers in Pakistan. Still there is a hope for Dharma to bloom again in Pakistan.

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SSridhar wrote:Pakistan will not let US drone strikes kill 'peace talks': Rashid, Federal Information Minister

“We can say that this time drone struck the peace talks but we will not let the peace talks die,” Rasheed said.[/b]

He said the process of peace should not stop despite the TTP chief’s death.

Mehsud was killed in a US drone strike in North Waziristan agency Friday evening, throwing the talks process into doubt a day after the government said it was taking steps to initiate dialogue.

Rashid said Pakistan was committed to peace through talks despite losing 40,000-50,000 civilians, soldiers, and police to militant violence.

“So I am sure that the other party will show the same spirit which we had shown,” he said.
so they go and choose a guy whose name is basically 'loverboy'
In the Land Of Violent Extremists (LOVE), it is but natural that the piss process is uniterrupted and uninterrutable and talks for peace cannot be droned out!
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Somewhere, deep in the Nevada military facility,a drone is gently humming the below tune :mrgreen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGa3QhbFKsg
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muharram/self flagellation season starts tomorrow - I feel it's going to be a bloody period for Pakistan, in more ways than one.
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manjgu wrote:let the party begin !
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http://www.dawn.com/news/1053627/pakist ... says-nisar
Pakistan to review US ties after ‘attack on peace,’ says Nisar
GHSLAMABAD: Calling the drone strike that killed Pakistani Taliban chief Hakimullah Mehsud on Friday “an attack on regional peace by America,” Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan Saturday said bilateral ties with the US will now be reviewed.Speaking to a press conference after concluding a high level meeting at the interior ministry, he vowed to raise the matter at international forums including the United Nations. The minister said that five permanent members of the UN Security Council will also be contacted on the issue.He said an urgent meeting of the Cabinet Committee on National Security (CCNS) has been called to review bilateral cooperation and ties with the US. The meeting is expected to take place in next two to three days upon return of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif from London, he added.Mehsud, along with at least four other militants, was killed when a US drone targeted his car in the North Waziristan tribal area of Pakistan near the Afghan border.Speaking to both local and foreign media today, Nisar said the identity of those killed in the drone strike was irrelevant. “The government of Pakistan does not see this drone attack as an attack on an individual but as an attack on the peace process,” he said.The interior minister said a three-member committee, comprising of Islamic clerics, was scheduled to leave for a meeting with the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) leadership on Saturday morning.Claiming that TTP leadership including Hakimullah was aware of the meeting, he said he had written and telephonic records of recent correspondence between the government and the militant outfit.Earlier on Friday, Pakistani Taliban spokesman Shahidullah Shahid said the Taliban had “no contact” with the government, a day after Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif said a process to initiate peace talks had already begun.Chaudhry Nisar questioned timings of the Hakimullah’s killing by the US asking why he was targeted just a day before the talks. “Can this be called supporting peace initiative?”He said the US ambassador was being summoned to serve a demarche and convey formal protest of the government over serious damage done to the dialogue process with Taliban by the drone attack.
Pakistan summons US envoy/Viceroy
Meanwhile, the Pakistani government summoned the US ambassador to protest over the death of TTP chief Mehsud.A statement from the Foreign Office said Friday's strike was “counter-productive to Pakistan's efforts to bring peace and stability to Pakistan and the region.”It has also been decided to instruct our Ambassadors in the Capitals of the P-5 member states to call at an appropriate level to brief the host Governments on our concerns, with specific reference to the setback caused to the Government’s peace process initiative by the latest drone attack,” the FO statement added.Since its creation six years ago, the TTP has killed thousands of civilians, soldiers and police in its bloody insurgency against the Pakistani state.It was also behind the attempt to kill schoolgirl education campaigner Malala Yousafzai in October last year.Pakistan routinely condemns drone strikes on its soil as a violation of sovereignty and counterproductive to efforts to end militancy, but Nisar's criticism of the US was unusually forthright
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The Hydra lives
http://www.dawn.com/news/1053623/the-hydra-lives
This Hydra is more than capable of growing back even more vicious heads. By all accounts, the new TTP chief is considered even more brutal, even more bloodthirsty than Hakimullah. That’s saying something, considering that his predecessors would make the most prolific of serial killers look tame. There is, of course the hopeful view that ‘Sajna’ will not be able to exert the kind of control that Hakimullah did, that he will not be able to browbeat those factions that are, or so we hear, amenable to dialogue. This is perhaps wishful thinking, as the same was said when Baitullah was killed. Much is made of reports, however dubious, that there is infighting among the various TTP groups but to date, these cracks, if they even exist, have made no tangible difference and it is unlikely that they will do so now. After all, what guarantee can Pakistan, which could not even protect the Maliks and Lashkars that took up arms against the TTP, give to a breakaway faction in case of retaliation? None at all.
In any case, one must understand that the only difference between the ‘good’ and the ‘bad’ Taliban is that the good ones will kill you last.What is more likely now is that the TTP will more closely embrace its more extreme allies: al Qaeda, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and the Chechens. What is likely now is that they will seek even more support from those foreign powers hostile to Pakistan and happy to fish in these troubled waters, and there is no shortage of those.If the death of Hakimullah is used as a jumping-off point for a comprehensive action against the Taliban – one that would include the use of force and propaganda aimed at splintering these networks – then we may see some progress. If our approach will, as in the past, be limited to hedging our bets and praying the monster under the bed will disappear then that will only lead to disaster. I hope for the best, but I fear the worst. You should too.
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arun wrote:Kamran Shafi’s op-ed in the Express Tribune dispensing gratuitous advice to India gets a thorough mauling in the comments section :

The utter madness of it all
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Pakistan : Modern state, traditional leadership

The state in Pakistan, as a modern institutional apparatus, has suffered from a longer-term downward spiral of movement into pre-modern ends and means of public policy in the past six-and-a-half decades.

Pakistan has moved from rule by a modernist leadership to rule by a traditionalist leadership. Modernists include Quaid-e-Azam, Liaquat, Ayub and Bhutto, among others. They were liberal in approach and globalist in worldview. Traditionalists, ranging from General Zia as the arch-traditionalist from yesterday to Imran Khan as a neoconservative leader in contemporary Pakistan, are introverted in approach and insular in worldview.

This transition ran along a parallel line, moving from separation of religion and politics to conflation between the two. The independence generation of leadership was supra-sectarian. The father of the nation belonged to the Shia minority, as did his two illustrious predecessors on top of the All-India Muslim League, Sir Agha Khan and Raja Sahib of Mehmudabad. Over time, this tradition of religious tolerance led to sectarian strife as the country moved to Sunni majoritarian nationalism from the 1980s onwards.

The new ideological mindset was bound to affect the formulation of sound political judgment and strategic calculations. The Afghanistan-savvy generals led by General Hamid Gul learnt the wrong lesson out of the resistance movement against the Red Army that the mujahideen could push India out of Kashmir since they had pushed Moscow out of Kabul. The fact that one super state had got the other out by using local manpower was totally missed out. This led to a fruitless engagement across the border at a great human and diplomatic cost from 1989 to 2003.

Pakistan was born as a pro-Western state, ruled by a cosmopolitan elite. It set two goals for itself — democracy and development. Both goals were immersed in a futurist agenda. Half a century later, the country finds itself anti-Western, along with a commitment to reviving the political system of early Islamic history. The believing mind is taking over the planning mind. The future is giving way to the past as the focus of the political agenda.

The strident march of insularity has led to shrinkage of the diplomatic universe available to the country. Gone are the days of official visits of leaders from Washington, Moscow, London and Paris, even Tehran and Kuala Lumpur. Pakistan has become isolated not only from the larger world but also from the region of South Asia itself, where it has no friends except China. There is a steep decline from the days of the 1974 Islamic summit when scores of world leaders descended on Lahore.

A decade of terrorism on the soil of Pakistan after 9/11 has cost it in the form of acute distrust of the world community. It has been accused of training terrorists, exporting terrorism and funding such banned organisations as LeT/JD. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s encounter with the House Foreign Relations Committee during his recent visit to Washington fully exposed the gap of understanding between the two sides. Lack of appreciation for the diplomatic world’s sensibilities is the hallmark of the current generation of state managers in Pakistan and its support base in the urban middle class.
For decades now, political discourse has been moving from an interest-based to identity-based approach to politics at home and abroad. Not surprisingly, education by textbooks and the media has created a dichotomous worldview that was based first on a mini-clash of civilisations between India and Pakistan, and then on a global war between Islam and the West.

The diplomatic community accuses Pakistan of breaking every rule in the statute book : the national interest and not religion as the defining variable of the state in the post-Westphalia world system; no role for non-state actors, especially after the Cold War; no compromise on the counterterrorism agenda; war or war-like posturing, not the first but the last option, for conducting international relations; and self-segregation from the comity of nations not a viable option.

When General Zia pursued his Islamisation programme to use it as a source of divine legitimacy for his illegal regime, he created a rival contender for power for the state itself. Islamic laws and institutions challenged the established laws and institutions of the state from the superior position of the faith. The state’s legal-institutional apparatus has been crackling down ever since under the pressure of the Islamic lobby. Loyalty to religion can supersede loyalty to the state as a logical corollary of ideologisation of attitudes.

This process was most obvious in the case of the judiciary. Justice Kaikaus and Justice Tanzilurrehman, among others, supported the legal battle to eliminate the 1973 Constitution altogether as an un-Islamic body of laws. Others from the bar and the bench cast a grim shadow on the legitimacy and credibility of the lawful authority of the state in the face of the alternative and morally superior model of Islam.

A similar process of Islamisation has been vehemently pursued in the armed forces from the 1980s onwards. In several cases, commitment to faith overtook the commitment to institution. Musharraf’s somersault in policy vis a vis the Taliban led to some of the ex-military personnel to attack his convoy, the GHQ and other military installations during the following years.
Mixing of religion and politics has led to a meshing of legal ideas and political norms that has adversely affected the erstwhile coherent writ of the state. The Taliban, who want to dismantle the current — allegedly un-Islamic — state on way to establishing the rule of sharia are very clear in their strategic objectives. On the other hand, their traditionalist supporters from within the modern state system, who press for negotiations with them or support them in other ways, are totally unclear.

The two sets of obligations, one to the state and the other to religion, have led to the current social, political, legal and administrative paralysis. The state in Pakistan has been treading on a path laid out by the proponents of an alternative model of state while it continues to follow the classical constitutional route on the ground. Two formidable challenges stare it in the eye : stopping there and turning back.

The way out lies in growing out of the paranoia that the world is out to destroy Pakistan. Living as a pariah on the margins of the world community is highly dangerous. The way to security and prosperity lies — such as in the case of Russia and China — in integration with the global community, understanding and internalising its internal dynamics, adjusting with its value system and policy structure, and pursuing peace, not war, as a solution to its myriad problems.

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Killing of mehsud was a favour of US to TSP. I don't think it makes sense to believe that TSP did any favours to US
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manjgu wrote:let the party begin !
Not so fast my fellow brfite. This is purely a ruse by the pakistanians for pakistaning (again) the west into giving more material aid. Watch the battle cry "Bakistan khatrey mein hai" over the next six months followed by a dhamaka or two for good effect.
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Remittances from S Arabia to shrink by up to 30%
KARACHI : Remittances from Saudi Arabia will likely reduce by 20 to 30 percent and will dent Pakistan’s foreign exchange inflow by $1.0 billion as thousands of illegal Pakistani workers have not yet updated their statuses as per new Saudi labour laws while the Saudi Ministry of Labour has ruled out any extension in the amnesty period, which is ending today (Sunday).
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India seeks sovereign payment guarantees & sureties for exporting natural gas - Business Line

Horrible. How can India impose such conditions on a group of people who have the first right on resources of this land ? What nonsense is this ? Where is the Indian spirit of going more than half the distance ? When our little sister is in difficulties, can we make matters worse for her ? When will the small-hearted Hindu India learn to be generous ? Where is Mani Shankar Ayyar ? I am sure some babu in the ministry is doing all these without the knowledge of the Prime Minister and Mani Shankar Ayyar.
India has sought from Pakistan sovereign payment guarantees before it can sign a contract to export natural gas through a pipeline from Punjab.

State-owned gas utility GAIL India Ltd plans to initially supply 5 million standard cubic metres per day of gas to Pakistan through a 110-km pipeline from Jalandhar to international border near Atari.

But before GAIL enters into a gas supply contract with a Pakistani firm, New Delhi wants Pakistan to provide payment guarantees, sources privy to the negotiations said.

Five rounds of negotiations have been held between the two sides and it has been found technically feasible to export gas from Punjab into Lahore.

Besides sovereign guarantees, India wants sureties for three months payment and advance termination commitments, they said.

GAIL plans to import gas in its liquid form, called liquefied natural gas (LNG), on a port in Gujarat or Maharashtra. After converting this again into gaseous state, it is proposed to transport the gas through cross-country pipeline network to Jalandhar.

From Jalandhar, a 110—km line is proposed to be laid to international border near Atari for delivery to Pakistan.

Pakistan wants to import gas from India to meet its rising energy deficit. Initially, it wants to take 1—1.5 million tonnes of LNG. This can run a power plant of up to 1,200 MW.

Pakistan faces huge power deficits and its electricity generation capacity at about 20,000 MW is less than India’s generation capacity from renewable energy sources like wind.

Sources said pipeline exports to Pakistan are being looked upon as mode for testing viability of an energy pact with the neighbouring nation as a precursor to India importing gas through Turkmenistan—Afghanistan—Pakistan—India pipeline.

If this system of payments and guarantees works, then imports through the TAPI pipeline could be feasible.

Sources said the delivered price of gas will be up to $22.3 per million British thermal unit after including transportation charges and all taxes and duties.
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SSridhar wrote:India seeks sovereign payment guarantees & sureties for exporting natural gas - Business Line

Horrible. How can India impose such conditions on a group of people who have the first right on resources of this land ? What nonsense is this ? Where is the Indian spirit of going more than half the distance ? When our little sister is in difficulties, can we make matters worse for her ? When will the small-hearted Hindu India learn to be generous ? Where is Mani Shankar Ayyar ? I am sure some babu in the ministry is doing all these without the knowledge of the Prime Minister and Mani Shankar Ayyar.
SSridhar Ji :

(1) Where will Pakistan find the money to build a Gas Pipe Line from the Indian Border to the Point of use in Pakistan? As you well know they do not have the money to Build their Part of the Pipe Line from Iran.

(2) Five Million Cubic Metres of Natural Gas per day at US$ 22.3 / MMBTU would cost about US$ Four Million per Day.

(3) Pakistan will have to deposit about US$ 360 Million as Security Deposit.

(4) Pakistan will have to give Sovereign Guarantees for the Duration of the Contract.

You will agree with me that (1), (2) and (3) are beyond Pakistan's Capacity. In respect of (4) their Sovereign Guarantees are not worth the Paper the Guarantees are written on.

I appreciate your comment : I am sure some babu in the ministry is doing all these without the knowledge of the Prime Minister and Mani Shankar Ayyar.

All I can say is "Chance would be a Fine Thing" :rotfl:

Meantime : HEARTIEST GREETINGS ON THE AUSPICIOUS OCCASION OF DIWALI AND A HAPPY & PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR.

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Peregrine wrote:Remittances from S Arabia to shrink by up to 30%uote]KARACHI : Remittances from Saudi Arabia will likely reduce by 20 to 30 percent and will dent Pakistan’s foreign exchange inflow by $1.0 billion as thousands of illegal Pakistani workers have not yet updated their statuses as per new Saudi labour laws while the Saudi Ministry of Labour has ruled out any extension in the amnesty period, which is ending today (Sunday).
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India receives most remittance from Saudi Arabia
Saudi Arabia is the second most remittance sending country after the US and is estimated to have sent over USD 27.6 billion of outward remittance in 2012, Saudi Gazette newspaper has reported.
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If Pakistan splinters...
By Bharat Verma

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news ... splinters/
.…the migrant Muslims in West Asia (Middle East) while introducing themselves take pains to assert that they are Muslims from India and not Pakistan.The Chinese will suffer major setback, if dysfunctional Pakistan splinters in the near future.Many Malaysian Muslims will hasten to tell you that their country should not be compared to Pakistan. Or the migrant Muslims in West Asia (Middle East) while introducing themselves take pains to assert that they are Muslims from India and not Pakistan.The Union of India’s consolidation and integration as a nation will get a new fillip, as the distraction created by Pakistan in the name of religion is eliminated.Serious contradictions within Pakistan have pushed it in the pit of despair from where; it is almost impossible to recover. It is reported that many young Pakistanis out of sheer frustration are repudiating Islam and converting to other religions.Possibly, majority of the Pakistan’s dominant community, Punjabi Sunni Muslims living in their isolated world of self-destruction do not realize the damage they are doing to Islam.The likely breakup of Pakistan in the near future will stall expanding Chinese footprints.Pakistan is appears to be hurtling towards self-destruction.Beijing treats Pakistan as an extension of its war machine and a surrogate colony. The likely breakup of Pakistan in the near future will stall expanding Chinese footprints.Impaired Pakistan is a cause of deep worry for Beijing, since Islamabad’s capability to tie-down India by launching terrorist attacks will also suffer.
If Pakistan splinters, there will be enormous gains for India.
PoK will revert back to the Indian fold and peace will prevail. This is the singular reason for Chinese to move their troops into PoK. The strategy is two-fold. First, occupy or gain influence over as much occupied Indian Territory as possible, incase Pakistan breaks up.Second, to keep up the pressure on Indian borders since Pakistan is no position to do the same, given its present internal disarray. Further, China does not want India to be emboldened to mount an attack on Pakistan, which is already gasping for oxygen.
Anti-India rabble rousing by ISI inspired elements in Bangladesh against India will no longer be possible.With the break-up of Pakistan, ISI activities like export of fake Indian currency and infiltration of terrorists through Nepal will cease. Anti-India rabble rousing by ISI inspired elements in Bangladesh against India will no longer be possible.American attempts to unhook Pakistan from China will continue to fail despite the dangling of carrot of modern weapons and technology as Islamabad’s strategic dependency on Beijing is now irreversible.Fragmented Pakistan will lesson the heavy financial burden placed on India’s economy with drastic reduction in the security apparatus. This will enable young India to make rapid economic strides that can outpace ageing China in a short span of time.

Similarly, colossal gains accrue to the West, if Pakistan splinters.
The West led by America is losing the plot in Afghanistan because the problem is the Pakistan Army and its Irregular Forces led by General Kayani.
The
West led by America is losing the plot in Afghanistan because the problem is the Pakistan Army and its Irregular Forces led by General Kayani. Washington was forced to admit recently this worst kept secret, when its supply routes to Afghanistan were snapped by GHQ Rawalpindi and NATO convoys carrying fuel to Afghanistan were conveniently torched by the ISI controlled Ghost Army of Jihad with impunity.American attempts to unhook Pakistan from China will continue to fail despite the dangling of carrot of modern weapons and technology as Islamabad’s strategic dependency on Beijing is now irreversible.The ‘real estate’ of Pakistan was created so that the West could monitor and manipulate the former Soviet Union, China and India.However, if Pakistan falls apart, Sind which has very strong democratic yearning is certain to charter its own independent path but in consonance with Indian value system.Independent Baluchistan with its rich resources will be definitely against the Chinese, who in conjunction with Islamabad are exploiting its resources.Independent Baluchistan with its rich resources will be definitely against the Chinese, who in conjunction with Islamabad are exploiting its resources. Denial of Gawdar port will preclude Chinese navy from the warm waters of Indian Ocean and direct access to West Asia.Afghanistan will gradually witness unhindered growth of democracy; the spoilers Pakistan Army with ISI would have disappeared.Therefore, democracies will find many friendly places to operate from and access the resources of Central Asia to the mutual benefit of all players.The biggest gain for the democracies will be that China’s expanding authoritarian influence will be sharply curtailed. Also the Jihad fervor being orchestrated in this part of the world by the Punjabi Sunnis will die a natural death due to fatigue and lack of resources.The spread of two authoritarian streams, Chinese communism and the Islamic fundamentalism, in combination or otherwise, threaten the survival of democracies in Asia.With independent Sind and Baluchistan, the Chinese supply lines from Gawdar would not be possible.If Pakistan splinters, one of the threats will be substantially neutralized.This in turn will make Central Asia a safer place where Pakistan aims to attain strategic depth with the help of Islamic fundamentalists.If Pakistan splinters, Sinkiang in China will face renewed instability and the Chinese flank in occupied Tibet will come under severe pressure.If Pakistan splinters, Sinkiang in China will face renewed instability and the Chinese flank in occupied Tibet will come under severe pressure.
With independent Sind and Baluchistan, the Chinese supply lines from Gawdar would not be possible. This will force China to revert to ‘peaceful rise’ instead of laying claim on territory or islands of other nations.The power of the Shias will increase, thus creating a balance with some of the Sunni sects that are mainly responsible for terrorist acts worldwide. Two successive British Prime Ministers have stated Pakistan accounts for 75 percent of all such acts.If Pakistan splinters, this percentage will drop to abysmal levels.
Most often remarks on Pakistan are prefaced by, “ Just like you Indians cannot live with Pakistan…”The truth therefore is that “Pakistan cannot live with India.” The converse is absolutely preposterous.This premise is false. An average Indian can live with Pakistan, as long as Islamabad does not interfere in internal affairs or connive against India. It is irrelevant whether India dialogues, trades or maintains diplomatic relationship with Pakistan; growth of the Indian economy or the growing status of India is not even remotely connected with failure or success of Islamabad. The ‘Pakistan Story’ failed because of the inherent flaws in the values professed and not because of “Kashmir”! The “Indian Story “ shows success because of its belief in secular democratic values.The truth therefore is that “Pakistan cannot live with India.” The converse is absolutely preposterous.

If Pakistan splinters, it will hit the biggest stakeholder and benefactor China. In order to safeguard its strategic interests, Beijing therefore will make every endeavor to prevent the breakup of Pakistan, even to the extent of military intervention in support of the Pakistan Army.If Pakistan splinters, forces led by Barak Obama will win. On the contrary, if China is successful in its intervention, authoritarian regimes will hold sway in Asia.Who wins the great game in Asia, will depend on the finesse with which the cards are dealt by the contending sides.
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Jhujar wrote: Hai Allah
India receives most remittance from Saudi Arabia
Saudi Arabia is the second most remittance sending country after the US and is estimated to have sent over USD 27.6 billion of outward remittance in 2012, Saudi Gazette newspaper has reported.
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Jhujar wrote:If Pakistan splinters... By Bharat Verma
If Pakistan splinters, there will be enormous gains for India.
Absolutely. I do not at all agree with assessments that there will be an influx of refugees into India. The western border is not like that of the then East Pakistan.
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SSridhar wrote:
Jhujar wrote:If Pakistan splinters... By Bharat Verma
If Pakistan splinters, there will be enormous gains for India.bsolutely. I do not at all agree with assessments that there will be an influx of refugees into India. The western border is not like that of the then East Pakistan.
Refugees are welcome and can be handled but first thing first, let Pakistan splinter, like rotton Jack fruit blasted with 7.62 bullet.
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Peregrine wrote:
Jhujar wrote: Hai Allah
India receives most remittance from Saudi Arabia
Saudi Arabia is the second most remittance sending country after the US and is estimated to have sent over USD 27.6 billion of outward remittance in 2012, Saudi Gazette newspaper has reported.[/]

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Happy Diwali to Indians and Happy Diwala to Pakistan would not have been same without this Khabar. Miskeen Paki ought to know their low status in Saudia.
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Jhujar wrote:If Pakistan splinters... By Bharat Verma
It is reported that many young Pakistanis out of sheer frustration are repudiating Islam and converting to other religions.
Any source? How true is this?
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Jhujar wrote:If Pakistan splinters...
By Bharat Verma

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news ... splinters/
Jhujhar ji, in your quotes there are sentences repeated in this otherwise very interesting article that are a bit disconcerting in terms of ease of reading and 'seriousness of the story'. I think it was because the copy and paste from source picked up the captions/ highlights. Could you edit those out? I saw these:
The migrant Muslims in West Asia (Middle East) while introducing themselves take pains to assert that they are Muslims from India and not Pakistan
The likely breakup of Pakistan in the near future will stall expanding Chinese footprints
Thanks.
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From today's Editorial in DT
That policy, according to Chaudhry Nisar’s remarks during his press conference, would involve delivering a demarche to the US ambassador, approaching the five permanent members of the UN Security Council on the drones issue, reviewing US-Pakistan relations (including presumably cooperation in the US/NATO withdrawal from Afghanistan), and drumming up support by briefing the other political parties.
Pakistan takes US head-on - DT
“Pakistan does not see this strike as an attack on a person, it is an attack on the peace process,” Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar told a press conference in a forthright criticism of the US for inflicting what is being called a fatal blow to Islamabad’s efforts to stop violence in the country through dialogue with the terrorists. “Islamabad’s efforts have been ambushed. It was not even an ambush from the front,” he added.

“Seven-week behind-the-scene efforts by us, where brick by brick we tried to roll a process for peace in our homeland, and what have you (US) done?” he asked. “You reduced our weeks-long efforts to ashes hours before a delegation of respected ulema was to leave for Miranshah and hand over a formal dialogue invitation to the Taliban.”

The minister also questioned the timing of the attack on Mehsud, asking why did the US launch an attack on the eve of start of formal talks. “Why didn’t they do so in the past while he (Mehsud) moved across the Afghan border dozens of times? Can this be called a support to the peace initiative?” he questioned.

The minister was seen virtually begging the terrorists to keep patience and refrain from killing innocent people in revenge for the killing of their leader. :rotfl:

Government and the army demonstrated tolerance during the last seven weeks when bomb blasts killed senior army officials in Swat, worshippers at a church and innocent people at a market in Peshawar, a minister in Dera Ismail Khan and that too on the Eid day. Now, it is for the other side to reciprocate and keep patience. Innocent people and even Pakistan’s government have nothing to do with the drone strike,” the minister pleaded, :rotfl: in an apparent effort to distance the government from the killing of the Taliban chief and putting the whole blame on the US. “Let’s not fall prey to the conspiracies of those who have scuttled the peace process, who are against peace in the region.”

The interior minister said, “No doubt, 9/11 was a great tragedy. But why have thousands of innocent Pakistanis lost their lives in the fight against terror despite the fact that the attackers did not belong to Pakistan?” “Why is Pakistan paying the price for the New York tragedy while people in the US are living with peace?” he questioned.

The minister said in the very first interaction after assuming his current role as minister, he himself conveyed to the US ambassador that his government was very serious in its demand for an end to drone attacks. “Please, take this government very seriously on cessation of drone attacks and convey to your administration that if drone attacks continued, there is going to be a standoff in relations between the two countries,” he recalled what, according to him, he told the US envoy.

He disclosed that, in the meeting, the ambassador had conveyed to him the US intentions to hit Mehsud wherever they found him irrespective of the fact what impact his killing would leave on any peace talks with the Taliban. “I rejected all his demands firmly,” he added.

The minister said his government had taken five decisions following the drone strike.

Giving details, he said the US envoy was being summoned to protest the attack. Later, the envoy was called to the Foreign Office and served a demarche.

The government also decided to activate the Foreign Office and ambassadors to approach the five permanent members of the UN Security Council to take them into confidence over the strike.

The minister said a decision has also been taken to review all aspects of Pakistan’s relations with the US in the war against terror.

A meeting of the federal cabinet and Cabinet Committee on National Security will be called to devise a future course of action as soon as Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif returns.

The minister said that all political parties, who had wholeheartedly supported the peace talks despite mutual differences on policy issues, will be taken into confidence to evolve a future course of action.
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The 'Terms of the Surrender' to TTP - DT
These offers include:
Looks surprisingly like Pakistan's list of demands to India.

As I said once before, India's Pakistan dilemma is Pakistan's taliban dilemma. They are crazy, irrational, dont want peace, will not stop till they have conquered all territory and continue to terrorize even after overtures of peace.
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13. The militants in these areas, with their arms, should be regularised as law enforcement forces of their respective areas. They should be given proper training and assistance by Pakistan where and when needed.
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As it is pakjabis are getting the sh!t kicked out of them, what possible training can they impart hain ji?

Entire list is :rotfl: .
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i hope we are providing moral and diplomatic support to the TTP ??
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Nope. They thought this all up on their own with Pakistani rogue agents helping them, believe it or not. That's why the Pak establishment (rather than government) are having a huge problem getting a grip on the situation - to the extent that any one wants to. Frankly, it's all a major clusterfu(k in there... no one knows what one agency, or its employees, are doing and to what end, while the Punjabi Sunnis in their defence colony homes preen about in their uniforms and clipped mustaches under the assumption that they are somehow controlling it all... they control some of it, the rest is an unravellable tangle of contradictory, conflicting and confusing tactical and strategic interest - from the level of village leaders to four-star generals, with sundry politicians and bureaucrats with one familial leg in each of these camps thrown in for bad measure.

We don't have to do anything, just ensure that Islam is not in danger in Pakistan :) - and there's no danger of that at the moment.
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SSridhar wrote:The 'Terms of the Surrender' to TTP - DT
..............
If this is not an incentive to other provinces to accelerate bloody rebellion, I don't know what is.

I ask you- why shouldn't Karachiites, Sindhis, Punjabis, Balochistanis also not get state ransom, sorry unemployment allowance of Rs 15,000, no-interest loans, 30-50 percent discount in airlines/ railways and free travel on Hajj and Umra visits, hain ji?
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