nageshks wrote:
Yet you are coming here to demand that we should support your set of human rights violating entity (Palestine) over the infinitely better Israel. Exactly why would we want to support a bunch of genocidal terrorists? Ever heard what the Palestinians keep saying in their Arabic media? Do they have any room for Israel?
Palestinians don't even have a state for god's sake! Europeans called your ancestors as "terrorists" too...since they were also wagging 'insurgency' (terrorism) against the British forces.
You deny a people their land, their rights, and their property...and then put them in the largest open-air prison...and when they start an insurgency against all of this, you call them terrorist. lol
No one is justifying violence here..not from Israel nor from Palestinians...but the crux of the problem is "colonization" of Palestine, NOT the insurgency.
Just like in 1857, the crux of the problem weren't indian 'terrorists', but British policy of colonization and exploitation for their personal benefit.
But then again, lowly nations prefer some weapons over principles.
Exactly where in history do you draw the line?
The line is common sense.
You can't just stand up, go a place, replace natives living there for centuries..and say "Hey, my ancestors lived here 10,000 years ago" ... Do you even NEED to see any line here? Are you THAT mentally retarded? It is an OBVIOUS historical distortion to achieve one's colonial project.
If you want to argue that the present day Jews are colonisers, why are the Arabs any different?
Today?
Today, Arabs are NATIVE to that land. If I was living in 7th century, then I would called Arabs as colonizers. Also, majority of Jewish people living in Palestine either converted to Islam or got assimilated.
"Europeans" (jews from Germany, U.K, France etc) had ZERO, ZILCH right on the land of "Middle-East" ...
If indigenous Arab Jews had risen up against the rule..and demanded a separate homeland..that would've been completely different issue. But current state of Israel is nothing more than a continuation of old European order.
They invade d, conquered and colonised what is today's Israel in the 7th to 9th centuries.
I know. Arabs from inner Arabia conquered this Middle-Eastern/Arabic territory in 7th century under Umar I.
You do know that the area of Palestine was ALWAYS "non-European, middle-eastern" land and NOT European in any way? Thats why Romans "invaded" and "conquered" the area..and still the culture remain entirely different from European mainlands under Romans.
Quite apart from that, the Israelis came, until 1949, by buying the land in the region. And quite a few of the Arabs also came during the same time. Why do you want to privilege the Arab settlers over the Jewish ones.
Are you in your senses? Privilege Arab settlers? LOL! It was an ARAB land for heaven's sake. Are ALL indians still THIS brainwashed/brain dead by us Europeans' constructed narrative?

And this forum apparently represents 'educated' class of india.
Also, just b/c you bought a piece of land..it doesn't give you the right to carve out a state. Otherwise, Arab immigrants in U.S would carve out Deaborn, Mexicans will carve out lands from California and Texas and so on.
indians go to work in UAE..suppose UAE gives them right to buy property...indians buy alot of property..does that give indians a right to kick out the natives, and carve out UAE to be an 'hindu-nationalist' state?
Oh yes. The land was always there, but the `indigenous' Palestinians never could quite manage to grow anything much.
How dumb one has to be.
Growing food on arable land is no miracle. Indigenous Palestinians never grew anything on it?

Actually, threw grew food there but not up to current levels..why? b/c they already grew enough food to meet their needs..why would they grow more food? You see, you don't realize that by the time mid-20th century population boom hit the region, Palestinians had already lost their lands..and subsequently, with the population increase, the 'colonizers' start using more Arable land to meet their demands. Very normal thing.
Heck! even today, we in U.S have THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of 'Arable land' that is not being used..b/c we just don't need to. It doesn't mean that we 'can't' grow food here and tomorrow, if say some random power colonize the land and grows food here..they can say "See, we turned the desert green. Those Americans were making no use of this land" ...And even if we were making no use, so what? It is OUR land to begin with.
But then again, it is hard to explain even basic logics to a person from enslaved (mentally) nation where his nation has a history of remaining slave to others and facing humiliation. After such history, the psychology of the humiliated nation starts to identify with the colonizer rather than the colonized. Pitty.
Taken a look at how much the Israelis have grown since 1949?
All European lands have grown, not just Israel.
Why could your wonderful Palestinians never do anything similar?
Are you freaking retard?!
Palestinians DID NOT have a state...and were living under European colonial order throughout 20th century (the century where the growth exploded)...
Israel, being a European land and an extension of European colonialism, prospered b/c it had all the skills and support of advance European world.
"Your" wonderful indians also couldn't do anything 'similar' ...I bet this justifies European colonialism, no?
Ar Why can they still not grow anything, but know only how to smash greenhouses left behind by the Israelis in Gaza?
Are you THAT dumb or just playin' with me?
So they are under colonial order..they are not allowed to have trade contracts with sovereign nations..israel blocks their sea route..Israel also dominates their airspace..insurgency is happening amongst palestinians due to colonization of Israel..and YET, you ask me "Why can't they grow"?
What is your age? An honest question..
.אני יכול לדבר בעברית טוב. סיימתי התואר השני שלי ב מכון טכנולוגי לישׂראל
Good.
Are you a Christian by any chance?
Yes. Apart from the automatic right of Jews to return, there is no other right.
Since you have lived in Israel, as you claim, I am giving you another chance. Tell me with straight face that Jews and non-jewish Muslim Arab Palestinians have 100% same exact rights in Israel when it comes to jobs, economy, business, networking, politics, housing and so on.
Asked the Arabs of Israel if they want to go to a future Palestine state?
lol, why would they leave
their land? Majority of Palestinian Arabs living in Israel are living in that area CENTURIES before many Israelis even thought of Zionism.
Again, why would they leave their homeland?
Dude, ever taken any political-science class?
The very fact that Palestinians don't have a state contributes to the problem of social conflict amongst different groups. A "state" by very definition has mechanisms to deal with different social issues, complete institutional frame work to provide justice and economic opportunities and so on.
With the formation of Palestinian state, you can expect these things to improve not deteriorate further..As it has been the case throughout history.
And oh btw, the source you shared is absolutely baloney. Seriously? Such a right-wing, nutty source? Whats next? Pamella Geller as a 'source'?
Palestinians are STILL treating Christians way better than your master..The Colonial Project of Europe a.k.a Israel
see this
Vatican himself came out and ask Israel to stop fostering hatred for Christians..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... anity.html
Washington Post on mistreatment of Christians by Israel (latest report)
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstt ... treatment/
Heck! even 60 minutes did a report on persecution of Christians in Israel...
And that is just 'christians'...
The colonial project doesn't even spare their OWN jews if they are black..colonialists are always racist, eh. You'll know..cuz you serve them well
Israel Forcibly Injected African Immigrants with Birth Control
http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutse ... h-control/
lol, you want more? Not to mention, Israel has broken THE most number of U.N resolutions and is the biggest violator of U.N laws/procedures.
It is disgusting to see someone come here and bat for a bunch of terrorists. And for sheer chutzpah, to come to an Indian nationalist site and lecture Indians about the virtues of supporting a band of terrorists, there are few equals.
Again, what is your age?
Stop this childish rhetoric of equating anti-colonial support to support for the violent insurgency waged by a very minute minority of the oppressed colonized people. I support the right of Palestinian peoples to live as a sovereign, independent, free peoples. Just like I would have supported indians' right to live as a free peoples in 1857, when they were wagging "terrorism" against the British colonial project.
Again, shame on you for doing this oldest trick in the box where when you speak up for the oppressed/colonized people, you are told "Omg, so you support terrorist and uncivilized savages?"...This trick was invented and used by Europeans against indian 'terrorists' (your ancestors who fought against British)...A low life like you is justifying Israel's colonization by using this same crap?
You are also arguing in favour of a bunch of terrorists, subscribing to a hate filled ideology.
How come you did masters? You are such childish that even your rhetorical 'tricks' aren't worth responding to.