Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 05 Dec 2013 23:25

RajeshA wrote:
nachiket wrote:Someone from the BJP needs to make a speech in Parliament focused solely on the exclusion of J&K from the CV Bill. That is the state where minorities have suffered far worse than in any other state in India. We here know why it is excluded of course, but one of the MP's needs to attack this viciously in the LS.
I think Modi wants to attack Article 370 not on the basis of Hindu-Muslim.

Modi can do that. But he's not in the LS and can't participate in the parliamentary debate on the CV bill. Some BJP MP needs to attack this part.
BTW, Is that their excuse? That J&K can't be included because of Article 370? LoL, more ammo to Modi then. He can attack both at the same time. And no need to get into Hindu-Muslim either. Just keep mentioning "Minorities in J&K". Everyone knows it means the Pandits.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 05 Dec 2013 23:31

First of all, is there any precedence of such half backed laws internationally?

Why is anyone debating such a law..

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 05 Dec 2013 23:33

vishvak wrote:First of all, is there any precedence of such half backed laws internationally?

Why is anyone debating such a law..

Saar, we know it is yet another vote-bank ploy from the Congress. But they have a majority in the parliament so debating and picking holes in it is pretty much the only thing the opposition can do.

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 06 Dec 2013 00:01

Lilo wrote: Ranjithn ji,
Click quote button on my post to see how I did it.

Many thanks. I shall try it next time.

disha · Post by **disha** » 06 Dec 2013 04:16

nachiket wrote:
disha wrote:
The fresh draft says, “if the State Government is of the opinion that assistance of the Central Government is required for controlling the communal violence, it may seek the assistance of the Central Government to deploy armed forces of the Union for such purposes…”
But Army assistance can and is requested (and granted) even now. So what is the need for a new law?

So they say. Need to have a look at the actual language used and if it is conducive to "multiple interpretations".

Nachiket'ji see my point #3. This bill is garam hawa., read only part of Modi's response. It is very detailed and thorough even from parts of what I read!

SoniaG ke NAC ki naak kat gayee....(tm)

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 06 Dec 2013 07:15

I don't understand why the EC has delayed counting votes by 3 days. They could have started counting Chhattisgarh today itself, now that the polls in all states are over.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 06 Dec 2013 07:26

disha wrote:We do not have a thread to discuss Indian Bills (local, state or national) and since this CVB is targetted for national runup elections, bringing some discussion here.

Sir, then please create a thread for that. the Namo thread already full of OT issues. Please save this thread for election issues and election news. No communal violence bill and philosophy here.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 06 Dec 2013 07:31

Kakkaji wrote:I don't understand why the EC has delayed counting votes by 3 days. They could have started counting Chhattisgarh today itself, now that the polls in all states are over.

Watch the wording, saarjee. I thought you were saying the EC had delayed counting to Dec. 11th.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 06 Dec 2013 07:55

nachiket wrote:Someone from the BJP needs to make a speech in Parliament focused solely on the exclusion of J&K from the CV Bill. That is the state where minorities have suffered far worse than in any other state in India. We here know why it is excluded of course, but one of the MP's needs to attack this viciously in the LS.

+1.
Ideally the leader of the opposition should do this. But somehow she fails to inspire confidence in either the party cadre or the people at large.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 Dec 2013 08:17

Congis are sounding very confident about chattisgarh. Money power will ease their way if hung verdict.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Dec 2013 08:48

Rattled Congress takes refuge in blame game

The Delhi and Rajasthan units of the Congress feel the central leadership ditched them at the final moment, in the last crucial days of campaigning.

Many in the Delhi Congress believe central party managers left chief minister Sheila Dikshit to fend for herself in the face of the robust campaigning by the BJP and the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) of Arvind Kejriwal.

Though AICC general secretary Shakeel Ahmed, in charge of Delhi affairs, denied it, the fact remains the AICC was almost absent from the campaign. Even strong candidates received no financial assistance and poll material that the party usually supplies.

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Congress spokespersons were more busy lambasting Modi for the Gujarat snooping row than focussing on the elections. “Our spokespersons were so fixed on attacking Modi for the past two weeks that they had no time to focus on the elections while the BJP bombarded the media with several press conferences and statements on its campaign in Delhi,” a Congress candidate from East Delhi told dna.

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Rajasthan state leaders too believe they had worst enemies within their own ranks. Though chief minister Ashok Ghelot’s social welfare schemes were a hit in rural areas, state leaders believe the central Congress leadership was not connected to ground realities.

“His (CM) hands were tied. Barring the first list of 70 candidates, his choices were ignored or overruled,” a Ghelot aide told dna from Jaipur.

<snip>

Without taking any name, Arun Jaitley, opposition leader in the Rajya Sabha, hinted that the Congress should now throw Priyanka Vadra in the ring before the Lok Sabha polls as her brother Rahul Gandhi had failed. “I will not be surprised, considering the traditional thinking of the Congress, if their solution to the problem is ‘if one member of the family fails, let us try another’,” he wrote in his latest Facebook post.

So Jaitley ji too thinks that Priyanka V is likely to be launched now that RaGa is facing anti-incumbency.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 06 Dec 2013 08:51

Congress-owners have made sure that AAP gets lots of slum\muslim votes.

So now paid-media will say "AAP is real party, not a BJP vote katua"

And AAP will projected nation-wide in next 4-6 months as true alternative.

A lot of youth who have no faith in Congress and , rightly or wrongly no faith in BJP, will join AAP as unpaid volunteers. And one unpaid volunteer = 50 paid volunteer. So strength of AAP will become immense.

So a bigger show will happen on media as well as off-media

And so nationwide AAP will get over 3 crore middle class votes, about 5% of total polled votes in LS-2014

But in LS-2014, AAP wont get any slum\muslim votes. These votes will all go with Congress.

So BJP may lose big time

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Another scenario is : The MNC-owners and Missionaries who pay for AAP's media coverage will offer a deal to NaMo "give so many LS tickets to our agents and we will reduce AAP coverage, or else we will increase AAP coverage". IMO, NaMo will have to agree, because if BJP doesnt won this election, the morale in BJP will be finished for years to come.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Dec 2013 08:54

Many heads may roll as blame game begins in Cong over poll predictions

A day after the exit polls predicted a rout for the Congress in four states and Delhi, where elections were held, knives were out for leaders who “did not perform well” in what were considered as semi-finals before the Lok Sabha elections next year.

Allegations flew thick and fast on internal sabotage by leaders, particularly in Delhi and Rajasthan where exit polls indicated that the Congress would lose power. The central leadership of the Congress was stunned by the findings of the exit polls, which forecast the grand old party’s crushing defeat in Chhattisgarh, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Delhi. The Congress was also seen performing below par in the Mizoram elections.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 Dec 2013 09:05

I am sure the sister will turn out just as empty drum as the brother.
it is seldom that siblings vary widely in intellectual levels....

let her enter the fray...let all party ranks welcome it and demand it...congi cupboard will exposed as hollow instead of retaining this last remnant of mystique.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 06 Dec 2013 09:10

Rahul Mehta wrote:Congress-owners have made sure that AAP gets lots of slum\muslim votes.

So now paid-media will say "AAP is real party, not a BJP vote katua"

And AAP will projected nation-wide in next 4-6 months as true alternative.

A lot of youth who have no faith in Congress and , rightly or wrongly no faith in BJP, will join AAP as unpaid volunteers. And one unpaid volunteer = 50 paid volunteer. So strength of AAP will become immense.

So a bigger show will happen on media as well as off-media

And so nationwide AAP will get over 3 crore middle class votes, about 5% of total polled votes in LS-2014

But in LS-2014, AAP wont get any slum\muslim votes. These votes will all go with Congress.

So BJP may lose big time

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Another scenario is : The MNC-owners and Missionaries who pay for AAP's media coverage will offer a deal to NaMo "give so many LS tickets to our agents and we will reduce AAP coverage, or else we will increase AAP coverage". IMO, NaMo will have to agree, because if BJP doesnt won this election, the morale in BJP will be finished for years to come.

If Indians especially Middle class people are dumb and stupid and can be so easily manipulated by MNCs and media, you need to more worry about Indians and their stupidity. May be Indians are not as stupid as you think they are. If they are, then why are you worried about BJP? Worry about India and Indians.

BJP is doing what it can and what it has to.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 06 Dec 2013 09:13

Singha wrote:I am sure the sister will turn out just as empty drum as the brother.
it is seldom that siblings vary widely in intellectual levels....

let her enter the fray...let all party ranks welcome it and demand it...congi cupboard will exposed as hollow instead of retaining this last remnant of mystique.

Singha-ji,
I strongly doubt that they will bring in Priyanka. Reason is her hubby, who is at the centre of a ton of nefarious deals. If they bring in Priyanka, they will essentially have to deal with the mess created by Vadra, and will give the BJP another stick to beat the Congress with. Their best bet is to project MMS again, of someone like Nandan Nilekani, and do remote control.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 06 Dec 2013 09:31

While RG is supposed to be personable in person, PG is supposed to be high-strung & spoilt. I doubt she can actually run the party; but as a face to project definitely. But not in 2014. They will not use her now when the ship is sunk.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 06 Dec 2013 09:42

Singha-ji,
I strongly doubt that they will bring in Priyanka. Reason is her hubby, who is at the centre of a ton of nefarious deals. If they bring in Priyanka, they will essentially have to deal with the mess created by Vadra, and will give the BJP another stick to beat the Congress with. Their best bet is to project MMS again, of someone like Nandan Nilekani, and do remote control.

Benazir Zardari duo of India.

Rahul Mehta:

Majority of AAP volunteers and supporters are from middle class who would have voted for BJP. Slum dwellers and muslims will always vote for Congress. Likes attract.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 06 Dec 2013 09:45

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Dec 2013 09:51

Murmurs in BJP on Modi’s Bhopal ‘cost’

New Delhi, Dec. 5: An influential lobby in the BJP has begun a whisper campaign that Narendra Modi will be costing the party “30 to 35” of Madhya Pradesh’s 230 seats when votes are counted on Monday.

These seats have a sizeable Muslim population, said a source close to a leader who is still to reconcile with Modi’s ascendancy as the party’s prime ministerial candidate.

Modi’s presence in the campaign, the source said, had consolidated Muslim votes in the Congress’s favour without achieving a reverse polarisation of Hindus towards the BJP.

In 2008, when chief minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan and Modi were on a par in the BJP echelons, “several” Muslims had voted for Chouhan, the source claimed.

But their “goodwill”, he added, had dissipated by the time Lok Sabha polls were held in 2009 because of Modi’s appearance in the national campaign and Varun Gandhi’s tirade against Muslims in western Uttar Pradesh.

The source claimed that Chouhan, who is eyeing a third term, was aware of the “damage” Modi had caused but was “helpless”.

“There were orders from the RSS brass to maximise Modi’s campaign presence in these elections,” the source said.

A Chouhan aide denied the insinuation. “It has come to our notice that this sort of talk is in circulation. There are central leaders trying to campaign against Modi by firing from Chouhan’s shoulders,” he said.

“Let me emphatically state that Chouhan has nothing to do with such designs.”

The aide said Chouhan and other state BJP leaders had asked Modi to extend his Madhya Pradesh stopovers, following which he addressed a dozen extra meetings.

“It is extremely unfair to run down someone like Modi who has worked so hard in these elections,” he said.

Madhya Pradesh BJP sources said Muslims accounted for more than 20 per cent of the voters in only about 10 seats, mostly in Bhopal, Satna, Rewa and Indore. They added that it was a “myth” that Muslims had voted for Chouhan in the last elections.

“We never got their votes. But that did not stop the chief minister from reaching out to the community and assuring them that their welfare was close to his heart,” a state leader said.

“If we lose seats this time, it won’t be because of Muslims. It will be because of anti-incumbency against our ministers and MLAs. We replaced nearly 50 of them; we should have dumped another 50.”

TwoCircles.net, a portal that focuses on issues concerning Muslims and the marginalised sections, says Muslims make up just 6.4 per cent of Madhya Pradesh’s population according to the 2001 census, about three per cent less than the community’s presence in Gujarat.

The website says Muslims can tip the scales at best in a dozen Assembly seats in Madhya Pradesh, and that even the Congress had ignored the minority quotient and fielded just five Muslim candidates this time. The BJP fielded none.

Madhya Pradesh is not the only state offering a test for the “Modi effect” in this round of elections.

Modi’s intra-party critics allege that the “good showing” in Rajasthan and Chhattisgarh owes to the leadership of Vasundhara Raje and Raman Singh.

Rajasthan BJP sources said Vasundhara was initially against a campaign blitz by Modi for fear of alienating the Muslims. She changed her mind seeing the response he received at a workers’ rally in Jaipur in September, days before he was declared the prime ministerial candidate.

Towards the end of electioneering in Rajasthan, Vasundhara and other state BJP leaders urged Modi to spare an additional two days for the state.

Delhi is the only state where the BJP’s verdict on Modi the campaigner has been unambiguous.

“His campaign gave us the push we badly needed to pit ourselves as the Congress’s main opponent. The Opposition space was initially reclaimed by the Aam Aadmi Party; we were getting edged out,” a source said.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 06 Dec 2013 09:53

jamwal wrote: Majority of AAP volunteers and supporters are from middle class who would have voted for BJP. Slum dwellers and muslims will always vote for Congress. Likes attract.

True to an extent, Jamwal-ji. However, quite a number of them are strongly leftist folk who will never vote for BJP. The destruction of the Communists had left these leftists directionless. They were voting for the Congress because there was no other alternative. Now they have found a home in AAP. There will always be a left oriented bunch of educated folk, and I doubt the BJP can win their allegiance.

rohitv · Post by **rohitv** » 06 Dec 2013 09:57

Delhi Exit Poll by 5forty3.

Link: http://5forty3.wordpress.com/2013/12/06 ... -of-delhi/

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Dec 2013 09:59

We will have the CNN IBN post poll survey of Delhi today @ 9 PM. In any case Sunday is not too far off.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 06 Dec 2013 10:03

Nageshks ji

I can't say anything for leftists. They're a lost cause anyway.
My concern is with people who disliked Congress and would have voted for BJP if AAP hype was not there. A lot of educated, non-lefty people I know voted for AAP. Most common logic was to give chance to the new party with a clean image. Only a very small minority must be left leaning among them.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 06 Dec 2013 10:25

Kejriwal's shameless meeting with the rabid mullah Maulana Tauqeer Raza Khan in Bareilly seems to have paid off for him. Nothing seems to touch him, not even the video sting.

Santosh · Post by **Santosh** » 06 Dec 2013 11:01

VikramS wrote:C Voter is saying that it is a dead heat in Delhi.

Since AAP crossed 20%, it is now much more dangerous to NaMo in 2014.

Plans are all set to cut into anti-Congress vote across the country.

Truly sad to see the Indians being manipulated like puppets. I am sick of trying to explain things to people. Cong==BJP canard is so well ingrained in the MSM that even truly smart people (I am talking single digit JEE rankers) with many years under the belt after that, are buying the story.

niran: That AAP MLAs will defect is no surprise. But now get ready for an AAP campaign across the urban areas.

I don't quite agree with above assessment. Here's why -
1. Delhi BJP's performance has been really bad due to presence of D4. Hence in Delhi, BJP=Congress and Kejriwal took full advantage of it. Not so in other parts. In UP, BH, MH etc BJP does not have that problem.
2. Kejriwal ki aandhi aane wali thi. Aaya ek leher. There was supposed to be Kejri storm but really it was a ripple. Kejriwal is just one man show with HQ in Delhi. If he can only pull 20% votes in Delhi, his performance will be miserable in other places.
3. Kejriwal was losing voters by the hour. AAP was losing the battle very badly on social media and also on paid tv media thanks for congi goons. If elections were to be held next week, his performance would have been worse.
4. Delhi was really local elections with local issues. He was able to keep quiet on lot of things including Kashmir, Pakistan, islamic terrorism, reservations, minority reservations, armed forces, telengana, ram mandir etc etc. Not so in 2014. The moment he shows his colors he will be toast.
5. AAP does not have presence or the network of cadres in rest of India. Time will be against him. He does not have time to understand caste equations and other finesse. If his candidates are unknown faces his presence will be immaterial.

Even in Delhi, I doubt he will get more seats than BJP. BJP may still end up being the biggest party although they may not have majority. Not sure what happens then.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 06 Dec 2013 11:25

Victor wrote:Kejriwal's shameless meeting with the rabid mullah Maulana Tauqeer Raza Khan in Bareilly seems to have paid off for him. Nothing seems to touch him, not even the video sting.

Kejriwal is a hero for a so many. Especially young crowd. Once a personality becomes a hero people ignore his all bads and just see good in him. Those people have not necessarily fallen to his leftist ideology and promises of removing corruption like magic. The real reason is that people respect his guts to stand against the establishment. The current government has pissed people to such an extent that anyone taking a stand against them would automatically become a hero. This is where D4 failed. Just like any woman would want her husband to be strong and assertive, any society would want their leader to be clean, brave and strong. Look at MMS. Does he even remotely look like a leader? His acts or rather lack of it make him even more ridiculous. Same problem was with ABV that he just didn't look fit for PM's position to young crowd because of his age and illness. Same is the reason for Modi's rise. People like us analyse and debate every single word they utter on daily basis. Most people don't do that. For them kejri and modi are the brave challengers who want to do something good for the country. They don't bother what exactly they want to do and what is their ideology.

In the past 66 years we have seen very few real national heroes. There have been very few who would guide and motivate the young generations. That is the reason we see temples of film stars and cricketers being worshiped as gods. High time we see a true national hero. NM could potentially be that but for that he has to do a lot other than winning this election.

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 06 Dec 2013 12:35

I like the analysis done by 5Forty3. Good blog.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 06 Dec 2013 12:48

stop this dhoti-shivering. It will be 5-0 against congress! If they have any faith in democracy left then they should be calling general election right away as they have lost people mandate. But then we already have DigLosserSingh claiming that state polls has no correlation with central poll!

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 06 Dec 2013 13:02

The 5forty3 blog post on Rajasthan has a very interesting statement:

This is another state where BJP has had a strong base since Jan Sangh days and has been the only real alternative to the Congress brand of politics. Rajasthan is widely believed to be the laboratory of “Rights-based” dole schemes prioritized by the trio of Sonia, Sen and Drèze. To that extent the Rajasthan verdict of 2013 will tell us if a purely welfarist economy without any focus on creating long term infrastructure is electorally viable, despite corruption. Therefore Rajasthan is a true semifinal to the 2014 battle where not just two adverse political ideologies but also two opposite economic visions would be contesting to capture India.

Very interesting and thought-provoking.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 Dec 2013 17:28

Published on Dec 06, 2013
By Praveen Patil
Exit Poll analysis and the story of 30 swing seats of Delhi

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 06 Dec 2013 18:11

Sanku wrote:I see you are getting a lot of responses already, all of them valid, let me add mine.

All the responses are opinions. Nothing less and nothing more. They do not automatically become valid because you hold a similar view.

Why should BJP be blamed when people vote congress/aap. Parties which are poor choices and people who vote for parties which are poor choices should get the blame? The case often made is , BJP should have convinced people better that they are better or should be much better (being only better is not good enough). I say, that people should do a better job of exercising judgement.

I sure if BJP followed your strategy, they'd be wiped clean from the electoral face of this country.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 06 Dec 2013 18:15

M Joshi wrote: When AAP is falsely bloated by MSM 24x7 as holy-crusaders of some sought, this "yuppy" crowd is bound to get affected by this non-sop propaganda.

Does BJP rely on English MSM to reach out to people and convey its message? Did the massive turnout for NM rallies happen because of role played by English MSM?

You do disservice to the organization effort of BJP - and AAP - in giving credit to MSM.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 06 Dec 2013 18:21

rohitvats wrote:
M Joshi wrote: When AAP is falsely bloated by MSM 24x7 as holy-crusaders of some sought, this "yuppy" crowd is bound to get affected by this non-sop propaganda.
Does BJP rely on English MSM to reach out to people and convey its message? Did the massive turnout for NM rallies happen because of role played by English MSM?

You do disservice to the organization effort of BJP - and AAP - in giving credit to MSM.

You give too much credit to AAP's 'organization' (if anything like that exists). They are a balloon filled up by MSM.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 06 Dec 2013 18:36

Relax bhailog, Aravind is Sanskrit for lotus. At times people have to sacrifice the foot soldier to kill the other side's King (or Queen). Aravind may be leading a sena of bhootas, a sena from the left side of lord shiva but he is not going to do bad. He himself may be a crazy man but do not worry there are more than enough people willing to oppose him should he go terroristic. And a lot of people following him are just good natured bums.

You want to see NaMo doing his job just put up a show today and help maintain a respectable distance from this crazed sena of bhootas. Bhootas good when they afflict the opponent.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 06 Dec 2013 18:41

Arjun wrote:Frankly, there's nothing wrong in believing that it is broadly the leftists and the clueless that have voted for the AAP. That is not to be confused with absolving the BJP's responsibility to provide clues to the clueless.

Leftists are a lost cause in any case, and my guess is many would have taken the migratory route from CPM to Congress to AAP.

It is not the lefties that I'm talking about. They are a fringe element who hardly make an overall impact.

It is the new voters in 18-21 category which I'm taking about - youngsters who are quite conscious of their surroundings and know what they want. These are the same youngsters who invited NM to SRCC and gave a rousing reception to him. They identified with the message that NM gave out - and will hopefully come out and vote to see the message implemented.

And there are many who need to be reached out to and interacted with.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 Dec 2013 18:52

If BJP does not get 35 (or 36 seats) in Delhi, then one can be certain that Arvind Kejriwal would be the CM.

All the other secular parties INC, BSP, JDU would be willing to extend their support to the new media and middle class darling, most important objective being to deny Narendra Modi another win, especially in the capital. It would allow the secularists to do a test run for a third front government in the capital.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 06 Dec 2013 18:54

rohitvats wrote: It is the new voters in 18-21 category which I'm taking about - youngsters who are quite conscious of their surroundings and know what they want. These are the same youngsters who invited NM to SRCC and gave a rousing reception to him. They identified with the message that NM gave out - and will hopefully come out and vote to see the message implemented.

And there are many who need to be reached out to and interacted with.

This analysis is dead on target. People are frustrated and Kejriwal is using this frustration to his advantage. Also, from the Anna movement, his IIT credentials, and his supposedly new clean political system, he has garnered a lot of positive vibe. More importantly, he was able to get a very sympathetic audience in the TVs because his left liberal views resonated well with the TV anchors own views (no one really took him to task about getting into bed with that Talibanised mullah from Bareilly. or lying about the Batala house encounter, or even his breakup with Anna).

So, he was able to project himself as a clean alternative at a time when frustration about corruption and cynicism about things being different were running high. But the principal blame lies with the Delhi BJP and the BJP national leadership before Modi came on the scene. They really were in a coma and until Modi arrived on the scene and forced the Delhi unit to make Harshvardhan the CM candidate, there was no answer to him from the BJP. Harshvardhan did succeed in stemming the Kejriwal tide to an extent (if Vijay Goel had led the BJP, things would have been much worse), but he came too late on the scene to really turn the tide around. We will know in a couple of days whether Harshvardhan has been able to stave off the Kejriwal challenge.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 06 Dec 2013 18:54

kapilrdave wrote:<SNIP>Let me tell you what these BD and VHP types 'talibanis' do when they are not barging art galleries and movie halls. These goons save hundreds of cows from being slaughtered everyday. Just last Janmastami muslim butchers of an area decided to slaughter more than 100 cows on the same day. Reason? Krishna Bhagvan loved cows . VHP/BD cadre literally fought with them and released 120 cows. My relative was leading the VHP crowd who ended up fracturing his hand. At times he goes with his team to 'one of those' area and bring back cows from inside the slaughter house. That is not a job of faint hearted.

When VHP/BD are not beating up love birds of valentines day they deter muslim lover boys from executing their love jihad. Everyday, repeat everyday, these guys have to patrol around girls collages and hostels to nab jihadis. Now anyone can guess that these jihadis would have some sound backing of musclemen of their community. But those musclemen don't dare to utter a word against these real hindu warriors. Everyday there would be multiple cases where a helpless father of a stupid girl who fell in a fraud muslim lover and eloped. There is only one place where these fathers can go for help (because police can't help). That is VHP/BD. And needless to say that they do deliver at the risk of their life. What do they get in return? Utter hateret of dhimmifieds. But they don't care. They know that this is a dirty job that to be done by someone.<SNIP>

And which part of the above post should make me accept the kind of hooliganism witnessed on Valentine's Day? Of forcibly making girl tie rakhi to boy she was 'caught' with or tonsuring the boy's head? Or asking shops not to sell Valentine's day stuff? Or making idiotic comments on what women should wear or not?

Who gives them the right to interfere in my personal space? And tell me what my culture should be - or should not be? Is VHP and BD final arbiter of what Hinduism and Bhartiya culture is?

Or should I put up with all this as a sign of my gratefulness for the other work done by them?

For all the good things they do - this one act of trying to act like religious police does the biggest harm in terms of weaning people away from BJP. A common man-whether in a city or a village - is as religious as they come. A reading of history should have told them that if you try to force anything down the throat of anyone in India, it simply does not work. Especially in matters of religion.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 06 Dec 2013 19:04

BJP won in Delhi according to post polls. Just relax!

I see another positive thing even if there is hung assembly. People don't like hung verdict. So many anti-establishment people who votes for Kujliwal will switch to Modi in 2014. Some of them are totally brainwashed lefties. They will never vote for BJP. Left or Congress or sit out. Let them vote for AAP.