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nageshks wrote:Here is an article about Indo-Israeli cooperation in the wake of the Nairobi attacks.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-an ... ry-romance

I think the author is a bit too generous to the US in his evaluation of the US facilitation of the Indo-Israeli relations. But the basic point remains.
Until 1992, when India officially recognized Israel, the road always went through the US - actually. The two nations exchanged scientists - as an example, but, since the passports prohibited them from visiting each other the only option was to go to the US and vanish.

May be the author is referring to such incidences.
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cross posted from the West Asia thread.

This would be amusing, if it were not so tragic.
Ex-Israeli Soldier Denounced on US Campus for Not Raping Palestinian Women
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfiel ... nian-women

I was a bit skeptical about this bit of news, so I followed it to the Hebrew University site, and lo and behold, I find that the thesis is written by a leftist Jew, and actually won a prize for the best thesis.

The entire thesis is in Hebrew, and is available on the Hebrew University site. A longer dissection of the thesis can be found at
http://www.zionism-israel.com/log/archi ... 00471.html

And here we blame our leftists for being deracinated. You have to admit the sheer originality of the accusation.
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NRao wrote: Until 1992, when India officially recognized Israel, the road always went through the US - actually. The two nations exchanged scientists - as an example, but, since the passports prohibited them from visiting each other the only option was to go to the US and vanish.

May be the author is referring to such incidences.
Dunno. From what people in the foreign ministry say (my dad audited our foreign ministry for a decade in the 80s), the India Israel relations continued under the radar, even when there were no formal relations. While politically we were gung-ho about the PLO and Yasser Arafat, we continued to cooperate in mutual interest directly with Israel. Even Moshe Dayan used to come to Kerala for Indian medicines that helped him, and on a personal level, Indian and Israeli leaders and diplomats got along just fine. Not sure if US help would have been needed to discuss things quietly. Anyway, it is just a matter of opinion, and I have no doubt that the US did facilitate some cooperation between the two countries (how much and how important it is is open to interpretation).
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nageshks wrote: Dunno. From what people in the foreign ministry say (my dad audited our foreign ministry for a decade in the 80s), the India Israel relations continued under the radar, even when there were no formal relations. While politically we were gung-ho about the PLO and Yasser Arafat, we continued to cooperate in mutual interest directly with Israel. Even Moshe Dayan used to come to Kerala for Indian medicines that helped him, and on a personal level, Indian and Israeli leaders and diplomats got along just fine. Not sure if US help would have been needed to discuss things quietly. Anyway, it is just a matter of opinion, and I have no doubt that the US did facilitate some cooperation between the two countries (how much and how important it is is open to interpretation).
I knew two Indian physicist (was their architect in Bombay) that visited Israel regularly - but they had to fly via the US (NY).

I also bumped into plenty of Indians (in the 70s) who had visited Israel (they were granted transit visas when they landed in Israel) - even though their passports very clearly stated that they were not authorized to visit Israel (and SA) (my first passport had those restrictions rubber stamped).

So, the US (and perhaps other European nations too) did provide support towards this relationship. We have to remember that airlines will prevent you from boarding their air crafts if the travel papers are not in order. :wink:
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The road to Israel before formal normalisation was not always through the US, although it was one of the important pathways no doubt. It is important to remember that Jewish people and Hindus were interacting all over the world - the diamond industry being just one example. Not to mention that there are some 50,000 or so Indian Jews now in Israel. There are quite a few well known Israelis of Indian origin - including former Airforce Chief Herzl Bodinger for instance. There are Jews and synagogues in various parts of India. The opportunity for contact was always there. For interaction on a strategic level, travel formalities are not always as complicated ... And meetings do not necessarily have to be in either country.
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There is one beautiful synagogue in Pune (somewhere near MG road parallel to it on the way to the Pune Railway Station). Hasn't Zubin Mehta become an Israeli citizen?
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^No, he is Indian citizen, saw him say that on some NDTV program.
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JE Menon wrote:There are quite a few well known Israelis of Indian origin - including former Airforce Chief Herzl Bodinger for instance.
I have searched in vain for a source. Do you have more details please? A link if possible.

I have memories of our family Dr from Calcutta who was an Indian Jew her name was "Ob (V)adia be Cohen. She wore the most colourful sarees and a huge Star of David necklace.She spoke Hindi, Punjabi, Gujarati and Urdu :D
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http://www.indjews.com/

http://www.thehindu.com/features/magazi ... 653200.ece

https://www.facebook.com/NationalConvention

About Bodinger, I can't find a link strangely. I'm pretty sure it was online. But not anymore. Still, I could be mistaken and for some reason I remember this name as being of Indian origin, so perhaps best to not treat it as conclusive. Here are some other famous Indian Jews at the bottom, if you scroll down:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Jews
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http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indi ... 06597.html

Shekhar Gupta mentions in passing, Bodinger.
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Dipanker wrote:^No, he is Indian citizen, saw him say that on some NDTV program.
He is still an Zoroastrian Indian (or is it Indian Zoroastrian?). I was under the impression that he had taken Israeli citizenship.
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Thanx brihaspati. I've seen it elsewhere too...at separate times.... Weird though that it has suddenly become scarce. Could still be that it's not a fact and is one of those net myths... Omelette Gupta's article may have slipped through...because of the slightly unusual spelling by him of the name...
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JEM,
he was part of a hardware promotion exercise, that includes India as potential client. If there was any such "roots" shadow, it is understandable as to why it would be taken off. This info can be checked though. I will try to confirm.
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matrimc wrote:There is one beautiful synagogue in Pune (somewhere near MG road parallel to it on the way to the Pune Railway Station). Hasn't Zubin Mehta become an Israeli citizen?
The one you are referring to is Ohel David Synagogue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohel_David_Synagogue
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Daler Mehendi had shot a song there in early 2000's


Since 26/11 the compound walls of this once sleepy place have been raised from 3 ft to almost 15 ft and there is 24x7 police presence with makeshift post created of sand bags. Very unfortunate reality.
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Media reports:

Israel is allowing 899 Indian Jews from the N-east states to migrate to it.The "Bnei Menashe",Jews exiled by the Assyrians 2700 yrs. ago,are supposedly one of the lost 10 tribes of Israel.Their immigration was speeded up after the chief rabbi of the Sephardic Jews declared them descendants of Israel amid intense debate about their ancestry.The tragedy is that India has lost so many excellent nationals ,whose families have lived here for centuries,who have migrated to Israel.These members of the Jewish faith who have migrated to Israel should preserve the PIO status as they could make significant contributions to the country just as other PIOs who have migrated westwards have done.
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Israel-India business growing in the agriculture and water conservation sectors.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 20,00.html
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Its ironic sad to see a non-aligned, proud anti-colonial nation to go from writing "This passport is not valid in South Africa and Israel (both apartheid states)" to literally kissing arse of Israelis.

India should be standing right in front of the queue in opposing the continuation of old European colonial order in Palestine (The Israeli state, and its colonization by displacement of the native people of the land with the support of distorted historical narrative).

European colonial order gave utter misery to India..divided the country into two (three now) and all Indians/Pakistanis/Bangladeshis are still living in misery and backward conditions. Shouldn't Indians be with Palestinians ardently instead of cozying up to Israel just for the sake of few conventional weapons?
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>>Shouldn't Indians be with Palestinians

For what? To applaud their ability to undertake random terror attacks, attack israeli schoolbuses, spread the worst kind of islamist propaganda?

Palestinians can handle their own issues.

And Pak/India/Bangladesh living in misery and backward conditions is none of your business. We Indians can manage our future ourselves.
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Isreal fought and won its place amoung the Arabs and many jews have been living since Millenea, Isreal respect of the Arab minority is the bets in the region.

India relationship with Isreal is morally justified while the Colonial, Chinese and Jihadi support in the Indian region is morally unjustified. if the colonials withdraw support to despotic regimes in West asia and should ensure freedom of religion across west asia.
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Indian policy should be based on our interests not being do gooders around the world.

Now what did India ever get in return for its support of the so called Palestinian "cause" from the OIC?

India was also impoverished by brutal Islamic tyranny before the Christian Europeans invaded.
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Plus the arrogance of a lot of these Pals when they are in India has to be seen to be believed.
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It is far more difficult to wage peace than war.War is catastrophic in the destruction that occurs.The US's wars of the 21st century have shown that in ample measure.Iraq has been destroyed in Biblical terms,Libya back in the "sand" age,and Syria shows off its new archaeological "ruins",while ancient cities like Aleppo,etc. have been devastated.
The US is tired of waging war and has been considerably weakened economically and mentally.In truth,it has lost the will to wage war.The two peace deals with Iran and Syria,show that Israel under the pro-active military policies of the current regime are out of sync with its most important patron,Uncle Sam. It is now time for Israel's excellent diplomacy to begin new bold iniatives with its most avowed foes.At the very least it will give Israel enough time to strengthen its economy and develop new security concepts for the future.

It is therefore in Israel's interests to wage peace as efficiently as it wages its wars,where it generally ends up the winner.The continuation of the Palestinian "problem" and dilution of the various accords reached for the establishment of a Palestinian state is a recipe for disaster.The PLO has abdicated its leadership to militant groups like Hamas and the Hiz,who are now spearheading the armed struggle against Israel,backed by outside powers like Iran,etc.At this moment in time the Palestinians are at their weakest strength ever,the best time for a deal to be struck.The emergence of proxies representing various entities like the Saudis,Qataris,Iranians,US mercenaries,Syrian forces supported by the Russians,etc.,add upto a truly lethal cocktail on Israel's borders.Jordan is a very unstable state and if it too in the future goes down the tube,like Egypt,a wider more explosive ME war that will draw in many of the world's major military powers could be apocalyptic.
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Philip wrote:It is far more difficult to wage peace than war.War is catastrophic in the destruction that occurs.The US's wars of the 21st century have shown that in ample measure.Iraq has been destroyed in Biblical terms,Libya back in the "sand" age,and Syria shows off its new archaeological "ruins",while ancient cities like Aleppo,etc. have been devastated.
The US is tired of waging war and has been considerably weakened economically and mentally.In truth,it has lost the will to wage war.The two peace deals with Iran and Syria,show that Israel under the pro-active military policies of the current regime are out of sync with its most important patron,Uncle Sam. It is now time for Israel's excellent diplomacy to begin new bold iniatives with its most avowed foes.At the very least it will give Israel enough time to strengthen its economy and develop new security concepts for the future.

It is therefore in Israel's interests to wage peace as efficiently as it wages its wars,where it generally ends up the winner.The continuation of the Palestinian "problem" and dilution of the various accords reached for the establishment of a Palestinian state is a recipe for disaster.The PLO has abdicated its leadership to militant groups like Hamas and the Hiz,who are now spearheading the armed struggle against Israel,backed by outside powers like Iran,etc.At this moment in time the Palestinians are at their weakest strength ever,the best time for a deal to be struck.The emergence of proxies representing various entities like the Saudis,Qataris,Iranians,US mercenaries,Syrian forces supported by the Russians,etc.,add upto a truly lethal cocktail on Israel's borders.Jordan is a very unstable state and if it too in the future goes down the tube,like Egypt,a wider more explosive ME war that will draw in many of the world's major military powers could be apocalyptic.
Saar - you are looking at the problem too much from the pov of an outsider. No Palestinian deal with Israel will survive because it has no acceptance among the Palestinian populace. If any Palestinian government strikes a deal with Israel, it will lose all support, and the peace accord will become worthless, because the next government (which will rise from the opposition to the peace) will repudiate it. Yasser Arafat was supreme as long as he hated the Jews in public. When he went into a deal with them, he lost support. Ditto with Abbas, and all the rest of them.

The bottomline is this: The hatred of Israel is the basis of the careers of a lot of people, and has a huge support among the Palestinian people. They have a stake in continuing the conflict with Israel. They will never let any deal survive, since the Palestinians do not want peace. On the other hand, the peace constituency has no backing among anyone except for a handful. They cannot influence anyone or let the deal survive.

As for India, we have a stake in letting Israel survive as a viable entity. Not only is it a source of very useful technologies to us, and a strategic ally, but also is holding up a huge number of jihadis, who will otherwise be released to make war in the rest of the world (including India). Civilisationally, too, India and Israel have a lot in common - tolerance of other people being just one of them. Consequently, India should forget all about Palestine (supporting whom has given us nothing), but align with a sister democracy like Israel, as that alliance will come with a lot of benefits for both sides.
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Auz wrote:Its ironic sad to see a non-aligned, proud anti-colonial nation to go from writing "This passport is not valid in South Africa and Israel (both apartheid states)" to literally kissing arse of Israelis.
If there are apartheid states in the world, they are the Arab countries. Care to inform us how they treat their minorities? Or are your lectures and principles limited to certain audiences?
India should be standing right in front of the queue in opposing the continuation of old European colonial order in Palestine (The Israeli state, and its colonization by displacement of the native people of the land with the support of distorted historical narrative).
What distorted historical narrative? Care to explain to us? Hint: Israel has given its minorities equal rights. What has Palestinian state given to its Christians?
European colonial order gave utter misery to India..divided the country into two (three now) and all Indians/Pakistanis/Bangladeshis are still living in misery and backward conditions. Shouldn't Indians be with Palestinians ardently instead of cozying up to Israel just for the sake of few conventional weapons?
Even granting that Israel is a continuation of the old European colonial order (which it is not), the Arab-Islamic colonial order gave us infinitely more misery than the European colonial order. Why should we choose the Arab-Islamic order?
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From where does this Jew hating business in Palestine get its funds from ?
Iran doesn't seem to be too rich to spare hard cash for these Palestinian guys to live and make merry (as they currently seem to be doing) without a viable economy.
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Lilo wrote:From where does this Jew hating business in Palestine get its funds from ?
Iran doesn't seem to be too rich to spare hard cash for these Palestinian guys to live and make merry (as they currently seem to be doing) without a viable economy.
Jew hatred is ingrained in both Christianity and Islam, and does not need much funding to keep it alive. Even in supposedly civilised western Europe, antisemitism is rife. Just scratch beneath the surface and beneath the supposed posh opposition to Israel, you will see the ugly antisemitism in its full glory, as strong as it was in the 1930s. Many cartoons that the Al Guardian publishes would have made Der Sturmer proud.
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nageshks wrote:Jew hatred is ingrained in both Christianity and Islam, and does not need much funding to keep it alive..
Nageshks ji,
What i meant is take the case of Pakis - Hindu hatred is ingrained in them - yet that cannot feed them much and things remaining same they would have been wallowing bhooka nanga if not for the support of their 3.5 entities (Massa,SaudiA,China and 0.5 Japan).

So similarly which states are funneling money to Palestine and letting them live in style (without need to work) allowing to keep their rabidity alive for the Jews without need to think much of bread and Couscous issues ?

Few prominent country names is what I want to hear.
I have my guesses - but they are just guesses.
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The issue of survival of the Israeli state is not in question.The danger is that if the Palestinians also wallow in their hatred for Israel and renege on the agreements signed,their cause and agenda will be hikacked by outside entities who have their own selfish interests. The famous saying that "a hungry man is an angry man" holds good especially in the M-East. Fundamentally,the Palestinians want a much better life than that of the subsistence existence that they endure. I've said many a time that you cannot have a rich and prosperous Israel on the one hand ,adjacent to a motley collection of impoverished loosely linked desert enclaves, that by the wildest stretch of the imagination does not qualify for the definition and a miserable apology of a "nation state" There will always be envy,hatred and militant rage erupting time and again unless the Palestinians have a better existence and are given a political entity and adequate land to regulate their own affairs.This has been accepted even by Israel which long ago signed the Oslo accord,which would've eventually led to the establishment of a workable Pal. state.Sadly,the accord has gathered dust and is now about to be tipped into the dustbin of history,another missed opportunity.

The US has in the eyes of many Israelis betrayed them by "fornicating" with Iran.It has brought Israel and the Saudis,"strange bedfellows" indeed together! On Iran,Israel is now isolated.Therefore,it is far better that Israel makes the running and formulates the agenda in ME diplomacy and peace efforts ,rather than having an unwelcome dose of medicine shoved down its throat.

Oslo accord Wik:
In essence, the accords called for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from parts of the Gaza Strip and West Bank, and affirmed a Palestinian right of self-government within those areas through the creation of a Palestinian Interim Self-Government Authority. Palestinian rule was to last for a five-year interim period during which "permanent status negotiations" would commence—no later than May 1996—in order to reach a final agreement. Major issues such as Jerusalem, Palestinian refugees, Israeli settlements, and security and borders were to be decided at these permanent status negotiations (Article V). Israel was to grant interim self-government to the Palestinians in phases.

Along with the principles, the two groups signed Letters of Mutual Recognition—the Israeli government recognized the PLO as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people, while the PLO recognized the right of the state of Israel to exist and renounced terrorism as well as other violence, and its desire for the destruction of the Israeli state.

The aim of Israeli–Palestinian negotiations was to establish a Palestinian Interim Self-Government Authority, an elected Council, for the Palestinian people in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, for a transitional period not exceeding five years, leading to a permanent settlement based on UN Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, an integral part of the whole peace process.

In order that the Palestinians govern themselves according to democratic principles, free and general political elections would be held for the Council.

Jurisdiction of the Palestinian Council would cover the West Bank and Gaza Strip, except for issues that would be finalized in the permanent status negotiations. The two sides viewed the West Bank and Gaza as a single territorial unit.

The five-year transitional period would commence with Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and Jericho area. Permanent status negotiations would begin as soon as possible between Israel and the Palestinians. The negotiations would cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, Palestinian refugees, Israeli settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbors, and other issues of common interest.

There would be a transfer of authority from the Israel Defense Forces to the authorized Palestinians, concerning education and culture, health, social welfare, direct taxation, and tourism.

The Council would establish a strong police force, while Israel would continue to carry the responsibility for defending against external threats.

An Israeli–Palestinian Economic Cooperation Committee would be established in order to develop and implement in a cooperative manner the programs identified in the protocols.

A redeployment of Israeli military forces in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip would take place.

The Declaration of Principles would enter into force one month after its signing. All protocols annexed to the Declaration of Principles and the Agreed Minutes pertaining to it were to be regarded as a part of it.
Mutual distrust Wik:
According to the Israeli government, the Israelis' trust in the accords was undermined by the fact that after the signing, the attacks against Israel intensified,[6] which some explained as an attempt by certain Palestinian organizations to thwart the peace process. Others believed that the Palestinian Authority had no interest in stopping these attacks and was instead endorsing them. Important sections of the Israeli public opposed the process; notably, the Jewish settlers feared that it would lead to them losing their homes.

Many Palestinians feared that Israel was not serious about dismantling their settlements in the West Bank, especially around Jerusalem. They feared they might even accelerate their settlement program in the long run, by building more settlements and expanding existing ones.[7]
Loss of credibility

Since the start of the al-Aqsa Intifada, the Oslo Accords have been viewed with increasing disfavor by both the Palestinian and Israeli public. In May 2000, seven years after the Oslo Accords and five months before the start of the al-Aqsa Intifada, a survey by the Tami Steinmetz Center for Peace Research at the University of Tel Aviv found that 39% of all Israelis supported the Accords and that 32% believed that the Accords would result in peace in the next few years.[19] By contrast, the May 2004 survey found that 26% of all Israelis supported the Accords and 18% believed that the Accords would result in peace in the next few years.

In December 2010, a report in al-Quds al-Arabi (an independent pan-Arab daily newspaper owned and published by Palestinian expatriates in London since 1989) asserted that the Palestinian Authority no longer regards itself as being bound by the Oslo Accords[citation needed]; however, as of June 2011, the PA has not made any official declaration to that effect.
PS:Reg. Arabs/Palestinians hating Jews,it's all about land.Having existed together peacefully for centuries,carving out their own equations,the advent of European colonialism from Roman times,the Babylonian invasion destruction of the Jewish kingdom and dispersion of the Jews worldwide, to the spread of the Ottoman Empire,then the British "mandate",which led to the divide and rule policies that characterised in particular British colonialism.Post WW2,Palestine,the ancient homeland for both Jews and Arabs, was partitioned just as India was.A homeland for the Jews who suffered horrendously in WW2 at the hands of the Nazis was established angering the Arabs whose land was dispossessed,which led to the age of conflict in the region.I strongly suspect that the Europeans also secretly wished to dump the Jews in a "homeland" out of Europe, in many ways echoing the Nazi philosophy of removing the inferior races from Germany and dumping them in Madagascar (planned earlier) ,then Russia. For centuries in Europe Jews were treated shamefully as second-class or even turd class citizens by the European states.Hitler was only following their example. Anti-Semitism is alive and kicking in Europe even to this day. Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice" has the famous outcry from Shylock thus:

I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands,
organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same
food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases,
heal'd by the same means, warm'd and cool'd by the same winter
and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If
you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die?
And if you wrong us, do we not revenge? If we are like you in the
rest, we will resemble you in that.
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Philip wrote:The issue of survival of the Israeli state is not in question.The danger is that if the Palestinians also wallow in their hatred for Israel and renege on the agreements signed,their cause and agenda will be hikacked by outside entities who have their own selfish interests.
The assumption is that they will not renege on their commitments. Can you specify which one of their commitments they have not reneged on? Arafat himself went to his constituents and told them he was doing what Muhammad did in the Hudaibiyyah peace treaty (i.e., waiting for a chance to crush the enemies by pretending peace and friendship with them). The peace constituency does not exist among the common Palestinians.

http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=71 ... doc_id=486
The famous saying that "a hungry man is an angry man" holds good especially in the M-East. Fundamentally,the Palestinians want a much better life than that of the subsistence existence that they endure. I've said many a time that you cannot have a rich and prosperous Israel on the one hand ,adjacent to a motley collection of impoverished loosely linked desert enclaves, that by the wildest stretch of the imagination does not qualify for the definition and a miserable apology of a "nation state"
The palestinians are already getting the highest per capita aid in the world.

http://www.usip.org/publications/dollar ... n-question

Their economic model is to start a war, take a few hits, parade their casualties, and beg for more aid. They do nothing to build up their own economy. Israel cannot build their economy, and the Palestinians refuse to. For example, when they got the glass greenhouses of the settlers in Gaza, they just destroyed all of them and burnt them down. The way forward for the Palestinians is to accept responsibility for their own actions, and build their economy.
PS:Reg. Arabs/Palestinians hating Jews,it's all about land.Having existed together peacefully for centuries,carving out their own equations,the advent of European colonialism from Roman times,the Babylonian invasion destruction of the Jewish kingdom and dispersion of the Jews worldwide, to the spread of the Ottoman Empire,then the British "mandate",which led to the divide and rule policies that characterised in particular British colonialism.Post WW2,Palestine,the ancient homeland for both Jews and Arabs, was partitioned just as India was.A homeland for the Jews who suffered horrendously in WW2 at the hands of the Nazis was established angering the Arabs whose land was dispossessed,which led to the age of conflict in the region.I strongly suspect that the Europeans also secretly wished to dump the Jews in a "homeland" out of Europe, in many ways echoing the Nazi philosophy of removing the inferior races from Germany and dumping them in Madagascar (planned earlier) ,then Russia. For centuries in Europe Jews were treated shamefully as second-class or even turd class citizens by the European states.Hitler was only following their example. Anti-Semitism is alive and kicking in Europe even to this day. Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice" has the famous outcry from Shylock thus:

I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands,
organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same
food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases,
heal'd by the same means, warm'd and cool'd by the same winter
and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If
you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die?
And if you wrong us, do we not revenge? If we are like you in the
rest, we will resemble you in that.
Christian antisemitism is a terrible fact, but it does not in anyway obviate the Islamic antisemitism. There are thousands of pages worth of atrocities by Muslims on Jews, from before the Zionist movement. The hatred for the Jew in Islam is as old as Islam and Muhammad.
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Lilo wrote:
nageshks wrote:Jew hatred is ingrained in both Christianity and Islam, and does not need much funding to keep it alive..
Nageshks ji,
What i meant is take the case of Pakis - Hindu hatred is ingrained in them - yet that cannot feed them much and things remaining same they would have been wallowing bhooka nanga if not for the support of their 3.5 entities (Massa,SaudiA,China and 0.5 Japan).

So similarly which states are funneling money to Palestine and letting them live in style (without need to work) allowing to keep their rabidity alive for the Jews without need to think much of bread and Couscous issues ?

Few prominent country names is what I want to hear.
I have my guesses - but they are just guesses.
Lilo-ji,
Of the 3.5 that help Pakistan, 2.5 help the Palestinians as well (China does not help them, and the 0.5 I would ascribe to UK, rather than Japan, even in the case of Pakistan). Add to that, most other European nations, and also some of the richer gulf countries throw in baksheesh to the Palestinians. That is what keeps Palestine functional - foreign aid, some directly from 2.5, some from the remainder of Europe, and some routed through the UN schemes.
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nageshks wrote:
Auz wrote:Its ironic sad to see a non-aligned, proud anti-colonial nation to go from writing "This passport is not valid in South Africa and Israel (both apartheid states)" to literally kissing arse of Israelis.
If there are apartheid states in the world, they are the Arab countries. Care to inform us how they treat their minorities? Or are your lectures and principles limited to certain audiences?
wow. Just because I spoke against one human rights violating entity (Israel), does it mean that I support the other one (Saudi Arabia for example)?
What distorted historical narrative? Care to explain to us?


Few examples,

That the land somehow 'belonged' to the Europeans (Jews) because their ancestors lived there 2000 years ago. Or that 'great Israelis' converted desert into blooming agricultural powerhouse (Land was arable, just not being used as a great scale. That isn't 'turning desert green' by hardworkd), or what about the denial of existence of indigenous Palestinian people on that land who were living there for centuries upon centuries? and so on and so forth.

Hint: Israel has given its minorities equal rights.


It doesn't.

Have you ever visited Israel, mate?

Ask Israelis if being "jewish" has any inherent advantages in Israel or not?
What has Palestinian state given to its Christians?
They are a colonized people. Have no state.


Again, it is shameful and sad to see indians justifying colonialism. lol
Even granting that Israel is a continuation of the old European colonial order (which it is not),


Offcouse, and sun is green. :roll:
the Arab-Islamic colonial order gave us infinitely more misery than the European colonial order. Why should we choose the Arab-Islamic order?
Again, what a joke. Who in the hell is asking you to choose a colonial order? I'm arguing for standing against a colonial order..which in this case happens to be Israeli state.
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Auz wrote: wow. Just because I spoke against one human rights violating entity (Israel), does it mean that I support the other one (Saudi Arabia for example)?
Yet you are coming here to demand that we should support your set of human rights violating entity (Palestine) over the infinitely better Israel. Exactly why would we want to support a bunch of genocidal terrorists? Ever heard what the Palestinians keep saying in their Arabic media? Do they have any room for Israel?
Few examples,

That the land somehow 'belonged' to the Europeans (Jews) because their ancestors lived there 2000 years ago.
Exactly where in history do you draw the line? If you want to argue that the present day Jews are colonisers, why are the Arabs any different? They invaded, conquered and colonised what is today's Israel in the 7th to 9th centuries.

Quite apart from that, the Israelis came, until 1949, by buying the land in the region. And quite a few of the Arabs also came during the same time. Why do you want to privilege the Arab settlers over the Jewish ones.
Or that 'great Israelis' converted desert into blooming agricultural powerhouse (Land was arable, just not being used as a great scale. That isn't 'turning desert green' by hardworkd), or what about the denial of existence of indigenous Palestinian people on that land who were living there for centuries upon centuries? and so on and so forth.
Oh yes. The land was always there, but the `indigenous' Palestinians never could quite manage to grow anything much. Taken a look at how much the Israelis have grown since 1949? Why could your wonderful Palestinians never do anything similar? Why can they still not grow anything, but know only how to smash greenhouses left behind by the Israelis in Gaza?
Have you ever visited Israel, mate?
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Ask Israelis if being "jewish" has any inherent advantages in Israel or not?
Yes. Apart from the automatic right of Jews to return, there is no other right. Asked the Arabs of Israel if they want to go to a future Palestine state?
They are a colonized people. Have no state.
Even when they have no state, they control large areas of the West Bank and Gaza, and they are screwing the Palestinian Christians (Arab Christians, of Arab denominations, not converts).

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2838/ ... christians
Again, it is shameful and sad to see indians justifying colonialism. lol
It is disgusting to see someone come here and bat for a bunch of terrorists. And for sheer chutzpah, to come to an Indian nationalist site and lecture Indians about the virtues of supporting a band of terrorists, there are few equals.

Again, what a joke. Who in the hell is asking you to choose a colonial order?
You are. You are asking us to support a bunch of terrorists who subscribe to the same ideology of terrorism and colonialism that brought India infinite misery.
I'm arguing for standing against a colonial order..which in this case happens to be Israeli state.
You are also arguing in favour of a bunch of terrorists, subscribing to a hate filled ideology.
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nageshks wrote:
Yet you are coming here to demand that we should support your set of human rights violating entity (Palestine) over the infinitely better Israel. Exactly why would we want to support a bunch of genocidal terrorists? Ever heard what the Palestinians keep saying in their Arabic media? Do they have any room for Israel?
Palestinians don't even have a state for god's sake! Europeans called your ancestors as "terrorists" too...since they were also wagging 'insurgency' (terrorism) against the British forces.

You deny a people their land, their rights, and their property...and then put them in the largest open-air prison...and when they start an insurgency against all of this, you call them terrorist. lol

No one is justifying violence here..not from Israel nor from Palestinians...but the crux of the problem is "colonization" of Palestine, NOT the insurgency.

Just like in 1857, the crux of the problem weren't indian 'terrorists', but British policy of colonization and exploitation for their personal benefit.

But then again, lowly nations prefer some weapons over principles. :rotfl:
Exactly where in history do you draw the line?


The line is common sense.

You can't just stand up, go a place, replace natives living there for centuries..and say "Hey, my ancestors lived here 10,000 years ago" ... Do you even NEED to see any line here? Are you THAT mentally retarded? It is an OBVIOUS historical distortion to achieve one's colonial project.

If you want to argue that the present day Jews are colonisers, why are the Arabs any different?


Today?

Today, Arabs are NATIVE to that land. If I was living in 7th century, then I would called Arabs as colonizers. Also, majority of Jewish people living in Palestine either converted to Islam or got assimilated.

"Europeans" (jews from Germany, U.K, France etc) had ZERO, ZILCH right on the land of "Middle-East" ...

If indigenous Arab Jews had risen up against the rule..and demanded a separate homeland..that would've been completely different issue. But current state of Israel is nothing more than a continuation of old European order.

They invade d, conquered and colonised what is today's Israel in the 7th to 9th centuries.
I know. Arabs from inner Arabia conquered this Middle-Eastern/Arabic territory in 7th century under Umar I.

You do know that the area of Palestine was ALWAYS "non-European, middle-eastern" land and NOT European in any way? Thats why Romans "invaded" and "conquered" the area..and still the culture remain entirely different from European mainlands under Romans.
Quite apart from that, the Israelis came, until 1949, by buying the land in the region. And quite a few of the Arabs also came during the same time. Why do you want to privilege the Arab settlers over the Jewish ones.
Are you in your senses? Privilege Arab settlers? LOL! It was an ARAB land for heaven's sake. Are ALL indians still THIS brainwashed/brain dead by us Europeans' constructed narrative? :lol: And this forum apparently represents 'educated' class of india.

Also, just b/c you bought a piece of land..it doesn't give you the right to carve out a state. Otherwise, Arab immigrants in U.S would carve out Deaborn, Mexicans will carve out lands from California and Texas and so on.

indians go to work in UAE..suppose UAE gives them right to buy property...indians buy alot of property..does that give indians a right to kick out the natives, and carve out UAE to be an 'hindu-nationalist' state?
Oh yes. The land was always there, but the `indigenous' Palestinians never could quite manage to grow anything much.
How dumb one has to be. :shock:

Growing food on arable land is no miracle. Indigenous Palestinians never grew anything on it? :rotfl: Actually, threw grew food there but not up to current levels..why? b/c they already grew enough food to meet their needs..why would they grow more food? You see, you don't realize that by the time mid-20th century population boom hit the region, Palestinians had already lost their lands..and subsequently, with the population increase, the 'colonizers' start using more Arable land to meet their demands. Very normal thing.

Heck! even today, we in U.S have THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of 'Arable land' that is not being used..b/c we just don't need to. It doesn't mean that we 'can't' grow food here and tomorrow, if say some random power colonize the land and grows food here..they can say "See, we turned the desert green. Those Americans were making no use of this land" ...And even if we were making no use, so what? It is OUR land to begin with.

But then again, it is hard to explain even basic logics to a person from enslaved (mentally) nation where his nation has a history of remaining slave to others and facing humiliation. After such history, the psychology of the humiliated nation starts to identify with the colonizer rather than the colonized. Pitty.
Taken a look at how much the Israelis have grown since 1949?
All European lands have grown, not just Israel.
Why could your wonderful Palestinians never do anything similar?


Are you freaking retard?!

Palestinians DID NOT have a state...and were living under European colonial order throughout 20th century (the century where the growth exploded)...

Israel, being a European land and an extension of European colonialism, prospered b/c it had all the skills and support of advance European world.

"Your" wonderful indians also couldn't do anything 'similar' ...I bet this justifies European colonialism, no?
Ar Why can they still not grow anything, but know only how to smash greenhouses left behind by the Israelis in Gaza?
:rotfl:

Are you THAT dumb or just playin' with me?

So they are under colonial order..they are not allowed to have trade contracts with sovereign nations..israel blocks their sea route..Israel also dominates their airspace..insurgency is happening amongst palestinians due to colonization of Israel..and YET, you ask me "Why can't they grow"? :lol:

What is your age? An honest question..
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Good.

Are you a Christian by any chance?
Yes. Apart from the automatic right of Jews to return, there is no other right.
Since you have lived in Israel, as you claim, I am giving you another chance. Tell me with straight face that Jews and non-jewish Muslim Arab Palestinians have 100% same exact rights in Israel when it comes to jobs, economy, business, networking, politics, housing and so on.


Asked the Arabs of Israel if they want to go to a future Palestine state?
lol, why would they leave their land? Majority of Palestinian Arabs living in Israel are living in that area CENTURIES before many Israelis even thought of Zionism.

Again, why would they leave their homeland?
Even when they have no state, they control large areas of the West Bank and Gaza, and they are screwing the Palestinian Christians (Arab Christians, of Arab denominations, not converts).

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2838/ ... christians
Dude, ever taken any political-science class?

The very fact that Palestinians don't have a state contributes to the problem of social conflict amongst different groups. A "state" by very definition has mechanisms to deal with different social issues, complete institutional frame work to provide justice and economic opportunities and so on.

With the formation of Palestinian state, you can expect these things to improve not deteriorate further..As it has been the case throughout history.

And oh btw, the source you shared is absolutely baloney. Seriously? Such a right-wing, nutty source? Whats next? Pamella Geller as a 'source'? :lol:

Palestinians are STILL treating Christians way better than your master..The Colonial Project of Europe a.k.a Israel

see this

Vatican himself came out and ask Israel to stop fostering hatred for Christians..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... anity.html

Washington Post on mistreatment of Christians by Israel (latest report)

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstt ... treatment/

Heck! even 60 minutes did a report on persecution of Christians in Israel...

And that is just 'christians'...

The colonial project doesn't even spare their OWN jews if they are black..colonialists are always racist, eh. You'll know..cuz you serve them well

Israel Forcibly Injected African Immigrants with Birth Control

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutse ... h-control/

lol, you want more? Not to mention, Israel has broken THE most number of U.N resolutions and is the biggest violator of U.N laws/procedures.
It is disgusting to see someone come here and bat for a bunch of terrorists. And for sheer chutzpah, to come to an Indian nationalist site and lecture Indians about the virtues of supporting a band of terrorists, there are few equals.
Again, what is your age?

Stop this childish rhetoric of equating anti-colonial support to support for the violent insurgency waged by a very minute minority of the oppressed colonized people. I support the right of Palestinian peoples to live as a sovereign, independent, free peoples. Just like I would have supported indians' right to live as a free peoples in 1857, when they were wagging "terrorism" against the British colonial project.

Again, shame on you for doing this oldest trick in the box where when you speak up for the oppressed/colonized people, you are told "Omg, so you support terrorist and uncivilized savages?"...This trick was invented and used by Europeans against indian 'terrorists' (your ancestors who fought against British)...A low life like you is justifying Israel's colonization by using this same crap? :lol:


You are also arguing in favour of a bunch of terrorists, subscribing to a hate filled ideology.
How come you did masters? You are such childish that even your rhetorical 'tricks' aren't worth responding to.
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Auz,

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Hope its not OT,
Simple, fair solution is Jewish land should go to Jews, Arab land to arabs and Indian land to Indian. Let there be Jewish state, Arab State and removal of Pakistani from Indian land.
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Auz wrote: Are you in your senses? Privilege Arab settlers? LOL! It was an ARAB land for heaven's sake. Are ALL indians still THIS brainwashed/brain dead by us Europeans' constructed narrative? :lol: And this forum apparently represents 'educated' class of india.
Folks - what did I tell you about Europe and Jews? Does this rant prove my point or not? For the record, I am not a Christian, nor a Jew. The very fact that he is fixated on European Jews should tell you much about his inclinations. He completely forgot that roughly half of Israel is of middle eastern and north African ancestry (Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews). But then - someone drunk on Israel hatred is not going to let a few trivial facts get in the way.

As for the Arab settlers, do a small demographics check from the time of the pre-British mandate and then check the number of Arabs in 1948. You will see what I mean.
How come you did masters? You are such childish that even your rhetorical 'tricks' aren't worth responding to.
Are you from Eastern Europe, or the Scandinavian countries, by any chance?
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Okay, folks - I did a thorough research on the supposed sterilisation of the Ethiopian Jews. Here is the link reported by Auz.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutse ... h-control/

Our friend Auz had this to say
The colonial project doesn't even spare their OWN jews if they are black..colonialists are always racist, eh. You'll know..cuz you serve them well

Israel Forcibly Injected African Immigrants with Birth Control
Okay, the Forbes article is based on this Haaretz article

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/is ... m-1.496519

The critical paragraph says
A government official has for the first time acknowledged the practice of injecting women of Ethiopian origin with the contraceptive Depo-Provera.

Health Ministry Director General Prof. Ron Gamzu has instructed the four health maintenance organizations to stop the practice as a matter of course.

The ministry and other state agencies had previously denied knowledge or responsibility for the practice, which was first reported five years ago.

Gamzu’s letter instructs all gynecologists in the HMOs "not to renew prescriptions for Depo-Provera for women of Ethiopian origin if for any reason there is concern that they might not understand the ramifications of the treatment.”

He also instructed physicians to avail themselves of translators if need be.

Gamzu’s letter came in response to a letter from Sharona Eliahu-Chai of the Association of Civil Rights in Israel, representing several women’s rights and Ethiopian immigrants’ groups. The letter demanded the injections cease immediately and that an investigation be launched into the practice.

About six weeks ago, on an Educational Television program journalist Gal Gabbay revealed the results of interviews with 35 Ethiopian immigrants. The women’s testimony could help explain the almost 50-percent decline over the past 10 years in the birth rate of Israel’s Ethiopian community. According to the program, while the women were still in transit camps in Ethiopia they were sometimes intimidated or threatened into taking the injection. “They told us they are inoculations,” said one of the women interviewed. “They told us people who frequently give birth suffer. We took it every three months. We said we didn’t want to.”
First, some facts. Depo-Provera has been around, easily available to those that want it, for more than 30 years now. Yet, it is never a very popular form of contraception. Only some 5% or so of the women prefer it, according to statistics. Also, the drug works for 3 months or so, so it is very far from being any sterilisation program.

The Haaretz article itself is based on a TV investigation program called Vacuum. A total of 35 women were interviewed by Sebba Reuven, and the most emphatic statement coming from one of the people interviewed says this.
"We said we won't have the shot. They told us, if you don't you won't go to Israel And also you won't be allowed into the Joint (American Joint Distribution Committee) office, you won't get aid or medical care. We were afraid... We didn't have a choice. Without them and their aid we couldn't leave there. So we accepted the injection. It was only with their permission that we were allowed to leave," recounted Emawayish, who immigrated from Ethiopia eight years ago.
This is one side of the story. The other side of the story has been followed by the Elder Of Ziyon website,
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.ca/2013/01 ... pwszMRDuX9

The other side comes from the group called `The Joint' which conducts all these counselling and health sessions for the immigrants.
The Joint said in a response to "Vacuum" that its family planning workshops are among the services it provides to immigrants, who learn about spacing out their children's birth, "but we do not advise them to have small families. It is a matter of personal choice, but we tell them it is possible. The claims by the women according to which 'refusal to have the injection will bar them from medical care [and] economic aid and threaten their chances to immigrate to Israel are nonsense. The medical team does not intervene directly or indirectly in economic aid and the Joint is not involved in the aliyah procedures. With regard to the use of Depo Provera, studies indicate that is the most popular form of birth control among women in Ethiopia," the Joint said.
The Health Ministry also denied advocating or promoting any contraceptives among the Ethiopian Jews.
it did not "recommend or try to encourage the use of Depo Provera, and that if these injections were used it was against our position. The Health Ministry provides individual family counseling in the framework of its well baby clinics and this advice is also provided by the physicians of the health maintenance organizations."
Finally, the Jewish Agency that has been running the immigration also denied this.
said in response that it takes a harsh view of any effort to interfere in the family planning processes of Ethiopian immigrants, adding that "while the JA has never held family planning workshops for this group in Ethiopia or at immigrant absorption centers in Israel, the immigrant transit camp in Gondar, as the investigation noted, was previously operated by other agencies."
Finally, in an interview with the head of the clinic where the women are supposed to have been administered the drug, he also denied any wrong doing.
JDC runs the medical program in Gondar for potential immigrants to Israel. As part of this, we offer voluntary contraception to our population. Our clinic offers both birth control pills and injectable contraception. If a woman prefers another method of contraception such as implantable or tubal ligation, we send them to facilities down the road in the city of Gondar for this.

Women come to the program because they desire family planning. We present the various options to them and they choose. So women both choose to use contraception and choose their method. And choose when to discontinue contraception. It has always been that way in our program.

Right now we’re caring for about 4500 potential immigrants to Israel. We average about 85 family planning visits each month.

We do not inform the Israeli authorities who is on family planning, and I have no idea what happens once they arrive in Israel.

Regarding the rate of 30% reported some years ago, we offered family planning to the population at a time when it was less available to the general public, and our population chose to use it.

At present, the rate of modern contraceptive use in Amhara Region is 33% indicating a significant demand, as contraceptive services have become more available to the public. Even now, there is an unmet demand for contraceptive services in this region of over 20%. To give you an idea of the rise in this service, in 2005, 15.7% used modern contraception in Amhara region.

Injectable contraceptives are the most desired throughout the country. They are easy, culturally preferred, and offer the ability to be on birth control without a woman informing her husband, which is an issue here.

I appreciate the chance to set this record straight.

Best wishes,

Rick Hodes, MD, MACP
Medical Director, AJJDC-Ethiopia
If there is a program to sterilise African Jews, we have to begin by believing that three separate organisations on two different continents are all lying. Also, if there is a record of African Jews being sterilised, there should be a paper trail, a track of who ordered the injections, a record being maintained of who is being kept on contraceptives, and orders about what contraceptives are to be used, etc. There seems to be nothing of the sort.

In an interview with an investigator, the doctor Hodes had this to say.
Investigator: "So to be clear, you're saying that you personally never told any woman that she would have to take Depo-Provera shots in order to immigrate to Israel? The women claim that JDC workers from Israel told them they had to do it. Is that claim to the best of your knowledge false?"

Dr. Hodes: To the best of my knowledge, this claim is 100% false.

Neither myself nor my staff have ever told any women in our program that they should take Depo-Provera for any reason. 100% of Depo-Provera shots are purely voluntary, and may be discontinued (or changed to another method) at any time.

In fact, we don't have JDC workers from Israel come and tell women these things.
However, it leaves us with the question why Ethiopians are taking the Depo-Provera. Here is an article from the University of Toronto that claims to have done a bit of research on the subject.

https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bits ... h05036.pdf

This is an important paragraph in that article.
Because contraceptives may introduce social discord, leading at times to intimate partners’ violence amongst African couples, women of low bargaining powers often resort to family planning methods that are suitable to covert use.

Women can take injections of Depo-Provera while visiting a health facility and remain protected against unwanted pregnancies for three months. This may be done without their husband’s knowledge and without the bother of having to remember to take the pill or to undergo clinical procedures that are involved when opting for implants or intrauterine devices. Consequently, a general pattern that has been observed in the contraceptive method mix in sub-Saharan Africa and elsewhere in the developing world is the predominance of injectables.
Of course, for people like Auz, none of this will be convincing. They prefer to wallow in the hatred of Israel. But for the rest of us, who are not so indoctrinated in the left liberal hatred of Israel, this should be sufficient. It is up to us to make up our own minds about Israel's culpability in the forced contraceptives program.
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JE Menon wrote:Auz,

Personal attacks are not permitted. This is a warning.

@nageshks - you are advised to keep your cool while responding.
JEM saar,
If you see anything objectionable in my post/s, please let me know and I will edit out the objectionable parts. Or you can do so yourself, if you so prefer.
TIA.
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Nageshks... no, it was a pre-emptive note just in case you bit the personal attack baits dropped by Auz. I note you have not, and therefore apologise for my presumption (borne of experience, but in this case unnecessary).
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JE Menon wrote:Nageshks... no, it was a pre-emptive note just in case you bit the personal attack baits dropped by Auz. I note you have not, and therefore apologise for my presumption (borne of experience, but in this case unnecessary).
Thanks, JEM-ji. Happy to know I am not being offensive.
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