Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 23 Nov 2013 13:45

it is comical to see the amount of effort pumped into this "stalk-gate".

is this all they can come up with after YEARS of putting him and his aides in probably total surveillance on phone taps, probably bugging his rooms when he travels out of guj and getting people to go against him..

if you subject this scrutiny to any other top politician you would get tons of material in just a week.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 23 Nov 2013 14:30

Gus ji,
How did an alleged "snoop" transform into a "stalk" in our paid media discourse is what I wonder.

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 23 Nov 2013 14:53

AAP goons are trying to stop Citizen 4 forces group from protesting for National War Memorial, One Rank one Pension, Justice for Capt. Kalia! Citizen for forces are protesting for these on Jantar Mantar and they just posted this update on their FB page. Who will oppose these in their right mind? Its not even political. My hatred for AAP is about to cross my hatred for Congress. Is it this easy in India to get the minds of a group of people so warped that they start protesting against demands of justice for a martyr?

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 23 Nov 2013 15:20

kittoo wrote:AAP goons are trying to stop Citizen 4 forces group from protesting for National War Memorial, One Rank one Pension, Justice for Capt. Kalia! Citizen for forces are protesting for these on Jantar Mantar and they just posted this update on their FB page. Who will oppose these in their right mind? Its not even political. My hatred for AAP is about to cross my hatred for Congress. Is it this easy in India to get the minds of a group of people so warped that they start protesting against demands of justice for a martyr?

They are NACxalites. What do you expect? They shoot and scoot. Anything that unifies the country is communal for them.

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 23 Nov 2013 15:22

Deans wrote:AAP will attract a few super educated elites just as the naxals once attracted some of the cream of kolkata students. firebrand socialism in theory sounds very attractive, in practice in a poor country it has always been a disaster.

Yes, the IIT-IIM crowd are salivating over him + a few wannabe IITian types. The joke is, their own personal preferences in economics, nationalism, governance is 180* of what they strongly believe in. They are just going by "sounds like a honest person who wants to change and his not corrupt, lets give him a chance"

Sometime I think higher education in India comes with a free lobotomy.

For the record, I'm from IIM (A) and thought AK was an a$$---- from the beginning. Was hoping for something like this expose.
P.S - I'm also Christian and consider myself a strong NaMo supporter.

I am supposed to be from an IIT and I believe both Arvnd Kerjwal as well as NaMo are pretty cool.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 23 Nov 2013 15:24

RoyG wrote:
They are NACxalites. What do you expect? They shoot and scoot. Anything that unifies the country is communal for them.

You mean to tell me that any act that is under taken by a community as a whole is not communal.

WTF, kind of logic is that.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 23 Nov 2013 15:27

I have found Jats on the internet to be hyper-casteist irrespective of religion.

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 23 Nov 2013 15:28

AAP Goons are having a musical concert at the same place. Could not accept others occupying the same place fighting for a noble cause.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 23 Nov 2013 15:53

Naxals only hear to force. Ask for AP police.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 23 Nov 2013 15:55

Deans wrote:For the record, I'm from IIM (A) and thought AK was an a$$---- from the beginning. Was hoping for something like this expose.

+1. Doubt that any self-respecting management graduate would have much sympathy for the AAP. IITians, being more 'technical' oriented may be a different kettle of fish.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 23 Nov 2013 16:12

AAP has a strong presence in Delhi due to the anti-corruption and nirbhaya movement which Kejriwal managed to ride on. They are going to do well according to my feedbacks. People are angry and are not looking at other things e.g. Kejriwal's leftist economic policies. Plus, the Delhi BJP is seen as part of the establishment. I don't know if they will win but they will pull in significant votes.

niran · Post by **niran** » 23 Nov 2013 17:18

Supratik wrote:AAP has a strong presence in Delhi due to the anti-corruption and nirbhaya movement which Kejriwal managed to ride on. They are going to do well according to my feedbacks. People are angry and are not looking at other things e.g. Kejriwal's leftist economic policies. Plus, the Delhi BJP is seen as part of the establishment. I don't know if they will win but they will pull in significant votes.

the people are angry AAP contrary to the plan was eating into congress votes and due to that BJP was winning
in areas supposed to be congress fiefdom, the traditional BJP areas are still with BJP, and every hour mohalla by mohalla congress is losing ground to BJP, the equation now is BJP 49% of votes, AAP 18% of votes while Congress 30% of the votes, do the maths, you will know the sudden leper like treatment for AAP by media houses. expect some of the candidates to be disqualified right before election.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 23 Nov 2013 17:43

AAP never says corruption is con race phenomena or clean progressive go governance of NaMo.

Its an indicator to generalize corruption when it's not- why should any party do that?

More like AAP against BJP more than AAP against corruption.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 23 Nov 2013 17:55

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/modi- ... 45347.html

5.10 pm: Modi expected very soon. Large crowds have gathered in DDA Park, Dwarka Sector 14, Delhi, where Modi will address a mega rally very soon. The mood is electric as people wait for Modi, who has addressed two rallies earlier today, both in Madhya Pradesh.

Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/politics/modi- ... ef_article

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Nov 2013 18:20

it seems kapil sibal's wife has some share in a meat export co named arihant exports ghaziabad whose official addr is the same as her house addr per this link
http://dharmanext.blogspot.in/2012/09/k ... rting.html
http://www.apeda.gov.in/apedawebsite/An ... _APEDA.pdf

jains have been leading a protest campaign against the name Arihant for a meat processing operation. there is no info on what kind of meat it is exporting..but one can guess.

Ashok Sarraff · Post by **Ashok Sarraff** » 23 Nov 2013 18:21

Modi on stage now. Narendramodi.in .

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Nov 2013 18:24

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Nov 2013 18:26

naming an operation that kills & exports buffalo meat after jain tirthankars....surely the height of congi sickularism on display
https://www.causes.com/causes/792187/updates/610787

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Nov 2013 18:31

ANI ‏@ANI_news 1h
Ujjain : Narendra Modi at Mahakaleshwar Temple earlier today

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 23 Nov 2013 18:36

NoMo Speach Live

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 23 Nov 2013 19:39

Folks.. today in TV News I saw Manmohan Singh (of all people) talking about a major security threat, and asking states to be on extra vigil. Now it is the first time I am hearing a Prime Minister saying that. So is some thing cooking up (especially against Modi)? More than a genuine warning MMS looked like was trying for an anticipatory bail.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Nov 2013 19:47

^^worrisome indeed... scary how much hangs in the balance on the shoulders of but one man... Anything but a Hemu redux this time...

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 23 Nov 2013 20:04

It is time mil is deployed then.. and declare emergency. so, that modi can't reach 2014

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 23 Nov 2013 20:09

What is the crowd size in Dwarka?

Tweets that MT has ordered live coverage of Modi's Delhi speech. True? I am watching it on Niti but no idea of crowd size.

Another tweet doing rounds from pAAP AK not to hit modi directly as that will annoy AAP supporters who are also NaMo supporters.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 23 Nov 2013 20:30

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 23 Nov 2013 20:40

Lilo wrote:Gus ji,
How did an alleged "snoop" transform into a "stalk" in our paid media discourse is what I wonder.

saw that somewhere..they were also pushing "saheb" - in italics, whenever they referred to modi. ooooooo sinister...

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 23 Nov 2013 22:27

Unbelievable!

In aap ki adalat, when Rajat Sharma asked Sheila Dikshit, why her schemes are not completing fully even after 15 years of rule, SD answers, for what would she ask for votes if she completed everything!! People would ask her to quit if she did so!!

From 8:00 to 9:15

Added later: Didn't realize this was a pre-recorded show on 5th Oct re-telecasted again today.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 23 Nov 2013 22:57

Was that Sidhu? The man can talk!

He should be Modi's sports minister.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 23 Nov 2013 23:33

anyone watched that 'saaheb' video ? what's it about ? any good analysis anywhere ?
do the transcript match the vid ?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 24 Nov 2013 00:17

^^^ Umm Video ?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 24 Nov 2013 00:27

didn't they release the video ? or was it just audio ?

I was frankly not interested in cobrapost's circus enough to pay attention.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 24 Nov 2013 04:12

Healthy to burst our own intellectual bubbles time to time...

Am coming round to the view that the Cong and its proxies maybe on to something after all... evidence for the lack of a Modi effect in people's minds and hence at the booth level is everywhere around us.... sample this from Rajasthan which votes soon...

This allegedly from a mainority mohalla...

disha · Post by **disha** » 24 Nov 2013 04:48

^^ Okay you want some humour:

Get a puke bucket., take your brains out and put your brains in a drawer and then watch this:

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/truth- ... ory/298969

1. In short, all politicians are liar (by suspended IAS officer Pradeep Sharma)
2. Modi and AS are trying to prevent "compromising video" (or as some people already calling "sex-tape") of NaMo (*will come to this later)
3. Suspended IAS officer P Sharma is insisting that
3a. He is hounded because he is near to the family
3b. He will not get justice in Guj. for all cases slapped on him (see 3a)

Note: The charges were approved by Guj HC and convicted and spent time in Jail. Since the case is with SC - it appears that PS is out on bail (fuzzy here). Further the charges are severe.

From 16 mins. onwards there is GVLN on behalf of BJP and he points out that PS is a fraudster - so now NDTV wants to play in between "he says she says."

*Incriminating position of NaMo

Let us say, NaMo got caught in Maneka trap and indulged into ahem-ahem. Isn't it a breach of his privacy that his most private moments are intruded upon? Isn't he a human in front of law. Particularly if two consenting adults indulge in ahem-ahem. Why SG and RG (not Rahul, Rajiv!) did not indulge in ahem-ahem?

And NaMo never said he is a Sadhu who has given up on material world. He has weaknesses for the following - Mont Blanc pens, Modi Kurtas materially. So what exactly people expect?

As I said, puke worthy. Put your brains back on and back to usual programming. Ahem-Ahem.

PPS: Okay I admit, I will be devastated if Modi has indulged in adult consenting ahem-ahem and the object of his attention is *not* a bombshell. Tharoor really needs some competition in that department. So if NaMo has indulged in ahem-ahem - it better be a bombshell!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 24 Nov 2013 05:00

^

Somebody should ask these guys, whether everybody in India who does consensual ahem-ahem among adults in private should first ask Government of India for permission?

Doesn't the Constitution provide under III.21

No person shall be deprived of his life or personal liberty except according to procedure established by law.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 24 Nov 2013 05:20

The character vilification campaign against Modi does not depend upon any illegality of his actions. It simply depends upon showing Modi as yet another Human being. The threshold for bringing down leaders who claim to be nationalist, Hindu, etc. have a different set of requirements projected by the media minions. While an Abhishek Singhvi can be rehabilitated inspite of doing certain activities in official chamber, Nithyananda cannot be (inspite of the CD being proven as doctored).

And all this because, due to certain panths getting undue weightage, abstinence/tyaag/forgiving/pain have been given perverted high importance. And a leader is supposed to abide by all this. The slightest of weakness is used to pull him down by rivals, with full consent of the support base.

Aurangzeb aur Angrez chale gaye lekin vikruti chhod gaye.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 24 Nov 2013 05:37

the main problem with indian msm is that they think they can drive the facts and truth, as they feel fit. they are taking the role of investigation, governance, police job, and finally given a chance, will deliver justice as well. the phucker can't wait for the guest to finish a sentence... rather he wants to just keep asking from a list of questions he wants to ask. what chutiyagiri.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 24 Nov 2013 06:18

SaiK wrote:the main problem with indian msm is that they think they can drive the facts and truth, as they feel fit. they are taking the role of investigation, governance, police job, and finally given a chance, will deliver justice as well. the phucker can't wait for the guest to finish a sentence... rather he wants to just keep asking from a list of questions he wants to ask. what chutiyagiri.

The Arnab show is one example and such a fish market. No one allowed to talk with too much disruption. The folks who come there to talk are also similar and they don't give opportunity to other to talk and take away all the time to talk history, geography etc.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 24 Nov 2013 07:57

Back with Shehzada jibe, Modi says it is a battle of two ideas

Addressing an election rally in Delhi on Saturday, BJP's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi sought to pitch his attacks on Congress vice-president Rahul Gandhi as a contest between their two separate ideas for India.

"Congress's shehzada says that there are two thoughts in India. Shehzade, I tend to agree with you on this count. Unfortunately, you have not outlined which are those two thoughts," Modi said in an apparent attempt to contrast his ideas with that of Rahul Gandhi's for a future of India.

"Your idea of India is that of a beehive, while in my idea India is like a mother," Modi said referring to a remark made by Rahul earlier this year at a CII function.

"For you, poverty is a state of mind, for us poor is daridra narayan," Modi said taking a dig at Rahul's remarks on poverty. Modi said, "While your idea is to enjoy the politics over the poor, the plight of the poor makes us restless." Modi ridiculed Rahul's frequent visits to the homes of the poor and Dalits and said that the Nehru-Indira family scion had not even bothered to provide sanitation facilities in the slums near his own residence in the Capital.

"In your idea, money does not grow on trees, but in our idea money is grown by farmers in their fields," Modi said.

"It is a battle of two ideas: Your dynastic, ours nationalistic. Your idea is how to save power, while ours is how to save the country," Modi said.

It was the first time that Modi positioned his tirade against the Nehru-Indira family scion as a battle of two ideas for India. Modi slammed the Congress's brand of politics of not being concerned about the welfare of the people and focussed solely around winning elections.

Modi said that Congress was reluctant to engage him on these ideas and was trying to skirt these issues for its electoral convenience. "The Congress party has admitted that God has created it to rule. They think they are born to rule and people are in our pocket," Modi said hinting the party to engage him on ideas rather than scaring the electorate about him.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 24 Nov 2013 08:19

Don't you guys get it?

State gov't is trailing the girl ,who is in touch with a boor-o-crat who is suspended on very serious allegation , and the surveillance is requested by the girls father...3 years from that even ,months from the general election,the suspended boor-o-crats pal in the IPS leaks the transcript to a shady group of journalist,once associated with turd-pal...nothing in the tape indicates that the girls personal life has been violated...and there is nothing to indicate that the girl even met Modi...

sharma's claim fall flat on the ground by even a cursory examination of the facts..

he claims that he had the vids of Modi with the girl and that is why he was victimised ...why was he in touch with the girl then? ...and what business of his was to have videos of 2 consenting adults even if such a video even existed?

why is it that, so many years after his suspension ,months before the general elections ,he brings all these out?

and the serious criminal charges against him date years before the supposed surveillance..

PS: I don't think Modi would indulge in anything of that sort..not with someone half his age...he is as good as a sadhu...if he ,indeed indulged in anything of that sort,CON-goons would have had the DVDs out by now...

one of the reasons why he is untouchable is because he has no personal weakness..he has no family...does not drink...uninterested in sex...someone above the normal human...

There is a reason why he has been able to almost single-handedly take on, the gigantic dictatorial machinery of the CON party...Can 1 single human possibly do such a thing? no...modi is not your ordinary mortal...

CON-goons very well know that this "snoopegate" is a dupe-gate only...would not stand in court...but it might raise doubts in mind of the fence-sitters...what kind of doubt ? ...that could these Modi ,whom many people equate the the nth avatar of vishnu,be an ordinary "human" after all? after such doubts are raised ,there will be a series of ad hominem arguments ..."you guys thought he was god,but look he allegedly "ahem ,ahemed" with a chick half his age (again no evidence offered,just plausible deniability)..so could all his development claims be false too? (again raising doubts)...

so this whole thing is just a filthy attempt at plausible deniability and "cleanest saffron syndrome"..and is mainly aimed at fence-sitters..

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Nov 2013 08:30

If somehow Modi comes to power what will Omar Abduallh do in J&K? He had jumped ship from NDA to UPA when they came to power. And who does Mufti support?