Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[johneeG]

imo jolly did far less than what a usual 'protest' does in india which is throwing stones, breaking a few barricades, burning/looting a few shops , beating any police they can isolate......applying a coat of black paint on her driveway and nameplate. yawn.

these dilli billis need to be shocked out of their AC comfort zone and invitation-only clubs and single malts and feel the anger at street level at the numerous things that are wrong in this nation for the common man.

This.

It seems to me that this whole Tarun Tejpal episode is making the elites very very uncomfortable. They want it to go off the headlines as soon as possible. I say dig deeper into this episode particularly the activities of Shomeless. Check the call-lists & bank accounts. Interrogate the drivers and servants. Then, many more skeletons will tumble out.

[Arjun]

There needs to be a group of active Indic feminists who pursue matters such as this: Desperate Rajasthan Cong targets Vasundhara with sleaze, innuendo

This Gehlot seems to be a complete slimeball:

“Latka-jhatka dikhati hai… pata nahin London gayi thi ya kahan gayi thi…” are his constant refrains.

[johneeG]

There needs to be a group of active Indic feminists who pursue matters such as this: Desperate Rajasthan Cong targets Vasundhara with sleaze, innuendo

Most of the so-called 'feminists' in desh are merely EJs(in the garb of NGOs) or Commies pretending to work for the women's issues. Their real agenda is to target Hindhuism(& rightwing politicians, figures, ...etc). Kongis provide the sarkaari protection to such groups. I think its another scam waiting to be exposed. This kind of scam is not so much about money(I am sure lot of money...black money would be involved in such things), but the main issue would be influence it can generate.

Here is how it works:
A group of women claiming to be 'feminists' go and target(even beat up with chappals) some sanyasi on fake allegations of molestation. The radiamedia uses this incident to paint all the Hindhu leaders(particularly the religious and political ones) as evil guys.

At the same time, these EJ or commie 'feminists' nor the radiamedia have nothing to say about rampant pedophilia, child abuse/molestation and rape cases by Malsi and X-ist guys.

Look at the disproportionate airtime that is being given to Asaram. Asaram may or may not be guilty. He may be fake. But, is it really such a big issue that all the radiamedia gives it so much airtime for so many days?

There are many more serious issues like inflation & scams worth crores & crores, yet radiamedia was busy with Asaram?

Even in this Tejpal case, it was the SM that forced the radiamedia to take it up. And now, they are crying foul that someone protested by blackening the nameplate??? Really?!!!

One must remember that the Tejpal issue is alive because the govt in Goa is going after Tejpal. If it was the kongi sarkaar, then the issue would have been swept under the carpet. And radiamedia would continue with Asaram & so-called snoopgate. Even Tejpal and Shomeless would have participated and given lectures about how the women are victimized by the Hindhuthva.

[archan]

On topic folks. This isn’t the place to discuss the general politics, elections, social issues, etc. This thread was supposed to be about the contrast.
There is a state elections thread and if required, one can be created for Tehelka or general women's issues in India. Heck one focused on the general elections maybe. Might as well go the whole hog.

[Arjun]

Most of the so-called 'feminists' in desh are merely EJs(in the garb of NGOs) or Commies pretending to work for the women's issues. Their real agenda is to target Hindhuism(& rightwing politicians, figures, ...etc).

I agree. And that is because their backing comes from EJ / Islamist pasand parties such as the Left and Congress.

What has stopped the BJP from incubating similar independent feminist organizations that lean towards Indic feminism ?

When we talk of 'ideas of India' there is also equally a contrast among Indic and non-Indic feminists on these ideas. Madhu Kishwar for example is an exemplar of the first category. But we need many more 'activist' independent organizations that promote an Indic feminist idea of India.

[kapilrdave]

Archan, While I agree that lot of posts go OT on this thread, how can you discuss about dynastic politics without discussing foreign funded NGOs and paid media?

[Lilo]

On topic folks. This isn’t the place to discuss the general politics, elections, social issues, etc. This thread was supposed to be about the contrast.
There is a state elections thread and if required, one can be created for Tehelka or general women's issues in India. Heck one focused on the general elections maybe. Might as well go the whole hog.

One thread for elections in open forum?

[johneeG]

Archan saar,
last post, plz allow. Anyway, it is on-topic because its about the ideas.

Most of the so-called 'feminists' in desh are merely EJs(in the garb of NGOs) or Commies pretending to work for the women's issues. Their real agenda is to target Hindhuism(& rightwing politicians, figures, ...etc).

I agree. And that is because their backing comes from EJ / Islamist pasand parties such as the Left and Congress.

What has stopped the BJP from incubating similar independent feminist organizations that lean towards Indic feminism ?

When we talk of 'ideas of India' there is also equally a contrast among Indic and non-Indic feminists on these ideas. Madhu Kishwar for example is an exemplar of the first category. But we need many more 'activist' independent organizations that promote an Indic feminist idea of India.

Agreed. There will be qualitative difference between an Indic feminist and anti-Hindhu pretender. Yep, there is definitely a need to encourage the indic ones and probe the dirty financial dealings of the anti-Hindhu pretenders. Many a times these guys get their funds from the foreign locations and are used for anti-national activities. Routinely, they are used to undermine Hindhuism and break down the social fabric(including the sanctity of marriage and other relationships). One long term project seems to be to break all the Human relations between people and make them into islands of sort. Then, those people will be easy to manage. It seems to me thats the reason to make divorces easy to encourage people to get divorce instead of trying to remain married.

Women seem to be particularly targeted. Controlling women also translates to control on next gen. NGOs, EJs, Jihadhis, Commies and even the corporates seem to see women as a juicy target.

Fvking Awesome video. Gurumurthy lays it out targets the Indian Constitution, the makers of it, the European State - its history, Individualism, Modernism, family, society, philosophy, legal anthropology, law ...ityadi.

MUST WATCH. MUST WATCH. MUST WATCH.



And he paints the exact picture that I had created sometime ago and linked in BRF. I have to pat myself on the back , for drawing the below picture some time back. My observations seems to align with the thoughts of intellectuals like S.Gurumurthy. The thick lines indicate stronger relations, and the thin lines indicate weakening relations.

Link to post

[archan]

On topic folks. This isn’t the place to discuss the general politics, elections, social issues, etc. This thread was supposed to be about the contrast.
There is a state elections thread and if required, one can be created for Tehelka or general women's issues in India. Heck one focused on the general elections maybe. Might as well go the whole hog.

One thread for elections in open forum?

Not in the open forum. Neither of the Mil, strat or econ forums have it in their scope.

[Arjun]

Not in the open forum. Neither of the Mil, strat or econ forums have it in their scope.

2009 elections saw a thread in the open Strat forum if I am not wrong...

[archan]

There is a thread on women's issues and ongoing harassment cases now. Discussion on Tehelka case and Asaram case can be had there.

[prahaar]

-- deleted post.

[archan]

Darling is not restricted to be used for one's love interest. One could call their son or daughter that. Please take it to the proper thread. What does TT have to do with this thread?

[Hari Seldon]

^^Agreed. Turdpal issue can be grilled and roasted elsewhere.

This dhaga is about ideas and signs and ideologies and competition...

I still lurk searching for signs of a NM wave or RG tide ... among inadvertent statements by the elitemen, obscure and oft-vernacular press articles, opinion polls and the like... only.

Here's a zimble and humble egzamble... NM's Bhilwara rally... was o full, the maidan overflowed onto rooftops..

[Hari Seldon]

And this from his Sumerpur rally in the morning (again, Rajasthan)...

[Hari Seldon]

Meanwhile, Cong continues to believe that everything that belongs to the state in India also belongs to the Govt and hence to the Congress...



And here, in preparation for NM's Jammu visit, the KPs are organizing a vehement protest against the delay in his becoming PM...

[prahaar]

Darling is not restricted to be used for one's love interest. One could call their son or daughter that. Please take it to the proper thread. What does TT have to do with this thread?

Probably I come from a much more conservative background, where I do not refer to another lady who is not my actual daughter or son as darling in public. Anway, I get the point about my post being unrelated. Will delete the post about TT.

[member_20317]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asok_Kumar ... troversies

enjoy!

My contribution:
"Wow that is fast - wonder why? - the report is published at November 29, 2013 15:56 IST and I am changing this at 16:42"

[kapilrdave]

ravi_g ji nice to see you posting again.

[archan]

^ I might be missing the link, but why was it posted here?

[anmol]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asok_Kumar ... troversies

enjoy!

My contribution:
"Wow that is fast - wonder why? - the report is published at November 29, 2013 15:56 IST and I am changing this at 16:42"

Does this mean that you knew it was AK Ganguly(before report was published) ?

[anmol]

^ I might be missing the link, but why was it posted here?

My guess: this is a move by Dynasty to send message to other judges.

[member_20317]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asok_Kumar ... troversies

enjoy!

My contribution:
"Wow that is fast - wonder why? - the report is published at November 29, 2013 15:56 IST and I am changing this at 16:42"

Does this mean that you knew it was AK Ganguly(before report was published) ?

Nope. Not that cued into the whole thing.

The accusations are confirmed (not the same thing as proven) by http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/l ... 404918.ece:

According to highly placed sources, following the naming of the judge, the probe committee comprising Justices R.M. Lodha, H.L. Dattu and Ranjana Desai had recorded the statement of Justice Ganguly

The reason I posted it here is because one of the members of the committee seems to have blessed us with NOTA, another does not seem to have any record and still another has something like a study leave mentioned on his resume. And though I do agree that if Ganguly has tripped he deserves whatever comes his way but the one who is accused has a long list of real judgements:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asok_Kumar_Ganguly

2G spectrum scam – On 2 February 2012 the bench of Justice AK Ganguly & Justice GS Singhvi quashed 122 2G licenses issued in the year 2008 by A. Raja, then "Union Telecom Minister".[1]

The Emergency (India) – In a judgement, Justice AK Ganguly observed that in 1975 during the emergency period of India, Supreme Court of India had violated the fundamental rights of the Indian citizens. In the ADM Jabalpur vs Shivakant Shukla case (1976). A bench of Justices Aftab Alam and Ganguly took the view that the majority decision of a five-member Constitution Bench upholding the suspension of fundamental rights during "Emergency" was erroneous.[2]

President's power of pardon – The President of India can grant a pardon to or reduce the sentence of a convicted person for one time, particularly in cases involving punishment of death but in a judgement delivered by Justice Ganguly said that the president or the governor exercising the power of pardon in granting remission of sentence to a convict could not encroach into the judicial domain and give a finding on the guilt of the convict. If such a power was exercised arbitrarily, mala fide or in absolute disregard of the finer canons of the constitutionalism, the by-product order could not get the approval of law and in such cases, the judicial hand must be stretched to it.[2]

Imposed Rs. 1 million fine on Maharashtra state govt. – In a judgement delivered on 14 December 2010 by Justice Ganguly, as a Supreme Court Judge, he imposed Rs. 1 million fine on Maharashtra state govt. on a complaint that the then chief minister Vilasrao Deshmukh influenced police against registering an FIR against MLA Dilip Kumar Sananda. The court said that "The (former) chief minister should not have interfered with the criminal justice system." Observing that the message conveyed in this case is "extremely shocking", the court directed that the fine amount collected should be used for the welfare of the distressed farmers.[4] It was alleged that then Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh's personal secretary Amba Das had called up the then district superintendent of police (SP) to inform that the chief minister did not want any FIR to be registered in the case. Accordingly, the SP asked his subordinates not to register any FIR but reportedly recorded the same in its file. Aggrieved by the refusal of the police to register an FIR, the victims approached the Bombay High Court which, apart from ordering registration of an FIR, also imposed a fine of Rs 25,000 on the state. But the state govt challenged Bombay High Court's verdict in Supreme Court of India.[5]

In a judgement on 6 July 2011, the bench of Justice Ganguly along with Justice GS Singhvi ordered that entire 156 hectares of land be given back to the robbed farmers. The government had acquired the land for "development" but was handed over to builders for making commercial and residential complexes. The bench imposed a fine of INR1 million (US$15,000) Greater Noida Industrial Development Authority (GNIDA) for its illegal act.[6][7]

Some coincidence.

[RajeshA]

Awaiting 5 years of disclosures of all the crime, dirt & morally depraved private lives of Dilli-Billi and Upmarket-Criminals. Expecting Secular-Mughlai-Queen'sEnglish-Leftist moral high horse to become extinct and its bones to become even more elusive than the Aryan horse!

Quite sure that Narendra Hercules Modi is keen to wash the Augean Stables by doing some repair works on the Yamuna.

[RajeshA]

NaMo In Jodhpur

[vivek.rao]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asok_Kumar ... troversies

The reason I posted it here is because one of the members of the committee seems to have blessed us with NOTA, another does not seem to have any record and still another has something like a study leave mentioned on his resume. And though I do agree that if Ganguly has tripped he deserves whatever comes his way but the one who is accused has a long list of real judgements:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asok_Kumar_Ganguly


2G spectrum scam – On 2 February 2012 the bench of Justice AK Ganguly & Justice GS Singhvi quashed 122 2G licenses issued in the year 2008 by A. Raja, then "Union Telecom Minister".[1]

The Emergency (India) – In a judgement, Justice AK Ganguly observed that in 1975 during the emergency period of India, Supreme Court of India had violated the fundamental rights of the Indian citizens. In the ADM Jabalpur vs Shivakant Shukla case (1976). A bench of Justices Aftab Alam and Ganguly took the view that the majority decision of a five-member Constitution Bench upholding the suspension of fundamental rights during "Emergency" was erroneous.[2]

President's power of pardon – The President of India can grant a pardon to or reduce the sentence of a convicted person for one time, particularly in cases involving punishment of death but in a judgement delivered by Justice Ganguly said that the president or the governor exercising the power of pardon in granting remission of sentence to a convict could not encroach into the judicial domain and give a finding on the guilt of the convict. If such a power was exercised arbitrarily, mala fide or in absolute disregard of the finer canons of the constitutionalism, the by-product order could not get the approval of law and in such cases, the judicial hand must be stretched to it.[2]

Imposed Rs. 1 million fine on Maharashtra state govt. – In a judgement delivered on 14 December 2010 by Justice Ganguly, as a Supreme Court Judge, he imposed Rs. 1 million fine on Maharashtra state govt. on a complaint that the then chief minister Vilasrao Deshmukh influenced police against registering an FIR against MLA Dilip Kumar Sananda. The court said that "The (former) chief minister should not have interfered with the criminal justice system." Observing that the message conveyed in this case is "extremely shocking", the court directed that the fine amount collected should be used for the welfare of the distressed farmers.[4] It was alleged that then Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh's personal secretary Amba Das had called up the then district superintendent of police (SP) to inform that the chief minister did not want any FIR to be registered in the case. Accordingly, the SP asked his subordinates not to register any FIR but reportedly recorded the same in its file. Aggrieved by the refusal of the police to register an FIR, the victims approached the Bombay High Court which, apart from ordering registration of an FIR, also imposed a fine of Rs 25,000 on the state. But the state govt challenged Bombay High Court's verdict in Supreme Court of India.[5]

In a judgement on 6 July 2011, the bench of Justice Ganguly along with Justice GS Singhvi ordered that entire 156 hectares of land be given back to the robbed farmers. The government had acquired the land for "development" but was handed over to builders for making commercial and residential complexes. The bench imposed a fine of INR1 million (US$15,000) Greater Noida Industrial Development Authority (GNIDA) for its illegal act.[6][7]

Some coincidence.

WOW! WOW! I don't know how we can catch ITALIANMAFIA. We need a nationalistic force tracking these dangerous plots of Tehelkas/CON party/Cobraposts, expose the scumbags. We have to finish this DIEnasty and throw them in jail. It is not just DIEnasty but NAC,PAIDMEDIA and several left wing scam masters. There is whole lot of industry behind these actions. We have to rein in this PAIDMEDIA.

[Muppalla]

Rajasthan is drenched in NaMo wave. No doubt about it and even SG/RG has given up as lost cause in Rajasthan.

[RoyG]

Rajasthan is in the kitty. Modi should focus on Kerala and West Bengal. These states are emerging as jihadi launch pads.

[jagga]

Vasundhara will take back land from Vadra: Modi

Who has taken your lacs of acres of land? Vasundhara Raje is going to form the government in Rajasthan and she will bring back every inch of land,” hinting towards Vadra’s alleged land purchase in Rajasthan.

Taking a dig at the Gandhi family he said, “How will the police catch the thief if the thief himself is a family member?”

[RajeshA]

I am eagerly awaiting the change in policy under NaMo towards NGOs, Media Houses and History & Sociology Depts of various universities and colleges.

If we are lucky we may see a change in policy towards foreign funding of religious institutions as well.

[RajeshA]

NaMo in Bhilwara, Rajasthan

[RoyG]

This is the time when Modi is most vulnerable. Congress won't give up on giving jihadis another shot at taking him out. Everything is at stake.

[fanne]

Huh namo is only attracting few thousand crowd, where as rg is attracting 7, 000000 crowd

[SwamyG]

I am perfectly ok with what Vijay Jolly did.....

Initially I thought the same too, what is the big thing? He just blackened a sign board. However, the legal system might look at it differently. Many countries view defacing a private property as vandalism too. I do not know the Indian law on this regard, but assume it must be very similar. Vandalism as a protest is frowned upon.

[Pratyush]

Nothing is in the kitty. Till the bots are polled and the results are in favour of BJP. Till then no let up.

[Hari Seldon]

haayallaah...what's happening aajkal... every 2 bit crook taking soniaji's name in effect dragging it through the mud... the omerta's broken? Well, the fear is gone... And unlike poverty, power is all in the mind only... and people from all over seem to be coming to the realization that the fake gandhis are only as powerful as people let them be...

>>@IBNLiveRealtime I was victimised by regulators for opposing Sonia's PM candidature: Subrata Roy

[Singha]

^^ if subrata roy is from sahara, the GOI has been hounding him and he is presently banned from leaving the country. no wonder he would be unhappy.

[RoyG]

haayallaah...what's happening aajkal... every 2 bit crook taking soniaji's name in effect dragging it through the mud... the omerta's broken? Well, the fear is gone... And unlike poverty, power is all in the mind only... and people from all over seem to be coming to the realization that the fake gandhis are only as powerful as people let them be...

>>@IBNLiveRealtime I was victimised by regulators for opposing Sonia's PM candidature: Subrata Roy

Wow, attack dogs turning on the owner. Every passing day I believe more and more that her goose is cooked.

[RoyG]

Frontline cover calls Sardar Patel "rabidly communal in outlook" and JLN as a"symbol of secular nationalism". SICK.

https://twitter.com/ArjunNair92/status/ ... to/1/large

[vivek.rao]

I think the first year of Modi if becomes PM will be the toughest. IM, PAIDMEDIA, Tehelkas/CobraPost/NDTV/IBN, LeT, ISI, COMMIES, Gandhis, Sickular Parties and even corrupt judges will all unite with a concerted plan before Modi puts in semblance of administration.

Bomb blasts,accusations by minorities,fake stings, international pressure using missionaries/left wing traitor organizations in the west will try to limit any of his actions against any group. Kashmir will become a war zone. Taliban attacoks/ISI propaganda and even COMMIEs contact China to occupy Arunachal Pradesh to put pressure on Modi.

I hope he has a task team ready to plan on contingencies to catch these groups at various levels.

The attack on him using Ishrat/Snoopgate is not to just derail his campaign but also limit his ability to act in case he captures power.