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Pakistani 'Core' Commander: Abdul, we are imposing Marshallah.
Abdul: Marshallah, imposing? I agree that you are very imposing indeed, marshallah!
Pakistani 'Core' Commander: Not marshallah you fool, but marshallah!
Abdul: That's what I said sirjee, marshallah...
The people in black dress are probably shia. And they are pummeling a scrawny Sunni Abdul.
The problem seems to be Turis from Parachinar, who wanted to pay the Sunnis back, for what they have endured for long.
the black shalwars look like well educated middle class types. note the cards on the pocket...look like delegates at some convention than just laymen rageboys.
or probably ambulance paramedics trying to save him.
Singha wrote:the black shalwars look like well educated middle class types. note the cards on the pocket...look like delegates at some convention than just laymen rageboys.
or probably ambulance paramedics trying to save him.
Shia'hs are the ones with trimmed beards. Note in this picture, both sides are indistinguishable from each other (same ages, clothes....):
The author is a BS-artist in my opinion. He mixes some facts with mostly fantasy and arrives at a conclusion that serves his socialism-based thesis of "Workers Unite".
"Wither away" in-gory-ously Pakistan ! May thine words indeed come true,oh prophet Saulat! May thy name be written in gold or cursed by day and night in the future debris of the b*st*rd child, spawned by the shaitanic gora midwives in 1947 and wrenched out of the womb of Mother India. Salut Saulat,a prophet with honour except in his own country.
Copy of tweets that claim many more killed in that shia-sunny T20 fracas:
[IMG]Mohammad Aftab @marimanj29m
@arsched @BushraGohar , private source tell 56 students killed by shia gangsters burned madina market stoped fire tenders to reach site.
Amer Khan @KhanAmerKhan6m
@arsched so far throats of 3 madressah students being slit during sectarian clash in Rawalpindi, situation is still critical
karma indeed. these folks ancestors spent a lot of time slaughtering infidels and wot not, out of pure and simple sadism. now they are busy killing each other.
These processions are growing day by day. First it was 10 muharam, now every other day these shias are out mourning and beating themselves, blocking roads and disturbing the normal routine of thousands of people. If you want to do this beating and mourning,, stay at your Imam Barghas.. Why they want to become the star of the show? For them, thousands of innocent scouts and youngsters stand at the stake of their lives just to protect them. Security remains high, services are jammed, just because some people are beating themselves. Can they do this processions and beating in UK, USA, Europe? If they are so courageous, they should start these processions there as well. I will see who will give them permission!
If you (shia) so love Imam Ali , Iman Hussain and Panj Tan, follow them.. Do what they taught… but your Islam is all about 10 Muhharam…
Government should ban these procession for once and all.. If they want to do it, do it under four walls, homes and Imam Bargahs. No security should be given to them. Media has been giving quite a lot undue attention to them. It should be stopped. Why thousands of security men should die because of their unwanted practices.
Else, the Eid Millad processions should also be banned. All these anti-Islamic practices does not give anything except , deviation from true teachings of Holy Prophet (PBUH)
minorities in Pakistan tend to overstep their civil rights trying to prove they are too strong. same case with Shiite community. They snatched rifles from Policemen and entered the madrassah. That's the answer to the question the "not so naive" editorial is trying to ask as to who is or was responsible. Shiites passing their processions of "mourning" all over the country cursing what the Sunnis believe in - and now that the Friday sermon condemned their acts of hatred, their "activists" lost tolerance and resorted to extreme violence and terrorism.
my open challenge to any Shia cleric that these public processions are a part of Shia ideology and without these their faith cannot exist.
I am just waiting when this is going to be full blown up.
anupmisra wrote:The author is a BS-artist in my opinion. He mixes some facts with mostly fantasy and arrives at a conclusion that serves his socialism-based thesis of "Workers Unite".
Certainly! But then filter them out, there are some interesting observations - both on KSA and pakistan. Not much new for this forum, but I found the articulation succinct. Also some observations on the evolution, or the lack of it, of two societies are interesting. Apart from all that, comparing KSA and pakistan and identifying many similarities between them should 'warm' the hearts of Saudis, should anyone from that country be reading it!
Wonder where local MP is who can send a team to investigate and may be find out if fire/sabotage was internal only and sunni burnt themselves only. But the unjahilia lands is not misfortunate to have such official reports or misinformation campaigns against politicians. The unjahilia lands is totally and historically more secular than any other jahilia lands only. Wonder where are all human rights orgs, NGOs, international media, secular government, etc gone for unjahilia lands in decades since independence.
PTI Chairman Imran Khan announced the postponement of the protest sit-in against drones and to stop NATO supplies from Nov. 20 to 23, keeping in view the grave security situation in the country,
"This is not a cancellation but a postponement in response to the sensitivities of our people and the acute security situation prevailing in the country," Khan explained in a statement.
The decision was taken after sectarian clashes in the garrison city of Rawalpindi, which claimed nine lives and dozens more were injured.
Pakistan's government says it will try former military ruler General Pervez Musharraf for treason, punishable by death or life imprisonment, for imposing emergency rule in 2007.
Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan told a news conference Sunday, "Following the judgment of the Supreme Court and a report submitted by an inquiry committee, it has been decided to start proceedings against General Pervez Musharraf (for treason) under Article 6 of the Constitution."
"It is happening for the first time in the history of Pakistan and the decision has been taken in the national interest," Khan said.
Islamabad: Pakistani Taliban has warned that the next few days and weeks would be “disastrous” for the country as the banned outfit vowed to “teach” the government and its security agencies a lesson over the killing of its leader Hakimullah Mehsud in a US drone strike. Claiming responsibility for yesterday’s suicide attack, the Tehrik-e-Taliban said, “We started our campaign with a suicide attack on military officials in Bannu on Saturday. It was the first attack of a series we planned against the Pakistan government and its armed forces to avenge the killing of our Ameer Hakimullah Mehsud.”
“As we have stated we would teach a lesson to the Pakistan government for helping the US to kill our leader,” the Taliban spokesman Shahidullah Shahid. He said the next few days and weeks would be “disastrous” for the government and its security agencies, The News daily reported. The Taliban spokesman said they had already sent their suicide bombers to different parts of the country to target top government and military officials and the leadership of the PPP, ANP and MQM. “The leadership of the three political parties justified the killing of Hakimullah Mehsud and that’s why they deserved to be killed,” he maintained. Mehsud was killed on November 1 in a CIA drone strike in the lawless North Waziristan tribal region.
I told my little one if he does really bad deeds in this life..might be reborn in afpak. he took one look at the photo of the burning bazar and the stone throwing and slunk away.
Pakistan's government says it will try former military ruler General Pervez Musharraf for treason, punishable by death or life imprisonment, for imposing emergency rule in 2007.
Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan told a news conference Sunday, "Following the judgment of the Supreme Court and a report submitted by an inquiry committee, it has been decided to start proceedings against General Pervez Musharraf (for treason) under Article 6 of the Constitution."
"It is happening for the first time in the history of Pakistan and the decision has been taken in the national interest," Khan said.
Mushy's goose is being slowly cooked amidst all the chaos .
What if there comes a scenario where his life will be secretly exchanged to TTP for sparing attacks on other prominent targets in power ?
May be after ashfaqed kiyani steps down the honors in this regard will take place under the new COAS
Lilo wrote:
Lot of paki pasand pappi jhappi happening in comment section - many of them are not even Indians (goras , Pakis , BDs etc aplenty )
Anyway this interference by google into indopak equation and funneling pakipasand psyops targeted at Indian youth is unprecedented and again reveals unkils dirty hand acting behind the scenes - prepping the Indians for a tame giveaway of indian territory of Kashmir , Siachen,Sir creek and what not to the tunes of pakipasand pappi jhappi.
THis is done by the multinational. Dont fall for this kind of propaganda
Nowhere in the world is the karmic law of cause and effect more readily apparent than in blightistan. People who disbelieve in karma ought to make a case study of that country.
Nawaz Sharif is playing a huge game. The most glaring treason charge should be the military coup in 1999. But, Nawaz Sharif does not want to pursue that case because that would have pitted him against the whole military hierarchy and would be uncomfortable for the CJP too. The 2007 Emergency proclamation thus comes handy because it is against Musharraf only and would be equally appropriate for the CJP too.
While the country by and large saw off Ashura peacefully, the sectarian violence in Rawalpindi has caused not only 10 deaths, injuries to 68 and the gutting of some 100 cloth shops, it has also evoked an outbreak of sectarian clashes in Multan and Chishtian. The spread of sectarian violence beyond Rawalpindi, despite the authorities’ strong response and deployment of the army to scotch the trouble, leaves no room for complacency. If not nipped in the bud, the rising sectarian sentiment could enfold larger parts of the country, bringing freash headaches for the authorities. There can therefore be no dithering in taking the necessary timely actions to put the lid on the rising tensions between different sects. The Rawalpindi incident has reaffirmed the long standing plea of the secular-liberal forces of the country that hate speeches delivered from the pulpit need to be stopped. We have become so complacent about such flaws in our society that when Maulvi Shakir was spewing hatred against Shias in the Friday sermon from Maulvi Ghulamullah Wali Masjid, none of the police manning the mourning procession were spurred into action. Nor did the police use the power vested in it by law under the City District Government Rawalpindi that forbids mosques to use loudspeakers on Fridays other than for prayer calls. The police’s indifference on such a sensitive occasion, especially when the main Ashura procession route had been declared highly fraught under the Muharram security plan, resulted in the clash that destroyed lives and property. The city administration also failed at ensuring the presence of peace committees comprising scholars from different schools of thought to accompany the Ashura procession and ensure peace. Such failures show the shallowness of our understanding of the sectarian malice that by now has dug deep roots in our society. The police even remained oblivious of the presence of some prominent leaders of the banned Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan inside the mosque in question and its adjacent Taleemul Quran madrassa. The intelligence report submitted to the Chief Minister Punjab Shahbaz Sharif has blamed the local administration and its law enforcement agencies.
Eventually heavy deployment of the army, a curfew and Section 144 was imposed on Friday night to bring the situation under control. The curfew will remain imposed for another 24 hours although brief relaxations have been allowed to facilitate the citizens of the city.
The encouraging thing that has come out of this conflagration is the rallying of the ulema behind the government and their demand to make an example of the miscreants involved in the incident so that such incidents are prevented from recurring. On the request of the Punjab government, the Chief Justice of the Lahore High Court has constituted a judicial commission headed by Justice Mamoon Rashid Sheikh.
In a few days, all other things being equal, things may revert to normal. The bitterness, however, among religious activists of different denominations may not subside and could reappear at another place and time. Unless a sustainable and consistent solution to the problem is found through a combination of regulations, dialogue and deterrent punishments, the monster of sectarian violence will be hard to tame. The fusion of sectarian violence and terrorism could mean many more years to prevail over the menace, something the country cannot afford. The state and the people must unite to nip the evil in the bud. There is no time to lose if we draw the correct conclusions from the Rawalpindi incident. *
I know quoting images is a pain, but couldnt resist sorry. Is this pose some kind of Pakistani arsonist pose? I see it everytime something is burned in pureland.
Islamabad: Pakistani Taliban has warned that the next few days and weeks would be “disastrous” for the country as the banned outfit vowed to “teach” the government and its security agencies a lesson over the killing of its leader Hakimullah Mehsud in a US drone strike.
Quite frankly, the Pakistani Taliban need to stop talking and warning - if they can do anything, let them, but quit this "warning" and "warning for the last time" nonsense - that only sounds good in Hindi movies.
I think this sectarian violence is a reaction to what is happening outside Pakistan and Paki hand at it. Pakistani ex-servicemen were recruited to put down Bahraini uprising (by the Shia majority). And now the Saudis want Pakis to train Syrian rebels. There is a huge Shia vs Sunni fight going on in the Middle east and Pakis are providing men and training for that. Surely the Shia community in Pakistan should be reacting to these developments. I am not sure all the Shia-Sunni bhai bhai kumbaya and Loudspeaker ordinances will solve these issues. They run deeper.
The Overseas Employment Services (OES) of the Fauji Foundation is recruiting hundreds of ex-servicemen to serve in the Bahrain National Guard (BNG).
Advertisements in an Urdu language daily and on the OES website state that the BNG “immediately” requires people with experience and qualifications as anti-riot instructors and security guards.
Anujan wrote:I know quoting images is a pain, but couldnt resist sorry. Is this pose some kind of Pakistani arsonist pose? I see it everytime something is burned in pureland. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZII-KVCcAAiQj5.jpg
By 2007, Fazalullah had managed to establish his stranglehold in Swat by manipulating the media and targeted killings of moderate members of the Swat administration. Earning notoriety as a bloodthirsty militant, he turned the Green Square of Mingora into an execution center, where bullet-riddled bodies of policemen and their so-called informers were hung from the poles and public floggings were regular.
Apart from perpetrating mass killings, he established a parallel criminal justice system - apparently modeled on Islamic sharia but extremely savage in its tone and tenor. To stop bloodshed in Swat, in 2008, the provincial government of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa reached an agreement with Fazalullah. The agreement, dubbed "Nizam-e-Adl" (the system of justice) granted the Taliban virtual control over Swat to implement their interpretation of sharia law.
However, the deal fell apart when Fazlullah's men attempted to expand their sphere of control to neighboring Buner district and a military operation was launched against his brigand. After his eviction from Swat in 2009, Fazalullah escaped to Afghanistan; he orchestrates cross-border attacks against civilians and security personnel of Pakistan from his hideout in Nuristan. His faction claimed responsibility for some of the worst acts of violence in recent years - including the shooting of schoolgirl Malala Yusufzai in 2012.
Fazalullah has been voted leader possibly because of his staunch stance against peace talks with the government of Pakistan. After his election, the TTP through its spokesman categorically refused to hold talks, calling the government of Pakistan "an American puppet". The backing of the Afghan Taliban - possibly of Mullah Omar - also played a role in his selection by Taliban shura.
It was reported in Dawn on (November 11, 2013, that the deadlock to select TTP head was broken by Mullah Omar "who stepped in and named Fazlullah as the man for the job". Mullah Omar support for Fazalullah is not a surprise move as Swati militants had fought alongside Afghan Taliban in the first Afghan war and, later, as civil war raged in Afghanistan, in the 1990s, they provided their Afghan counterparts recruits and eventually became their junior partners in Pakistan. They are different faces of the same coin.
The rise of Fazalullah in the ranks of Taliban can have ominous consequences for Pakistan. Most importantly, by giving mantle of TTP leadership to Fazalullah, Taliban militants are projecting the image that TTP is not FATA-centric and has support in the urban areas of Pakistan, too. Perhaps, it is flexing muscles to expand its violent campaign in the populous, economically prosperous Punjab to cause maximum casualties and inflict financial losses.
The statement of Taliban spokesperson that "we will target security forces, government installations, political leaders and police," speaks volumes about this strategy. According to some observers, TTP might enter into strategic alliances with militants in Punjab to carry out a spate of bombings and militant activities.
Secondly, as Maulana Fazalullah is against a negotiated settlement of the conflict, so he might begin a long war of attrition with the security forces of Pakistan.
As absurd as it may sound, Hakimullah Mehsud, the slain Pakistani Taleban leader, is now somewhat of a hero in Pakistan. The notorious militant, also accused by the US of involvement in a deadly attack on CIA base in Afghanistan, was recently killed in a US drone strike in the tribal areas of Pakistan.
Mehsud featured on the most wanted list of even Pakistani security agencies and was credited with carrying out violent attacks across the country that claimed thousands of civilian lives. Yet, his elimination has only caused further outrage and damaged the mercurial relationship between the US and Pakistan. Members of prominent religious parties, that enjoy massive public support, have openly slammed the US for his assassination and termed him a “martyr.” At the same time, the government of Pakistan has denounced the US action for sabotaging chances of peace talks with the militants. It has also called for an immediate review of ties between the two countries in the wake of this incident.
The Taleban accuse Pakistani government of conniving with the US to target its top commanders, while at the same time extending an olive branch. As these actions erode confidence between the two sides, the peace process remains stalled and faces an uncertain future. Oddly enough, the dead man, Mehsud, may be commanding even greater influence now on Pakistan’s future. His death has positioned the country in a tricky spot, as it has to make a tough choice of whether to pursue peace talks with no guaranteed result, or to take the radical step of hurting the operational capability of its allies in Afghanistan.
