Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections
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Kejriwal job is not win elections, but make sure BJP does not wins. If AAP ends up creating a worse situation of splitting INC votes and say BJP wins 45+ seats. INC will wind it up, if it dents BJP chances, It will be funded across India
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Khujliwal is merely a diversion. I think we can safely writeoff Delhi (see below for why)
Voter list errors could roil Delhi assembly elections
Voter list errors could roil Delhi assembly elections
According to a study, one in five names in Delhi’s list of voters should not be there
New Delhi: One in five names in Delhi’s list of voters should not be there, says a study, and the fact that it is could emerge as a significant factor in the upcoming elections in the city-state, which is likely to be a close fight between the incumbent Congress and the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).
The fledgling Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) and the Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP) have turned the 4 December assembly elections in the national capital into a four-cornered contest.
The study says the errors in the list have arisen because of the inclusion of voters who have died, shifted or cannot be traced. The so-called “phantom voters” are not deleted from the voters’ list because the current practice focuses on making only additions to the list, the study adds. Of the 12.3 million registered voters in Delhi, around 2.3 million names (19%) should be deleted.
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If pAAP don't win(which my instinct says they won't), will the foreign handlers keep pouring money and effort into pAAP? If pAAP is decimated, I do not think they would. If pAAP do ok, they will live perhaps to act like a thorn in the side of congress.nageshks wrote:Another interview with Kejriwal. He says he will not quit politics if AAP loses. Is this an early concession of defeat?
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/wont-quit-po ... 0-258.html
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Why is kejriwal saying election commission sent notice because
1) Anna movement was Hindu majority event, therefore
2) Kejriwal sent letters to Muslims
3) Anna's movement was people's movement in the sense not many leaders were allowed to hog limelight
so what explains kejriwal's hobnobing with muslim leaders..
4) why blame Anna movement as Hindu majority to hide his hobnobing with muslim leaders
5) shouldn't leftists directly deal with people and not with religious leaders
1) Anna movement was Hindu majority event, therefore
2) Kejriwal sent letters to Muslims
3) Anna's movement was people's movement in the sense not many leaders were allowed to hog limelight
so what explains kejriwal's hobnobing with muslim leaders..
4) why blame Anna movement as Hindu majority to hide his hobnobing with muslim leaders
5) shouldn't leftists directly deal with people and not with religious leaders
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Notice how all his admirers have dropped out of this thread. They are embarrassed that they have to defend this buffoon. He plays dirty politics, has prominent NAC/Congressites advising him, indulges in corruption, etc. All these AAP people don't have the guts to do anything. They just join rallies and shout some stupid slogans with a broom. They have no vision for India which is any different from Congress. Same secular-left garbage that is destroying the country. They openly court islamic extremists so they can get votes now. Pathetic.
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A thorn in the side of Congress? Yaar, they are Congress.panduranghari wrote:If pAAP don't win(which my instinct says they won't), will the foreign handlers keep pouring money and effort into pAAP? If pAAP is decimated, I do not think they would. If pAAP do ok, they will live perhaps to act like a thorn in the side of congress.nageshks wrote:Another interview with Kejriwal. He says he will not quit politics if AAP loses. Is this an early concession of defeat?
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/wont-quit-po ... 0-258.html

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its like SS party , he will keep playing along and few years from now join cong/BJP
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Yes they are. B team and all that. They will not take orders once they loose. I also feel pAAP is a way for congress leaders to find another party to hitch a ride on when the existing congress tanks. Its then when we will see a real fight. All and sundry from Congress will want to join pAAP as they is their get out of jail card and the way to remain relevant in politics. My thoughts onlee.
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When the existing Congress tanks and they lose power, they won't be joining AAP. They will be on the first plane out of the country.
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Not every one can leave. The mainos will. Besides they already have a foreign passport. Do the others also have foreign passports. Its possible they do. Besides 'itna loota hai, st kitts ka passport toh khareeda ja saktaa hai'
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Let me throw a curveball and say that Anna Hazare is a Congress agent who tried to steal the wave from Baba Ramdev and RSS. He wanted to split the hindu middle class vote. I would say Arvind Kejriwal has done a good thing by positioning the party as leftist-pro poor-pro minority and repelling BJP voters and attracting a small chunk of congress voters. This is helping BJP in delhi. The so called charm of AAP among middle class is bogus, Modi wave is enabling the BJP voter to stay with BJP. It is congress that is getting hit and that is why they are doing this campaign via media against him. This maybe just be a cong strategy that misfired or are we reading it the reverse.
Did Arvind Kejriwal realize that Anna Hazare was out to screw the BJP and in turn said, congress is worse than BJP and so let me kick this old guy out and destroy congress. That is when he starting removing hindu symbols and did all the typical muslim pandering stuff. Is he a BJP mole in the Anna Movement, did he sabotage it exactly the way BJP wanted.
Just think about it the way I have described, it may sound odd; but why on earth would a party/movement that was designed to split BJP vote actually do minority appeasement even worse than congress, why would they talk about kashmir separation. Would MNS succeed in splitting Shiv Sena vote if they praise Aurangazeb. Most of AAP's policy's are leftists (entitlement based economics), their positions on national security issues mirror the congress, their social policies and minority appeasement is worse than congress. This is as far as you can be from the BJP. Then how on earth is can we think that AK's job is to cut BJP votes. Either as I described the movement was designed to cut BJP/RSS, but it turned rogue or One should read an old post by Rudradev ji, where he describes how this movement was a bargaining chip by NAC jholawalas who could not get their place in Sonia's team, which also proves that this movement was to cut congress votes.
No movement can be perfect, so in the process they will eat some bjp votes also. So if BJP vote stays at 36%, it may have gone to 40% with a 4% swing vote from congress if not for AAP, but congress has lost a lot more than 4% of their vote becos of these jokers.
Did Arvind Kejriwal realize that Anna Hazare was out to screw the BJP and in turn said, congress is worse than BJP and so let me kick this old guy out and destroy congress. That is when he starting removing hindu symbols and did all the typical muslim pandering stuff. Is he a BJP mole in the Anna Movement, did he sabotage it exactly the way BJP wanted.
Just think about it the way I have described, it may sound odd; but why on earth would a party/movement that was designed to split BJP vote actually do minority appeasement even worse than congress, why would they talk about kashmir separation. Would MNS succeed in splitting Shiv Sena vote if they praise Aurangazeb. Most of AAP's policy's are leftists (entitlement based economics), their positions on national security issues mirror the congress, their social policies and minority appeasement is worse than congress. This is as far as you can be from the BJP. Then how on earth is can we think that AK's job is to cut BJP votes. Either as I described the movement was designed to cut BJP/RSS, but it turned rogue or One should read an old post by Rudradev ji, where he describes how this movement was a bargaining chip by NAC jholawalas who could not get their place in Sonia's team, which also proves that this movement was to cut congress votes.
No movement can be perfect, so in the process they will eat some bjp votes also. So if BJP vote stays at 36%, it may have gone to 40% with a 4% swing vote from congress if not for AAP, but congress has lost a lot more than 4% of their vote becos of these jokers.
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I think many will go. Either that or they start spilling secrets and dealings with foreign governments which will be quite embarrassing. I expect a few to end up in a ditch somewhere or hanging from a ceiling fan. Reminds me of a pyramid scheme. Once it goes bust everyone towards the bottom will end up turning on each other and begging for mercy.
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The only loophole I can see in this is that, this movement was to garner the 'new voters' that may otherwise would have gone to BJP. It did succeed somewhat in that. The old BJP votes did not leave for reason you describe. Congress lost some 'old' voters. This is where it is hurting them most.
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I agree, but what prompted to think this way was "why would they talk of kashmiri separatism and call batla encounter fake if they want to appeal to a prospective BJP voter?"fanne wrote:The only loophole I can see in this is that, this movement was to garner the 'new voters' that may otherwise would have gone to BJP. It did succeed somewhat in that. The old BJP votes did not leave for reason you describe. Congress lost some 'old' voters. This is where it is hurting them most.
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Cong at disadvantage: Shadow of Muzaffarnagar riots on Delhi poll
The Muzaffarnagar riots may have a strong bearing on the Delhi Assembly elections. It may sound unlikely, but it could well prove true in a good number of constituencies where Jats are either dominant or can influence the outcome. And that’s not good news for the Congress in a closely contested poll.
Muzaffarnagar after the riots. PTI In a closely contested triangular election, every single vote and seat matters and the undercurrents of what happened around 130 km from the national capital have already started making their impact felt among the political class. The unfortunate riots in that region were mostly between Jats and Muslims.
The geographical proximity between Delhi and Muzaffarnagar translates into considerable social contact and relations. That’s the reason why this could affect the Delhi election but may not affect Rajasthan. Delhi being a city state, that too a metropolis and India’s capital that broadly reflects national population profile, there is a tendency not to scrutinise voters’ inclination and polling pattern along caste or community lines. Moreover, in these elections there is too much of media attention on how Arvind Kejriwal’s Aam Admi Party will perform.
As per an unofficial electoral estimate, Jats constitute a substantive section of population in various pockets in Outer Delhi, North West Delhi and East Delhi, and can influence the outcome in at least 15 constituencies, though some claim that they could influence 20 constituencies. But in that case Gujjar community will also have to accounted for in same vein. This community was also one of the affected groups in the Muzaffarnagar riots.
The BJP has taken Ramvir Singh Bidhuri, a Gujjar leader who wore many political hats, into their fold and has given due importance in the electioneering. Its no secret that after the Muzaffarnagar riots, the Jats of the region have developed a hostility towards the Samajwadi Party and have also developed an antipathy for the Congress. Community members keep on talking about how Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi and Manmohan Singh chose to ignore Jats and went for photo ops showing compassion to the Muslims during their visit to Muzaffarnagar. Though their visit was more tokenism than any substantive relief, there is still a widespread perception that the top Congress leaders didn’t feel for them. The Congress ally Ajit Singh’s RLD is no longer trusted by them. The BJP has suddenly become their first choice. Narendra Modi’s Hindutva credentials make him a hero among many in the Jat community.
Sahib Singh Verma’s son Parvesh is fighting an election on BJP ticket from Mehrauli constituency and Sajjan’s son Jagpravesh is fighting as Congress candidate from Sangam Vihar. The shadow of Muzaffarnagar riots is disadvantage Congress in howsoever number of constituencies it may be.
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Bookies’ call: It’s BJP in Rajasthan, MP; Kejriwal to finish third in Delhi
Sometimes political parties select candidates on the basis of satta rates. Those considered favourite by the market often get the nod ahead of their laggard rivals. Tawari, for instance, was consulted several times by a top leader before finalizing candidates. His advice shattered many dreams. Predictions or 2013: Who is winning in Rajasthan? The BJP is likely to win 114-116 seats out of 200. The Congress will be down to 62-64 and others will win 22-23. Who is ahead in Madhya Pradesh? The BJP will manage to win 122—124 seats. Jyotiraditya Scindia’s efforts will help Congress touch 78-80. What will happen to Arvind Kejriwal? His party would be No 3 with 8-10 seats. The BJP will form the next government with 32-34 seats.
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ABP Survey on Delhi: live
BJP 32, Cong 25, AAP 10
BJP 32, Cong 25, AAP 10
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Link, MuraliRavi-ji?muraliravi wrote:ABP Survey on Delhi: live
BJP 32, Cong 25, AAP 10
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Based on the above survey, we will see a congress govt in delhi.
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I doubt. They will join bjp to cause maximum damage. Plus they will hope to ride on modi wave in 2014 elections.Pratyush wrote:Based on the above survey, we will see a congress govt in delhi.
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Zee News' survey puts it 40 for BJP, 10 for AAP and 18 for Congress.
@Muraliravi saar, very probable & thought provoking theory. I am actually analysing it all, all over again.
@Muraliravi saar, very probable & thought provoking theory. I am actually analysing it all, all over again.
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India Today ORG poll shows BJP forming next Govt.
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http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/cong ... 26810.html
Principal opposition party BJP is likely to seize power from the Congress in Delhi after the December 4 Assembly Election, the latest ORG-India Today opinion poll suggests.
The opinion poll gives the BJP 40 seats in the 70-member House, followed by 18 to the Congress and 10 to Arvind Kejriwal's Aam Aadmi Party (AAP), fighting its maiden election.
The BJP is thus likely to increase its tally by 17 from 23 in 2008 even as there is only a one per cent swing in vote share in its favour. Congress on the other hand is losing a massive 11 per cent vote share from 40 per cent in 2008, losing 25 seats in the process.
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AAP is definitely hurting BJP more than Cong. If AAP was not there what would have been vote% of respective parties, BJP = 37% +47% of 21% (AAP vote) = 47% vote. Congress = 29% +35%of 21%=29%+7=36%. With BJP and Cong in the race (and without AAP), BJP would have had 47% compared to 36% of Cong. It would have been a sweep for BJP. More than what it is now. So from Cong perspective AAP has delivered.
The biggest gainer in Delhi polls is likely to be AAP, which is expected to poll 21 per cent votes.
Even as the Congress looks to be the biggest sufferer, the presence of AAP seems to be more damaging for the BJP as 48 per cent people surveyed by ORG-India Today said they would have voted for the saffron party had Kejriwal's party not been in the fray. The figure stood 35 per cent in the case of Congress and 5 per cent for the BSP.
Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/cong ... 26810.html
The biggest gainer in Delhi polls is likely to be AAP, which is expected to poll 21 per cent votes.
Even as the Congress looks to be the biggest sufferer, the presence of AAP seems to be more damaging for the BJP as 48 per cent people surveyed by ORG-India Today said they would have voted for the saffron party had Kejriwal's party not been in the fray. The figure stood 35 per cent in the case of Congress and 5 per cent for the BSP.
Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/cong ... 26810.html
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But there is an undercurrent of issues that will eventually push BJP over AAP. Modi,Jats (Muzzafarnagar) all will come into play. Just wait!
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Congress pins hope on welfare schemes and caste loyalties to retain power in Rajasthan (telegraph)
And what of the people?Dausa, Nov. 25: The Congress blueprint to stage a comeback in Rajasthan after the December 1 poll is largely predicated on the basket of flagship schemes launched by chief minister Ashok Gehlot.
These schemes include an old-age pension of Rs 500 per month for the poor; free medicines for all and a comprehensive right to treatment scheme; the chief minister’s food security programme; and a pass certificate for all class VIII students in government schools regardless of performance in the exams.
Wow. so modi's appeal to the neo-middle class and the aspirational classes is making itself felt...However, at the core of a growing opposition to the “culture of doles and subsidies” was a belief that it might create a “generation of parasites and idlers”.
T.R. Mahawar, a clerk at Dausa’s collectorate, said he was willing to be quoted on this despite being a government employee. His parents received the old-age pension but he claimed he disapproved of governmental handouts.
“Such things should be need-based. I don’t think my parents need the pension because our support structures are pretty strong. Every time I read about the western economies going downhill, I know a big reason is because their governments and political parties thrive on the culture of doles and subsidies,” said Mahawar, a Koli Dalit.
“I fear we are going the same way. Already because of MGNREGA, there is little or no agricultural labour available, our farms may go waste. Those like me who come from a peasant background have got out the habit of working on farms. Our progeny will forget what it is to labour hard, earn money and then spend it on what they choose to if they are handed food, medicines etc free of cost.”
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http://www.newsbullet.in/india/34-more/ ... nion-poll-nageshks wrote:Link, MuraliRavi-ji?muraliravi wrote:ABP Survey on Delhi: live
BJP 32, Cong 25, AAP 10
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This is what I wrote on facebook https://www.facebook.com/mehtarahulc/po ... 9220516922
1) AAP wont get many poors' votes such as slum votes and mostly get only middle class votes. Why? Because slum voters go as per what LOCAL slum social workers say.
2) And if so, then why is AK sending AAP volunteers to slums? To create an illusion in middle class voters that AAP is targeting Congress voters as well !!
1) Why AAP wont get many poor slum dwellers' votes
All slums have so called LOCAL social-worker who also live in the same slum, and these social workers do petty work for slum dwellers like getting them ration cards, getting them voter cards, getting them some help from govt schemes, sometimes getting them bail etc. This LOCAL social workers do form filling, follow up in govt offices etc etc. They may charge the slum dweller some fees as well. They could also be small time drug-dealers and liquor dealers, but stay away from violent crimes. This LOCAL social worker has contacts with local govt officials, policemen and local judges. The local govt officer, policemen, judges etc will take bribes from this LOCAL social worker, but NOT from slum dweller directly as a govt officer, judges etc are often afraid of taking bribes from strangers as he could be part of a trap. But the local social worker is known and trusted for a long time, and can be assumed as "trap-free". So when application is made for bail or ration card or voter card, the govt officer or policemen or judge will take bribe via this local social worker and speed up the application. The govt officer or judge will NOT take bribe directly for applicant due to fear of trap, and so the application will rot for weeks and months. So for the slum dwellers etc, this LOCAL social worker is a small time hero. And most slum sweller vote as per what social worker say. Now this social worker is often connected with Congress or BJP or SP or BSP and so all votes will go there.
But the middle class gets impressed by all this show. And middle class voters do not depend on such petty agents for small time govt work, and even when they do, the agent doesnt make a big part of their life. They pay the agent, but dont depend on him on whom to vote for. So middle class voters, who are mostly NaMo\BJP voters will get impressed by this "anti-corruption" show and fall for AAP.
I have explained several times how MNC-owners are paying English media such as paid-Hindustan-Times-English to project AK positively , while Hindi media such as paid-Hindustan-Times Hindi projects AK negatively or ignores him as far as possible. This trend will also help.
Finally, muslims are scared of BJP and vote for candidate who can defeat BJP. In seats where Congress has no chance of winning, they may vote for AAP. But in seats where Congress or SP or BSP can win, they will vote for Congress or SP or BSP only. AK knows he is "last choice" for muslim voters. But he supports Bangladeshies, opposed uniform marriage code, supports Talaq-Talaq-Talaq, even supports "one man 4 wives" , opposed banning child marriage in muslims etc NOT for votes. Ifs ONLY because he wants support from Saud funded channels like paid-NDTV, paid-TimesNow, paid-Hindustan-Times etc.
Now some slum dwellers will vote for AAP. But thats because slum too has middle class !! Many slum dwellers got education, got job, and are in process of moving into small 1 BHK flats, but they are still in slums. These well off educated slum dwellers stopped voting for Congress long time back, and are becoming BJP voters. AAP will capture those slum voters, and making a bigger dent in BJP votes.
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2) Then why is AK sending 100s of AAP volunteers into slum areas?
AK is sending AAP volunteers in slum areas because AK wants to create a show in middle class that AK is targeting into Congress voters as well. So slums are full of AAP volunteers campaigning for votes. But slum dwellers very well know that once election ends, these AAP college boys will never ever come again. So slum dwellers will vote as per local social worker who has been there since years and years, doing they petty works, not as per cap wearing college boys.
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In Jan-2014, AK will do what MNC-owners and Missionaries order him to do. If NaMo agrees to MNC-owners terms and conditions to give tickers to p-sec, pro-MNC, pro-Missionary, anti-Swadeshi, anti-Hinduiwadi in BJP, and MNC-owners and Missionaries will downplay AK. Otherwise, they will use AK to cut some 3 crore middle class voters across India, and create a loss of 30-40 seats to NaMo. MNC-owners and Missionaries are doing what they did in Iraq, Libya and across the world since 1500 AD. It is AK who has agreed to work for them for media-coverage and fame/influence in return. And ill effect is that activists efforts to improve laws got dispersed and there is delaying in legislative changes in India.
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Now I would elaborate more.
Since 2000, BJP leaders due to Saudi\Missionary money, stopped Hindutva propaganda in youth media and colleges. So those below 30 years know nothing about Ram Janam Bhoomi Devalaya, Krishna Janam Bhjoomi Devalaya, Kashi Vishvanath Devalaya movement. Heck , they dont even know that in 1947, some 10 lakh Hindus were murdered and some 20 lakh were abducted. And they dont even know that some 30 lakh were murdered in 1971 in Bangladesh and some 20 lakh abducted. They dont have any idea about Bangladeshi infiltration and have no clue about MNC-Missionary cabal. These young voters actually believe in strengthening Pakistan because they actually believe that "strong Pakistan is good for India !!". So all these young voters are more likely to vote for secular party than a party with communal image. In addition, many 30 years plus voters are dhmmi and so less likely to vote for BJP anyway.
But by 2011, Congress image took heavy beating due to corruption, weak show on law-order and weak show on terrorism. Young secular voters as well as middle aged secular voters lost hopes in Congress. And NaMo paid mediamen to create a "secular NaMo, pro-development NaMo, no-nonsense NaMo" image. So a big section of these secular voters was/are likely to vote for NaMo in in may-2014. And as per communal voters, they have NO option but NaMo even if NaMo dumps all Hinduvaadi agenda items.
So Anna, AK, IAC, AAP were created by MNC-owners and Missionaries to ensure that secular youth voters and secular non-youth voters , who are sick of Congress, do not end up voting for "ex-Hinduvadi now-secular" NaMo.
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Now a bigger strategy MNC-owners and Missionary have is to let Delhi State Assembly go , to keep Indian Parliament. IOW, if AAP gets 20% votes in Delhi , then in Loksabha elections, then AAP can cut 5% votes across India. In Delhi, they may cut some slum and some muslim votes. But across India, they have appeal only in Hndu middle class. So in Loksabha they will mainly cut NaMo votes.
Finally, MNC-Missionaries will use AAP\AK in may-2014 to
1. Either cut NaMo-votes
2. OR force NaMo to give tickects to pro-MNC pro-Missionary anti-Swadeshi anti-Hinduvaadi candidates
If NaMo accepted MNC-Missionary terms, and MNC-media will downplay AK, or MNC-owners may even ask AK to openly support NaMo. And if NaMo doesnt acceot MNC-Missionary terms, then MNC-paid-media will project AK with full force and cut 3 crore middle class voters making a dent of 30 seats. In either case, Hinduvaad and Indian interest are both gone in may-2014.
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If AAP was working to damage Congress and help BJP, then why does English Hindustan Times Delhi gives FAR more and far better coverage to AAP than Hindi Hindustan Times Delhi
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Added later : Pls see this sickending google-search ad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHGDN9-oFJE . The last episode of this ad is going show to marriage of the gal and the guy, putting a suggestion that if Indians and Pakistanies marry in large number (and obviously both will settle in India) then India-Pakistan problem will get solved !! Now look at the number of people who liked this ad and wrote positive comments !! Basically these people have no clue about what Pukies did during partition and what can they do even today. Now most of them are below 30 years. All of them are seculars or whatever you say. And they were all going to vote for NaMo because they were fed up of Congress's corruption and NaMo has paid mediamen to project NaMo "ex-communal, now secular". But AK has come in-between as "non-corrupt, clean and more secular". And so due to AAP, these votes will now get captured by AAP and will not go towards NaMo.
HT = paid-Hindustan-Times
Proof that HT-Delhi-English gives more coverage to AK= AAP than paid HT-Delhi-Hindi
https://www.facebook.com/mehtarahulc/po ... 3169401922
1) AAP wont get many poors' votes such as slum votes and mostly get only middle class votes. Why? Because slum voters go as per what LOCAL slum social workers say.
2) And if so, then why is AK sending AAP volunteers to slums? To create an illusion in middle class voters that AAP is targeting Congress voters as well !!
1) Why AAP wont get many poor slum dwellers' votes
All slums have so called LOCAL social-worker who also live in the same slum, and these social workers do petty work for slum dwellers like getting them ration cards, getting them voter cards, getting them some help from govt schemes, sometimes getting them bail etc. This LOCAL social workers do form filling, follow up in govt offices etc etc. They may charge the slum dweller some fees as well. They could also be small time drug-dealers and liquor dealers, but stay away from violent crimes. This LOCAL social worker has contacts with local govt officials, policemen and local judges. The local govt officer, policemen, judges etc will take bribes from this LOCAL social worker, but NOT from slum dweller directly as a govt officer, judges etc are often afraid of taking bribes from strangers as he could be part of a trap. But the local social worker is known and trusted for a long time, and can be assumed as "trap-free". So when application is made for bail or ration card or voter card, the govt officer or policemen or judge will take bribe via this local social worker and speed up the application. The govt officer or judge will NOT take bribe directly for applicant due to fear of trap, and so the application will rot for weeks and months. So for the slum dwellers etc, this LOCAL social worker is a small time hero. And most slum sweller vote as per what social worker say. Now this social worker is often connected with Congress or BJP or SP or BSP and so all votes will go there.
But the middle class gets impressed by all this show. And middle class voters do not depend on such petty agents for small time govt work, and even when they do, the agent doesnt make a big part of their life. They pay the agent, but dont depend on him on whom to vote for. So middle class voters, who are mostly NaMo\BJP voters will get impressed by this "anti-corruption" show and fall for AAP.
I have explained several times how MNC-owners are paying English media such as paid-Hindustan-Times-English to project AK positively , while Hindi media such as paid-Hindustan-Times Hindi projects AK negatively or ignores him as far as possible. This trend will also help.
Finally, muslims are scared of BJP and vote for candidate who can defeat BJP. In seats where Congress has no chance of winning, they may vote for AAP. But in seats where Congress or SP or BSP can win, they will vote for Congress or SP or BSP only. AK knows he is "last choice" for muslim voters. But he supports Bangladeshies, opposed uniform marriage code, supports Talaq-Talaq-Talaq, even supports "one man 4 wives" , opposed banning child marriage in muslims etc NOT for votes. Ifs ONLY because he wants support from Saud funded channels like paid-NDTV, paid-TimesNow, paid-Hindustan-Times etc.
Now some slum dwellers will vote for AAP. But thats because slum too has middle class !! Many slum dwellers got education, got job, and are in process of moving into small 1 BHK flats, but they are still in slums. These well off educated slum dwellers stopped voting for Congress long time back, and are becoming BJP voters. AAP will capture those slum voters, and making a bigger dent in BJP votes.
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2) Then why is AK sending 100s of AAP volunteers into slum areas?
AK is sending AAP volunteers in slum areas because AK wants to create a show in middle class that AK is targeting into Congress voters as well. So slums are full of AAP volunteers campaigning for votes. But slum dwellers very well know that once election ends, these AAP college boys will never ever come again. So slum dwellers will vote as per local social worker who has been there since years and years, doing they petty works, not as per cap wearing college boys.
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In Jan-2014, AK will do what MNC-owners and Missionaries order him to do. If NaMo agrees to MNC-owners terms and conditions to give tickers to p-sec, pro-MNC, pro-Missionary, anti-Swadeshi, anti-Hinduiwadi in BJP, and MNC-owners and Missionaries will downplay AK. Otherwise, they will use AK to cut some 3 crore middle class voters across India, and create a loss of 30-40 seats to NaMo. MNC-owners and Missionaries are doing what they did in Iraq, Libya and across the world since 1500 AD. It is AK who has agreed to work for them for media-coverage and fame/influence in return. And ill effect is that activists efforts to improve laws got dispersed and there is delaying in legislative changes in India.
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Now I would elaborate more.
Since 2000, BJP leaders due to Saudi\Missionary money, stopped Hindutva propaganda in youth media and colleges. So those below 30 years know nothing about Ram Janam Bhoomi Devalaya, Krishna Janam Bhjoomi Devalaya, Kashi Vishvanath Devalaya movement. Heck , they dont even know that in 1947, some 10 lakh Hindus were murdered and some 20 lakh were abducted. And they dont even know that some 30 lakh were murdered in 1971 in Bangladesh and some 20 lakh abducted. They dont have any idea about Bangladeshi infiltration and have no clue about MNC-Missionary cabal. These young voters actually believe in strengthening Pakistan because they actually believe that "strong Pakistan is good for India !!". So all these young voters are more likely to vote for secular party than a party with communal image. In addition, many 30 years plus voters are dhmmi and so less likely to vote for BJP anyway.
But by 2011, Congress image took heavy beating due to corruption, weak show on law-order and weak show on terrorism. Young secular voters as well as middle aged secular voters lost hopes in Congress. And NaMo paid mediamen to create a "secular NaMo, pro-development NaMo, no-nonsense NaMo" image. So a big section of these secular voters was/are likely to vote for NaMo in in may-2014. And as per communal voters, they have NO option but NaMo even if NaMo dumps all Hinduvaadi agenda items.
So Anna, AK, IAC, AAP were created by MNC-owners and Missionaries to ensure that secular youth voters and secular non-youth voters , who are sick of Congress, do not end up voting for "ex-Hinduvadi now-secular" NaMo.
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Now a bigger strategy MNC-owners and Missionary have is to let Delhi State Assembly go , to keep Indian Parliament. IOW, if AAP gets 20% votes in Delhi , then in Loksabha elections, then AAP can cut 5% votes across India. In Delhi, they may cut some slum and some muslim votes. But across India, they have appeal only in Hndu middle class. So in Loksabha they will mainly cut NaMo votes.
Finally, MNC-Missionaries will use AAP\AK in may-2014 to
1. Either cut NaMo-votes
2. OR force NaMo to give tickects to pro-MNC pro-Missionary anti-Swadeshi anti-Hinduvaadi candidates
If NaMo accepted MNC-Missionary terms, and MNC-media will downplay AK, or MNC-owners may even ask AK to openly support NaMo. And if NaMo doesnt acceot MNC-Missionary terms, then MNC-paid-media will project AK with full force and cut 3 crore middle class voters making a dent of 30 seats. In either case, Hinduvaad and Indian interest are both gone in may-2014.
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If AAP was working to damage Congress and help BJP, then why does English Hindustan Times Delhi gives FAR more and far better coverage to AAP than Hindi Hindustan Times Delhi
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Added later : Pls see this sickending google-search ad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHGDN9-oFJE . The last episode of this ad is going show to marriage of the gal and the guy, putting a suggestion that if Indians and Pakistanies marry in large number (and obviously both will settle in India) then India-Pakistan problem will get solved !! Now look at the number of people who liked this ad and wrote positive comments !! Basically these people have no clue about what Pukies did during partition and what can they do even today. Now most of them are below 30 years. All of them are seculars or whatever you say. And they were all going to vote for NaMo because they were fed up of Congress's corruption and NaMo has paid mediamen to project NaMo "ex-communal, now secular". But AK has come in-between as "non-corrupt, clean and more secular". And so due to AAP, these votes will now get captured by AAP and will not go towards NaMo.
HT = paid-Hindustan-Times
Proof that HT-Delhi-English gives more coverage to AK= AAP than paid HT-Delhi-Hindi
https://www.facebook.com/mehtarahulc/po ... 3169401922
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>> In either case, Hinduvaad and Indian interest are both gone in may-2014.
Are these interests being take care in any form or fashion now to be gone in 2014?
So what are you doing to expose AK? What can we do to expose AK?2. OR force NaMo to give tickects to pro-MNC pro-Missionary anti-Swadeshi anti-Hinduvaadi candidates
If NaMo accepted MNC-Missionary terms, and MNC-media will downplay AK, or MNC-owners may even ask AK to openly support NaMo. And if NaMo doesnt acceot MNC-Missionary terms, then MNC-paid-media will project AK with full force and cut 3 crore middle class voters making a dent of 30 seats. In either case, Hinduvaad and Indian interest are both gone in may-2014.
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If AAP was working to damage Congress and help BJP, then why does English Hindustan Times Delhi gives FAR more and far better coverage to AAP than Hindi Hindustan Times Delhi
>> In either case, Hinduvaad and Indian interest are both gone in may-2014.
Are these interests being take care in any form or fashion now to be gone in 2014?
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False argument.fanne wrote:AAP is definitely hurting BJP more than Cong. If AAP was not there what would have been vote% of respective parties, BJP = 37% +47% of 21% (AAP vote) = 47% vote. Congress = 29% +35%of 21%=29%+7=36%. With BJP and Cong in the race (and without AAP), BJP would have had 47% compared to 36% of Cong. It would have been a sweep for BJP. More than what it is now. So from Cong perspective AAP has delivered.
The biggest gainer in Delhi polls is likely to be AAP, which is expected to poll 21 per cent votes.
Even as the Congress looks to be the biggest sufferer, the presence of AAP seems to be more damaging for the BJP as 48 per cent people surveyed by ORG-India Today said they would have voted for the saffron party had Kejriwal's party not been in the fray. The figure stood 35 per cent in the case of Congress and 5 per cent for the BSP.
Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/cong ... 26810.html
Reminds of 2000 US presidential elections. Democrats blaming Ralph Nader for Al Gore's loss. Gore could not win his own home state of Tennessee.
We have a similar situation here. Delhi BJP failed to capitalize on the anti-congress wave. B
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How is this a false argument ? Kindly address the main logic given in Fanne's argument rather than bring in a disjointed example with absolutely no relevance.ashashi wrote:
False argument.
Reminds of 2000 US presidential elections. Democrats blaming Ralph Nader for Al Gore's loss. Gore could not win his own home state of Tennessee.
We have a similar situation here. Delhi BJP failed to capitalize on the anti-congress wave. B
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Shashi ji,
chota admi hu, kripya steb by step samjhayiye.
Thanks,
fanne
chota admi hu, kripya steb by step samjhayiye.
Thanks,
fanne
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LOL.fanne wrote:Shashi ji,
chota admi hu, kripya steb by step samjhayiye.
Thanks,
fanne
Its a false argument because it is based on hypothetical situation.
For example, Congress can claim it could win the 2014 elections if Narendra Modi never existed. That is just as valid as some claiming BJP could sweep Delhi if AAP never existed.
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oh I see, thank you!!
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Janlokpal @janlokpal 2m
Not surprising! MT @chinmaykrvd: Alert:Congress reportedly in back room talks with AAP strategist Yogendra Yadav in 9 seats
So CONGis and AAP are doing back room deal before the election (transfer of votes). Will it work? WOW! Usually they split votes like Chiranjeevi and join CONGis later. Now AAP is doing pre-election deal before only
Not surprising! MT @chinmaykrvd: Alert:Congress reportedly in back room talks with AAP strategist Yogendra Yadav in 9 seats
So CONGis and AAP are doing back room deal before the election (transfer of votes). Will it work? WOW! Usually they split votes like Chiranjeevi and join CONGis later. Now AAP is doing pre-election deal before only
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with 47% to 55% of AAP voters BJP sympathizers, you can imagine how hopeless that strategy is. However, they can move the 35% vote to con, that vote is of marginalized people, people who may be induced with daru and money. I expect some videos etc of AAP making these deals, from disgruntled, 'otherwise' BJP voting public.
rgds,
fanne
rgds,
fanne
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Yeh Delhi maange more: Narendra Modi to address 4 more rallies here
Buoyed by the "success" of their prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi's last two rallies in Delhi, the Bharatiya Janata Party's state unit Thursday said he would be addressing four more rallies in the national capital, days ahead of the December 4 Assembly polls.
"Three rallies will take place November 30 and another December 1," said BJP national secretary Anil Jain.
On November 30, the first rally will begin at 11 am in east Delhi's Shahdara and will cover 16 constituencies, the next rally will take place at 3 pm in west Delhi's Sultanpuri covering 12 constituencies and the last will be held at 5 pm in Chandni Chowk in the walled city, covering 10 constituencies.
Modi will address a single rally on December 1 that is scheduled to take place in Ambedkar Nagar in south Delhi at 4 pm and will cover 9 constituencies.
Earlier, Modi was to address a rally in the New Delhi constituency as well but the plan was shelved due to "lack of cooperation from authorities".
"The chief minister (Sheila Dikshit) is afraid of Modi coming to New Delhi and was not willing to cooperate. The authorities refused to give us a proper venue for the rally so we had to cancel it," said party leader Vijender Gupta.
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Be it Rajasthan or Delhi, one hears about factions and rumblings in the bellies of BJP state level politicians. Only Modi has managed to unite them all. If not for Modi, BJP should have closed its shop long ago.
I have my doubts about the Vasundhara. The Scindia family has people in Congress and BJP, it is like playing for both sides. The royal families ruling via proxies.
I have my doubts about the Vasundhara. The Scindia family has people in Congress and BJP, it is like playing for both sides. The royal families ruling via proxies.
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Sycophancy's new level: AP ex-minister wants Telengana named as "Sonia Telengana". He calls her Telengana Telli (Mother of telengana) and is putting up a bust of SG in hyderabad!!!! ROFLMAO!!!