Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[James B]

Yeah, NiKu has stooped to the level of SS, BT and RT. It is distressing to see that. But rest assured people have not gone to that level as to beat taxi drivers just because they happen to be Bhaiyya.

The more NiKu makes such uncouth statements the more people will move towards BJP. Niku is the poll agent of BJP in Bihar like RaGa in India.

[chaanakya]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 148964.cms Indians booed at global meet for ‘genocide of TB patients’

Opportunity for Modi, to take this! and bang on!

Actually , TB Control is a much neglected programme despite India having one of the largest number of patients. We don't have any ongoing research tom develop new drugs. RNTCP is not properly administered. Doctors , who are posted to this programme, treat it like shunted posting. There is still stigma attached to this disease which is easily curable and could be detected early as well. Doctors should perform routine tests on all patients and prescribe drugs and Govt should make these drugs available at cheaper rate. One of the main issue is indiscriminate use of antibiotics and discontinuance of drug in the middle of treatment , both of which result in mutation and Multi Drug Resistance Bacillus . They are difficult to treat and causes next one to suffer from that since it is highly infectious. Now India is finding many instances of this type. In fact I would say that it is of epidemic proportion and if Govt and medical community do not take it seriously India would have to pay a dear price for its negligence . It is also wrong to assume that only poor people suffer from it. It can strike, and often does, affluent people as well and urban India is ripe for explosion in number of patients especially due to increase in mass transportation system and use of AC. In fact Bacillus can survive upto 16-18 Hours in the air and get circulated through centralised AC system to those who are not even in proximity, like passive smoking.




Successive Govts and Congis in particular have not done much on this front. Their outlay on this programme , as compared to other programmes such as super specialty centres ( for obvious reasons costly diagnostic machines means more cuts) is much less than the actual requirement. Also glamorization of cancer specialist, Heart specialists ,Neuro specialists, etc means more and more doctors opt for that and Lung and respiratory diseases take a back seat.

As you rightly said NaMo could turn the heat on this and Congis would have no explanation as to why they have neglected this for so long despite India having the largest pool of patients. Of course they might throw blame on state Govt being state subject.

[SwamyG]

One thing that I have to give credit to Sonia is on her saree collection and choices. Right from the color combinations, patterns to the way she wears them are quit decent. What type are they?

[Arjun]

The mafia in the Congress out to threaten Lata: Modi and company have misled Lata, says Congress

Maharashtra Congress on Saturday said that legendary singer Lata Mangeshkar would reconsider her endorsement of Narendra Modi for the Prime Minister's post after knowing the reality.

[Yagnasri]

Are they decided to send all the people who voted bjp to hell?

[Hari Seldon]

Who is afraid of Narendra Modi?

Must read article by Ram Jethamalani on why the psec mafia loathes and fears NM.... amazing clarity combined with economy of words.... splendid articulation. Sample this:

How comfortable and cosy previous national elections were. Election behaviour of political parties was predictable; everyone knew everyone else's secrets; everyone understood each other's mediocrities, and empathised with one another's personal ambitions. They sportingly accepted mutual election unpleasantness and acrimony, with a remarkable understanding and bonhomie. After all, verbal acrimony during elections happens all over the world and is a sign of a mature democracy. And by no means did it disturb the political comfort levels of leading political figures. The dynasty was given due respect, even when criticised, and conversely, it had its own favourites in the Opposition for its own reasons, whom it never criticised. Election manifestoes contained a host of promises, several of them unfulfilled promises of yesteryears. But all political parties would rest assured thereafter, knowing full well that once the election was over, they would never be held accountable about them either by the people of India or their own party brass. The lucky winners could then start the serious and exciting business of plundering India, alongside forming appropriately understanding alliances with the Opposition.

Betcha you can see where this is going... delightful piece, like I said...

[member_22539]

^+1, Don't miss the poem in the comments

[VikramS]

Arun who wrote that? Wonderful. Mega RT.

[member_22539]

^ Just saw that in the comments (his name is given above) and thought that it needed to be shared.

[svenkat]

X posting-relevant for this thread alone

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/radical-sikh-groups-petition-unhrc-to-recognise-1984-massacre-as-genocide/article5308461.ece?ref=sliderNews

Stating that Sikhs have exhausted all avenues in seeking justice and redress in India, the Sikh organisations have detailed the 29-year saga of 10 commissions of enquiry into the killings that led nowhere, the relief given by courts to the accused Congress leaders, and the manner in which the Congress party has promoted and given them tickets despite the charges they face. Commissions “eyewash”

Describing the commissions of enquiry as “eyewash to offset the demands for justice and accountability,” the petition says that a cursory look at the reports and recommendations of the commissions shows that they are a “hoax played through the façade of investigation into the November 1984 killings” and were aimed at covering up the extent and scale of violence against the Sikhs.

Naming the former MPs, Sajjan Kumar and Jagdish Tytler, Union Minister Kamal Nath, Arjun Singh, HKL Bhagat and Amitabh Bacchan(?), among others, the petition says the government has “thwarted all attempts by the victims to get justice by cover-ups, destroying evidence and providing immunity to Congress leaders, by threatening witnesses and victims. The victims have no recourse but to approach the UNHRC.”

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[svenkat]

In the larger picture,we need to downplay both anti-Sikh riots(tragic as they were) and Gujarat riots.Unfortunately,BJP too is guilty of raking up 1984 .The Congress has outdid Goebels.Sad for Indian polity.

[krishnan]

http://www.rediff.com/business/slide-sh ... 131029.htm

The data shows that the state has reduced poverty and malnutrition, sex ratio has improved, and the quality of education is better.

But if so, why is Rajasthan not a growth powerhouse despite its legendary Marwari entrepreneurs? Attracted by the superior business environment, those entrepreneurs have in fact migrated to Gujarat.

Gujarat also deserves applause for the large cuts in poverty among the Scheduled Castes (SCs) and Muslims.

In a recent paper, Vishal More and I show that poverty among the former fell 21.8 percentage points between 2004-05 and 2011-12.

For SCs, poverty is now only 1.4 percentage points higher than that in the general population. Nationally, the gap is much larger.

At 7.7 per cent, Gujarat now boasts the lowest poverty ratio for Muslims in rural areas. The state also counts among the seven states with lower poverty ratio for Muslims than Hindus in rural and urban areas combined.

It has achieved this distinction by cutting poverty among Muslims by 23.3 percentage points in rural areas and 27.7 percentage points in urban areas since 2004-05.

Cited by the Comptroller and Auditor General of India in a 2012 report, these estimates show that Gujarat cut the proportion of underweight children between 2006-07 and 2010-11 by a gigantic 32 percentage points.

The corresponding reduction was nine percentage points at the national level and just two percentage points in Kerala.

Finally, critics argue that state-level experience is irrelevant to governing a nation. But this is incorrect for two reasons.

First, Gujarat is not a banana republic: it is approximately equivalent to the United Kingdom in population and area.

Second, a chief minister brings with him valuable grassroots knowledge that modern-day national leaders often lack.

The success of Prime Minister Narasimha Rao was in no small measure due to his on-the-ground knowledge acquired as chief minister of Andhra Pradesh.

Closer to my present home, the most recent US presidents who have been successful - including Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and George W Bush - have been state governors with no prior experience at the national level.

Ironically, it is Barack Obama, a former US senator with no experience as state governor, who has overseen some of the worst logjams in the United States Congress.

[Singha]

probably the real leader of the party is the gen secy who never makes any statement to the media, leaving it to ministers and other party officials who are eager to trash talk.
it is perhaps he who controls the media and has all anchors and top journalists on speed dial. in name atleast he hails from namo land.

[vivek.rao]

By seizing Patel’s legacy, Modi diminishes Nehru-Gandhi dynasty

It has been a usual practice for the last three decades that on 31 October, the morning papers will be flooded with official advertisements on Indira Gandhi’s martyrdom. Even the NDA or NF or UF would extend that courtesy for the eight years that they were in power, albeit restricting it to the bare minimum

Not many outside of Gujarat knew of his birthday and only a few in Delhi cared about him.

But 31 October of 2013 was billed to be different. Not because the standard protocol by the government or the Congress was to be changed by any bit. The official union government advertisements were in place. But then there were two other factors, Congress vice president and Indira grandson Rahul Gandhi had been talking about her assassination emotionally. He has told the untold story of how it happened and how it impacted him and his family. He was supposed to have touched upon a raw nerve of Congressmen and women as also a whole lot of party sympathisers. It was thus expected that this year, on this date, the Congress would do something that would connect with them at an emotional level. After all, this is election time and 2014 wills see the mother of all electoral battles.

Narendra Modi, however, had other plans, he knew how to hijack the show and have a debate centred around him. The day belonged to him and Sardar Patel. The references to Indira Gandhi’s death anniversary were, for once, relegated to the background and to official releases. No matter what the Congress says on Patel vis-à-vis the RSS, the fact remains that Modi successfully appropriated Sardar Patel’s legacy. The problem for the Congress is not that Modi is or has appropriated Sardar’s legacy but by doing so and presenting an alternative view that “had Sardar Saheb been the country’s first Prime Minister the nation’s destiny would have been different today”, he is questioning Nehru’s credentials and diminishing Nehru’s legacy. Had Nehru not been there as the first PM, there would not have been a Nehru-Gandhi dynasty today. Modi is thus trying to hit at what is the spinal cord of the modern day Congress Party. He has been doing both, idolising Patel and criticising the Nehru-Gandhi family.

By laying a foundation stone for the 182-meter tall Statue of Unity, the world’s tallest statue on the banks of the Narmada , twice as tall as the Statue of Liberty, Modi has delivered a masterstroke. How justified is protest of a section of local tribal people, inspired by Medha Patkar is not an issue here. They may have legitimate grievances and need to be redressed. He has grabbed nation’s attention by a grand foundation stone laying event in Kevadia.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh who had joined issue with him on this a few days ago, saying, “I am proud and happy that I belong to a political party to which Sardar Patel was attached… Sardar Patel was totally secular, and believed in the unity of India.” That comment got some rebuttals from Modi as well.

“By aligning Sardar Patel with one party you are demeaning him….We need Sardar Sahab’s secularism, not vote-bank secularism,” Modi said. He added that “Patel who united India…had no hesitation rebuilding the Somnath Temple”.

By creating the world’s tallest statue, he will ensure that the Sardar’s legacy as also his own lives beyond his life time. He thus ensured that his one time mentor and in house “Iron Man” LK Advani was also present to bless him. The Congress is finding it difficult to challenge him, either in rhetoric or in perception. Its only counter argument is Sardar’s banning of the RSS.

[Sushupti]

‘Terrorist organisations, terrorists have direct or indirect access to Congress’~ Nitin Gadkari

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/-t ... s-/1190395

[SwamyG]

An idea can be defeated only by a better idea. One way to shorten a line, is by drawing a longer line. And this is what Modi is doing, by idolizing Patel, he is replacing one bad idea - Dynasty with another good idea Patel. Ideas are not perfect, so is Patel (as can be seen in the Patel dhaaga). But Modi is bringing down the legacy of the dynasty.

[vivek.rao]

I was able to MODIfy hardcore pessimistic guy from AP. He is going for 20 days from Chennai to Hyderabad and Godavari districts (his native place). He gave me lecture on why MODI can't become PM since he is not bringing Jaya and Naveen on board. For the first time, he said he is terrified of 2014 and how India would shape up if PAPPU becomes PM.

My argument: Modi is doing what he can by inspiring people. Jaya and Naveen will come on board for their own selfish reasons. No one can make them. They need to see what is in it for them. Instead, I gave him an assignment. While Modi is doing what he can to change this country, I challenged him to MODIfy 10 people in his relatives. Most are old timer CONGis for generations or newbie Jagan fans. He agreed to try.

Please suggest few sites/articles that will help him to convince. The mission is difficult. We also need few convincing arguments.

My argument went like this:

One of his relatives has heart surgery under YSR's health scheme. So they vote for Jagan. My point: If your uncle had a better job, he could have afforded to do that on his own. On digging down, he told me his uncle's son had no job in spite of Aeronautical Engineering. I gave him few reasons of hope and how growth can improve prospects of them.

Any help is appreciated.

[SaiK]

An idea can be defeated only by a better idea. One way to shorten a line, is by drawing a longer line. .

actually need to the cut shorter line as well.. that is where the evil still lies, and more shorter by cutting it beyond reference point. this is what we need to do by supporting a enabling setup against corruption. remember, we are still fighting for freedom... at least i am, don't know about others.. corruption to me in desh will affect our careers, and lifelines.. i'd not be where i am now, or perhaps be better off when i was not dealing with corruption.

indirect effects are there even when terrorists like obl destroyed the khaan land by diverting the planes into WTC, ny. millions of khaan folks lost job, and who economy turned reverse.. the same thing can happen in a corrupted setup, but the effect is slower and not felt by everyone at the aam state-of-mind levels.

we need to shake our brains a bit, and understand our needs. how we have made ourselves in a corrupted society thus far.

[vishvak]

Government runs on people's monies and schemes can improve every 5 years- election to election.

But one facet positive doesn't mean another can be ignored, especially after 5 years.

[Sushupti]

[satya]

An idea can be defeated only by a better idea. One way to shorten a line, is by drawing a longer line. And this is what Modi is doing, by idolizing Patel, he is replacing one bad idea - Dynasty with another good idea Patel. Ideas are not perfect, so is Patel (as can be seen in the Patel dhaaga). But Modi is bringing down the legacy of the dynasty.

SwamyGjee
As per Dilli Ruler's Book 101 :Idea is never defeated by another idea except a good talking point in dilli drawing room discussions/bakc**** . Its number of people who get tuned in your idea that makes it winner or loser. Nobody cares in desh for a good or bad idea so long its the same idea that dominates their mind. It was this tuning that kept IG in power & was same idea that led to massacre of Sikhs in delhi to name 2 of countless .

So if you want to talk about idea , first of all leave its goodness , badness , ugliness aside & see if you can attract attention & get majority of people's mind space ( ones who matter ) on your side. Don't go for reason , in desh reason = mine is bigger your is smaller , there's no reason , there's only argument leading to enimity & you getting short end or worst if you are not lucky .

And for this reason NaMojee's chances of PMship are lower than that of Crown Prince but of Sushma Swaraj chances are best as of today cutting across the party lines .
Dilli is ruled by Gravy Train Idea in three simple words . You throw off passengers in times of hardship & take on more passengers in times of boom & bring in change of seating arrangements during intervals . NaMojee's is dead against this gravy train idea (again in perception of passengers & wannabe passengers) & that is not acceptable to anyone who matters from Kashmir to Kanyakumrai .
Biggest supporters of this Gravy Train are none other than our UP Brahmins for they run their own small gravy train except they carry only their relatives on board in both private & public & everything in between sectors. They have destroyed pretty much everything . Tyagis from UP are the only ones who can competed against them when it comes to destruction but they were limited to UP only .
So this is what NaMojee is up against . Forget the number of seats ,concentrate on the post election-result period when daggers will be out .

One more thing : If those who want NaMojee gone can do so without 'trying'. All this SPG -Z plus is for us mango population's consumption & for keeping a tight leash on people surrounded by these commando cats nothing more nothing less.
TWIW.

[vishvak]

Satya ji, if there is ample time,
1) Are not UP upper caste / Brahmins not boxed in by Maoists from Nepal on the north, Islamists otherwise. NaMo isn't against UP Brahmins / upper caste per se.
2) Where do Biharis stand here, especially wrt Islamic pull to convert/entrap into Islamic Mughalistan kind of structure.
3) UP population rate of growth vs Islamic rate of growth at long term or strategic level.
4) Where does BJP sees alignment with this group or gravy train is the end of all even at risk of strategic weakness.
5) Where does this put NaMo, Narmadaa river water and Sardaar Sarover/ dam as stretegic depth as ideas to reinforce strengths of the country.
6) So how do NaMo team convince UP Brahmins in intelligent way to increase strategic depths across India for eventually rise of India makes dilli billis more and more powerful onlee without compromise politics; otherwise UP Brahmins too will suffer along side other dharmic sajjan samaaj.
7) Do the UP Brahmins have affinity to restrict restrictions of Bhaartiya sabhyataa post invasions by Alexander/Araps/etc. instead of playing little battles ex Tyaagis etc.
Reach of this group in industrial structures.

[Yagnasri]

WHERE IS SUSHMA DIDI? NOT SEEN OR HEARD EVEN IN DELHI ELECTIONS. AM I MISSING NEWS OR SHE IS BUSY IN IRON ORE EXPORTS AND TELANGANA DIVISION.?
She is MP from Madyapradesh and she is not heard there also.

[SwamyG]

Satya:
I disagree with you from the sense there is frustration and negativity regarding how desis vote. Cheer up. Desis are as humans as humans anywhere on the planet. In democracies, emotions play a big part in the elections. Having a great idea not only having it but evangelizing it and getting a buy in from the people. If a leader or a company has some good ideas, then their advertising, marketing and sales people have to kick in to sell it. If they do not sell it, then people have only bad ideas. The ideas have to be artfully managed and placed into the minds for it work.

BJP and Modi have to find what makes the voters go to the booth and vote for INC, and remove all the factors one by one.

I agree removing NaMo from the scene is not required, focusing on key emotions and issues is enough for Congress. Then coalition politics will be leveraged.

[Muppalla]

As per Dilli Ruler's Book 101 :Idea is never defeated by another idea except a good talking point in dilli drawing room discussions/bakc**** . Its number of people who get tuned in your idea that makes it winner or loser. Nobody cares in desh for a good or bad idea so long its the same idea that dominates their mind. It was this tuning that kept IG in power & was same idea that led to massacre of Sikhs in delhi to name 2 of countless .

So if you want to talk about idea , first of all leave its goodness , badness , ugliness aside & see if you can attract attention & get majority of people's mind space ( ones who matter ) on your side. Don't go for reason , in desh reason = mine is bigger your is smaller , there's no reason , there's only argument leading to enimity & you getting short end or worst if you are not lucky .

And for this reason NaMojee's chances of PMship are lower than that of Crown Prince but of Sushma Swaraj chances are best as of today cutting across the party lines .
Dilli is ruled by Gravy Train Idea in three simple words . You throw off passengers in times of hardship & take on more passengers in times of boom & bring in change of seating arrangements during intervals . NaMojee's is dead against this gravy train idea (again in perception of passengers & wannabe passengers) & that is not acceptable to anyone who matters from Kashmir to Kanyakumrai .
Biggest supporters of this Gravy Train are none other than our UP Brahmins for they run their own small gravy train except they carry only their relatives on board in both private & public & everything in between sectors. They have destroyed pretty much everything . Tyagis from UP are the only ones who can competed against them when it comes to destruction but they were limited to UP only .
So this is what NaMojee is up against . Forget the number of seats ,concentrate on the post election-result period when daggers will be out .

One more thing : If those who want NaMojee gone can do so without 'trying'. All this SPG -Z plus is for us mango population's consumption & for keeping a tight leash on people surrounded by these commando cats nothing more nothing less.
TWIW.

+100. In the euphoria of NaMo, this truth should not be missed by the analysts here.

[Sushupti]

An idea can be defeated only by a better idea. One way to shorten a line, is by drawing a longer line. And this is what Modi is doing, by idolizing Patel, he is replacing one bad idea - Dynasty with another good idea Patel. Ideas are not perfect, so is Patel (as can be seen in the Patel dhaaga). But Modi is bringing down the legacy of the dynasty.

SwamyGjee
As per Dilli Ruler's Book 101 :Idea is never defeated by another idea except a good talking point in dilli drawing room discussions/bakc**** . Its number of people who get tuned in your idea that makes it winner or loser. Nobody cares in desh for a good or bad idea so long its the same idea that dominates their mind. It was this tuning that kept IG in power & was same idea that led to massacre of Sikhs in delhi to name 2 of countless .

So if you want to talk about idea , first of all leave its goodness , badness , ugliness aside & see if you can attract attention & get majority of people's mind space ( ones who matter ) on your side. Don't go for reason , in desh reason = mine is bigger your is smaller , there's no reason , there's only argument leading to enimity & you getting short end or worst if you are not lucky .

And for this reason NaMojee's chances of PMship are lower than that of Crown Prince but of Sushma Swaraj chances are best as of today cutting across the party lines .
Dilli is ruled by Gravy Train Idea in three simple words . You throw off passengers in times of hardship & take on more passengers in times of boom & bring in change of seating arrangements during intervals . NaMojee's is dead against this gravy train idea (again in perception of passengers & wannabe passengers) & that is not acceptable to anyone who matters from Kashmir to Kanyakumrai .
Biggest supporters of this Gravy Train are none other than our UP Brahmins for they run their own small gravy train except they carry only their relatives on board in both private & public & everything in between sectors. They have destroyed pretty much everything . Tyagis from UP are the only ones who can competed against them when it comes to destruction but they were limited to UP only .
So this is what NaMojee is up against . Forget the number of seats ,concentrate on the post election-result period when daggers will be out .

One more thing : If those who want NaMojee gone can do so without 'trying'. All this SPG -Z plus is for us mango population's consumption & for keeping a tight leash on people surrounded by these commando cats nothing more nothing less.
TWIW.

Exactly!! Probably Tantya Tope could have anticipated the depth to which "Angrez" would stoop but 1000 Sarswatis and 10000 Ganesha can't fathom the dirty tricks this anglicized group in UP can come up with to preserve itself.

[Karan M]

WHERE IS SUSHMA DIDI? NOT SEEN OR HEARD EVEN IN DELHI ELECTIONS. AM I MISSING NEWS OR SHE IS BUSY IN IRON ORE EXPORTS AND TELANGANA DIVISION.?
She is MP from Madyapradesh and she is not heard there also.

Well, last two times she spoke, IIRC last time on Telangana, this board had a heart attack. Noting that she spoke the wrong things to the wrong crowd at the wrong time. Perhaps BJP needs a better mechanism to have everyone prep for the same message and be more aware/careful of local issues.

[Muppalla]

Satya ji,

Once in a while there are game changers. It could be such a moment that is building up. Let us see.

[Muppalla]

This Diwali, 'Modi Magic' hits America

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/this- ... ica-440958

[Vayutuvan]

Bahut khoob - Kaka Hathrasi from Gen VK Singh ji and Ram Dhari Sinh Dinkar from Atri ji.

[harbans]

I have a feeling that the Arab Spring is nothing compared to the Modi spring that is about to hit the US and it's credentials to the core. Modi is going to sweep big time in India. He's going to sweep up massive public opinion in Pakistan. And he's going to make the USA look like a wimp. Just a feeling though.

[sunnyP]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 147758.cms
Wary of rout, Cong seeks ban on ‘biased’ poll surveys

shame on k-angrez! these phuckers must be sent to jail soon for looting the country!.. and now taking undemocratic measures.

Easier to rig elections if this goes through.

[RoyG]

I have a feeling that the Arab Spring is nothing compared to the Modi spring that is about to hit the US and it's credentials to the core. Modi is going to sweep big time in India. He's going to sweep up massive public opinion in Pakistan. And he's going to make the USA look like a wimp. Just a feeling though.

I predicted that there would there would be assassination attempts on him and it happened. The gov is colluding with jihadis. I wouldn't be so optimistic yet.

[member_23365]

I would request forum member not to create any impression that Modi will be a threat to Khan Empire.
I have a feeling any threat will materialize only if there is blessing from Khan otherwise everything else will remain diwali cracker.

[ramana]

Satya, you have summed up Delhi politics over a millennium. Its not confined only to the current dispensation. From Prithviraj Chouhan to current its that key thread that drives dilli raj.
Should be in the good post thread....

Howeverr if you read "Decline and Fall of Roman Empire" by Gibbons its the same thing. A group of ruling elite billis will make compromises with an outsider to keep their own power in some form even converting to the outsiders dogma.


Same thing in Amercian Revolution. If you read Gordon Woods "Radicalism of the American Revolution".

Andrew Jackson changed it in US.

Its not a Brahmin thing. Its an elite hamartia.

[Vayutuvan]

I would request forum member not to create any impression that Modi will be a threat to Khan Empire.
I have a feeling any threat will materialize only if there is blessing from Khan otherwise everything else will remain diwali cracker.

A very important point to remember. No point giving some more sticks to khan to hit India over the head. It is also not true so why focus on hypothetical scenarios? If gaming has to be done, do it quietly, I would say.

[Vayutuvan]

That's an interesting combo, must try, beer + baji + chai

Beer + Chai = 0. What swamyG said is 2 Beers + Chai = 1, so you need to down two of the finest Mallya's.

[SaiK]

mmm... 2b + (-1c) = 1b. good enough, as the resultant effect is still a beer. btw, you forgot the baji - is that a constant or neutral/does not effect the equation?

[Vayutuvan]

SaiK you got it - Mirchi Bhajji works for both beer and chaha (marathi).

[SaiK]

alrighty then.. i m just waiting for the invite from mr. gin. [can't blame him.. the winter must have set in where he is now - assumptions based on earlier brf-gps data].