Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 06 Nov 2013 22:24

Case of over display of statesmanship (euphemism for self goal)?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 06 Nov 2013 22:25

Narayana Rao wrote: One thing Modi need to do is stop behaving like Atal2.

Of course he will behave like Atal 2. People should deal with it, only so much is possible. This 100% or bust type thinking has gotten us 10 years of asur raaj.

As an aside even ABV never made a S > D gaffe.

shyamoo · Post by **shyamoo** » 06 Nov 2013 23:33

Sanku wrote:As an aside even ABV never made a S > D gaffe.

Again, why is that a gaffe? I, actually prefer that. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one to think so.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Nov 2013 00:23

Sushupti wrote:Congress set to drag Narendra Modi into direct fight on BJP's core issues

Under relentless attack from Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi, the Congress is busy reworking its strategy to counter him.

The party has now decided to engage the Gujarat chief minister on contentious issues of Article 370, uniform civil code and Ram temple at Ayodhya along with foreign and economic policies.

The BJP maintains it will scrap Article 370, which accords special status to Jammu and Kashmir, from the constitution, enforce a uniform civil code for all citizens of the country irrespective of their religion and construct a grand Ram temple at Ayodhya if it comes to power at the Centre on its own.

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On foreign policy, the Congress would look to corner Modi by asking him to state his position on whether India should hold dialogue with Pakistan or not.

The Congress attack on Modi, according to indications, could begin after the declaration of results of coming elections in five states.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/specials/ ... 47522.aspx

My reply:

Article 370, uniform civil code and Ram temple at Ayodhya along with foreign and economic policies

Art 370 is about equal access to all citizens of India to all regions and is an equity issue for all citizens. And Art 370 is in violation of the fundamental rights articles in the Constitution.

Uniform civil code is a gender equity issue. It brings the rights of all Indian women on the same level. So it again an equity issue for all citizens.

Above two policies are defacto millat status to parts of India and Indian citizens. This neoMughal rule in reverse.

Ram temple in Ayodhya is about reclaiming the nation from the colonists. It is same as renaming cities or any other cultural reclamations.

About foreign policy of talking ot TSP. It depends on whether TSP wants to stop its terrorists or not. In other words does TSP act like a state or a camp?
Talks should be the reward for that is a recognition of the state in TSP. Talks should not be for the sake of talks!!!

On economic policy Modi has already stated he is for equal growth for all citizens.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 07 Nov 2013 00:28

ramana wrote:
Sushupti wrote:Congress set to drag Narendra Modi into direct fight on BJP's core issues

Under relentless attack from Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi, the Congress is busy reworking its strategy to counter him.

The party has now decided to engage the Gujarat chief minister on contentious issues of Article 370, uniform civil code and Ram temple at Ayodhya along with foreign and economic policies.

The BJP maintains it will scrap Article 370, which accords special status to Jammu and Kashmir, from the constitution, enforce a uniform civil code for all citizens of the country irrespective of their religion and construct a grand Ram temple at Ayodhya if it comes to power at the Centre on its own.

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On foreign policy, the Congress would look to corner Modi by asking him to state his position on whether India should hold dialogue with Pakistan or not.

The Congress attack on Modi, according to indications, could begin after the declaration of results of coming elections in five states.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/specials/ ... 47522.aspx

My reply:

Article 370, uniform civil code and Ram temple at Ayodhya along with foreign and economic policies

Art 370 is about equal access to all citizens of India to all regions and is an equity issue for all citizens. And Art 370 is in violation of the fundamental rights articles in the Constitution.

Uniform civil code is a gender equity issue. It brings the rights of all Indian women on the same level. So it again an equity issue for all citizens.

Ram temple in Ayodhya is about reclaiming the nation from the colonists. It is same as renaming cities or any other cultural reclamations.

About foreign ploci of talking ot TSP. It depends on whether TSP wants to stop its terrorists or not. In other words does TSP act like a state or a camp?
Talks should be the reward for that is a recognition of the state in TSP. Talks should not be for the sake of talks!!!

On economic policy Modi has already stated he is for equal growth for all citizens.

Ramana ji,

Congress would be foolish to choose these topics to corner Modi. They think that BJP does not want to touch these issues because these are contentious. Reality is that BJP does not want to touch these issues because they dont touch the pulse of the voters. If congress thinks that they can distract BJP with these issues and especially with Modi, they are in trouble. They will go for the kill and screw Congress on this and on top of that add all the other issues they have mentioning. My gut says, congress will stay away from these issues. If there one thing that is lacking in Modi's quiver it is taking on board those people who want his response to the 3 BJP core agenda principles. Congress will be helping BJP by forcing him to articulate his stand on these.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 07 Nov 2013 00:39

Ram Janambhumi is a clear cut case of an outsider Babar invading India and his general Mir Baqi destroying a Hindu temple and building a Mosque there. Both Babar and Mir Baqi were outsiders. They weren't even Indian Muslims, or second generation Muslim settlers. They were first generation invaders destroying Bharatiya property.

There is simply no reason for showing any sympathy to such a "mosque"!

In fact RJB is not even a Hindu-Muslim issue, but an Indian-Invader issue.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 07 Nov 2013 00:56

Sanku wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote: One thing Modi need to do is stop behaving like Atal2.
Of course he will behave like Atal 2. People should deal with it, only so much is possible. This 100% or bust type thinking has gotten us 10 years of asur raaj.

As an aside even ABV never made a S > D gaffe.

May be because ABV spent more time in S as opposed to out of it?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Nov 2013 01:21

Mahdi venturing into spinster zone.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 07 Nov 2013 01:25

Narendra Modi’s story over if he fails in 2014 polls, but Rahul Gandhi will be around: Ramesh

Rural development minister Jairam Ramesh has termed the 2014 general elections as a do-or-die battle for BJP’s prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi and said Congress vice-president Rahul Gandhi will continue to remain relevant even if the party doesn’t perform well in these elections.

The Congress party said it was not aware what Ramesh had stated in the interview.

In an interview to Reuters, Ramesh said: “If Modi loses 2014, his story is over, his balloon is burst. If (Rahul) Gandhi does not do well in 2014, he is still going to be around.”

http://www.hindustantimes.com/specials/ ... 47962.aspx

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 07 Nov 2013 01:53

Jairam may be right in this assertion. NaMo may not be accepted again into national politics if he goes back to being CM of Guj if he loses. He has to cut the cord and become BJP's national leader, not just CM of Guj.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 07 Nov 2013 02:07

Sushupti wrote:Narendra Modi’s story over if he fails in 2014 polls, but Rahul Gandhi will be around: Ramesh

Rural development minister Jairam Ramesh has termed the 2014 general elections as a do-or-die battle for BJP’s prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi and said Congress vice-president Rahul Gandhi will continue to remain relevant even if the party doesn’t perform well in these elections.

The Congress party said it was not aware what Ramesh had stated in the interview.

In an interview to Reuters, Ramesh said: “If Modi loses 2014, his story is over, his balloon is burst. If (Rahul) Gandhi does not do well in 2014, he is still going to be around.”

Eh - it is actually the other way round. If the Congress loses this election, its story is over (why else do you think they are fighting this desperately?). Most of its leaders are involved in crimes a mile deep. There won't be a Congress by 2019.

chiru · Post by **chiru** » 07 Nov 2013 02:10

OT alert

Sanku wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote: One thing Modi need to do is stop behaving like Atal2.
Of course he will behave like Atal 2. People should deal with it, only so much is possible. This 100% or bust type thinking has gotten us 10 years of asur raaj.

can anyone tell me in brief as to what went wrong with ABV ? i was too young to follow politics then.

@ ramana ji please direct me to the appropriate thread to discuss this.

shyamoo · Post by **shyamoo** » 07 Nov 2013 02:19

BRF has been spot on regarding the D4.

My colleague just informed me that his friend is a close buddy of a Congi MP from AP ( Telangana region ). This friend of the MP states that the reason YSR Jagan is out of jail is because of Sushma Bhen and Owaisi ( MIM )!!! They pressurized the CongIs to let Jagan go. The said friend also told him that all different parties fighting each other is all naatak. Mil bantke khate hain, vaghera vaghera..

No wonder the vehement opposition to NaMo.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 07 Nov 2013 02:26

I too agree with Jairam Ramesh on Modi.

If Congress wins, they will finish off Modi, cuz in Parliament as Opposition Leader he would be a General stuck in quicksand, and Congis would make sure he sinks. Physical elimination too becomes a possibility.

If Modi wins, he too would finish off Dynasty and may be Congress itself.

LS 2014 is really an "Aar-Paar ki Ladai"!

If Modi fails to win 200 seats, Bharat is gone! It sounds melodramatic, I know, but the 7M Alliance (Mullahs, Missionaries, Macaulayists, Maoists, Mafia, Media & MNCs) and foreign powers would make sure that a BJP under Modi cannot make the government, and if it by chance does its going to sneak in people who would chain Modi to mediocrity, people from BJD, TDP and AIADMK.

But I think Modi is going to win this time and win big, upwards of 230 seats just for BJP. So Dynasty can kiss its backside an emotional tearful goodbye ... for ever!

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 07 Nov 2013 02:37

Mahendra wrote:
Sanku wrote:
Of course he will behave like Atal 2. People should deal with it, only so much is possible. This 100% or bust type thinking has gotten us 10 years of asur raaj.

As an aside even ABV never made a S > D gaffe.
May be because ABV spent more time in S as opposed to out of it?

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 07 Nov 2013 02:50

Meenakshi on timesnow seems to trust the IB especially when it comes to the security threat to Modi. One thing is for sure, Congress wants Modi dead. Not giving him proper security cover in the face of jihadis and other anti-national elements is criminal.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 07 Nov 2013 03:12

RoyG wrote:Meenakshi on timesnow seems to trust the IB especially when it comes to the security threat to Modi. One thing is for sure, Congress wants Modi dead. Not giving him proper security cover in the face of jihadis and other anti-national elements is criminal.

Another thing for certain is that Congress is effectively USING TERRORISM (by definition) to try and blunt the Modi wave. There are few things more damaging to Congress' electoral prospects than the sheer fact of Modi drawing lakhs upon lakhs of attendees at EVERY rally he holds, all over the country.

Repeated images of such rallies, transmitted across the nation by social media channels and increasingly through the mainstream media as well, serve to initiate a snowball effect; fence-sitting voters who once felt doubtful about Modi's ability to draw enough votes to become PM, and therefore shied away from supporting him, find themselves converted into Modi voters by witnessing the scale of impact he is having on other potential voters.

This is the Modi wave, the phenomenon that transforms the BJP's prospects from a confined frog-pond of 100-odd "safe seats" to something far more vast, breaching all the boundaries of conventional political calculus and compelling great masses of people to defy traditional voting patterns. And the rallies are a key, integral aspect of its propulsion.

By denying Modi SPG-- the Congress is not just making Modi less safe. The SPG does things that the NSG simply cannot. It takes possession of a public ground where the protectee is to appear, 48 hours ahead of time; liaises continuously with security forces in all states, who are legally bound to share all intel with it; places commandos at every entry and egress point of the protectee's public meetings; and in general ensures the safety of the entire event, not just the protectee himself, from terrorist activity.

What the Congress is trying to do is decimate the attendance at Modi's rallies. They realize the enormous importance of this. Modi's assassination would only be a bonus to them... however, I believe their goal is to facilitate mass death and destruction at his rallies so as to frighten potential attendees away from subsequent rallies (after all, however much one admires the man, is it worth the risk of life and limb to go hear him speak?)

If you put this together, the Congress is using the threat of organized political violence to instill fear among potential Modi supporters in pursuit of its key political goals.

By any yardstick, this fits the definition of terrorism.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 07 Nov 2013 03:14

A neat expose on how a fake survey conducted by a Congressman-funded agency shows AAP winning in Delhi. I cant believe there are people who still dont admit that AAP is Congress' B team

http://www.webnewswire.com/node/3545238

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 07 Nov 2013 03:44

Narayana Rao wrote:This noise about security will ensure that mafia is put on notice. Today Kumar Kethkar of paid media saying on times now that any attack on Modi will result in unimaginable consequences as he is a very polarizing figure.

One thing Modi need to do is stop behaving like Atal2. Muslims are not going to vote for him and there is a small danger of Hindu voters may be put off. Why take that risk. Sena already started making noice.

Agreed. Modi however is not playing for the Muslims. He is trying to get the fence sitting yindoos.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 07 Nov 2013 03:53

Rudradev ji,

Congress's use of terror became more than apparent after Patna blasts, especially after the casual attitude of prominent Congress politicians.

What Congress fears more than Modi is the Modi Wave which builds up with every new rally of lakhs.

Denying SPG is to nip the Modi Wave in the bud.

disha · Post by **disha** » 07 Nov 2013 04:01

Rudradev wrote:...What the Congress is trying to do is decimate the attendance at Modi's rallies. They realize the enormous importance of this. Modi's assassination would only be a bonus to them... however, I believe their goal is to facilitate mass death and destruction at his rallies so as to frighten potential attendees away from subsequent rallies (after all, however much one admires the man, is it worth the risk of life and limb to go hear him speak?)

If you put this together, the Congress is using the threat of organized political violence to instill fear among potential Modi supporters in pursuit of its key political goals.

By any yardstick, this fits the definition of terrorism.

Ergo - CongIs are the real terrorists. Well they proved that in 1975 itself.

PS: I agree with underlined above.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 07 Nov 2013 04:07

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Nov 2013 04:37

Has NM addressed any (reasonably) large rally since Patna? Was any rally cancelled or moved in light of recent security concerns? Just curious, I have no info of any such...

Update:

Never mind, got the info. There's a rally on, today, in fact. From niti...

IB alert on Modi rally in Bastar on Thursday

Who else but 'em cute n cuddly maoists only. The same pests that co-ordinated with the likes of Joagee to physically eliminate the last remaining patriots from the Cong-I...

BTW, NM must be either incredibly brave or foolish to attempt to go to Bastar, which is, after all, the maopest den in CHT. No wonder maopests there are lovingly referred to as the bastar(ds) of bastar..

Am reminded of a fundu filmi dialogue from 1997...

Akshaye Khanna says to Sunny Deol in 'Border'..."Sir, Bahaduri aur PAgalpan mein kuch toh farak hota hoga...".

And Deol replies: "Yeh meri zameen hai. Isme mera aana-jaana, meri marzi se hi hoga..."

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 07 Nov 2013 04:56

Hari Seldon wrote:Has NM addressed any (reasonably) large rally since Patna? Was any rally cancelled or moved in light of recent security concerns? Just curious, I have no info of any such...

Next big rally is slated for Bastar in Chhatisgarh.

"Maoists" have already issued a threat to attack it.

Their threat is being trumpeted all day long across MSM news channels. With graphic footage of recent Patna attacks to lend credibility.

See how the game is played?

The Congress is repeating 1975. Only this time, it is using terrorist groups rather than RAW/IB as its instrument of political repression.

It seems clear that they've learned the art of plausible deniability, using "non-state actors", from their Paki friends. India is now East Pakistan!

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 07 Nov 2013 05:21

Sushupti wrote:Narendra Modi’s story over if he fails in 2014 polls, but Rahul Gandhi will be around: Ramesh

Rural development minister Jairam Ramesh has termed the 2014 general elections as a do-or-die battle for BJP’s prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi and said Congress vice-president Rahul Gandhi will continue to remain relevant even if the party doesn’t perform well in these elections.

The Congress party said it was not aware what Ramesh had stated in the interview.

In an interview to Reuters, Ramesh said: “If Modi loses 2014, his story is over, his balloon is burst. If (Rahul) Gandhi does not do well in 2014, he is still going to be around.”

http://www.hindustantimes.com/specials/ ... 47962.aspx

so basically this loser has conceded. Dumb MAFIA bootlicker is pooping all over his pants

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Nov 2013 06:44

Sushupti wrote:Case of over display of statesmanship (euphemism for self goal)?

[img http://i.imgur.com/CsvBNlt.jpg[/img]

just plain good governance. at that time LTTE was still alive and kicking and govt would have acted according to intel agencies' recommendation.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Nov 2013 07:17

>> If (Rahul) Gandhi does not do well in 2014, he is still going to be around.”

substitute 2014 by anything upto 2100 and he is still going to be around. no other dynasty in history has had such a long and non-performing run but the Congress(I) is a special country with its own rules.

when has Rahul gandhi done well in anything?
why did he say he will "fight" for the rights of sarpanchs yesterday when his Govt rules the country...why does he need to "fight" his own govt to get things done?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 07 Nov 2013 07:42

^ May be he is planning to get out of Indira Congress and join BJP/RSS.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Nov 2013 07:53

IBNLive -

how can the fellow of IBM do mere coding ?

New Delhi: Union Minister Jairam Ramesh has sounded a warning ahead of crucial five- Assembly elections and the 2014 Lok Sabha polls. Jairam on Thursday expressed concern that Congress Vice President Rahul Gandhi has been caught up with long term party building even though elections pose the immediate challenge.

However, the Congress officially distanced itself from Jairam's statement. "My frustration is that he is too forward looking, he is talking of structure, systems, he is talking of building Congress in the long term whereas we are now faced with fighting an election in the short term,"

Jairam said Jairam's comments came after Rahul recently in his interactions with party colleagues insisted that a win can be sacrificed for the sake of strengthening the party.

Earlier, while many from Bihar Congress wanted a tie up with RJD chief Lalu Prasad, Rahul preferred not to form an alliance to assert the Congress authority in the state. Though, party leaders feel that Rahul's idealism could cost them votes and it's not the right strategy ahead of the upcoming elections. This flip-flop has left the party confused while dealing with BJP's prime ministerial candidate and Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi.

However, Congress leader Sandeep Dikshit came to Rahul's rescue and said, "Rahul Gandhi has been touring all the poll-bound states. He is in a combative mode and his speeches show that he is serious." After Jairam's statement, the BJP attacked Rahul by saying that this was a clear indicator of the Congress conceding defeat. "Jairam's statement shows the exasperation of the Congress. The fact they are thinking beyond 2014 shows they have conceded defeat," BJP spokesperson Prakash Javadekar said. While Congress spokespersons may distance themselves, Jairam's statement assumes significance as he was recently appointed the chairman of the election coordination meeting.

Read more at: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/congress-jit ... ef_article

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 07 Nov 2013 07:55

Basically he want tl have cake and eat it too. No option. He can only make more promises earlier promises were not kept.

niran · Post by **niran** » 07 Nov 2013 08:05

Hari Seldon wrote:Has NM addressed any (reasonably) large rally since Patna? Was any rally cancelled or moved in light of recent security concerns? Just curious, I have no info of any such...

<snip>
BTW, NM must be either incredibly brave or foolish to attempt to go to Bastar, which is, after all, the maopest den in CHT. No wonder maopests there are lovingly referred to as the bastar(ds) of bastar..

Am reminded of a fundu filmi dialogue from 1997...

Akshaye Khanna says to Sunny Deol in 'Border'..."Sir, Bahaduri aur PAgalpan mein kuch toh farak hota hoga...".

And Deol replies: "Yeh meri zameen hai. Isme mera aana-jaana, meri marzi se hi hoga..."

last time bhajapa won 12 out of 14 seats from Bastar, this inspite of Naxal grave threat, it hs shocked congress so much that till today
they believe bhajapa did something creative to have won 12/14, and why is Bastar important? just as the road to dilli goes through UP
the road to CG CM ki gaddi goes through Bastar.
currently congress are in 69 situation regarding NaMo security now even if a lightening bolt strikes
the public blames congress and few more voters come out to teach em a lesson.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 07 Nov 2013 08:08

http://daily.bhaskar.com/article-hl/GUJ ... 7-PHO.html

Is Miss Asia Pacific Srishti Rana being harassed for her support to Narendra Modi as PM? Why her crown was seized at Mumbai airport?

Mumbai/Ahmedabad: The diamond studded crown of India's Srishti Rana, who has been crowned Miss Asia Pacific World 2013 in Busan South Korea, was seized on Tuesday for not paying customs, a senior customs official said. Although she won the coveted crown for India, but she is being unnecessary harassed, claim her fans. Some believe that it has to with her comment in which she praised Narendra Modi.

"I want Narendra Modi to be next PM of India," she had said on reaching India after winning the crown.
Central Board of Excise has not issued necessary papers, which is causing a lot of problem to Shrishti Rana.

so who is hitler?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Nov 2013 08:23

From Facebook: Indian Army Fans: Ruling clans of India

negi · Post by **negi** » 07 Nov 2013 08:36

^ Bahugunas in Uttarakhand and Dhumals in HP are missing.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 07 Nov 2013 09:06

vnmshyam wrote:
Sanku wrote:As an aside even ABV never made a S > D gaffe.
Again, why is that a gaffe? I, actually prefer that. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one to think so.

I am sure.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 07 Nov 2013 09:08

Mahendra wrote: May be because ABV spent more time in S as opposed to out of it?

Well I saw him outside S most of the time, but then you might know better.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Nov 2013 09:14

Sanku wrote:
Mahendra wrote: May be because ABV spent more time in S as opposed to out of it?
Well I never saw him outside S most of the time, but then you might know better.

what were you doing looking at him inside s ?

negi · Post by **negi** » 07 Nov 2013 09:19

^ Tui ekhane ki korchis re ? Ae shob baje jaegah .

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Nov 2013 09:23

trying to make sense of the perversion.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 07 Nov 2013 09:32

How much difference a inversion makes eh? Fixed now. Thanks Breaper mohadaya.