International Naval News & Discussion

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 Sep 2013 17:27

virtual tour of a Littoral Combat Ship

You will need some time on hand to take this tour. Use the arrows that appear to navigate to various parts of teh ship.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 29 Sep 2013 10:38

The Future of Deterrence? Ballistic-Missile Defense

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 30 Sep 2013 21:16

Notable Russian naval use of Turkey's Bosphorus Strait

By Paul Iddon
Sep 29, 2013

Russian warships have crossed Turkey's Bosphorus Strait 62 times since the start of the year as part of that country's efforts to maintain a military presence in the eastern Mediterranean Sea.
In a short report published in Hurriyet Daily News we're informed that the Russian Navy's landing ship Kaliningrad has used the Turkish strait 11 times during recent tensions in the Eastern Mediterranean.
Furthermore, the landing ship Azov crossed a total of eight times and the missile-cruiser Moskva crossed the strait six times.
Russia is an important ally of the Assad regime in Damascus, which the Turkish government has been against since the beginning of the revolt against Assad began in March 2011, and has kept a military presence in the eastern Mediterranean throughout the course of the ongoing crisis in Syria. Although it has pulled its forces out of its Tartus naval port in Syria the landing ship Nikolai Filchenkov recently visited the Syrian port city of Latakia.
As Turkish Weekly reports, that assault landing ship was met by two Syrian missile boats upon entering Syria's territorial waters in order to greet the Russian ship. The friendly visit in Latakia saw a friendly football match take place in the local stadium between Russian and Syrian sailors.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/3 ... z2gORO785Z

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 02 Oct 2013 02:35

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subc ... 3&cid=1101

PLA Navy prepares countermeasures against US, Japanese submarines

Staff Reporter
2013-10-01
A Gaoxin-6 anti-submarine aircraft, modified from the Y-8 transport plane. (Internet photo)

Facing the challenge of US and Japanese submarines operating within disputed territorial waters, the People's Liberation Army is preparing for a three-dimensional anti-submarine system consisted of aircraft, surface combat vessels and submarines, according to the Hong Kong-based Wen Wei Po.

Meanwhile, the Tokyo-based Yomiuri Shimbun reported that the Japan Maritime Self Defense Force plans to increase the number of its submarines from 16 to 22 by 2021. Using Soryu-class diesel-electric submarines as an example, the paper stated that the size of the new Japanese submarines will become larger. As the first class of Japanese submarines to be equipped with air-independent propulsion system, the Soryu-class diesel-electric submarine can operate under water for nearly two weeks.

The Soryu-class is also much more powerful than its predecessors, the Harushio and Narushio-class submarines, as it is equipped with Type 89 torpedoes and UGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missiles. Even though Japan is not permitted under its constitution to have its own nuclear-powered submarine, conventional submarines like the Soryu-class are already a dangerous threat to China's maritime communication lines, the paper said, adding that Japanese submarines have a longer patrol range and more powerful weapons systems.

In addition, the United States is deploying more submarines to the Asia-Pacific region. At the US military base in Yokosuka, there are between five and six submarines under the command of the Seventh Fleet. Next year, the US will deploy four more nuclear-powered submarines to Guam, while strategic targets in China are in range of the 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles equipped by a single Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine.

To counter Chinese submarines in a potential conflict, Japan recently purchased 70 P-1 jet planes from Kawasaki Heavy Industries to replace its US-built P-3C jet. The delivery of the first two P-1 aircraft to the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force took place on Mar. 26. In addition to fixed-wing aircraft, the country's new helicopter carrier, the Izumo, is able to carry 14 SH-60K anti-submarine helicopters into battle.

Ships of the World, a Japanese military magazine, indicated that the Self-Defense Force currently has 44 destroyers and nine frigates to form the nation's surface combat fleet against the PLA Navy. While some of those destroyers are used in air defense operations, more of them are designated to combat Chinese submarines. Facing this new challenge, the PLA Navy must adopt new tactics to defend its submarines against a potential joint anti-submarine operation launched by the US and Japan.

Cheng Chi-wen, chief editor of the Taipei-based Asia-Pacific Defense, said that what the PLA Navy needs most is fixed-wing aircraft for anti-submarine operations. Currently, China can only rely on its Y-8 transport aircraft for such a mission as it is capable of carrying torpedoes, depth charges and mines.

Shi Hong, a Chinese military analyst, said China needs more fixed-wing aircraft because the patrol range for helicopters is too short. He added that several Y-8 transport aircraft have been modified into Gaoxin-6 anti-submarine aircraft. With more advanced systems and greater range, the PLA Navy Air Force can conduct anti-submarine operations as far as the Second Island Chain — a series of island groups that runs north to south from the Japanese archipelago to the Bonin and Marshall islands.

In addition to maritime patrol aircraft, anti-submarine helicopters, surface combat vessels and submarines, an Underwater Sound Surveillance System will be a crucial weapon for the PLA Navy to monitor the movements of American and Japanese submarines, Shi said. However, China does not yet have such a sophisticated surveillance system, he added.

References:

Cheng Chi-wen　　鄭繼文

Shi Hong　　

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 06 Oct 2013 07:22

The RN's N-sub near disasters.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 61361.html
Nuclear scare at Navy submarine base after 'unbelievable' failures

Double defects left vessels without vital sources of coolant for their reactors, despite earlier warnings and incidents
Sam Masters
Sunday 06 October 2013

A major nuclear incident was narrowly averted at the heart of Britain's Royal Navy submarine fleet, The Independent on Sunday can reveal. The failure of both the primary and secondary power sources of coolant for nuclear reactors at the Devonport dockyard in Plymouth on 29 July last year followed warnings in previous years of just such a situation.

Experts yesterday compared the crisis at the naval base, operated by the Ministry of Defence and government engineering contractors Babcock Marine, with the Fukushima Daiichi power-station meltdown in Japan in 2011.

It came just four months after the Defence Secretary, Philip Hammond, announced that the base would "remain vital in the future".

The failure of the electric-power source for coolant to nuclear reactors and then the diesel back-up generators was revealed in a heavily redacted report from the Ministry of Defence's Site Event Report Committee (Serc).

Once a submarine arrives at the Devon base's specially designed Tidal X-Berths, it must be connected to coolant supplies to prevent its nuclear reactor overheating.

But last July a series of what were described as "unidentified defects" triggered the failures which meant that for more than 90 minutes, submarines were left without their main sources of coolant.

The IoS has learnt that there had been two previous electrical failures at Devonport, both formally investigated.

They were the loss of primary and alternative shore supply to the nuclear hunter/killer attack sub HMS Talent in 2009 and the loss of "AC shore supply" to the now decommissioned nuclear sub HMS Trafalgar in 2011, the Serc report said.

John Large, an independent nuclear adviser who led the team that conducted radiation analysis on the Russian Kursk submarine which sank in the Barents Sea in 2000, said: "It is unbelievable that this happened. It could have been very serious. Things like this shouldn't happen. It is a fundamental that these fail-safe requirements work. It had all the seriousness of a major meltdown – a major radioactive release."

Mr Large warned that if a submarine had recently entered the base when the failure occurred the situation could have been "dire" because of high heat levels in its reactor.

Babcock launched an internal investigation after the incident; this blamed the complete loss of power on a defect in the central nuclear switchboard. It said the defect had resulted in an "event with potential nuclear implications".

Among a number of "areas of concern" uncovered by the Babcock investigation was what was described as an "inability to learn from previous incidents and to implement the recommendations from previous event reports".

A subsequent review from the Base Nuclear Safety Organisation revealed the "unsuccessful connection of diesel generators" and questioned the "effectiveness of the maintenance methodology and its management", while advising Babcock to "address the shortfalls in their current maintenance regime".

Operated under extremely tight security and secrecy, the Devonport nuclear repair and refuelling facility was built to maintain the new Vanguard ballistic missile submarines and is also home to the Trafalgar- and Astute-class attack submarines – both powered by nuclear reactors.

Babcock, which is Britain's leading naval-support business and works with the MoD on a number of projects, admits that working with nuclear fuels will always carry a "small risk of a radiation emergency".

Its own "stress test" on Devonport safety, launched after the Fukushima disaster, said that in the event of the failure of both power supplies, heat levels in reactors could be controlled by emergency portable water pumps, and added that such a failure had occurred a "number of times" previously.

Caroline Lucas, the Green MP, said: "It's deeply worrying that a technical fault resulted in an event with potential nuclear implications. As long as we continue our obsession with nuclear – both in our defence system and in energy generation – there are going to be safety issues like this."

Ten days ago, the Office for Nuclear Regulation watchdog published details of an improvement notice it had served on Devonport on 16 July for three alleged breaches of health and safety legislation, and of Section 24 of the Nuclear Installations Act – regarding "operating instructions".

Kate Hudson, general secretary of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, said: "Accidents such as the one highlighted in this report again show that a city-centre location is no place for nuclear submarines"

Babcock was unavailable for comment last night. But the conclusion of the MoD report said that while recognising organisations and individuals were "increasingly expected to deliver to tighter deadlines with limited resources", failures would be reported and learned from, to deliver a "safe product".

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 11 Oct 2013 19:11

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/blogs/ ... July242013

Unmanned aircraft carrier that travels beneath the waves may be in the Navy's future
By John Keller
Posted by John Keller

THE MIL & AERO BLOG, 23 July 2013. Imagine a big unmanned submarine designed to operate covertly for long periods, lurking silently off an enemy's shore. At a command from military leaders, this submersible mothership ejects pods that float to the surface and launch surveillance unmanned aircraft in all directions. At the same time, small unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs) deploy from docks hidden in the big submarine's belly on secret reconnaissance missions of the enemy's submarine forces, shipping activity, and overall maritime readiness.

This is the vision of the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and its upcoming Hydra program to design an unmanned submarine mothership able to deploy unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), UUVs, and perhaps even unmanned surface vessels (USVs) for secret intelligence missions off sensitive coasts.

The unmanned aircraft might be relatively small and inexpensive models designed for one-way missions, as the submarine mothership might not be able to recover them. Not so, however, with the vessel's flotilla of UUVs.

The DARPA Hydra vehicle will have docking facilities to recover its UUVs and recharge them for their next missions. These small UUVs will glide out from the mothership's docking stations to take high-resolution images and video of an enemy's port facilities. Once finished, these UUVs will return to the mothership where they will dock, recharge their batteries, and download their intelligence information for the mothership for transmitting covertly back to U.S. and allied command authorities.

Related stories

-- DARPA considers unmanned submersible mothership designed to deploy UAVs and UUVs

-- Long-endurance unmanned submarine development heats up with propulsion contract to General Atomics

-- Navy asks industry to develop large unmanned submarine able to operate independently for more than two months.
It's not clear yet exactly what the DARPA Hydra vehicle would look like, or how its unmanned vehicle payloads would appear. Devising a design for the mothership and its unmanned vehicles is part of the initial phases of the Hydra program, which is likely to get underway next month.

The program will begin defining the roles of the Hydra mothership, define key enabling technologies, and finally demonstrate a prototype. The program's contractors will concentrate on technical areas like a ballast system, propulsion for extended undersea operations, covert communications for instructions and data, command and control for remote and autonomous operation, and unmanned vehicle payloads.

DARPA will brief industry on the program on 5 Aug. in Laurel, Md. Most briefings will be open, but special presentations classified secret will be available for qualified attendees with the proper security clearances.

Looks like an unmanned aircraft carrier that travels under the water may be in the U.S. Navy's future.

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 12 Oct 2013 17:36

How come US navy has detailed weather info on Bay of Bengal? do they have any assets there?

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 12 Oct 2013 18:38

Satellites

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 12 Oct 2013 21:55

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Oct 2013 20:28

The RN's famous "Perisher" course for submariners.In fact,one posted a similar report a decade
ago if memory serves me right.That report said that those who failed were given a bottle of Scotch before departing,not just a measly glass. Pr'aps budget cuts have hit the Perisher course too!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/exclu ... al-2364670

Exclusive glimpse behind the scenes of the Royal Navy's gruelling submarine command course known as Perisher
12 Oct 2013

THE RECORD is the first paper to go behind the scenes as officers are put through their paces to test their talent and nerve in the exhausting and body-aching submarine command course nicknamed Perisher.

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 15 Oct 2013 08:54

krishnan wrote:NOAA

I believe they had "some vehicle" tracking INS Arihant and that's the reason they had good info on the storm to warn of their assets

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 17 Oct 2013 20:31

DDG 1000 Zumwalt destroyer being readied for launch
Check out the pictures.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 17 Oct 2013 20:56

abhik wrote:DDG 1000 Zumwalt destroyer being readied for launch
Check out the pictures.

WoW , Zumwalt looks Awesome ...Startreck age looking ship

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 17 Oct 2013 21:53

there is a comment in that page, dunno what he is talking about

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 21 Oct 2013 09:26

reporter visited a top-secret shipyard in the town of Severodvinsk and saw how Russia’s underwater missile shield is being built.

How to build the perfect submarine

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 Oct 2013 04:41

http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2013/ ... ian-ocean/

Pirates Attack Super Tanker in Indian Ocean

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/o ... on-capture

Iran gives Russia copy of US ScanEagle drone as proof of mass production (*can be launched from decks of ships)
US spy drone given to prove Iran's forces have mass produced the drone they claim to have captured a year ago

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/20/se ... ry-scheme/

Senior US Navy officer, NCIS agent arrested in bribery scheme

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 30 Oct 2013 02:16

More on the Zumwalt DDG .This is truly a revolutionary warship that is as significant as the landing on the deck of a US carrier of the X-47B UCAV. The Zumwalt is truly "awesome",for once a correct usage of the word,in that it features revolutionary electric-drive,ER main gun munitions upto 100km,and a stealth profile ,which looks like a throwback to the US civil War,that reminds one of the famous battle of "Hampton Roads" between the ironclads on Union and Confederate sides,where the Virginia,was converted out of the hulk of the Merrimack,which resembles the Zumwalt's superstructure.This is the most significant surface warship ever built since the Soviet Kirov class battle cruisers.

Navy's giant, stealthy new destroyer gets hull wet
Updated: October 28, 2013 at 7:32 pm • Published: October 28, 2013 •

BATH, Maine (AP) — The largest destroyer ever built for the Navy is in the water for the first time — and the stealthy vessel looks unlike any U.S. warship before.

Without fanfare, Maine's Bath Iron Works on Monday floated the 610-foot Zumwalt out of dry dock in the Kennebec River. It will remain dockside while shipbuilders will continue working on it through the winter.

A christening ceremony was canceled earlier this month because of the partial federal government shutdown. The Navy shipbuilder hopes to hold a rescheduled ceremony in the spring.

The warship features an unusual wave-piercing hull and electric propulsion. Its low-slung shape minimizes its radar signature, making it stealthy. There are so many computers and so much automation that it'll need fewer sailors too.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

There was no band. No streamers. No champagne.

The Navy's stealthy Zumwalt destroyer went into the water without fanfare on Monday, with shipbuilders moving the warship into the Kennebec River before it moves dockside for final construction.

The largest destroyer ever built for the Navy, the Zumwalt looks like no other U.S. warship, with an angular profile and clean carbon fiber superstructure that hides antennas and radar masts.

"The Zumwalt is really in a league of its own," said defense consultant Eric Wertheim, author of the "The Naval Institute Guide to Combat Fleets of the World."

Originally envisioned as a "stealth destroyer," the Zumwalt has a low-slung appearance and angles that deflect radar. Its wave-piercing hull aims for a smoother ride.

The 610-foot ship is a behemoth that's longer and bigger than the current class of destroyers. It was originally designed for shore bombardment and features a 155mm "Advanced Gun System" that fires rocket-propelled warheads that have a range of nearly 100 miles.

Thanks to computers and automation, it will have only about half the complement of sailors as the current generation of destroyers.

Critics, however, felt the Navy was trying to incorporate too much new technology — a new hull, computer automation, electric propulsion, new radar and new gun — into one package. At one point, the program was nearly scrapped because of growing cost. Eventually, the program was truncated to three ships, the Zumwalt being the first.

Dozens of local residents gathered to watch the hours-long process of floating the ship in a dry dock. In the water for the first time, the ship was a sight to behold.

"It's absolutely massive. It's higher than the tree line on the other side. It's an absolutely huge ship — very imposing. It's massively dominating the waterfront," said Amy Lent, executive director of the Maine Maritime Museum, who watched the process from her office down river from the shipyard.

The big ship was supposed to be christened with a bottle of Champagne crashed against its bow by the two daughters of the late Adm. Elmo "Bud" Zumwalt, but the ceremony earlier this month was canceled because of the partial federal government shutdown.

Workers at Bath Iron Works, part of General Dynamics, will continue working on the ship throughout the winter. The shipyard hopes to hold a rescheduled christening in the spring, with sea trials following in the fall. Bath Iron Works plans to deliver the ship to the Navy in 2015.

Photo - The first-in-class Zumwalt, the largest U.S. Navy destroyer ever built, is seen in dry dock Monday, Oct. 28, 2013, in Bath, Maine. The ship features an unusual wave-piercing hull, electric drive propulsion, advanced sonar and guided missiles, and a new gun that fires rocket-propelled warheads as far as 100 miles. Unlike warships with towering radar- and antenna-laden superstructures, the Zumwalt will ride low to the water to minimize its radar signature, making it stealthier than others. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)
The first-in-class Zumwalt, the largest U.S. Navy destroyer ever built, is seen in dry dock Monday, Oct. 28, 2013, in Bath, Maine. The ship features an unusual wave-piercing hull, electric drive propulsion, advanced sonar and guided missiles, and a new gun that fires rocket-propelled warheads as far as 100 miles. Unlike warships with towering radar- and antenna-laden superstructures, the Zumwalt will ride low to the water to minimize its radar signature, making it stealthier than others. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)
Read more at http://gazette.com/navys-giant-stealthy ... GYJdioB.99

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 30 Oct 2013 02:24

The PLAN too is busy with its own developments,the first outing of the Liaoning (ex-Varyag) CV.

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subc ... 3&cid=1101

Liaoning may be mobilized for Mobile 5 naval execise: experts
Staff Reporter 2013-10-28

China's aircraft carrier may receive orders to take part in the Mobile 5 naval exercise taking place in West Pacific waters. The exercise simulates engagement with a US carrier battle group, said military analyst Du Wenlong in an interview with the Communist Party-run People's Daily.

The Liaoning is currently training in Pacific waters with its J-15 carrier-based fighters. The ship's ability to command a fleetmakes it likely that it will join other surface combat vessels in the Mobile 5 exercise, said Du.

The Liaoning has rarely yet been mobilized for combat exercises, said Cao Weidong, another military expert. Not all naval personnel aboard the carrier are trained for large-scale naval warfare and would not be asked to take part. If requested, it will give the remaining crew a chance to learn how to coordinate with other ships on the battlefield, according to Du.

Specifically, the PLA Navy would train in preventing the enemy from intercepting, tracking or jamming its communications in battle, said Du.

China shows nuclear subs to send message to US: scholars

CNA and Staff Reporter
2013-10-29

A display of China's first nuclear submarine fleet in state-run media was a show of force targeted mainly at the United States, experts in Taiwan said Monday.

China's message to the US is that it has second-strike capability, said Lin Chong-pin, a former deputy minister of national defense. Second-strike capability refers to a country's ability to respond to a nuclear attack with a nuclear retaliation powerful enough to deter a first strike.

Lin said China will not overplay its hand, in order to avoid strengthening the US anti-China lobby.

Alexander Huang, a former deputy chief of Taiwan's Mainland Affairs Council, said the show of force was meant to be a warning to countries around the Pacific, especially the US. The message is that Chinese military capability has attained a certain level, Huang said, adding that the submarine fleet could pose a challenge to US forces in the Western Pacific.

The Xinhua news agency, the official mouthpiece of the PRC government, released photos Sunday of what appeared to be Xia-class nuclear-armed submarines belonging to China's northern fleet. The Chinese Navy is believed to have eight to 10 of these first-generation nuclear submarines, which are several decades old.

State broadcaster China Central Television showed footage of the submarines taking part in naval drills.

The second-generation Jin-class vessels–numbering three to five according to international experts–have not previously been introduced in the Chinese media.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 10 Nov 2013 01:21

Just compare the costs of the 6 Kilo 636s,just over $300m per sub,compared with the cost of our 6 Scorpenes,which were ordered long before the Vietnamese order,where not a single boat has been commissioned and costs of the Scorpenes almost 4,000 crores ,$600+M each! The Vietnamese deal was signed as late as 2009,while the Scorpene deal was signed in 2005!

Last update 14:52 | 07/11/2013

Russia hands over Cam Ranh submarine sailor training center to Vietnam

VietNamNet Bridge - Representatives from Russia and Vietnam signed a document on the transfer of a submarine sailor training center for the 636 Kilo class submarine in Cam Ranh Bay to the Vietnam Navy.

On November 7, Russia will hand over the first submarine to Vietnam.

According to the Vietnam News Agency, the handover ceremony will be held in January 2014, on the occasion the first of the six submarines of project 636 to dock at Cam Ranh Bay.

More than 40 Vietnamese naval officers studied under a 1.5-year program in Russia to train teachers and trainers for the center.

The contract to provide six “Varshavyanka” diesel-electric submarines worth $2 billion to Vietnam was signed in 2009. This is one of the largest naval equipment export contracts of Russia.

The leading analyst on defense in Southeast Asia, Prof. Carl Thayer, said that the military balance in the East Sea will change when Vietnam puts into use Kilo submarines.

It is expected that on November 7, the first submarine named HQ-182 Hanoi will be handed over to Vietnam. The second submarine named HQ-183 Ho Chi Minh City has been completed. The remaining submarines are HQ-184 Hai Phong, HQ-186 Khanh Hoa, HQ-185 Da Nang and HQ- 87 Ba Ria-Vung Tau.

Kilo class submarines are capable of operating at sea in 45 days and they are considered formidable weapon by quiet operation, small noise and being equipped with modern weapons, including missiles and cruise missiles.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 11 Nov 2013 01:12

symontk wrote:How come US navy has detailed weather info on Bay of Bengal? do they have any assets there?

National Data Buoy Center.

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/rmd.shtml

We also have seabed seismic detectors around the globe.

We just gots to know.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 12 Nov 2013 19:07

Given the proliferation of subs globally,and the larger number of subs needed in a major navy's inventory,Russia is mulling over non-nuclear AIP subs for its 5th-gen designs.The standard 30-45 day patrol ,miniaturisation,greater automated machinery,etc.,is reducing crew sizes in conventional AIP subs.Nuclear subs being much larger,with a virtual unlimited range, are meant for true global operations.For most others,especially littoral warfare ops,smaller ,stealthy conventional AIP subs are becoming the choice of navies with sub ambitions.However,these subs,western mainly,come in at high costs when compared with Russian boats.It remains to be seen whether the new Russian 5th-gen concepts for the next decade will bring in a revolution in sub design.

Shipbuilder Outlines Concept of Future Attack Submarine
12 November 2013 | Issue 5253
RIA Novosti

Russia's fifth-generation strategic and attack submarines will most likely be non-nuclear-powered, more compact and less "visible," a senior designer at the Rubin design bureau said Monday.

Large nuclear-powered vessels, including Russia's Typhoon-class strategic boats, have so far dominated past and current trends in combat submarine construction.

"I believe future submarines will be smaller, because of the use of more advanced technologies as well as the pursuit of more cost-effective production," Sergei Sukhanov said in an interview.

"The fifth-generation boat will also be less 'visible' compared with existing submarines. They could also feature a new power plant, including fully electric," Sukhanov said, adding that changes could affect other sub-systems of future submarines.

The designer said the most likely substitution for a nuclear reactor on strategic and attack submarines would be an air-independent propulsion plant, or AIPP, which would make them stealthier than nuclear-powered boats.

The AIPP allows a non-nuclear submarine to operate without the need to access atmospheric oxygen.

While a nuclear submarine's reactor must constantly pump coolant, generating some amount of detectable noise, non-nuclear boats running on battery power or AIPP can be practically "silent."

"The endurance of submarines with this type of propulsion should be sufficient [for patrol or strike missions] — for a month or even more," Sukhanov said.

He said the construction of fifth-generation submarines in Russia could start in the next 10 to 15 years.

The Russian Navy currently relies on third-generation submarines, with fourth-generation subs of the Project 955 Borey class of strategic boats and Project 885 Yasen class of attack boats just beginning to be adopted for service.

Russia is planning to build eight Borey-class and eight Yasen-class submarines by 2020. They are expected to become the mainstay of the country's nuclear-powered submarine fleet for at least two decades.

The flagship of Russia's Pacific Fleet, the Varyag missile cruiser, docked Monday at the Mediterranean port of Alexandria, making it the first Russian warship to visit Egypt since 1992.

The Varyag's arrival comes two days ahead of a visit by a Russian delegation led by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to bolster military and political ties with Egypt.

During the six-day stay, the warship's crew will exchange visits with local government and naval officials and take part in a series of cultural and sports events, said the Pacific Fleet's spokesman, Captain First Rank Roman Martov.

The Varyag, a Slava-class missile cruiser designed as a surface strike ship with anti-aircraft and anti-submarine capability, is currently part of Russia's standing naval task force in the Mediterranean, which comprises some 10 warships from all four Russian fleets.

Read more: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/arti ... z2kRKIWV9t
The Moscow Times

govardhanks · Post by **govardhanks** » 14 Nov 2013 17:11

Don't know whether anyone posted this.

Russia’s Future Subs

Seawolf traveled to Norway underneath the Arctic ice

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 18 Nov 2013 13:37

Philip wrote:Just compare the costs of the 6 Kilo 636s,just over $300m per sub,compared with the cost of our 6 Scorpenes,which were ordered long before the Vietnamese order,where not a single boat has been commissioned and costs of the Scorpenes almost 4,000 crores ,$600+M each! The Vietnamese deal was signed as late as 2009,while the Scorpene deal was signed in 2005!

Just you wait..if $600 million each is giving you acidity, wonder what the $2+ billion unit price tag of the P-75I subs will give you (its already making me see stars in the day)..some parties in the MoD and IN are attempting to (and will surely manage to) pull off a really big scam off here with this daylight robbery that is the P-75I..we have an assembly line for 6 Scorpenes on which they've spent a fortune to get ToT and now they want to go throw $11.6 billion on another bloody line..

and all I can think of that is different is AIP and Brahmos..how the hell does that drive up the unit cost of a sub by such an astronomical sum? And why isn't anyone else whining about what appears to be a totally unjustifiable expense?

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 18 Nov 2013 13:44

And meanwhile, the cost of the Queen Elizabeth carrier for the UK has ballooned to £6.2 billion!

Cost of UK carrier passes £6 billion

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 19 Nov 2013 09:23

Boeing offering the P-8 mission system on a more affordable Bombardier Challenger 605 biz jet platform..

Flight Global Dubai air show link

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 21 Nov 2013 19:38

Spanish F110 has a permanent capability and a non permanent capability. A modular configuration will be suited for specific mission. Wow! cool.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 Nov 2013 00:45

We haven't been privy with the specs of the 75!s,which I fear is why the est. costs of the deal is that high,far more than the Scorpenes.The Scorpenes were planned to extend the western line of conventional subs to deal primarily with the PN's Agosta-90Bs.It was also perhaps a cute way in which Paki acquisition of a better French sub than the Agostas was scuttled.Upgrades of the U-209s would keep the Germans happy ,and they in any case were very reluctant to sell Pak their new U-boats because of the PLAN factor,Pak passing on sub secrets.As with Oz's future sub ambitions,a larger boat than the Scorpenes is probably planned for which will have a far greater capability than that of the Scorpenes,which are now old in concept and in the IN's own words will be obsolete by the time the whole lot are inducted into the IN!

Newer AIP systems than the French MESMA are being developed,both fuel-cell and the Russian new battery development in the works which would not require a fuel cell plug.A recent Russian report about 5th-gen subs indicates that some of them may in fact be non-nuclear.There was some speculation not too long ago about the Sarov design too.As for strike capability,how can one compare the Scorpene's subsonic Exocets with Brahmos? B'Mos is supersonic,has far more kinetic power than a sub-sonic missile,will reach its target far quicker,has greater terminal manoeuvring ability and a range advantage too.Our Kilos which will have to be progressively replaced by the new 75Is are larger in size and displacement than the Scorpenes.The subs will have a true blue-water ops priority with an endurance of at least 45 days.The weapons load carried would also be larger than that of the Scorpene,carrying B'Mos,Klub variants and Shkval too.Nirbhay once fully developed would be another essential weapon system.Now the current German U-boats and Scorpenes which are being supplied to various Asia-Pacific navies simply cannot meet the grade.A new design is required.Whether the larger Amur/Lada with BMos and AIP is a suitable solution for the 75I requirement is another issue.What one has to keep in mind is that a combination of both conventional new AIP boats and nuclear boats are required.The cost and maintenance of operating N-boats is being looked at even by navies such as Russia for both technical and eco. factors to complement each other in their respective strengths in combination.

Let me add some Cold War stats.It takes 3 N-subs in inventory to keep one on patrol.Therefore,even cost wise,one N-sub would cost twice as much as a conventional sub.Our current ATV design is around 6000t+,more than double the size of a Kilo.By this yardstick we would get 2 conventional AIP subs for one N-sub.The IN in my opinion would require at least 12 N-subs (5-6 SSBNs and 6 SSGNs) plus 24 conventional boats.This would give us a total of 36 subs-mini/midget subs not counted,to deal with 60-80 new Chinese subs,plus around a dozen Paki boats.I posted recently that Saudi Arabia is planning to acquire at speed a whopping 24 German U-boats ,5 already being negotiated/ordered,which will definitely carry the Sino-Paki cruise missile with a N-warhead.If the IN is going to sanitise both the IOR and venture into the Indo-China Sea as a first line of defence against any PLAN breakout into the IOR,especially by its sub force which last year made at least detected 22 intrusions,including N-boats,then a sub fleet as I've suggested will be the bare minimum to deal with these new multifarious threats.

srai · Post by **srai** » 22 Nov 2013 07:29

Kartik wrote:
Philip wrote:Just compare the costs of the 6 Kilo 636s,just over $300m per sub,compared with the cost of our 6 Scorpenes,which were ordered long before the Vietnamese order,where not a single boat has been commissioned and costs of the Scorpenes almost 4,000 crores ,$600+M each! The Vietnamese deal was signed as late as 2009,while the Scorpene deal was signed in 2005!

Just you wait..if $600 million each is giving you acidity, wonder what the $2+ billion unit price tag of the P-75I subs will give you (its already making me see stars in the day)..some parties in the MoD and IN are attempting to (and will surely manage to) pull off a really big scam off here with this daylight robbery that is the P-75I..we have an assembly line for 6 Scorpenes on which they've spent a fortune to get ToT and now they want to go throw $11.6 billion on another bloody line..

and all I can think of that is different is AIP and Brahmos..how the hell does that drive up the unit cost of a sub by such an astronomical sum? And why isn't anyone else whining about what appears to be a totally unjustifiable expense?

If current acquisition timelines (RFP, downselect & negotiations, approval, production line setup, ToT absorption, etc) are to go by, it will take another 15 years before the first of the new P-75I are inducted into the IN. That's 2025 or beyond before the first of the boat is inducted. The IN should be prepared to order another 6 Scorpene (w/ AIP) in the meantime to keep the lines humming; otherwise, there will be another gap in production (5 or more years) between P-75 and P-75I and the hard-earned ToT will be squandered once again.

Leo.Davidson · Post by **Leo.Davidson** » 22 Nov 2013 09:08

We seem to have hit rock bottom with this submarine fiasco. The Navy's inability to hit the panic button is detrimental to the security of the country. Unfortunately this can only be resolved by buying off-shelf. Mazagon Docks like the other government ship builders are completely incompetent at assembling warships.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 22 Nov 2013 09:23

It would help if MoD could explain why a sub costs that much, when it should not.

A huge part of what is going on in India - seems to be - PC tricks. Under the pretext of non-single vendor, something called transparent dealings, paper pushing, unknown to God processes, the cost escalates beyond any reason and people just sit and accept it.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 26 Nov 2013 02:02

http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=Rus ... 0131125_02

Russian Naval Ships arrive in the Island

[Click to magnify/shrink] Five Russian naval ships of the Pacific Fleet arrived at the Port of Colombo yesterday (24th November) for replenishment and crews' relaxation. "Admiral Panteleyev", "Peresvet", "Admiral Nevelsky", "Fotiy Krylov" and "Pechenga", were accorded a naval welcome upon their arrival at the port of Colombo by the Sri Lanka Navy. The ships called in on Colombo on their way home to Vladivostok from the Mediterranean.

The anti-submarine ship "Admiral Panteleyev" is 162 meters in length and has a displacement of 7,595 tons. It carries a complement of 92 officers and 336 seamen onboard.

The two landing ships, "Admiral Nevelsky" and "Peresvet" meaasure 112 meters in length and has a displacement of 4,000 tons each. "Admiral Nevelsky" has 24 officers and 115 seamen while "Peresvet" carries 28 officers and 117 seamen onboard.

"Fotiy Krylov" is a 98 meter salvage tug. It has a displacement of 7,542 tons and a complement of 04 officers, 13 seamen and 48 sailors.

The replenishment vessel "Pechenga" is 130 meters in length and has a displacement of 11,140 tons. It has a complement of 03 officers, 10 seamen and 49 sailors.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 26 Nov 2013 02:37

^^^^^^ A salvage tug is very important whenever these guys go on deployment. When they deploy one of their a/c carriers, two tugs go along.
For real, man!

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 28 Nov 2013 06:03

Oct 23, 2013 :: Phl eyes frigates from India

The Philippines, which is beefing up its defense capability, is considering the procurement of naval frigates from India.

Philippine officials discussed this the other day with a visiting delegation from India led by External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid.

India has intensified its engagement with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations as part of its “Look East” policy in the past decade.

Khurshid, who met yesterday with Vice President Jejomar Binay, said the relationship between the two countries is “extremely important.”

“Now is the time to begin a new chapter,” Khurshid said yesterday over lunch with Filipino officials as he emphasized the two countries’ “shared aspirations and shared attitudes.”

The Philippines is eyeing the procurement of two frigates from India, a nuclear power with its own military shipbuilding capability.

India has built its own stealth-capable warship, which visited Manila several months ago. The Indians are developing their first aircraft carrier and will acquire one soon from Russia.

Like the Philippines, India has a territorial dispute with its neighbor China. Khurshid told The STAR yesterday that his government was pursuing engagement with the Chinese.

The other day, Khurshid and his delegation met separately with Foreign Affairs SecretaryAlbert del Rosario and Philippine security officials.

Khurshid, who proceeded to Manila from meetings in Brazil, leaves for Singapore today.

The Philippines is currently finalizing the procurement of fighter jets from South Korea.

Not connected with territorial row

The defense department maintained yesterday that the acquisition of fighter jets from South Korea has nothing to do with the territorial row in the West Philippine Sea.

“This has been planned even before the developments in the West Philippine Sea,” defense department spokesman Peter Galvez said in a phone interview.

Galvez was asked for a reaction after a Japanese paper reported on Monday that China had asked South Korea not to sell FA-50 jets to the country.

Galvez declined to comment on the report itself but said the military’s upgrade efforts are not related to the territorial row with China.

The defense department previously said that the lead-in fighter jets acquisition project would boost the territorial defense capabilities of the country.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 29 Nov 2013 08:50

Maritime ‘black hole’: Russia launches new ‘stealth’ submarine

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 29 Nov 2013 17:22

Look at the speed with which Russia is churning out Kilo 636.3s.A few new ones to augment/replace our aging Kilos would be a good cost-effective interim solution to our sub shortage.

Submarine brigade to be set up at Russian Black Sea Fleet base in Novorossiysk
13:34 November 28, 2013 Interfax

The Russian Black Sea Fleet will restore a submarine unit with the commissioning of six new submarines built by Admiralty Shipyards, Russian Navy Deputy Commander Viktor Bursuk told Interfax-AVN on Thursday.

"Infrastructure for new submarines is being created in Novorossiysk. A brigade of submarine forces will be set up there as well," Bursuk said in reply to a question from Interfax-AVN.
Aircraft carriers still critical for Russian navy

Opinion: Aircraft carriers still critical for Russian navy

Bursuk took part in a ceremony of launching a Project 636.3 submarine called Novorossiysk, the first of the six submarines ordered for the Black Sea Fleet.

Next year, the Novorossiysk will undergo performance trials near Europe and then will depart for its first cruise toward its future base, he said.

The Novorossiysk was laid down in August 2010, the second submarine of the series, the Rostov-on-Don, in November 2011 and the Stary Oskol in August 2012.

The Novorossiysk is to be commissioned for the Black Sea Fleet in July 2014 and will be attached to the Novorossiysk Naval Base. The sixth submarine should be commissioned for the Navy in 2016.

Most interesting article on sub building.Sevmash is where the Gorshkov/Vikram was rebuilt.

http://rbth.ru/science_and_tech/2013/10 ... html[quote]

How to build the perfect submarine
October 18, 2013 Daniil Ilchenko, Russky Reporter
A Russky Reporter reporter visited a top-secret shipyard in the town of Severodvinsk and saw how Russia’s underwater missile shield is being built.
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Russky Reporter correspondent Daniil Ilchenko traveled to Severodvinsk, where he visited a top-secret shipyard and saw with his own eyes Russia’s underwater missile shield being built.
Project 885 Yasen-class submarine

Infographics: Project 885 Yasen-class submarine

“It's like taking a child to school for the first time: On the one hand, it’s a sort of coming of age, but, on the other, you know, it’s just the beginning,” says Nikolai Semakov, the deliverer of the first fourth-generation Russian submarine known as the Yury Dolgoruky (Borey-class project number 955).

Semakov is head of Sevmash’s construction section. It took him 17 years to build his first submarine.

“It was a test of our entire industry, because every order involves more than 600 companies—an entire industry! Can we make such a complex product? We learned from experience that the situation is not all that bad. All sorts of problems arose in the course of the work and a lot of things had to be refined after testing, but we built our next ship, the Alexander Nevsky, in seven years, and the Vladimir Monomakh in six years,” says Semakov.

From tugs and barges to pontoons and fish factories, in the last couple of decades, Sevmash has built more than 100 ships for Germany, Sweden, Norway and the Netherlands. The development of civil shipbuilding kept Russia’s largest defense shipyard afloat and, in effect, saved it from ruin in the 1990s.

In the coming years, Sevmash’s new nuclear submarine will “test the waters” more often. By 2020, the company plans to build 15 new-generation nuclear submarines — seven Yasens and eight Boreys.

“Submarine-building is a business nowadays. Gone are the days when the party leadership handled our production-related issues. Today we need to be able to negotiate both prices and delivery dates. We survive by hook or by crook in difficult market conditions,” says Alexandra Vlasova, head of the company’s testing and measurement group and winner of the national Engineer of the Year 2012 award.

It is difficult to overestimate the degree of responsibility of Vlasova and her team. At the submarine’s operating depth, the stream of water that comes out of the one-centimeter hole in the hull has enough energy to cut a man in half. So it is no small wonder that, when submariners gather around the table on special occasions, the third toast is always: “To the hull. May it stay strong.”

Actually, submarines are not built, but welded. Today’s submarines have millions of welds joining hundreds of thousands of components. The company keeps track of who performed each weld, and this information is stored for as long as the submarine is in service.

While every weld is thoroughly checked by X-ray and ultrasound analysis, the personalization of responsibility for a potential disaster on par with Chernobyl significantly improves the quality of the work.

Still, there are places where human welders cannot work. For these places, you need a robot.

Sevmash’s Shipyard 42 built the Leninsky Komsomol, the Soviet Union’s first nuclear submarine, in 1957. It also built the Zolotaya Rybka, the world's first titanium submarine, in 1968; its top speed of 52 miles per hour underwater remains unsurpassed to this day.

Gradually, the function of developing into other areas was assumed by Shipyard 55. In the 1980s, it built the Akula series (project number 941), the largest “steel predators” in the world — two football fields long and as tall as a 9-story building. The Akula is listed in the Guinness Book of Records.

“Here, the welded seam is nearly perfect,” says first-category electrical engineer Sergei Ryzhkov, gravely.

We stumbled upon a small porthole located at the halfway mark of a huge barrel that is four stories high and can hold 237,755 gallons. Behind a thick pane of glass, a huge terminator-like hand hovers over a pile of iron.

Instead of a brush, the computerized hand holds an electron-beam gun. The electron beams coming out of the barrel glide over the surface of the metal in a yellow speck, leaving a perfect weld.

“It is remarkable that all of the mechanical equipment was made in Russia. The Progress Research Institute in the city of Izhevsk still produces such things. The gun can do practically any maneuver. It is a unique assembly. Many people know about this and are envious—the Americans, the Japanese and the Germans,” says Ryzhkov.

The near-perfect vacuum in the barrel ensures a far better weld than without it. In this chamber, the welds are made at the nodes responsible for noise dampening.

Stealth is the main weapon of any submarine. It is the entire raison d'etre of the submarine fleet. A submarine that is discovered is as good as destroyed, so the need to keep the noise low is a constant headache for those who design them. The electron-beam welding device largely solves the problem.

The black-as-pitch anti-echo envelope is only the outward aspect of the technological treasures carefully hidden under the high-strength steel hull. It is the know-how that allows Russian submarines to escape detection in the midst of NATO anti-submarine military exercises and sometimes visit the Gulf of Mexico.
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These submarines have, as it were, keen eyes and sensitive ears, preventing the appearance of and enabling the recognition the enemy at a distance of over 125 miles.

And they definitively answer questions that are on the minds of many foreign competitors such as, “What makes the Russian Onyx anti-ship complex better than the U.S. Harpoon?” or, “How is it that Russia’s cruise missiles can fly twice as far as Tomahawks?”[/quote]

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 29 Nov 2013 20:45

Interesting article.Some Qs,reg. differences between Yakhont and Brahmos,both from the same design and stable..First the size of warhead.BMos is supposed to have a 300kg warhead,while Yakhont has 500kg.Secondly,the range given for Yakhont is approx. 500km,more than the 300km range given for BMos,to meet MTCR requirements,but it indicates the actual range of the missile,and could even be more if the smaller warhead on BMos has been used for more fuel to be carried.The differences are perhaps why the Russians do not want BMos to be fitted to their warships and subs when their equivalent has significant differences to suit their requirements.The larger warhead is because most Russian anti-ship missiles are/were primarily meant to sink US carriers.It's why Russian Kashins had their Styx missiles facing rearwards,the tactic being that the destroyer would steam away from the carrier and make a surprise launch of its missiles.

The "wolfpack" tactic will also be available with our BMos missiles and the number of platforms that will carry BMos is only increasing,very encouraging.The news that the Zircon hypersonic version is round the corner is good news,as the same etch will be used for the hyper version of BMos too.

http://rbth.ru/science_and_tech/2013/08 ... 28781.html

Russian supersonic missiles behave like wolves
August 8, 2013 Dmitry Litovkin, special to RBTH
Large-scale construction of the next-generation Project 885 Yasen-class submarine armed with Onyx supersonic missiles is starting in Russia. These ships will compete with the latest American Seawolf-class nuclear submarines and will be world leaders in terms of fire power.

Russian supersonic missiles behave like wolves
Yakhont anti-ship cruise missile at the 3rd International Airspace Show in Moscow. Source: RIA Novosti

Large-scale construction of the next-generation Project 885 Yasen-class multi-purpose nuclear attack submarine, armed with Onyx supersonic cruise missiles, is starting in Russia. The ships will compete with the latest American Seawolf-class nuclear submarines in terms of their noise profile and will be world leaders in terms of fire power.

Moscow plans to acquire at least 10 of these boats by 2020. The fourth submarine in this class was laid down in Severodvinsk on the eve of Navy Day, which was celebrated on July 28.

The Project 885 nuclear submarine is the quintessence of everything the Russian military industrial complex has achieved in over half a century of building submarines.
Russia plans to sell multipurpose submarines abroad

Russia plans to sell multipurpose submarines abroad

The vessel has a hull made from high-resilience, low-magnetic steel, and can dive to a depth of more than 1,968.5 feet (conventional boats cannot go deeper than 984.2 feet), which effectively puts it out of reach of all types of modern anti-submarine weapons. Its maximum speed is more than 30 knots (about 34.5 miles per hour). The nuclear submarine is equipped with an escape pod for the whole crew.

The Russian designers say that the Yasen is not only quieter than the quietest Russian nuclear submarine (the Project 971 Akula - 'Shark'), but also quieter than the latest American Seawolf nuclear submarine.

Moreover, unlike those vessels, the new missile submarine will be more functional, thanks to the weapons at its disposal (several types of cruise missiles and torpedoes). It will be able to fulfil a wide range of roles at sea.

Formidable

The Akula nuclear submarine currently forms the basis of the Russian group of multi-purpose attack submarines designed for raiding operations against sea lanes. Virtually inaudible in the depths of the ocean, they are equally effective against transport vessels and warships, and can also hit the enemy’s coastal infrastructure with cruise missiles.

Akula submarines were recently reported within the 200-mile zone of the coasts of the United States and Canada, which caused a serious commotion among the countries’ respective militaries. Having discovered the presence of these “guests,” neither of them was able to track their movement, which naturally caused serious concern.

After all, the Akula carries 28 Kh-55 Granat cruise missiles on board — the equivalent of the American Tomahawk, which can fly 1,864.1 miles and deliver 200-kiloton nuclear warheads to their targets.

Invulnerable

The main attack system on the Yasen is the P-800 Onyx — the latest Russian supersonic cruise missile. The missile is the basis for two absolutely identical export versions: The Russian Yakhont and the Indian BrahMos have a similar appearance to the Onyx, but with significantly reduced combat characteristics.

The Onyx devices are capable of being fired from underwater, and they fly at a speed of 2,460 feet per second, carrying a devastating, high-explosive warhead weighing half a ton. The missiles have a range of more than 372.8 miles.
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The Onyx is guided to its target by a navigational system that operates on target designation data provisionally input to the missile before it is launched. At a predetermined point in the trajectory (15–50 miles), the missile’s homing device is briefly activated and determines the precise location of the target.

The next time the homing device is activated is after a sharp reduction in altitude to 15–50 feet, just seconds before it hits the enemy. This is to ensure that, when the enemy detects the missile’s launch, it cannot “jam” the missile with electronic countermeasures.

Wolf pack

It is not the missile’s high speed or the protection of its homing device against electronic countermeasures that makes the Onyx a super-modern weapon.

Once it is launched from the submarine, the missile finds the target by itself. After determining their coordinates, the missiles “wait” until the last one is out of the launch tubes and then line up, just like a wolf pack, and begin to “home in on their prey.”

The designers are not really advertising this point, but it is the missiles themselves that decide which missile attacks, which target and how. The missile “pack” decides these targets, classifies them in terms of importance, and selects the tactics for the attack and the plan for its execution.

In order to prevent mistakes, the missile’s onboard computer system is programmed with electronic data on all modern classes of ship. This is purely tactical information—for example, on the class of vessel.

This enables the missiles to determine what they are up against — whether it be an aircraft-carrier or landing group—and then to attack the main targets within the group. The Onyx missile’s onboard computer also holds data on how to counter the enemy’s electronic warfare systems, which can divert a missile from its target, and systems for evading anti-aircraft defense systems.

At the same time, like wolves in a real pack, the missiles themselves decide which one of them is the main attacker and which must take the role of the decoy to lure the enemy’s aircraft and air defense systems away.

Once the main selected target has been destroyed, the other missiles immediately redistribute the combat assignments between themselves and begin to destroy other vessels. There is no ship in the world that can dodge an attack by Onyx missiles.

Yes, ship-borne radar systems can detect that they have been launched, but then further resistance is useless. The speed of these missiles and the way they constantly maneuver above the surface of the sea makes it practically impossible to intercept them with air defense systems or aircraft.

Universal

Another advantage of the Onyx missile is that it can be used with various types of carriers. In Russia, it is installed not only in submarines but also on surface vessels and mobile land-based platforms — the Bastion shore-based missile systems. It is the presence of these systems in Syria that so worries Washington today.

Onyx will also be included in the weaponry of the Su-30MK family of fighters and the latest Su-34 frontline bombers. Still, the most important thing is that the next generation following the Onyx is already on its way. This is the Zircon — the first hypersonic combat missile system, which is due to start testing next year.

Russian supersonic missiles behave like wolves

member_28041 · Post by **member_28041** » 29 Nov 2013 23:36

Philip wrote:Look at the speed with which Russia is churning out Kilo 636.3s.A few new ones to augment/replace our aging Kilos would be a good cost-effective interim solution to our sub shortage.

A better option would be to induct more nuclear SSN's .
Aren't we ordering one more Akula? Meanwhile let us put all our effort(and money) into own nuclear attack subs.
The current order for the scorpene could be increased instead of creating a new line for diesel subs.

Leo.Davidson · Post by **Leo.Davidson** » 30 Nov 2013 08:37

Can someone shed some light on how the wolf hunting works? You have two or more missiles racing divergently towards a target with dissimilar parameters in radio silence. And they will have only one midcourse update or information exchange with the mothership.

What technology do they use for the midcourse update? satellite! I doubt they are using line-of-sight RF with a surrogate aircraft/surface vessel. Now you're complicating the situation by having these missiles communicate with each other.

How do they do it?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 Dec 2013 00:20

TSJones wrote:^^^^^^ A salvage tug is very important whenever these guys go on deployment. When they deploy one of their a/c carriers, two tugs go along.
For real, man!

the salvage tug is also a ice-breaker. plus, it is sent along with the fleet when they expect the possibility of engaging in hostilities. unlike what you think, it's a statement of intent.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 01 Dec 2013 01:08

Leo.Davidson wrote:Can someone shed some light on how the wolf hunting works? You have two or more missiles racing divergently towards a target with dissimilar parameters in radio silence. And they will have only one midcourse update or information exchange with the mothership.

What technology do they use for the midcourse update? satellite! I doubt they are using line-of-sight RF with a surrogate aircraft/surface vessel. Now you're complicating the situation by having these missiles communicate with each other.

How do they do it?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3052621/posts for wolf pack description