Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

[Prem]

http://www.dawn.com/news/1061298/hagel- ... -officials
Hagel to visit Pakistan: US officials

KABUL: US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel will visit Pakistan on Monday, officials said, with Afghanistan's stalled peace process high on the agenda as well as the strained relations between Washington and Islamabad.Hagel, who has been in Afghanistan since Saturday, will meet with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in Islamabad in the first visit by a US defense secretary to Pakistan in nearly four years.Ties between the two countries have been troubled over US drone strikes targeting suspected militants in Pakistan's tribal belt.
“Secretary Hagel met with Prime Minister Sharif on his visit to Washington earlier this year and looks forward to continuing candid and productive conversations,” Pentagon's Carl Woog told reporters on Sunday.“Secretary Hagel also looks forward to discussing with Prime Minister Sharif and other senior Pakistani officials the United States and Pakistan's common interest in a stable Afghanistan.”The US military has suspended shipments of equipment out of Afghanistan through the Torkham border crossing, a key transit point to withdraw Nato military hardware from Afghanistan.Pakistan is seen as crucial to peace in neighbouring Afghanistan as it was a key backer of the hardline 1996-2001 Taliban regime in Kabul and is believed to shelter some of the movement's leaders.

[Cosmo_R]

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Fortunately, Pakistan possess an endless supply of grievances that outrage the Sunni majority. Unless Pakistan discards its nation building approach it will remain mired in poverty, ignorance, religious violence, superstition. Deliciously, discarding the model will be the first step to dissolution of this criminal enterprise and the entrenched privileges of those who directly sponsor and benefit from a society built on hate.

Well said. The only fly in the Indian ointment however, is our endless supply of dossiers. We should instead strive to inflict pain precisely on the people who are at the fuse end of the cannon—shape (not augment) the violence in Pakistan to blow back at the Clifton, and the various Defence Colonies.

NaMo in 2014 could be the start of a new approach.

[Peregrine]

Peregrine,

Can't expect DDM to show some brains, and a better question to have asked him are: What is US position on 26/11 where 6 Americans were killed and HafeezPig roams right under the nose of TSPA just like OBL was. In other words, frame the question in a US-centric way so he cannot come up with the usual crap about both India & TSP being its munnas and should make piss.

CRamS :

It isn't the Desi Dork Media at work. She - US State Department spokesperson Marie Harf - is not permitted to say anything disparaging against Nawaz Budmash. Simple!

Somebody will have to write a Tome about the US treating India and Pakistan as EQUALS (but always leaning towards the Land of the Pure and the Home of the Terrorists) other than that the US does so to "Control" India. If that is so then "Enough said"

Cheers

[Peregrine]

Poll rout kills PM’s Pak trip, Bangla deal

Thank God.

Cheers

[CRamS]

Peregrine,

I agree, this mouthpiece Marie Harf, then there was that Indian American lady, I forget her name, ass. sec for "South Asian" affairs who proudly declared Modi policy is unchanged, and of course DDM, are all feather weights, if they have any weight at all. Real power lies somewhere else. No point railing against them.

[LakshO]

Poll rout kills PM’s Pak trip, Bangla deal

Thank God.

Cheers

I don't know about the Bangla deal, but if MMS's Paki trip is off, that's a positive

[Prem]

Dim Khan asks Pakistan, India to cooperate in civil N-tech

LAHORE, Dec 8: Theek-i-NaakSaaf chairman Imran Khan came up on Sunday with an unusual suggestion for improving Pakistan-India relations and said that as a confidence-building measure the neighbours should cooperate in civil nuclear technology.Both countries should set up a joint nuclear power plant in an area along the border with half of the staff hired from each country for building mutual trust, he told journalists at the airport on his return after a two-day visit to New Delhi.
Accompanied by former foreign minister See My Bood Qurrashi, he said the PTI was not against any country — neither India nor the US — but against their policies.“We are not anti-America. We are against US drones and its war against terror…against India’s Kashmir policy under which it has sent 700,000 troops there.” Referring to his meeting with Indian leaders, the PTI chief said they complained of involvement of Pakistani side in terrorism in their country and also expressed reservations about Mumbai attacks.He said the hosts were told that Islamabad had similar complaints – that New Delhi was supporting Taliban as well as insurgents in Balochistan.He said he had put the suggestion about the joint nuclear power plant before the Indian leaders.He said the Indian leaders were told that both the countries would have to speak the truth to their people and fight against poverty, instead of fighting against each other.

[Prem]

The Jinnah-Mandela connection
Yanha Par Hasna Manna hai

The great Mandela is no longer with us. He now belongs to the cosmos and his consciousness has joined the universal consciousness that engulfs us all. Scores of articles have been written about Mandela, and comparisons between Mandela and great men in history like Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr are being made. The media has, by and large, ignored however the great respect and admiration Madiba — as Mandela was lovingly known — had for Mohammed Ali Jinnah, the fond-ling father of Pakistan, which he expressed on several occasions. The reason for this is the extraordinary way in which Pakistan has constantly let down Jinnah and his legacy.
Mandela famously wrote in 1995: “Jinnah is a constant source of inspiration for all those who are fighting against racial or group discrimination.” His tribute to Quaid-e-Azam was a reminder to Pakistanis of what their country was actually founded for. Jinnah could not care less for the theocratic ambitions that Pakistanis have written into the constitution of Pakistan. His reason for the Pakistan movement was first and foremost for justice and fair play for Muslims in British India who he saw as being left behind economically and politically. Nor was it limited to the Muslims. As one of the leading politicians in South Asia, Jinnah toiled equally for Indians, especially Indians who were marginalised. The Quaid’s aim and objective in his long political career had been to first and foremost overturn the apartheid of sorts inflicted on the ‘natives’ by a British bureaucracy using the tools that the British had given India. As a young law student in the UK, Jinnah had been pained to see the racist campaign against the great Indian leader Dadabhoy Naoroji, which had played on Naoroji’s colour. . As one of the few Muslims who joined the Indian National Congress, Jinnah was mercilessly outspoken against racial discrimination of all kinds and spoke repeatedly of the rights of Indians and other races of the Empire to become equal partners in progress.
” if it had not been for his presence in the council. Jinnah’s concern for South Africa may have been much older; Gandhi’s correspondence shows letters from “M A Jinnah, Barrister, Karachi” as early as 1897, as unearthed by Ramchandra Guha in his book India before Gandhi. It should shed some light on the Gandhi-Jinnah binary that Indians and Pakistanis have created as a result of the acerbic rivalry between the two nation states. the massive legislative contributions that Jinnah made to the statute books of India and Pakistan are ignored. Pakistan has done so to tailor Jinnah into an exclusivist Muslim leader irrevocably committed to Muslim nationalism while India has done so to punish Jinnah for what it perceives as his role in the vivisection of the country.

[wig]

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/131208/c ... l%E2%80%99

Lt. Gen. Syed Ata Hasnain (Retd), who was GOC of the Srinagar-based 15 Corps in an interview. interesting reading

Pakistan’s strongest weapon is the weapon of denial’ Pakistan has a new Army Chief in Gen. Raheel Sharif.
Why do you think Pakistan Prime Mini-ster Nawaz Sharif picked Gen. Raheel Sharif to succeed Gen. Kayani as Army Chief over more senior officers?
Gen. Sharif is the younger brother of an iconic deceased military figure who happened to be a batchmate of Pervez Musharraf. When Raheel Sharif was commissioned in 1976, we learn that Mr Musharraf took him under his wing. As such, it’s a surprise actually that PM Sharif selected an Army Chief who is a protégé of

Mr Musharraf. How­ever, Gen. Sharif was a commander of the 11 Infantry Division in Lahore and 30 Corps in Gujranwala, which is the heart of (Pakistani) Punjab. So he must have come into very close contact with the (Nawaz) Sharif family. That is probably how he developed that comfort level with the current political dispensation in Pakistan.

Besides, Gen Sharif has neither served with the Inter-Services Intel-ligence nor with the Operations/Intell­igence Direct­orate. In his last assignment, he dealt with training and doctrinal aspects. The doctrinal study on counter-insurgency has probably been authored by him. There is a Pakistani writer who recently mentioned that Gen. Sharif does not have the personality of an Army Chief who would lead the nation into a war. I feel that Gen. Sharif in his time will mature, and find his own place among equals. I discount theories that he is not aggressive and not capable. He is an infantry officer with a good operational orientation and cerebral capability and has the right political backing.

Under Gen. Sharif do you think there can be a reversal of Gen. Kayani’s confrontationist policy on the Line of Control?
This year there have been several infringements of the ceasefire. It is very important for Pakistan to try and keep the fire of disgruntlement burning in Kash-mir.

There are fewer than 250 terrorists in the Kashmir Valley now. Pakistan probably thou-ght if it does not act now, its ability to calibrate turbulence in the valley will be severely compromised.

In late 2012, Pakistan probably decided that the LoC has to be re-activated because the Indian Army had its focus on the Jammu and Kashmir hinterland and was succeeding in moulding public opinion towards itself in a positive way. Many militant leaders were eliminated in focused coun-ter-terrorist operations. This is what was worrying the Pakistan Army. Given this, I don’t think there can be a drastic change towards J&K and towards India (as a whole). I don’t think anyone heading the Pakistan Army can take an overnight decision to suddenly switch off Kashmir. In the next six months, I don’t expect any change in policy.

The Pakistan Army has been brought up on a diet of anti-Indianism. This basic orientation of the Pakistan Army will not change.



Pakistan’s modified military doctrine war-ns of a disproportionate response vis-à-vis India.



India’s doctrine of Cold Start (now called Proactive Strategy) — to address the problem of our slow mobilisation — has never really been enunciated. It, of course, worried Pakis-tan and they permanently moved some of their formations to more appropriate locations closer to the border. Earlier, Pakistan was able to mobilise forces much faster compared to India. Pakistan then decided to bring some offensive formations south of the Chenab. It also decided to adopt a policy of “react first and mobilise later”.

This is a very major change in the doctrine of Pakistan whereby Pakistan will rely on sw­ift and potent reaction with what is available and then supplement it with mobilisation.

Should this not succeed, as a last act of desperation, Pakistan cou-ld well resort to the use of tactical nuclear weapons, a capability it is keenly developing. And there is an assumption that in any fallout with India, the Afghan border will be downplayed. One-third of their brigades are on the Afghan border. These will be brought back. They appear to have some kind of understanding with the Taliban that in case of any conflict with India, the Taliban will switch off and allow the Pakistan Army to react to the Indian Army.



How would you react to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s statement — that Pakistan cannot win a war against India — which was made in response to a comment from the Pakis-tan Prime Minister which has since been denied?



Pakistan’s strongest weapon is the weapon of denial. We should not be naive. PM Sharif’s purported statement — that Kashmir is a flashpoint and can trigger a fourth war with India — was part of political gamesmanship. Such aggressive verbal posturing is usual when a Pakistani Prime Minister visits Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. However, it is very significant that our Prime Minister has reacted to it. His message was unambiguous — that Pakistan cannot meddle militarily with India and ever hope to succeed. I think it was required and has effectively conveyed our stance. Mr Sharif may have been testing the waters.



How do you see the current civil-military relations in Pakistan.



The Pakistan Army’s relationship with the civilian government should pan out positively. The Pakistan Army does not want to take up governance of the country. It has too much on its hands already.



What will be the Pakistan Army’s stra-tegy on its western border and Afghanis-tan ahead of the pullout of foreign troops next year?



Pakistan is looking at stability. The Pakistan Army’s strategy is to weaken the Pakistani Taliban. It is not easy to defeat such an insurgency. The strategy would be to stabilise and to prevent further radicalisation. For Pak-istan, it is important to engage with Afghanis-tan and to ensure that no factor perceived to be hostile is allowed to germinate in its backyard.



Some say the situation in Afghanistan has to be closely monitored in the context of infiltration into Kashmir.



I don’t think there will be any sudden and sh­a­rp influx into J&K after the pullout of foreign troops from Afghani­stan.

The Indian Army is alert on the LoC. However, Pakistan will continue moral and material support to separatism in Jammu and Kashmir with the possibility of keeping the LoC active to facilitate infiltration, as it has done in the past.

[sum]

From OrBat:

Rumor of US Special Forces “Misadventure” in Pakistan within last 3-4 days. Major AH Amin, a Pakistani defense analyst with whom we are associated, sent an email asking if anyone had any information. He has excellent contacts with the military, but says he has just the rumor and no further details. If you know something, email Major Amin at [email protected]

[partha]

Pakistan's nightmare.

[Paul]

^^Pakistan itself is a nightmare. How can it have nightmares.

[partha]

^^Pakistan itself is a nightmare. How can it have nightmares.

hehe..but Pakistanis don't recognize that. They act as if Pakistan is a fully developed progressive country with first world problems

[Peregrine]

One in five young prisoners in Her Majesty’s youth Jails are Muslim, report reveals

The proportion of offenders in youth jails who are Muslim is rising sharply and they now account for more than one-fifth of all inmates, the chief inspector of prisons has said. Nick Hardwick said the figure had risen from 13% in 2009-10 to 21% in 2011-12.

Cheers

[SSridhar]

The Jinnah-Mandela connection
Yanha Par Hasna Manna hai

That's the 'parity obsession'. Everyone knows that Gandhi was Mandela's inspiration; but Pakistan cannot tolerate that and so would draw a similar relationship with Jinnah. Jinnah himself, up there in the cosmos, should be enjoying the equation that Yasser Latif Hamdani, the blind bigot of Jinnah has drawn up.

[anupmisra]

That's the 'parity obsession'. Everyone knows that Gandhi was Mandela's inspiration; but Pakistan cannot tolerate that and so would draw a similar relationship with Jinnah. Jinnah himself, up there in the cosmos, should be enjoying the equation that Yasser Latif Hamdani, the blind bigot of Jinnah has drawn up.

Parity-shparity. Didn't you know that JFK and Martin Luther King were probably inspired by the Djinnah as well? You know... the "ask not what you can do..." and "I have a dream" speeches were direct lifts from Djinnah's "You can go to ..." famous last minute altered speech. Heck, there is probably no world leader of repute and fame that was not inspired by the great father's wisdom, thoughts, actions, writings, ruminations....

[vishvak]

In fact the sultan of Saudi, Mao, JFK and queen Elizabeth viz leaders of fourfathers must have been inspired by djinna. Parity with bhooka-nanga Hindoos won't get pakis a dollar/pound, other than circus of heartburns/nightmares when Indians take credit of successful political discourse.

[Lalmohan]

many famous quotes have been stolen from qaid-e-zam zam, like yindoos steal potency from paani
(original is shown below)

macarthur - i will riot and burn
churchill - we shall fight them for the beatches
hitler - ik volk ik reich ik jinnah
kennedy - ich bin ein pakheezer/ask naat bhat ju kan du phor juor caantree, ask bhat ju can du phor me!!
MLK - i habh a djinn, that from kashmiri mountain to bangali-bay all will be green
clinton - i did inhale

other maulers hiyar bhill phaind more

[Peregrine]

The Jinnah-Mandela connection
Yanha Par Hasna Manna hai

That's the 'parity obsession'. Everyone knows that Gandhi was Mandela's inspiration; but Pakistan cannot tolerate that and so would draw a similar relationship with Jinnah. Jinnah himself, up there in the cosmos, should be enjoying the equation that Yasser Latif Hamdani, the blind bigot of Jinnah has drawn up.

SSridhar Ji :

It would be pertinent to find out what Mandela was doing at the Age of Thirty i.e. was he involved in the Freedom Struggle and then had he heard of the World's Greatest Constitutionalist, Democratic and Secularist Leader of the Land of the Pure and Home of the Terrorists.?

Cheers

[anupmisra]

Its amazing at the regularity with which the pakis trot out the ghost of djinnah as if to prove a point.

[anupmisra]

churchill - we shall fight them for their bitches

There! That's more djinna'h worthy.

[SSridhar]

The last few posts made me laugh out aloud inviting the [unwanted] attention of the SHQ.

[Aditya_V]

Why do Pakis fear Narendra Modi? After all they have thier brave Paki forces.

[kish]

Dim Khan asks Pakistan, India to cooperate in civil N-tech

LAHORE, Dec 8: Both countries should set up a joint nuclear power plant in an area along the border with half of the staff hired from each country for building mutual trust,

All their nuclear power plants are "joint nuclear power plants" onlee

chinese contributed small things like design, finance, equipment, etc (i.e. Shanghai Nuclear Engineering Research and Design Institute (SNERDI))

pakisatan contributed immensely, they provided land for the nuclear plant & did 'brave' watchman duties to protect the small chinese who were working in the plant from gazis.

[CRamS]

Why do Pakis fear Narendra Modi? After all they have thier brave Paki forces.

Because TSP will lose one lever of power they have, namely, India's "secularists" who will talk about "Hindu extremism" after they attack with their pigLeTs. Once Indian secularist cowards start that chorus, the west will not be that far behind with their usual mantra that both are their munnas and should make piss and if both ask, they will facilitate. TSP strives on this choreographed circus. Modi, at least Prima Facie, could put an end to that. But then again, if Modi also turns out to be like VajpayeeJi, inviting them to Agra-like summits, they have nothing to fear. But I am hoping if Modi becomes PM, he will be different.

[Prem]

Its amazing at the regularity with which the pakis trot out the ghost of djinnah as if to prove a point.

Djinnah Ke Ilawa Pakistan Mey Rakkha Kya Hai ?
.
Djinnah was not only the best secular leader of South Asia but also the best IEDmaker. He outsmarted Hanoods, made Paki free to blow Mosques, Chriches and temples. Free to Blow America, Britania, China and Saudia depending on fee.
Djinnah inspired Proud Paki to give Head to anyone anytime to compete with Hind.

[Prem]

ISLAMABAD: Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel warned Pakistani leaders on Monday that if they don't resolve protests stalling some military shipments across the border with Afghanistan, it could be difficult to maintain political support in Washington for an aid program that has sent billions of dollars to Islamabad, defense officials said. In response, the officials said, Hagel received assurances from the Pakistanis that they would take ''immediate action'' to resolve the shipment problem. The officials did not provide details on how that might be done.Hagel departed from Pakistan after a brief Gubo visit during which he held talks with Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and the country's new army chief General Raheel Sharif on Monday.The meeting between the US Defence Secretary and Pakistani prime minister was also attended by Foreign Secretary Jalil Abbas Jilani, Federal Finance Minister Ishaq Dar, Federal Defence Minister Khawaja Asif and US special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan James Dobbins.The defence secretary wanted “to deepen our defence partnership” and to affirm continued US military assistance, the official said.“There is some friction in the relationship” and Hagel wished to tackle that “head on”, he added.
Moreover, Hagel also met with Pakistan's army chief General Raheel Sharif at the General Headquarters in Rawalpindi. Issues concerning defence relationship, Pak-US bilateral ties and regional stability came under discussion.The rift led the US to sever most aid to Pakistan for some time, but relations were restored in July 2012. Since then, the US has delivered over $1.15 billion in security assistance to Pakistan, including advanced communications equipment, roadside bomb jammers, night vision goggles and surveillance aircraft. “Issues concerning defence relationship, Pak-US bilateral ties and regional stability came under discussion,” the Pakistan military said after Hagel met the army chief, who last month succeeded General Ashfaq Kayani.Hagel visited Pakistan after two days in Afghanistan, where he urged the country's president, Hamid Karzai, to sign a long-delayed security agreement that will allow Nato-led forces to stay in the country after 2014.

[svinayak]

Dim Khan asks Pakistan, India to cooperate in civil N-tech
LAHORE, Dec 8: Both countries should set up a joint nuclear power plant in an area along the border with half of the staff hired from each country for building mutual trust,

All their nuclear power plants are "joint nuclear power plants" onlee

He wants people from TSP to come to India.
He wants armed men just like the attackers to Mumbai to come to India.

He wants business with India and also armed men to attack India again.

[Mahendra]

Even Mannu's silence is inspired by Djinnah's silence after his death

[Mahendra]

Anyway, why did Mannu say that Paki-satan cannot win a war with India during his lifetime? is he leaving an option of Paki-satan winning a war after his lifetime? Mannu should just shut up and leave all the rubbish speak to Pappu

Imagine this

Ganja Badmash " Cashme here is a nyooklear flashpoint"

Pappu " Escape velocity" " We must learn from Kejriwart's AAP, we will change in a way that you guys cannot imagine"

Ganja Badmash ****Facepalm*******

[anupmisra]

Iranian border forces fire rockets in bakistani territory

fired five rockets in Pakistan's bordering town of Panjgoor on Monday

The loud noise from the rockets were heard far and wide and caused panic in the area

The provincial home department official said Iranian border forces have fired rockets in Pakistani territory around 11 to 12 times during the last one-and-half months

"Even Iranian helicopters have violated our airspace,"

Whats a few rockets between brothers from another mother.

[Anujan]

Pakistan's nightmare.

I think the elections were rigged. None of the pakistanis I know supported BJP then how did BJP win the elections?

[Prem]

Pakistan's nightmare.
I think the elections were rigged. None of the pakistanis I know supported BJP then how did BJP win the elections?

No More nightmares for Pakistan after Modi bhai become PM. (Pakharamio ko neend nahi ayyegi tho nightmere kanha se ayyega?)

[LakshO]

Pakistan's nightmare.

I think the elections were rigged. None of the pakistanis I know supported BJP then how did BJP win the elections?

That's hilarious

[Prem]

Check the Photo, Hagel to Ganja, Dont take Panga, orr You will be Dollar Nanga

[Nandu]

Hagel to Ganja, Dont take Panga, orr Yiu will be Dollar Nanga

[RCase]

Hagel Saheb: (surprised.... ) What? Where is the bowl?
Ganja: What to do? Because of Paki dekhonomics, don't have one.

[Raja Bose]

Hagel Saheb: (surprised.... ) What? Where is the bowl?

Ganja: oh very sorry! Bowl is getting cleaned after purging due to GUBO, of last night's gosht and pindi channa.

[Ashok Sarraff]

Havel to Ganja: Did you wash your hands after wiping your chhchhi with dhela/rock as ordained by the Masli holy pook?

This is about the pic on the last page.

[Prem]

Singh to get another letter from Sharif on Friday

TGIF or TGIedF day?

ISLAMABAD - Prime Minister Nowaz Sharif will be sending another letter to his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh, reiterating an earlier invite to visit Pakistan while renewing his resolve for peace and constructive engagement with India.The letter this time will be carried by PM’s Special Assistant on Foreign Affairs, Tariq Fatemi, who will be travelling with Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif to India on Thursday.TheThe PML-N government is very keen that Manmohan comes to Pakistan before the general elections in India next year May. In India importance is being attached to Shahbaz Sharif’s visit as he is considered the most powerful figure in the ruling PML-N party after Nawaz Sharif.

Pakistan’s envoy Salmon Bashir, who said last week he saw “light at the end of the tunnel” in diplomatic relations, will also be present during the meeting with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Friday. According to sources PM’s key cabinet member Khawaja Asif, who holds the water and power portfolio with additional charge of defence, and minister of state for Privatization, Khurram Dastagir Khan, will also be accompanying the Punjab chief minister on his first visit to India in the present term. This could mean some cooperation in the power and economic sectors may be explored during the visit. Shahbaz Sharif is visiting India on the invitation of Indian Punjab Chief Minister to be the chief guest at the World Kabbadi Championship finals in Ludhiana on Saturday.Prime Ministers of the two countries have exchanged more than half a dozen letters since the PML-N won the May 11 elections in Pakistan. Although the two leaders have only met once in New York on the sidelines of UNGA in September they have been in touch with each other on relatively regular basis through exchange of letters, over the phone and through their special emissaries. Even when tensions peaked between the two neighbouring countries after the August 6 LoC flare-up, channels of communication remained open at the highest political level.While there are no signs of immediate resumption of the Pakistan-India composite dialogue which is an integral part of the peace process, calm has prevailed on the LoC since the two leaders last met in New York on September 29. Apparently back-channel contacts and some quiet diplomacy helped lower the tensions.