AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Vamsi.R · Post by **Vamsi.R** » 02 Dec 2013 20:49

kamalnath gave contradicting statements in 2-3 days time

1st he said T-bill in this session is impossible
now he says T-bill might presented in this session.

will KCR agree for RayalaTelangana that is the big question.. iam expecting he will come out soon and will say we want only Telangana

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 02 Dec 2013 22:10

Vamsi.R wrote:kamalnath gave contradicting statements in 2-3 days time

1st he said T-bill in this session is impossible
now he says T-bill might presented in this session.

will KCR agree for RayalaTelangana that is the big question.. iam expecting he will come out soon and will say we want only Telangana

After Congress announcement no other proposal is from congress or government officially.
Rayala telangana, UT, etc are all leaks.

only official thing next is bill. RT or not if non-T opposes bill, it has to be passed in parliament by politics and against wishes of people.

state can take 1-3 months for bill discussion so it is impossible in winter session unless CM compromises.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 02 Dec 2013 23:36

if Rayala Telangana happens, which group will be most severely shafted? it's the same group which threw up the "anna" in the 2000's.

if they get shafted, who benefits? both the Khaps and Kammas in SA will be more powerful, in terms of numbers and collective power than R's.

if RT is being seriously contemplated, the only motive for it is to take the R's down a few notches. INC in AP was always known as the Reddy-Congress. rise of YSR. belligerence of YSJ. and now KKR's rebellion all seem to have painted an inimical picture of R's to Rajmata.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Dec 2013 23:45

^^^^
A non-Reddy dominant politics is being pulled through via RT. But RT will be hugely Reddy dominant.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Dec 2013 23:47

Guys don't mind lekin but the discourse is turning castiest and people are getting away with it while whining.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 03 Dec 2013 06:09

Vamsi.R wrote:kamalnath gave contradicting statements in 2-3 days time

1st he said T-bill in this session is impossible
now he says T-bill might presented in this session.

will KCR agree for RayalaTelangana that is the big question.. iam expecting he will come out soon and will say we want only Telangana

If blackmailed properly, everyone will agree to whatever they are asked to agree.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 03 Dec 2013 07:47

Will mafia be in a position to blackmail after December 8 results? Kcr thinks that he is good for 12 to 15 seats in T area. Mafia needs him badly after 2014. Even if he is jailed now he will not lose anything. So blackmail at this late hour is difficult.

Mafia can not lose the idea of victory in 2014. If that happens then it can not control many of it's b teams. December 8 result may be very bad and after that public may start thinking mafia is just waiting to lose power. Lame duck mafia queen with her baba needs lot of pull to stop the momentum. Perception counts a lot. If people strongly believe mafia is losing then the will not bother to vote for it.

We are slowly reaching that stage.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 03 Dec 2013 10:36

Andhra Government promotes Christian culture officially ?

Imagine the hue and cry if Narendra Modi talks the H word- the whole nation will debate his majoritarian communalism. If BJP promotes Sanskrit or Yoga, it is also communalism. But accidentally I saw a website maintained by Andhra Pradesh Government which is named christianminorities.ap.nic.in. We have minority ministry for centre and state, but never knew in Andhra Pradesh there is a special status for Christians. Contents of the site would prove the status enjoyed by Christian minority in Andhra.

The following welcome note can be read in the website itself.

The Andhra Pradesh State Christian (Minorities) Finance Corporation has been formed in November 2008. The main objective of the corporation is to assist the Christians community for their socio-economic development in collaboration with Banks and other Development Agencies. The Source of funding for the corporate is from Government of Andhra Pradesh.

Three conclusions can be reached easily from above note

Congress Government under YSR started it in 2008. In April 2009 assembly elections were held. This corporation was set up to woo Christian vote bank.
Main objective of the corporation is to assist the Christian community. Not even minority community, Christian community need a special assistance?
The funding of this corporate is by Government of Andhra Pradesh. Public money for blatantly communal corporation?
As we move on we can read about the schemes by this corporation, they are

Christian Mass Marriages
Pre Matric Scholarships (Government of AP)
Post Matric Scholarships (Government of AP)
Tuition Fee Reimbursement (Government of AP)
Pre Matric Scholarships (Government of India)
Post Matric Scholarships (Government of India)
Merit-Cum-Means Scholarships (Government of India)
Training, Employment and Placement
Free Coaching for Competitive Examinations
Subsidy for Bank Linked Income Generation Schemes
Christian pilgrimage to Jerusalem ( Stopped due to High Court Stay Order)
Financial Assistance for Construction/ Renovation/ Repairs to Churches (Stopped due to High Court Stay Order)
Financial Assistance to Christian Hospitals, School Buildings, Orphanages, Old Age Homes, Community Halls-cum-Youth and Resource Centers; and for Youth Awareness Programmes and promotion of Christian Culture.
Those in un- bolded letters are quite common to see in most of the states. But I am yet to see Christian only scholarships in any other states. But the “schemes” above in bolded letters needs quite elaboration.

Till 2009, Andhra Goyt used to give subsidy to Christian pilgrimage to Jerusalem. In July 2009, The HC stayed the state funding of subsidy. It seems that the court has vacated the stay, but the website says it has been stopped.

It is worth noting that the Andhra Government has a financial assistance scheme, which is perhaps still continuing, to promote Christian culture. Why should any Government which vow on secularism promote Christian culture with state funds? Does not it tantamount to saying that Christianity is state religion of Andhra? What if BJP says it would promote Hindu culture?

There is another scheme to felicitate eminent Christians in Andhra? A Secular Government felicitating eminent personalities of a particular religion only? Following is the notification of that scheme

A P State Christian (Minorities) Finance Corporation, Minorities Welfare Department, Government of AP solicits nominations from Heads of Churches, Christian Institutions, Community Leaders etc., for felicitating eminent Christians who have excelled in different fields of life and rendered exemplary services for the last 10 years in secular areas like 1) Social Work (2) Education (3) Literature (4) Medicine (5) Fine Arts/Theatre at the time of Christmas High Tea Programme hosted by the Government of AP through General Administration Department during December 2013. Those selected will be felicitated with a cash award of Rs.10,000/- along with a plaque in recognition of their services.

The majority-minority concept in India itself is a flawed one. Minority protection presupposes a strong, proselyting and united majority. But in India Hindus are not a united majority, instead they are divided into groups and subgroups. Here the majority community is a collection of thousands of minority groups who are less in number than Muslims and Christians. Hinduism is not a proselyting religion which propagate that other religions are false.

The above schemes are perfect examples of how blatantly communal and discriminatory schemes which are unconstitutional are introduced in the name of secularism. Secularism nowadays, is even a defence to rape for some eminent journalist accused of rape. It is quite sad to see Congress party, which is vocal on “secularism” is engaging in raping the constitution of India.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 03 Dec 2013 23:11

Folks, I think Dasari-ji was dead on target when he said that the Congress MPs and MLAs will eventually fall in line. Kishore Chandra Deo (MP from Araku) wants Vishakhapatnam as capital, while Kotla Jaya Surya Prakash Reddy wants Kurnool as capital. I am surprised that Kishore Chandra Deo is not asking for Bhadrachalam as capital.

http://andhrabuzz.com/?p=27426

As of now, six SeemaAndhra Lok Sabha MPs (Killi Krupa Rani (SriKakulam), Botsa Jhansi Lakshmi (Vizianagaram), Kishore Chandra Deo (Araku), Panabaka Lakshmi (Bapatla), Chinta Mohan (Tirupati) and Kotla Jaya Surya Prakash Reddy (Kurnool) have all fallen in line with the Congress high command officially. That leaves 13 possible rebels in Lok Sabha (but given the subservient nature of the Congressmen, I suspect that more will fall in line). SeemaAndhra cause seems doomed, both in the Assembly and is completely dependent on the BJP's ability to harness opposition in Parliament (which, when all is said and done, is very doubtful, since Mafia still has the CBI at its disposal).

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 04 Dec 2013 01:54

I still believe it is artcile 371-d that will save united AP. Even if it doesn't save, it can force division based on rational logic and consensus. I don't know what they are smoking when they decide to call the bill as Andhrapradesh and Telangana reorganization bill. Apparently they believe that in doing so, they can circumvent the 371-d amendment as it deals with Andhra Pradesh. This is rediculous. The spirit of article 371-d is clearly broken, and it has to be either repealed or re-endorsed. Will SC simply ignore the spirit of the law? Very interesting. May be they are confident that they can intimidate SC (if they can initimidate Huffington post, they can do anything) and the case be squashed.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Dec 2013 02:34

Meanwhile India Today Reprots

KCR rejects Rayala Telangana

The writer uses language that shows his bias.
Someone should remind India Today to keep editorial opinion to editorial pages.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 04 Dec 2013 02:56

Ramana, India Today has done a very sharp U-turn. From being tentatively neutral on Modi upto about July-August this year, they have now become (both in their print and in their Headlines Today network TV avatars) savagely anti-BJP, anti-NDA, and pro-INC.

I can almost pinpoint the moment of U-turn: after the Muzaffarnagar riots, for which we all know who was responsible, India Today ran an issue with a cover image of an armed mob (no clear religious affiliation)-- at the very front of the mob they *Photoshopped* an image of a young man waving a "trishul". The slander began at that moment and continues today. A favourite strategy in the weeks leading up to Delhi election is to bash both Congress and BJP, pretending "neutrality", on the Headlines Today network. The intended effect of this is to distance the middle class from BJP (Congress has given up on the middle class anyway in its electoral strategy), and thereby strengthen the hand of Congress' proxy AAP, which competes with the BJP for middle-class votes.

It would be interesting to dig into what behind-the-scenes events at IT/HT group may underlie the transformation from near-genuine neutrality to overt Congress partisanship.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Dec 2013 05:20

New Twist:

PM promises Telangana but not part of LS agenda

PM promises Telangana, but Bill not part of LS agenda yet
Speaker holds all-party meet
Winter session starts tomorrow
Tribune News Service

New Delhi, December 3
With the winter session just two days away, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh today reiterated his government’s commitment to the formation of Telangana. He, however, didn’t specify whether the government would table the Bill in the current session beginning December 5.

“We are committed to the formation of Telangana and it will be our effort to make full use of due process of law to ensure that the new state does come about,” said Manmohan Singh.

The PM’s remarks came after Lok Sabha Speaker Meira Kumar held an all-party meeting with leaders to know what they wanted to discuss. The Tribune has learnt that the Telangana issue is not yet part of the agenda circulated to Union Ministers for the December 5 Cabinet meeting. A senior minister told The Tribune: “Telangana is not on the Cabinet agenda yet."

The government is working hard to cement the differences among the Cabinet Ministers from Andhra who are at loggerheads over the status of Hyderabad and whether the four districts of Rayalaseema should be merged with the proposed Telangana state or not. Tribal Affairs Minister KC Deo is opposed to the common capital status for Hyderabad unlike HRD Minister Pallam Raju who is okay with the joint capital idea.

At the meeting, parties said they would support the formation of Telangana while the government said the modalities were being expedited to enable a Cabinet approval for the Telangana Bill followed by a Presidential assent.

The government has listed four Constitutional Amendment Bills for passage this session. These include the Bill to reserve 33% seats for women in Parliament and state Legislatures which the Rajya Sabha had passed way back on March 9, 2008.

Also on the list is the Constitution 117th Amendment Bill 2012 to give SCs and STs quota in promotions and the Constitution 120th Amendment Bill 2013 to scrap the collegium system of judges’ appointment. UPA ally SP has, however, clarified that it would disrupt the LS if the women’s Bill and the SC/ST quota Bill are tabled.

Importantly, all parties led by the BJP pressed for extension of the session. The Left wants a discussion on inflation and will seek adjournment of the Question Hour on Day one. The BJP wants to debate sexual harassment of women at workplace in the light of the Tarun Tejpal case and internal security following blasts at BJP’s PM candidate Narendra Modi’s Patna rally.

NC’s SD Shariq --- in a clear jibe at Modi --- said with polls round the corner, it has become fashionable to demand abrogation of Article 370 (for special status to J&K). The NC will oppose any move by the BJP to debate the Article.

The government has listed 23 Bills for passage in the LS and five Bills for introduction, including the 119th Constitutional Amendment Bill to implement Indo-Bangladesh Land Boundary Agreement 1974 and the HIV/AIDS Bill.

Will govt table the Bill this session?

While the PM on Tuesday said his government was committed to the formation of Telangana, he didn’t specify whether the Bill would be tabled in the winter session beginning December 5
The Telangana issue is not yet part of the agenda circulated to Union Ministers for the December 5 Cabinet meeting, said sources
The government is grappling with the rift among the Cabinet Ministers from Andhra who are divided on the status of Hyderabad

This is a lameduck minority govt yet it proposes Constitution Amendment bills left and right!!!!

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 04 Dec 2013 15:21

Rudradev wrote:Ramana, India Today has done a very sharp U-turn. From being tentatively neutral on Modi upto about July-August this year, they have now become (both in their print and in their Headlines Today network TV avatars) savagely anti-BJP, anti-NDA, and pro-INC.

I can almost pinpoint the moment of U-turn: after the Muzaffarnagar riots, for which we all know who was responsible, India Today ran an issue with a cover image of an armed mob (no clear religious affiliation)-- at the very front of the mob they *Photoshopped* an image of a young man waving a "trishul". The slander began at that moment and continues today. A favourite strategy in the weeks leading up to Delhi election is to bash both Congress and BJP, pretending "neutrality", on the Headlines Today network. The intended effect of this is to distance the middle class from BJP (Congress has given up on the middle class anyway in its electoral strategy), and thereby strengthen the hand of Congress' proxy AAP, which competes with the BJP for middle-class votes.

It would be interesting to dig into what behind-the-scenes events at IT/HT group may underlie the transformation from near-genuine neutrality to overt Congress partisanship.

IT always swings like a pendulum between overt pro-INC tilt to neutrality. Maybe Arun Poorie's dislike of the BJP increased after his daughter married a white guy.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Dec 2013 21:05

devesh wrote:if Rayala Telangana happens, which group will be most severely shafted?

This entire proposal of RT is a real cruel conspiracy especially if you think of HYD as 10 year common capital without revenue of HYD sharing. All the rich developed districts and big city is not part of a state called RT. I am not even sure if this will have any chance of support from any side.

Supratik wrote: IT always swings like a pendulum between overt pro-INC tilt to neutrality. Maybe Arun Poorie's dislike of the BJP increased after his daughter married a white guy.

Arun Poorie is a dynast at heart but a good biz person in practice. He is one of the classmates of Late Rajiv Gandhi. Just like Tehelka, it also has same pulls to bring in all top world's celebrities in its conventions (same that Think fest type stuff Tehelka tried). He cannot do with active help from establishment. Hence he changed his pendulum when forced.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 05 Dec 2013 04:11

The most disturbing piece of rumors floating is that after parliament approves the bill, the cabinet can make last minute changes without going to get full approval from parliament again. This is the most absurd thing I ever heard. The rumors range anywhere from conversion of Hyderabad to UT at the last minute to reduce the scope of Hyderabad joint capital to a smaller area.

If this is how Congress is planning to do, then RT can be a ploy to get approval in assembly only to be changed later at the cabinet's descretion. At this point nobody can predict what mafia is going to do.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Dec 2013 05:47

Dasari, It reminds me of the Radcliffe commission that divided Punjab as the British thought fit. It had no rhyme or reason and created the refugee mess and depopulated West Punjab of its Hindus.

Seeing how they want to slice and dice AP I now wonder about YSR's helicopter accident.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Dec 2013 07:11

If BJP has a chance to form the next govt they might be tempted to stall the Ginsu operation on AP

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 05 Dec 2013 08:35

Looks like it is Rayala-Telangana that is going to be tabled.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 866133.cms

Is it the Congress plan to let the bill be scuttled, and then retrieve the fortunes of the party in both Telangana and SeemaAndhra? As in - go to Telangana and blame BJP and TRS for scuttling Telangana, and go to SeemaAndhra and say that we deliberately scuttled the plan to preserve the SeemaAndhra interests? Do they have enough credibility to pull it off?

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 05 Dec 2013 09:00

nageshks wrote:Looks like it is Rayala-Telangana that is going to be tabled.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 866133.cms

Is it the Congress plan to let the bill be scuttled, and then retrieve the fortunes of the party in both Telangana and SeemaAndhra? As in - go to Telangana and blame BJP and TRS for scuttling Telangana, and go to SeemaAndhra and say that we deliberately scuttled the plan to preserve the SeemaAndhra interests? Do they have enough credibility to pull it off?

It is too late for any gimmicks. If they don't give T now, Congress will lose both sides.They tarnished their credibility in SA beyond repair. For 2014 elections their cause in SA is lost unless they have secret understanding with Jagan whose credibility is going up everyday.

I strongly suspect that RT is a ploy to get assembly approval and then amend the bill without R using BJP's opposition as an excuse.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 05 Dec 2013 09:09

Dasari wrote:
nageshks wrote:Looks like it is Rayala-Telangana that is going to be tabled.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 866133.cms

Is it the Congress plan to let the bill be scuttled, and then retrieve the fortunes of the party in both Telangana and SeemaAndhra? As in - go to Telangana and blame BJP and TRS for scuttling Telangana, and go to SeemaAndhra and say that we deliberately scuttled the plan to preserve the SeemaAndhra interests? Do they have enough credibility to pull it off?
It is too late for any gimmicks. If they don't give T now, Congress will lose both sides.They tarnished their credibility in SA beyond repair. For 2014 elections their cause in SA is lost unless they have secret understanding with Jagan whose credibility is going up everyday.

I strongly suspect that RT is a ploy to get assembly approval and then amend the bill without R using BJP's opposition as an excuse.

Thanks for the clarification, Dasari-ji. But to get to the next point - what happens to the TRS if Telangana is not formed now? Will they have enough credibility for another election? Or will they lose credibility too - since they have been fighting for 10+ years now, with nothing to show for it except a bunch of vandalism and hooliganism incidents, and poisoning the relationship with SeemaAndhra?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Dec 2013 09:10

Rayala Telangana for whom? There is no request for it. There are only two requests from people either to create Telangana or keep status quo. This is a ploy for something else. May be they will first propose this to divide some folks with a hope to get is passed in AP assemble (very doubtful). May be they are running this idea so that Sushma types from BJP will have room to criticize the UPA government and later as a concession they reduce it to just Telangana. This way BJP will have something to oppose and get concessions and also get it passed.

Congress party in AP will be sure shot 0/42 if they do anything other Nizam Telangana as separate state.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Dec 2013 09:11

In this election, irrespective of new state formation TRS will win decently.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 05 Dec 2013 10:02

nageshks wrote: ...what happens to the TRS if Telangana is not formed now? Will they have enough credibility for another election? Or will they lose credibility too - since they have been fighting for 10+ years now, with nothing to show for it except a bunch of vandalism and hooliganism incidents, and poisoning the relationship with SeemaAndhra?

Nagesh garu, I agree with Muppala garu that TRS will do good with or without T. But the notion that TRS will do lot better without T is not true for the reasons you eluded. This is the probably the last election for TRS to milk the T sentiment. If T is not formed now, the vaccum created by congress will be filled more by BJP, not TRS. So the only reason that TRS is opposing RT tooth and nail is that their influence will be diminshed even before 2014 elections.

If RT is not a ploy and congress is serious about it, then Congress is counting full sweep of Anantpur and Kurnool. In that scenario along with GHMC, Medak, and parts of Mehaboob nagar and Nalgonda, Congress can get majority without TRS support. This is the nightmare scenario for KCR. From political point of view, this is like Congress doing Jagan on KCR, considering how Congress cut Jagan into half with the December 2009 announcement.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 05 Dec 2013 20:16

Well this is it. Telangana with 10 districts declared. RT dropped. BJP has a golden opportunity to seize. Any theories about BJPs next move?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Dec 2013 21:22

Bjp and tdp will join and there is a significant Modi waive which will give seats to them. People like Sushma should not be allowed to meddle into AP.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Dec 2013 21:42

Altair wrote:Well this is it. Telangana with 10 districts declared. RT dropped. BJP has a golden opportunity to seize. Any theories about BJPs next move?

Nothing. They will make some noise and they will just go along with the bill is my guess.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 05 Dec 2013 21:44

Hyderabad common capital for 10 years.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Dec 2013 21:55

vishvak wrote:Hyderabad common capital for 10 years.

They made Greater Hyderabad as common capital for 10yrs. It is not clear when that can be changed.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 05 Dec 2013 22:25

Altair wrote:Well this is it. Telangana with 10 districts declared. RT dropped. BJP has a golden opportunity to seize. Any theories about BJPs next move?

There wasn't anything official on Rayala Telangana to drop it. It was more for leaks and some background negotiations.

This Cabinet announcement is same as the Congress party announcement back in 4 months.

We'll have some bandhs and protests and pissed off Rayalaseema people. Now they will vote against it in Assembly with rigor.

Assembly defeat, Courts, Protests are same weapons Seemandhra had back in 4 months back. They need to resurrect those.

Defeated-in-Assembly bill will be against spirit of Federal system. Congress is looking forward to it. BJP will have to suck it and expose themselves to agreeing to "Corrupted" process and handling of this issue.

More important to note, this is not in Winter parliament session agenda. Now bill-in-waiting is good weapon for elections as AP people on both sides can't vote out INC completely as hope is kept alive.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 05 Dec 2013 22:40

ShyamSP wrote: Defeated-in-Assembly bill will be against spirit of Federal system. Congress is looking forward to it. BJP will have to suck it and expose themselves to agreeing to "Corrupted" process and handling of this issue.

ShyamSP-ji,
Almost everyone had agreed to the Telangana at some point (including TDP, and YSR). The BJP has sure been supporting Telangana, but if the Andhra Assembly rejects the Bill, they have the cover of rejecting it under the refusal by the Assembly. However, if the Assembly passes the Telangana Bill, then the BJP's future course of action will be in doubt. Not sure what they will do then.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 05 Dec 2013 23:47

why should Telangana's formation be hijacked by the numerical majority of SA'wallahs?
I don't hold any legitimacy to that, just as SA-vadis think that T grievances have no legitimacy and talk of "forced funding".

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 05 Dec 2013 23:54

devesh wrote:why should Telangana's formation be hijacked by the numerical majority of SA'wallahs?
I don't hold any legitimacy to that, just as SA-vadis think that T grievances have no legitimacy and talk of "forced funding".

Why should minority interest be hijacked by majority interest? Why should x state be hijacked by >X state?
Let's allow all minority interests without majority overruling them.

AP formed with more than absolute majority accepting (including absolute majority in T alone). Now should it be allowed to minority opinion to prevail? Federation is doomed if democracy falters!

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 06 Dec 2013 00:28

devesh wrote:why should Telangana's formation be hijacked by the numerical majority of SA'wallahs?
I don't hold any legitimacy to that, just as SA-vadis think that T grievances have no legitimacy and talk of "forced funding".

Do you consider that the 5 crores people on the other side also have some rights?

We all know the package for capital, Polavaram national project, the sun and the moon to SA are all trash.So let us take that out of the equation. From 1956 to 2013, after 57 years what did the SA people get? They lost access to most economically developed area. BTW, they lost Badrachalam too. So this is most deplorable division based on 2014 elections.

As the going is good, T should ask Srisailam , Nagarjun Sagar dams, Power plants, and share of tax revenues from Vizag port and steel plant (the only signficant tax generators in SA) to be added to T. Most likely they would get it. All they need to do is one day bandh and shout slogans. With the fear of losing the 17 seats that she is counting so dearly, mafia will be submitted to the demands.

Also, don't worry about AP assembly. It will most likely pass the bill as we have servile dogs in congress (on both sides).

What should happen, and my prediction is that SC will set aside the division based infringement to article 371-d. When forced to get 2/3 majority in parliament, the consensus and fair division will start. Let us hope justice prevails.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 06 Dec 2013 01:29

Chalasani Srinivasa Rao bursts on mafia

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 Dec 2013 02:00

Published on Dec 05, 2013
By TS Sudhir
How every political party is playing to a plan in Andhra Pradesh: India Today

He is analyzing on the premise that Congress would place a Bill for Telangana-Rayalseema, but still a few interesting thoughts.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 06 Dec 2013 03:24

ShyamSP wrote:
devesh wrote:why should Telangana's formation be hijacked by the numerical majority of SA'wallahs?
I don't hold any legitimacy to that, just as SA-vadis think that T grievances have no legitimacy and talk of "forced funding".
Why should minority interest be hijacked by majority interest? Why should x state be hijacked by >X state?
Let's allow all minority interests without majority overruling them.

AP formed with more than absolute majority accepting (including absolute majority in T alone). Now should it be allowed to minority opinion to prevail? Federation is doomed if democracy falters!

and right from the beginning, including the "Gentlemen's agreement", none of the promises were kept.

and as such, the formation itself was contrary to the recommendations of the SRC, which advised the Govt to wait till after 1961 elections. so I don't see why you are crying so much. INC is merely following the same harakiri model which it did when it combined the 2 states back in 1956.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 06 Dec 2013 07:40

Dasari wrote: What should happen, and my prediction is that SC will set aside the division based infringement to article 371-d. When forced to get 2/3 majority in parliament, the consensus and fair division will start. Let us hope justice prevails.

Dasari-ji,
Out of curiosity, does the proposed state of Telangana have the support of a majority of people in all Telangana districts? I looked through the vote shares of the TRS in Telangana itself last time (both Lok Sabha and Vidhan Sabha), and it seems to me that they have woefully been unable to muster a majority support for their proposed state in their own districts. If a referendum were to be held tomorrow in all the 10 proposed districts, the majority in how many districts would you reckon vote for new proposed state of Telangana?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Dec 2013 08:26

nageshks, the majority in all districts would vote for new proposed state of telangANa. I suppose thou are not from this region nor thou speaks the language.

BJP vox populii. Recognize it is a lost cause. Let it go but shift to strengthening the cadre all over India and especially in AP and TN - two states that are being incessantly bombarded with evangelical propaganda.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 06 Dec 2013 08:38

matrimc wrote:nageshks, the majority in all districts would vote for new proposed state of telangANa. I suppose thou are not from this region nor thou speaks the language.

I am not from the region, and I frankly admit that my knowledge of Telugu is not great. But, if what you say is true, why would it be a bad idea to hold a referendum, allow the people to choose the state they wish to be in, and thus create the legitimacy for the proposed division, instead of imposing it from above? My worry is not so much about the new state, but really about the way in which it is being handled. It creates a very very bad precedent, IMO, and they are ending up creating a lot of hatred between the two states.

shift to strengthening the cadre all over India and especially in AP and TN - two states that are being incessantly bombarded with evangelical propaganda.

Agree whole heartedly about this part.