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Execution of Mohammadden terrorist Hakimullah Mehsud angers Mohammadden clerics in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan who call for shutting down supply routes used to supply NATO forces in Afghanistan besides shooting down US drones.

It is hard to understand how it is possible for clerics belonging to a religion claimed by its adherents as being “the religion of peace” to show support for a violent terrorist by advocating the use of violent means:

Pakistani ulema call for shutdown of NATO supplies, shootdown of drones

It is also hard to understand how it is possible in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for a seminary belonging to the Mohammadden religion whose adherents claim that theirs is “the religion of peace”, to show support for violence by teaching bomb making:

Injured go missing after explosion at Balochistan religious seminary
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Surasena ji,

what a find! so, even the "average" Muslim agrees what he believes in. it is only the non-muslim who twists himself/herself in knots wondering what the Muslim thinks!!
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Yes, and outstanding bit if video - and in Norway, that paragon of the "liberal left" - I.e we are for whatever so long as we don't personally pay a price.
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Meanwhile, somewhere in Denmark.

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There is a flaw in the Pic. And it's here:

The saheeh ahaadeeth from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) indicate that it is prescribed to trim the moustache. For example, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Trim the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the mushrikeen.” (Agreed upon). And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Trim the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the Magians,” and in some versions it says: “Trim the moustache.” Trimming means cutting it very short. The one who cuts his moustache very short so that the upper lip is visible or trims it is not to blame, because the ahaadeeth mention two things, but it is not permissible to leave the edges of the moustache, rather the whole moustache should be trimmed or cut, in accordance with the Sunnah. End quote.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood.

By showing a full mustache the Pic resembles a Sikh more than a practising Muslim/ Mohammed in this instance.
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Harbans,

It is perhaps a fine point, but it may be inaccurate to call the lushness of the moustache a flaw in the drawing. Although it is claimed in the Hadeeth that Mohammed had some definite views on moustache maintenance, it is not certain that he himself applied these strictures. It is known, for instance, that he spent a considerable part of his life on the road, and on war campaigns; it is unclear whether he was religious about trimming his moustache during the entire period of these excursions. It is quite possible that the artist who conceived this image, was drawing the state of Mohammed during one of his more hirsute periods.

It is also quite certain that Mohammed looked nothing like that drawing, given that there are no illustrations of him (not surprising since it was forbidden).

It is also absolutely certain that he never went about with a lit cannonball emerging from his turban, if he ever wore one.
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X Posted.
Peregrine wrote:Gunmen kill four Shias in Karachi

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The death toll inflicted upon the Shia in this latest bout of Green on Green Intra Mohammadden religion inspired killing in Karachi has climbed to 5.

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a country claimed to have been formed to provide a safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent, members of the minority Shia aka Shiite sect of Mohammaddenism certainly find no immunity from being targeted by the religion inspired predatory actions of their Sunni sect co-religionists :

Gunmen kill five Shias in Karachi
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Can this be real or is it just another hoax?

Cannibalism In Syria Causes An Extremely Rare Disease
Its called Kuru, an extremely rare disease which virtually became extinct after extinguishing cannibalism in Papua New Guinea. Amazingly Kuru has now been found in 8 to 20 people, out of all places, in war-torn Syria, and the only way it could have come about, doctors confirmed, is through cannibalism and the consumption of human brain, as first reported by Arabian news source Zaman al-Wasal and substantiated by Orient News Television.
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Prion diseases, certainly kuru, have latency periods of perhaps decades.
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The definition of Islamophobia needs some alteration/ inclusion. Are the people who criticize Islam Islamophobes or the people too afraid to criticize it? I think the latter form of Islamophobia is more real. Then to deny to themselves that they are not afraid, they start idiotic 'open fly torn shirt' type debates all over. They brainwash themselves with that rhetoric..till they even may get violent trying to defend it, or taking support of violent Islamists.
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harbans wrote:There is a flaw in the Pic. And it's here:

The saheeh ahaadeeth from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) indicate that it is prescribed to trim the moustache. For example, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Trim the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the mushrikeen.” (Agreed upon). And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Trim the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the Magians,” and in some versions it says: “Trim the moustache.” Trimming means cutting it very short. The one who cuts his moustache very short so that the upper lip is visible or trims it is not to blame, because the ahaadeeth mention two things, but it is not permissible to leave the edges of the moustache, rather the whole moustache should be trimmed or cut, in accordance with the Sunnah. End quote.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood.

By showing a full mustache the Pic resembles a Sikh more than a practising Muslim/ Mohammed in this instance.
I always felt that PBUH was the world's pioneer of Marketing. He understood the concept of DIFFERENTIATION. His product may be flawed but he ensured that he made it different even though he stole features from Judaism and Christianity. As kids, I remember hearing the phrase "ulta saabi" which means "reverse muslim". Muslims did everything the other way from the norm. This is the reason.
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KJoishy wrote: As kids, I remember hearing the phrase "ulta saabi" which means "reverse muslim". Muslims did everything the other way from the norm. This is the reason.
OT: the 'ulta' IIRR came from the fact that Urdu/Persian/Arabic was written right-to-left, so "ulta" w.r.t Indic scripts
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Muslim group claims Hindu temple renovation ‘disrespects’ Malaysia’s ‘Islamic’ status
BY ZURAIRI AROCTOBER 31, 2013

KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 31 — A RM10 million budget to renovate a Hindu temple in Klang, Selangor has drawn the ire of Muslim activists who today claimed the project promotes “infidel religions” and jeopardises Malaysia’s position as an “Islamic country”.

Ikatan Muslimin Malaysia (ISMA) said the Sri Sundaraja Perumal temple renovation, if allowed to proceed, would lower Malaysia’s image as a modern “Islamic country” in the eyes of Muslim tourists—especially those from the Middle East.

“A project like that has gone beyond the Constitution’s meaning which guarantees freedom of religion because it has exceeded the Constitution’s provision which promises the right to practise a religion,” said ISMA president Abdullah Zaik Abdul Rahman in a statement.

“The Prime Minister has pledged to uphold and raise the syiar (glory) of Islam. Any desire to renovate holy sites over what is necessary, such as under the name of tourist attraction goes against that pledge.”

Abdullah claimed that the renovation is an attempt by non-Muslims who are trying to promote their religion using an “unhealthy” competition without respecting Malaysia’s alleged status as an “Islamic country”.

Sri Sundaraja Perumal is currently being rebuilt as a tourism icon for Klang, and is expected to open its doors to global worshippers and tourists from 2015.

It was the first granite temple in the country, which structure followed a design formulae defined by southern Indian temple builders thousands of years ago, according to temple president S. Anandakrishnan.

The Hindu temple—dubbed the Thirupathi of South-East Asia after a famed temple in India—has enlisted the efforts of 50 stone carvers and their families in Kanchipuram, 60km from Chennai, India, to craft the all-granite temple.

Last month, ISMA had attacked a planned 500-acre mega tourism project in Pahang called the “1Malaysia Spiritual Tourism” project, calling it a challenge to the position of Islam as the religion of the federation.

The project, which is undertaken by a company called Enchant Acres Sdn Bhd, will include the creation of a religious and cultural retreat in Pahang that promotes Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Confucianism, Christianity, as well as the Sai Baba and I-Kuan Tao movements, according to the company website.

The group had also criticised the recent construction of Calvary Church’s Convention Centre in Kuala Lumpur that is touted as the largest church building in Southeast Asia.

The Pentecostal church is 600,000 square-feet large and has a 5,000 seat auditorium, as well as a multi-purpose hall, a nursery, lecture halls, and classrooms. Retail stores and cafes will also be built soon.

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malay ... ks405.dpuf
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Interesting that Tarek Fatah is now calling Turkey as part of the fountainhead of international terrorism, along with TSP.

Mr. Tarek Fatah - International Institute for Counter-Terrorism's 13th International Conference



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATGTEFDv4kA
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Agnimitra wrote:Interesting that Tarek Fatah is now calling Turkey as part of the fountainhead of international terrorism, along with TSP.

Mr. Tarek Fatah - International Institute for Counter-Terrorism's 13th International Conference



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATGTEFDv4kA
Tarek Fatah reminds me of another pakistani Anwah Shaikh who many in this forum may be familiar with. The difference between the two is Tarek still considers himself a muslim and I have not seen him criticize islam as a religion. Whereas Anwar Shaikh attacked islam and called it arab imperialism and converted to hinduism and lived in UK until he passed away several years back.
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akashganga wrote:Tarek Fatah reminds me of another pakistani Anwar Shaikh.....Anwar Shaikh attacked islam and called it arab imperialism and converted to hinduism and lived in UK until he passed away several years back.
Anwar Shaikh's take on the Islamic culture: The Islamic Culture
Islamic culture is fundamentalistic for being based on the hatred of non-Muslims
Islamic culture is an extension of the Arab imperialism which has weakened the sense of national identity of the non-Arab Muslims to such an extent that they prefer to call themselves Muslims, the people associated with the Arab traditions instead of being Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians or Afghanis
As the Berbers of yesterday are now coming to realize and confront their ethnic origins are different from being "just an arab".
It is an Islamic law that a Muslim must not befriend a non- Muslim even that be his mother, father, brother, sister or son.
Being a despotic culture, it is inimical to democracy, the system of social equality and people's sovereignty. It is because in Islam, the government belongs to Allah
Absolutism has always been the source of aggression
it glorifies violence and sanctifies murder and pillage of the non-Muslims and abduction of their women for spreading the name of Allah
That's why the weak in mind and sadistic in character types are drawn to this cult. Nazis on the run are a prime example. The cult is all forgiving.
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Aung San Suu Kyi: falling from grace
Ethnic violence erupted last year in Sittwe, the capital of Burma’s Rakhine state. Rohingya Muslims bore the brunt of the violence with an estimated 142,000 now living in a series of squalid camps. In April, Human Rights Watch accused government and military officials, as well as local extremist groups, of ethnic cleansing.

When asked about HRW’s findings by the BBC, Ms Suu Kyi dismissed them out of hand. “It’s not ethnic cleansing,” she said. “What the world needs to understand (is) that the fear is not just on the side of the Muslims, but on the side of the Buddhists as well.” This is her standard response to questions about the violence. Nobody bears responsibility. Instead, “fear” is blamed. Everyone suffers “equally”. In Ms Suu Kyi’s world, victims and offenders are the same.

...Muslims in Burma were troubled by several other references in her BBC interview. First, a reference to those Muslims who had “managed to integrate” has made many feel uncomfortable. Here’s what she said: “I would like to make the point that there are many moderate Muslims in Burma who have been well integrated into our society….” That’s got many people asking whether she thinks Muslims have to acquire some sort of “Burmeseness” in order to be “accepted”. There is, of course, no such thing as a national identity in Burma. The constitution recognises 135 different ethnic groups

Secondly, Ms Suu Kyi seems to suggest that the violence was caused by Buddhists’ fear of what she calls “global Muslim power”, saying: “You, I think, will accept that there is a perception that Muslim power, global Muslim power, is very great and certainly that is the perception in many parts of the world, and in our country too.” This is dangerous territory for the Nobel Prize winner.
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Latest Late-Night Host to Come Under Fire: Conan O'Brien Slammed for Tweet About Muslim Marvel Superhero
Before it was deleted, the tweet read: "Marvel Comics is introducing a new Muslim Female superhero. She has so many more special powers than her husband's other wives."
O'Brien's comment angered quite a few of his 9.2 million followers, as well as other Twitter users, who pointed out that the Muslim superhero is a teen girl from New Jersey and not a housewife. In the series Kamala Khan, who takes on the name Ms. Marvel, is a typical 16-year-old whose religion doesn't play a major role. (Kamala got the Ms. Marvel title after the previous holder took on the Captain Marvel role herself.)
Kamala Khan? supposedly a Paki-American character. But isn't Kamala a Sanskrit name for a Paki character? Why not make the character Paki through and through? ...weird.
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A couple of observations from extended stay in India and back
- The sound of the azan is becoming louder with each year.
- A lot more muslim women dressing up Arab style vs the desi burkha
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Isn't this an example of rampant islamophobia?

Afghan loses British citizenship over terror training claims
LONDON: An Afghan stripped of his British citizenship for allegedly travelling to Pakistan and Afghanistan for terrorism training lost his appeal against the decision on Wednesday.

The 41-year-old, identified only as Y1, claimed asylum in Britain in 1998 and became a British national in 2004.

But he allegedly travelled to Miranshah, the main town in Pakistan’s northwestern tribal area of North Waziristan, for terror training in 2010, and was then captured by British forces in the western Afghan city of Herat in July 2011.

Home Secretary Theresa May rescinded him of his citizenship later that month.
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venug wrote:Latest Late-Night Host to Come Under Fire: Conan O'Brien Slammed for Tweet About Muslim Marvel Superhero
Before it was deleted, the tweet read: "Marvel Comics is introducing a new Muslim Female superhero. She has so many more special powers than her husband's other wives."
O'Brien's comment angered quite a few of his 9.2 million followers, as well as other Twitter users, who pointed out that the Muslim superhero is a teen girl from New Jersey and not a housewife. In the series Kamala Khan, who takes on the name Ms. Marvel, is a typical 16-year-old whose religion doesn't play a major role. (Kamala got the Ms. Marvel title after the previous holder took on the Captain Marvel role herself.)
Kamala Khan? supposedly a Paki-American character. But isn't Kamala a Sanskrit name for a Paki character? Why not make the character Paki through and through? ...weird.
Seinfeld also had a Paki restaurant owner called Babu Bhatt. :roll:
Can't get more SDRE than Babu. Why not be TFTA and call him Muhammad Ali Khan?
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O"Yee Youngman, Yearn For Vyoage To Arabia
Shereen El Feki joins HuffPost Live to discuss how traditional Arab values are constantly pushing women towards oral and anal sex.
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KJoishy wrote: Seinfeld also had a Paki restaurant owner called Babu Bhatt. :roll:
Can't get more SDRE than Babu. Why not be TFTA and call him Muhammad Ali Khan?
This is an old TFTA practice. In Sherlock Holmes "Sign of Four" 3 Sikhs are named: "Dost Akbar, Abdullah Khan, Mahomet Singh."

Mahomet Singh. Because obviously to the TFTAs "all y'all look alike!"
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Jaeger, Flash Gordon in late 1960s had a Sikh commander of the space ship. We all clapped till we saw he had no mustache only a beared. The comic strip was withdrawn from Illustrated weekly..
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ramana wrote:Jaeger, Flash Gordon in late 1960s had a Sikh commander of the space ship. We all clapped till we saw he had no mustache only a beared. The comic strip was withdrawn from Illustrated weekly..
I remember reading a "Commando" comic book in the '60s which had Kali-disciple named Ram Khan. Go figure!
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Anup, IIRC Behram was a Thugee responsible for 100's of deaths. He was a Khan. His son was Ali. Possibly that angle to that reflected.
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harbans, VERY MUCH doubt the writers of Commando (Gott in himmel bless thier souls) comics delved that much into accuracy. After all, their German was limited to "Himmel -- aarrgh!" and Japanese was "Die, white scum -- aaieeee!" On a slightly pisko note, it always struck me how the Japanese scream was more "girly" - "aaaiieee!" vs. the manly TFTA "aarrggh!"
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Anyway to ward off the Breapers, this post also makes a contribution, a truly interesting post by Sam Harris:

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/isla ... of-ecstasy
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News like this has become so common - that it hardly makes our interest list any more... (and this is just a selection of such ghastly attacks from the last couple of days)

Separate attacks across Iraq kill 20

Afghan villagers find the bodies of 6 beheaded contractors in restive southern province

Nigeria: 26 Persons Killed in Boko Haram Night Raids On Borno Villages

Afghanistan suicide bombing leaves six dead
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Themes of child sacrifice - one from Tanzania and another from Afghanistan...

Tanzania dismantles al-Shabaab child indoctrination camp in Tanga region
20 children, aged between 4 and 13 and who "had been completely brainwashed" by al-Shabaab at a local mosque, were placed in a rehabilitation programme, Liwowa told Sabahi.

When police found them at Madina mosque, the youngsters possessed exercise books which contained teachings on "how to kill using a knife [or] a machete, how to fight aggressors with weapons and without [weapons], how to sabotage the economy and how to liberate East Africa from the hands of the kuffar [infidels]," according to Liwowa.

Al-Shabaab had brainwashed these children to the point that they disowned their parents as not being true Muslims because they intermingled with non-Muslims, he said.
9 children killed in Afghanistan roadside bomb blasts
A roadside bomb killed seven children from the same family in eastern Afghanistan's Paktika province, said the governor's spokesman Mokhlis Afghan. Another three children in the family were wounded. The children were playing on a road near their home when the bomb exploded.

In a separate incident in southern Zabul province, two children were killed when their family's vehicle hit a roadside bomb, Zabul's deputy governor, Mohammed Jan Rasoolyar said. The family was travelling to the provincial capital of Qalat for shopping. The father was wounded along with a third child, Rasoolyar said.
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anupmisra wrote:
ramana wrote:Jaeger, Flash Gordon in late 1960s had a Sikh commander of the space ship. We all clapped till we saw he had no mustache only a beared. The comic strip was withdrawn from Illustrated weekly..
I remember reading a "Commando" comic book in the '60s which had Kali-disciple named Ram Khan. Go figure!
the only comic book that I saw had a decent depiction of indian culture to some extent, was alan moore's league of extraordinary gentleman. his captain nemo is a sikh, and a bloodthirsty, completely accomplished warrior never mind the scientific genius of the group, who is also in synch with his civilizational culture - eg worships Kali.

http://images.wikia.com/villains/images ... 00x600.jpg

and in action. the other characters fear him more than hyde on this occasion.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lheh1 ... o1_500.jpg

naseeruddin shah just could not play him with the requisite dash of elan in the pathetic adaptation of this amazing work

ps: who all remember that the evil pirates in the phantom series were actually the "singh brotherhood" renamed the "sangh brotherhood" to be PC? should make diggy happy.
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They were called singh brotherhood of the coastof Bengalla and were in the first episode.
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Do check out G. Willow Wilson's "Air" and "Cairo". All is peaceful onlee; pretty rich imagination/talent except for the occasional whitewashes - the author converted to Islam many moons ago.

In "Air" you had a Muslim hero romancing the central character, the head of an international intelligence initiative is a full fledged Mullah, turban and beard and cloak and all. There's also a group of Muslim Rockers fighting Islamist terrorists in Pakistan :shock: . "Cairo" is a decent channeling of Neil Gaiman, with Nile Underground, Old Ones and Magical Realism..... mixed with Islam.

BTW, her memoir , "Butterfly Mosque" is apparently a good work.... got to read it someday.
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ramana wrote:They were called singh brotherhood of the coastof Bengalla and were in the first episode.
Who can forget Start Trek's "The Wrath of Khan" with the main genetically engineered character named "Khan Noonien Singh" from the plains of Punjab? Singh brotherhood with an overlay of a malsi name? The circle is complete.
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Posted on 8/21/2012 1:40:50 AM by NYer

The Norwegian news portal VG Nett is reporting that a Muslim terrorist group, Ansar al-Sunna’, is threatening that if a section of the nation's capitol isn't transformed into a sharia-complaint Muslim nation, an attack rivaling 9/11 will be launched upon the Scandinavian nation.

VG Nett has stated that the Norwegian Police Security Service (Politiets sikkerhetstjeneste - PST) is already familiar with many members of this particular terror group.

As translated by Michael Laudahn,

"If norwegian soldiers can take planes to Afghanistan, then Osama and Mohammed can also take planes to Norway, inshaAllah.

Now, the government must wake up and assume responsibility, before this war spreads to Norway. Before the counterpart reacts. Before moslems take the step necessary.

Do not confuse the moslems’ silence with weakness. Do not profit from the moslems’ patience. Do not force us to do something that can be avoided. This is not a threat, only the words of truth. The words of justice.

A warning that the consequences can be fatal. A warning about a 9/11 on norwegian ground, or larger attacks than the one carried out on 22 july. This is for your own good and in your own best interest.’

We do not want to be a part of norwegian society. And we do not consider it necessary either to move away from Norway, because we were born and grew up here. And Allah’s earth belongs to everybody.
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FB 405 -I was given a unique gift at KBC recently .. a Vice president of the MNS presented me a Quran, with an electronic gadget, which when you point it at any writings of the Holy Quran gives its explanation in whatever language button you press ... blessed
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MashaAllah may Allah SWT calls you in to Islam the total way of life.
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Amitabh Bachchan... i think u r very old, but whatsoever ur age is as u revert towards Islam ALLAH forgives u n make u just as new born baby... Do u need any help do tell
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Yemen wedding bloodbath as three shot accidentally during Gangnam Style dance
A wedding celebration in Yemen ended in catastrophe after a guest shot three people by mistake when he attempted to fire his AK-47 in the air while crowds danced to gangnam style.
Graphic video. Warning.
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The last will and testament of a Muslim man, which was prepared according to Greek civil law, has been annulled in the Greek Supreme Court because it is not compliant with sharia law.
Demeter Simeonidou, who was Muslim and lived in Thrace, wanted to leave all his assets to his wife. He prepared his will with this in mind under Greek law. But the will was challenged by Mr Simoenidou's sister who claimed that under Islamic law of succession, a Muslim does not have the right to make a public will and his assets must be distributed in accordance with sharia.
The Supreme Court's decision overturns the rights of Greek minority Muslims in Thrace to prepare wills under Greek civil law, a right which they have enjoyed since 1946.
It is thought the decision will affect thousands of Muslims who have drawn up wills under the civil law, all of which may be invalid under the Supreme Court's ruling.
Previously only family law fell under the jurisdiction of Islamic muftis in Greece, but that was changed after sharia courts were condemned by the Council of Europe's Commissioner for Human Rights as being discriminatory against women.
Greek Court places Sharia over Civil Law

PS: India it has already happened ref Shah Bano case, thanks to Secular icon RG.
This is the limitation of secularism (that i have pointed in my posts here and in my blog). The State will interpret =rights of excluvist religions are the peril of common universal tenets. Classical secularism will also devolve with liberal policies to decisions as made above. This is a natural transition. We need an meta ethic overlay superior to the weaknesses we see in Secular establishments to curb Islamism.
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