AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

[johneeG]

Just saw in TV news. Non-Telangana voters were removed from voters' list in some Hyderabad constituencies. Looks like Congress and TRS want sweep across Telangana including Hyderabad now.

Frankly saar, there is no wave for TRS in T. And there is severe anti-kongi wave in entire country(including T) because of misgovernance, corruption, and inflation. So, TRS and kongis are not going to sweep T regardless of the decision on T. TRS would be fools to ally with kongis after the drubbing they got in recent elections. Kongis are a liability to anyone rightnow.

[RajeshA]

The real reason for division of AP is still deeply burried secret.

There are some bread crumbs lying around.

Why was Sonia interested in Telangana-Rayalseema instead of just Telangana? Why is K. Chandrashekar Rao insisting on not having Rayalseema districts of Anantapur and Kurnool in Telangana?

May be it has to do with water, but may be it is simply because these are Muslim heavy districts and KCR does not want MIM to be too strong in Telangana.

But it can be viewed from a different angle. It was perhaps an effort to divide Andhra Pradesh between Islam and Christianity.

[Muppalla]

Regarding the real reason for AP split, I totally and respectfully disagree with the long-shot concepts here. EJism of Jagan or Old city MIM boy are too minuscule things in the eight crore population of AP. Had there been no TRS or PRP, in 2009 YSR could have lost the polls. Look at the meagre majorities in 163 seats of INC. The Jagan stuff is not invincible and I still doubt if he defeats TDP in SA region come 2014.

The real reason of AP split is simply to reduce political and business clout of Seemandhra elite. Just analyze chronologically from PVNR as PM times:
(1) PVNR is PM only because of AP MPs. In fact the south has decided that as there is no Gandhi icon, it is time to take power from South and he being the tallest of tall among southern states with a large contingent from AP on his side. That is the first exposure of AP's clout. Sharad Powar wanted to be PM but he lost out to PVNR
(2) PVNR enjoyed NTR and CBN's support though both are anti-congress (anti-dynasty)
(3) After the fall of PVNR, every government existed and prompted by CBN
(4) CBN even said no to Moopanar (Chidu's guru in TN congress) saying that he in not pure-non-congress. Instead they made IK Gujral as PM. This is an unforgettable moment for Chidu
(5) All the ABV governments has TDP as key component.
(6) IMPORTANT - During all these 12 year saga starting from 1992 till 2004 several unknown and invisible folks from AP suddenly looked like Ambanis. Look at GMR, the guy who used to sell Tamarind in Tuni (West Godavari Dt) now builds and operates Airports starting from Turkey, Malasia, Mali to Hyderabad. Numerous such folks can be given as examples. The AP politicos are just bunch of bizmen and not typical Indian politicians.
(7) The most pissing part for centre during this decade is resource allocations. AP gets priority treatments. For Golden Quadrilateral, AP gets completed in first phase.
(8) IMPORTANT - Compare this to UP politicos. Mulayam or Maya thinks they are next PMs as soon as they get 30+ LS seats. Where as AP idiots do all the Jewish stuff.
(9) Now comes the era of YSR. The same story with more demanding and goondagardi continued. No other state got so many water resource based projects got cleared. On one side they keep naming everything after Indira, Rajiv, Sonia and on the other side keep putting bamboo sticks into the dynasty. They made Sonia/Rahul as just dummies.
(10) AP has become a cut throat bania state with pure lobbying, demanding and using the 42 seat clout to back it.

Divide AP is not just a congress venture. It is an Indian venture to show the rampaging billionaire industrialist-political complex a place. When powerful YSR died, it is blessing in disguise to push TRS to forefront and make it big to sustain divide AP.

The only international plot was the plot to have no more shit called as national government such as ABV ones who quietly solve Kargil type stuff effectively while also get forcefully into Nuke club. These harkatein are a big no-no. The important reasons for such a venture is this southern viginity called AP. TDP has to be defeated and the so called Telugu pride has to punctured via TRS and hence TRS is born but the actual division of the state is India centric.

[Muppalla]

The real reason for division of AP is still deeply burried secret.

There are some bread crumbs lying around.

Why was Sonia interested in Telangana-Rayalseema instead of just Telangana? Why is K. Chandrashekar Rao insisting on not having Rayalseema districts of Anantapur and Kurnool in Telangana?

May be it has to do with water, but may be it is simply because these are Muslim heavy districts and KCR does not want MIM to be too strong in Telangana.

But it can be viewed from a different angle. It was perhaps an effort to divide Andhra Pradesh between Islam and Christianity.

KCR may be a crook but the above statement is not true. If at all there is any genuine case for Article 370 (that was given to JK or HP or Nagas) it should be to Telangana. The absolute oppressed and backward region has been mixed with completely entrepreneurial and cutthroat folks of adjoining Andhras. They needed a breathing space after the exit of Nizam as they are just not ready to compete with rest. On a flip side India cannot afford these islands of ART370s.

KCR's current movement is to bring some exclusivity from menacing Seemandhra folks. The massive land grabbers in T region are from Anantapur and Kurnool districts. What is the point of Telangana if you mix those un-wanted ones? Statistical backwardness in different from human backwardness. Telangana may be statistically less backward than Rayalaseema but humans in T region are more backward and laidback/lazy too as compared to RSeema.

The crux of the problem is that T movement is an exclusivist movement and hence there is so much tension and emotion. For public consumption the T region folks talk of let us divide like brothers etc. However, in reality everyone wants to throw the "settlers" ( a Nizam word) out of T region.

[hanumadu]

Muppalla garu, In the last few years, a lot of business men got rich not just AP business men. If you look at the rich list in India, AP does not figure anywhere near the top. Even if you compare within South India, AP businesses do not compare favorably. India was in a rapid growth phase in the last few years, and the Infrastructure companies did well not just AP ones. GMR won its airport and other infrastructure contracts fair and square in a competitive bidding. And those same companies along with companies from rest of India are suffering now because UPA f(ked up big time on the infrastructure front. As others have already pointed out, the central govt. does not have much leeway to allocate disproportionate assets to a particular state. It is a function of the tax receipts from the state. How the state utilized those resources is up to it.

Was there a phase 1 and phase 2 of GQ? If so, I am not aware it. Please provide some references to it. There are many other states which got bigger infrastructure projects. Some states even have six lane express ways.

--Added Later--
It is news to me that AP politicians are behind PVNR becoming the prime minister.

[Muppalla]

Hanumanudu Garu, most of AP based ones are sudden new and out of blue.

[Dasari]

The real reason for division of AP is still deeply burried secret.

There are some bread crumbs lying around.

Why was Sonia interested in Telangana-Rayalseema instead of just Telangana? Why is K. Chandrashekar Rao insisting on not having Rayalseema districts of Anantapur and Kurnool in Telangana?

May be it has to do with water, but may be it is simply because these are Muslim heavy districts and KCR does not want MIM to be too strong in Telangana.

But it can be viewed from a different angle. It was perhaps an effort to divide Andhra Pradesh between Islam and Christianity.

A month ago division almost looked as done deal. Once KCR made categorical decision of not merging with congress, the entire division went one sided as it became a pitching contest between TRS and Congress on who gets the most credit. So if KCR demanded x, Congress gave x+1. Otherwise, from T point of view, RT made sense as it paves easy passage in assembly which is the most critical hurdle to overcome. It is fortunate for SA that the deal was rejected. Had the deal been not this one sided, the reaction from SA would not have been this strong.

Although the division is not permanently dead, when it happens 2-3 years from now, it will happen from a very weak position of T separatists. This would be more true if BJP has nothing to show in T, but they mechanically support it out of misguided ideology. It will happen out of desperation from T separatists to come this close to the goal , yet not able to fulfill their dream, and with fully awakened SA the target is moving away. T separatists will rue what a chance that they lost.

[hanumadu]

Hanumanudu Garu, most of AP based ones are sudden new and out of blue.

Can you list them, the sudden and out of the blue ones?

[kmkraoind]

Hanumanudu Garu, most of AP based ones are sudden new and out of blue.

Initially GMR (Vishakapatnam) is the main stakeholder in Vysya Bank. When banking sector liberalized, he sold his stake to ING and invested that money in BAIL. Once he got to know the trade tricks of running airports, he started venturing out, so its not out of blue.

Regarding Lanco. It was medium infra player (doing contacts throughout India). After liberalization, they become big. No doubt, his political association with Congress helped it.

Regarding GVK. Ditto to that of Lanco.

Regarding Gaali brothers. They had a company called Ennoble, similar to Peerless. Luckily, they invested the collected money in iron mines and they got luck in it. They ventured into politics and took help of Sri Ramulu (his BIL is a famous Robinhood with greater muscle power in Bellary slums) and BJP just to counter Kamma leaders like Diwakar Babu. Once YSR got famous and become CM, he just resumed old links and rest is history.

To be frank, YSR sucked Satyam and Deccan holdings a big. Had it not been YSR's blackmail-corruption lure, AP would have another 2 big industrial/biz houses. Compared to Sahara, these AP businesses looks minions.

One thing is sure, the surplus wealth generated by fertile Kosta produced good traders and PWD contractors who had stretchered throughout India.

[ramana]

Satyam was sucked dry by YSR and the bankruptcy resulted. Had talked to Raju extended family members. Some of them are working as help in friends' homes.
Deccan Holdings I was not aware. I thought DH was a empty scam and they are facing the music now.
DH big blunder was going to Chennai for they got the Hindu riled up.

[kmkraoind]

During RE boom, YSR facilitated big land purchases for a price. Thinking that they got political cover, they mortgaged everything and bought shoddy lands, thinking that their hafta to YSR will give political cover.
YSR death resulted.
1. No political cover to muscle out shoddy land deals, so their investment become dead or stuck in litigation.
2. Their monies get stretched thin by financing DC.

Some of AP business groups that have vanished or lost limbs due to YSR.
1. Penna Group.
2. Hetero Drugs and Aurobindo Pharma.

Only Sangi Group (Vaartha news paper famous) escaped with minor bruises.

[hanumadu]

Hanumanudu Garu, most of AP based ones are sudden new and out of blue.

Initially GMR (Vishakapatnam) is the main stakeholder in Vysya Bank. When banking sector liberalized, he sold his stake to ING and invested that money in BAIL. Once he got to know the trade tricks of running airports, he started venturing out, so its not out of blue.

Regarding Lanco. It was medium infra player (doing contacts throughout India). After liberalization, they become big. No doubt, his political association with Congress helped it.

Regarding GVK. Ditto to that of Lanco.

Regarding Gaali brothers. They had a company called Ennoble, similar to Peerless. Luckily, they invested the collected money in iron mines and they got luck in it. They ventured into politics and took help of Sri Ramulu (his BIL is a famous Robinhood with greater muscle power in Bellary slums) and BJP just to counter Kamma leaders like Diwakar Babu. Once YSR got famous and become CM, he just resumed old links and rest is history.

To be frank, YSR sucked Satyam and Deccan holdings a big. Had it not been YSR's blackmail-corruption lure, AP would have another 2 big industrial/biz houses. Compared to Sahara, these AP businesses looks minions.

One thing is sure, the surplus wealth generated by fertile Kosta produced good traders and PWD contractors who had stretchered throughout India.

GVK was bigger than GMR from earlier times. Its only recently GMR overtook GVK and other AP players. And GMR and GVK are not politicians unlike Lanco. Lanco is the newer of them all, but grew most aggressively especially in the power sector. It put most of its eggs in the power basket and power players (including GVK, GMR and other Indian companies) are being killed by the UPA government with lack of fuel for coal and gas based projects. Its ironic, the same government Lagadapati is part of is proving to be detrimental to his company. He should get out of UPA and get on the NDA band wagon. But, if the govt. gets its act together, Lanco will benefit the most as its power generating capacity is already huge and is set to become even bigger.

[Muppalla]

kmkraoind garu,
If I have shop for multiple decades but suddenly I become big is what I call Out of blue.
Lanco's growth was too steep. Same with GMR too. I am not at all saying they are wrong. They just did like any others in India.

Few more examples:
(1) http://www.bgrcorp.com/ This is a 1993 Chennai based company and on Forbes list. BGR is from Nellore.
(2) http://www.divislabs.com/ Another forbes company based out of Hyd and Vizag
(I don't have energy to write details but the following are one of the small lists.)

1.Rama Krishna Velagapudi - Industrialist (KCP Group) and ICS officer.#Yarlagadda Venkanna Chowdary- Freedom Fighter,Industrialist,President of Andhra Chamber of Commerce,Chennai,Film Producer,Recipient of President's Gold Medal for his internationally acclaimed movie Nammina Bantu#Harish Chandra Prasad Mullapudi - Industrialist and founder of Andhra Sugars.#K.V.R. Chowdary - S.R.M.T Industrial conglomerate comprising Road trasport, Motor manufacturing and TATA dealership for South India.#Jasti Sri Krishna Murthy - Industrialist, Chairman, HBC Group & Genaral Secretary Vignan Jyothi Educational Institutions#Dr. M.V.V.S. Murthi - Industrialist, Founder of VBC Group and Founder/President of GITAM.#Rajendra Prasad Maganti - Soma Enterprises - National Infrastructure Industry.#Rajagopal Lagadapati - Lanco Group - Construction, Hydel Power, Software & Film Production.#Murali Mohan Maganti - Jayabheri Group - Real Estate and Film Production.#Samba Siva Rao Rayapati - Jayalakshmi Group - Tobacco, Cotton and Tea Trade.#Challa Rajendra Prasad - Continental Coffee Limited (CCL) , coffee processing & exports.#M. Yugandhar & C.Pardhasaradhy - Karvy Consultants, premier integrated financial services provider, and ranked among the top five in the country #Chowdarayya Sadineni - Dhanalaksmi Group- Cotton & Tobacco Trading.#Ram Chandra Naidu Galla - Amara Raja Batteries. #Venkata Subbaiah Naidu Gogineni - Mica Mines & Gold Mines.#Punnaiah Panda - Navabharat Ferro Alloys & Beardsell Ltd.#Venkateswara Rao Yamparala - Chilli baron.#K.L.N. Prasad - Andhra Jyothy, Lakshmi films, M D, Andhra Bank before it was nationalized.#Jai Ramesh Dasari - Vijai Electricals Ltd#Lokesh Machines Limited - Mullapudi Lokeswara Rao.#Satya Narayana Chowdary Yalamanchili - Sujana Group Of Industries (Padmini fans, Power generation, Heavy Engineering etc).#Suresh Kumar Bandi - Vizag Profiles- Steel Trading & IT Industry.#V. C. Nannapaneni - NATCO Pharma.#Krishna Ella - Bharat Biotech.#Venkat Jasti - Suven Pharma.#Radha Krishna Murthy Jetty - Jetty's Pharmaceuticals.#Ravindranath Tagore Ravi - Krebs Chemicals.#Potluri Ramesh Babu - SMS Pharmaceuticals#Prasad Nimmagadda - Matrix Labs.#Murali Divi - Divis Labs.#Samba Siva Rao Kavuri - Progressive Constructions.#Venkataswamy Nannapaneni - J. V. R Constructions.#Nageswara Rao Nama - Madhucon Constructions.#Nageswara Rao Vallurupalli - Southern Engineering Works (SEW) Constructions.#Rama Krishna Potluri - Siticable, Pioneer of A.P.'s cable TV sector. #Prabhakara Rao Mandava - Nuziveedu Seeds.Venkateswarlu - Kakatiya Cements.#Sheshagiri Rao Jasthy - Suvarna Cements.#Krishnama Naidu Dhondapati - Kaluga EME / Associate Power Team.#Anjaneyulu Kakkera - Trinetra Super Markets.#Hanumantha Rao Paruchuri - Pragati Offset Printers.#Dr. Jayaram Chigurupati - Zenotech Labs #Dr. S. P. Vasireddy - Vimta Labs#Rajasekhar Devineni - One of the 500 richest in India for Year 2005.#Krishna Prasad Chigurupati - Granules India Limited; Manufacturing of Pharmaceutical Formulations Intermediates.#Seenaiah and Ramayya Bollineni - B. Seenaiah and company - Constructions and Krishna Institute of Medical Sciences.#Sridhar Kamineni - Oil Country Tubular (OCTL)#Krishna Prasad Tripuraneni - Spartek Ceramics.#Dr. G. N. Naidu - Regency Ceramics.#Venkata Rao Muppana - Venkat Rao and Company - Constructions - Vishakapatnam and Goa#Madan Mohan Yalamanchili- M D of Capital IQ India.#Raj Koneru - Indiainfo.com and one of the Founders of Intelligroup.#Sudheer Koneru - Sum Total Systems #Arjun Valluri - Chairmen of Lanco Global Solutions, Founder of Intelligroup.#Anil Kumar Jampala - Vice-President, Satyam Computer Services Ltd.,#Madala Sudhakar - Chairman & M D JanaChaitanya Housing Ltd.#Mr Cherukuri Harish & Kodali Srinivas - Priyadarshini Spinning Mills Ltd.#Nara Chandrababu Naidu - Chief Promoter, Heritage Foods.#Alluri Venkateswara Rao - Avanti Feeds; Aqua Industry.#D. Ramakrishna - Efftronics Systems, IT services.#Madhavi Uppalapati - Prithvi Information Solutions#Abburi Vidyasagar - Avantel, IT services#Valluri Venkatesh - Agilent Technologies, world's premier measurement company.#Parvathaneni Subash Chandra Bose - Navata Road Transport.#Kambhampati Rammohan Rao - Laxmi Motors (Laxmi Hyundai)#Valluripalli Prabhu kishore - Varun Motors.#Modepalle BabuRao - G S B Forge.#Yarlagadda Harish Chandra Prasad - Malaxmi group - Infrastructure/Power generation.#Krishna Murthy Koneru - Vijaya Ferroalloys#Yarlagadda Krishna Mohan Chowdary - Hellosoft, Signal processing technology.#Chinta Visweswara Rao - Chairman and Managing director Navayuga group of companies ltd#Ramakrishna P Musunuri - Macro Media Digital Imaging (P) Ltd#Karunendra S jasti - Stypack (P) Ltd & EC Member FAPPCI#Bellam Kotaiah - Tobacco exporter & Industrialist, Ongole#Damacherla Anjaneyulu - Tobacco exporter, Industrialist & Ex.Minister of Endowments.

The above is just one community and searching the coming got those results. If we search another community we get another tonne. Most of these folks talk 10s of millions of dollars and not rupees.

We all need to understand one thing, before PVNR/CBN era, AP is truly a BIMARU type state. The biz, infra growth has put into league of growth states.

[hanumadu]

The above is just one community and searching the coming got those results. If we search another community we get another tonne. Most of these folks talk 10s of millions of dollars and not rupees.

We all need to understand one thing, before PVNR/CBN era, AP is truly a BIMARU type state. The biz, infra growth has put into league of growth states.

But so was the rest of India. Why single out AP industrialists? Your list has no meaning unless you have historical figures for them and can show only companies from AP grew rapidly compared to the rest of India.

--Added Later--
And how many of these are politicians like you mentioned earlier?

[hanumadu]

Satyam was sucked dry by YSR and the bankruptcy resulted. Had talked to Raju extended family members. Some of them are working as help in friends' homes.
Deccan Holdings I was not aware. I thought DH was a empty scam and they are facing the music now.
DH big blunder was going to Chennai for they got the Hindu riled up.

I think the news paper business is still OK. Its their retail venture and some aviation venture seems to be where they screwed up big time.

[Muppalla]

^^^^
Doesn't it take time to do such a research? When did I say others did not grow?

Important thing is AP was nowhere in the picture before 90s. It is as good as Bihar, UP with a bunch of public sector industries. While the industrialists just grew exponentially, the biz-politico lobbied to get even the allocations and loans to AP. Understand that when NTR returned back, the state is bankrupt and cheques

Here is anotherlist.

The guy on number 99 is my neighbor. Point to note is see their volumes and the steep growth in from 90s.

The important point is see how many of them are LS MPs and RS MPs. You can find atleast 10 in politics. The kind of lobbying world that they have built around.

Also, tell me one reason why HYD should have US consulate. Bangalore is truly an IT city and bigger than any other Indian IT city. Bill Clinton comes to HYD instead of Bangalore during his visit and talks IT. All these things are so visible how these players played it out.

In addition, think about the ports and petro corridors of Kakinada being built during UPA. You allocate a road or an industry and then the entire land is just exponential growth. The guys who own them makes a killing.

Why not in Orissa or Bihar or some other NE state?

They took the politics to a different plane compared to what it used to be and that was the irritating point for the central admin. The feeling to divide this state is strong in the administration.

[ShyamSP]

The above is just one community and searching the coming got those results. If we search another community we get another tonne. Most of these folks talk 10s of millions of dollars and not rupees.

We all need to understand one thing, before PVNR/CBN era, AP is truly a BIMARU type state. The biz, infra growth has put into league of growth states.

But so was the rest of India. Why single out AP industrialists? Your list has no meaning unless you have historical figures for them and can show only companies from AP grew rapidly compared to the rest of India.

--Added Later--
And how many of these are politicians like you mentioned earlier?

Most are not. In fact I thought Lagadapati was politician-businessman. From the scribd book I posed on caste capitialists, I came to know he became politician only after becoming successful businessman. Of course he used political connections - TDP to expand Lanco in AP and INC to further expand Lanco to other states.

As I mentioned earlier, these polticians-businessmen need to spread their wings beyond Congress should they expand their businesses further. This is exactly what Lagadapati is doing.

[Lilo]

IMPORTANT - During all these 12 year saga starting from 1992 till 2004 several unknown and invisible folks from AP suddenly looked like Ambanis. Look at GMR, the guy who used to sell Tamarind in Tuni (West Godavari Dt) now builds and operates Airports starting from Turkey, Malasia, Mali to Hyderabad. Numerous such folks can be given as examples. The AP politicos are just bunch of bizmen and not typical Indian politicians....

Muppala ji,
Are you a communist by any chance ?
You talk as if becoming rich through enterprise itself is a big crime. So what if the GMR guy was selling tamarind in Tuni. He dared to look out of his well - worked his ass off and made money. Same with Ramoji rao(head of eenadu group) selling pickles on a bicycle in the big city. So if there is a rags to riches story from SA it's somehow unpalatable to T folk ?
Unless you point out specific instances of exploitation by private Seemandhra origin companies on t region folk you can as well stop this Naxalbari level propaganda.

With zamindari system in nizam's T, (in contrast to rest of AP under british which largely had relatively benign ryotwari) ,T was dealt the bad hand with your history of blood sucking T origin Dora's (zamindars) released over you by Nizam. But then thats in the murky history. Now you are in a common state and people from allover converge on the state's capital and invest their money in the land and the city's future. Now you see in these common folk the new zamindars and bring out the commie outrage .
That T people had to the fight your own zamindars to overthrow them in preindependence doesn't mean that you need keep on fighting while applying the same categories onto people in independent India who legitimately come to invest their money and do business in Hyderabad( a large state's capital - this is not somebody's family estate -almost all of its Infra growth happened after it became the AP state capital in 1950s) and surrounding areas. Its not your money taken from your pockets . So enough of this commie outrage politics based on a dummy premise.

You yourself acknowledge that statistics show T region(excluding Hyderabad) is better off (compared to Rayalaseema and North Coastal) and yet attach some arbitrary unmentiontioned and "unmeasurable" metric of backwardness to only T region's "people". Yet display your obvious ignorance when commenting about the really under developed parts of whole AP like Srikakulam. I remember your comments in the cyclone thread that Srikakulam looks "all developed" there are tar roads being shown on TV ! , What's the talk about being backward ? etc. You can see what you want to see on TV , but tell me why the statistics show it and the adjacent Vijayanagaram districts as the least developed two districts of AP ?

This current T outrage politics on an imagined grouse of underdevelopment reminds me of the telangana commie uprising continuing against imagined enemy( even after real enemy the Razakars have been vanquished) of independent India after operation polo.

[Yagnasri]

Aravindo pharma has not failed company. Even Got their shares. Purchased when bad news coverage and earned 80% more. Good business. Forced to pay Jagan and lost reputation. Have some good products. Exports also.

[Lilo]

...
Also, tell me one reason why HYD should have US consulate. Bangalore is truly an IT city and bigger than any other Indian IT city. Bill Clinton comes to HYD instead of Bangalore during his visit and talks IT. All these things are so visible how these players played it out.

In addition, think about the ports and petro corridors of Kakinada being built during UPA. You allocate a road or an industry and then the entire land is just exponential growth. The guys who own them makes a killing.

Why not in Orissa or Bihar or some other NE state?

They took the politics to a different plane compared to what it used to be and that was the irritating point for the central admin. The feeling to divide this state is strong in the administration

Bihar can have no ports as its landlocked, same with NE. Orissa has many port projects being operationalized which were not there in 20th century.

Just because SA people whom you know in are getting rich through their contacts in their own community doesn't mean that they are becoming rich by exploiting rest of India or especially T folk. There is a huge leap of logic being made when T vaadis use the words "exploitation" wrt SA's.

[kmkraoind]

^^^^
They took the politics to a different plane compared to what it used to be and that was the irritating point for the central admin. The feeling to divide this state is strong in the administration.

Yep, not only in business and lobbying, even in education and jobs, their spread is much wider and stronger than any other state. Just see, how many coaching centers in AP produce graduates to all top notch colleges of India and abroad. In western countries, they earned nick name of Gulatis by their fellow Indian brethren.

In fact, if small states are needed, Divide AP into 4 states. Telengana, Kosta, Rayalaseema and Greater Hyderabad. Revenues of Greater Hyderabad should be shared in 35+30+15 plus 20% for Hyderabad itself.

[Muppalla]

IMPORTANT - During all these 12 year saga starting from 1992 till 2004 several unknown and invisible folks from AP suddenly looked like Ambanis. Look at GMR, the guy who used to sell Tamarind in Tuni (West Godavari Dt) now builds and operates Airports starting from Turkey, Malasia, Mali to Hyderabad. Numerous such folks can be given as examples. The AP politicos are just bunch of bizmen and not typical Indian politicians....

Muppala ji,
Are you a communist by any chance ?
You talk as if becoming rich through enterprise itself is a big crime. So what if the GMR guy was selling tamarind in Tuni. He dared to look out of his well - worked his ass off and made money. Same with Ramoji rao(head of eenadu group) selling pickles on a bicycle in the big city. So if there is a rags to riches story from SA it's somehow unpalatable to T folk ?
Unless you point out specific instances of exploitation by private Seemandhra origin companies on t region folk you can as well stop this Naxalbari level propaganda.

With zamindari system in nizam's T, (in contrast to rest of AP under british which largely had relatively benign ryotwari) ,T was dealt the bad hand with your history of blood sucking T origin Dora's (zamindars) released over you by Nizam. But then thats in the murky history. Now you are in a common state and people from allover converge on the state's capital and invest their money in the land and the city's future. Now you see in these common folk the new zamindars and bring out the commie outrage .
That T people had to the fight your own zamindars to overthrow them in preindependence doesn't mean that you need keep on fighting while applying the same categories onto people in independent India who legitimately come to invest their money and do business in Hyderabad( a large state's capital - this is not somebody's family estate -almost all of its Infra growth happened after it became the AP state capital in 1950s) and surrounding areas. Its not your money taken from your pockets . So enough of this commie outrage politics based on a dummy premise.

You yourself acknowledge that statistics show T region(excluding Hyderabad) is better off (compared to Rayalaseema and North Coastal) and yet attach some arbitrary unmentiontioned and "unmeasurable" metric of backwardness to only T region's "people". Yet display your obvious ignorance when commenting about the really under developed parts of whole AP like Srikakulam. I remember your comments in the cyclone thread that Srikakulam looks "all developed" there are tar roads being shown on TV ! , What's the talk about being backward ? etc. You can see what you want to see on TV , but tell me why the statistics show it and the adjacent Vijayanagaram districts as the least developed two districts of AP ?

This current T outrage politics on an imagined grouse of underdevelopment reminds me of the telangana commie uprising continuing against imagined enemy( even after real enemy the Razakars have been vanquished) of independent India after operation polo.

Lilo garu, did I say anything at all above that you are ascribing to me? Did I even criticize any industrialists? Show me one post or one line that you are writing about me. I am putting my neck out and making it clear again. I wrote the same when Devesh bring in land reforms etc. Where did I say SA exploited?

AP wealthy grew just like any others in India did grow. Its wealthy took advantage of the political clout they have built inside congress party and also TDP during the coalition era. A BIMARU type of a state couple of decades ago got into growth oriented states. That is all I said. It got both private sector folks via contracts growing and also got public sector stuff saying we are backward region. This whole thing of garnering resource and project allocations has become irritating and hence the clamor to "let us cut the crap of these guys" started. The clamor got a good frontend in the form of TRS and small states drivel to pull the triggers.


In addition, I was replying to the secret of plot to divide AP. T demand and succumbing to T demand is a crap which the front end. This is the reality in my view (you all can disagree and go for the looong shot EJ and Muslim theories)

[hanumadu]

The important point is see how many of them are LS MPs and RS MPs. You can find atleast 10 in politics. The kind of lobbying world that they have built around.

Also, tell me one reason why HYD should have US consulate. Bangalore is truly an IT city and bigger than any other Indian IT city. Bill Clinton comes to HYD instead of Bangalore during his visit and talks IT. All these things are so visible how these players played it out.

Sure, there are too many industrialist/politicians which is not good. But that seems to be the norm all over India. The Jaypee group is in cahoots with Mayawati. So, it becomes a necessity to become a politician if only to counter other peoples political influence. No use finding fault with AP folks when every body else seems to be doing the same.

[Muppalla]

Sure, there are too many industrialist/politicians which is not good. But that seems to be the norm all over India. The Jaypee group is in cahoots with Mayawati. So, it becomes a necessity to become a politician if only to counter other peoples political influence. No use finding fault with AP folks when every body else seems to be doing the same.

Where did I find fault. Someone got an opportunity to kick these AP's ass and are utilizing it by going ahead with the split. For them one less lobby the better room to do their biz in their way. By the way in Coastal region it is no more one or two. It is either the folks directly contest or their proxies contest. Rajya Sabha means just industrialists only. All the non-reserved seats are like that these days.

[hanumadu]

Telangana may be statistically less backward than Rayalaseema but humans in T region are more backward and laidback/lazy too as compared to RSeema.

This is more BS from you. T folks cannot afford to be laid back and lazy. They have to work twice as hard to produce half as much as the coastal folks. When you have no surplus savings or nothing to fall back on, you are limited in what you can do.

[Muppalla]

This is more BS from you. T folks cannot afford to be laid back and lazy. They have to work twice as hard to produce half as much as the coastal folks. When you have no surplus savings or nothing to fall back on, you are limited in what you can do.

Whatever. The backwardness just does not come because of agriculture only. It has a cultural aspect too. In terms of statistics both Rayalaseema and Telangana has same backwardness. But getting jobs, businesses etc, folks from Rayalaseema are better off than T folks. It is also documented by various folks (see even the sri Krishna report). Calling everything as bs is good ploy.

T-region under Nizam was very much an abandoned region and hence the population takes time to get into competitive world. They are there but still lot more to get there.

Seems like truth hurts I guess

[Lilo]

KCR may be a crook but the above statement is not true. If at all there is any genuine case for Article 370 (that was given to JK or HP or Nagas) it should be to Telangana. The absolute oppressed and backward region has been mixed with completely entrepreneurial and cutthroat folks of adjoining Andhras. They needed a breathing space after the exit of Nizam as they are just not ready to compete with rest. On a flip side India cannot afford these islands of ART370s.

KCR's current movement is to bring some exclusivity from menacing Seemandhra folks. The massive land grabbers in T region {which region of T if not Hyderabad , and who are these landgrabbers} are from Anantapur and Kurnool districts. What is the point of Telangana if you mix those un-wanted ones? Statistical backwardness in different from human backwardness. Telangana may be statistically less backward than Rayalaseema but humans in T region are more backward and laidback/lazy too as compared to RSeema.

The crux of the problem is that T movement is an exclusivist movement and hence there is so much tension and emotion. For public consumption the T region folks talk of let us divide like brothers etc. However, in reality everyone wants to throw the "settlers" ( a Nizam word) out of T region

Muppala ji,
I high lighted some stuff which you have written and which I related to in the message by T ideologues in their televised vituperative s on SAs.

Re alleged resource allocation:
What ever you say applies to Karnataka too in 90s .
The fact is there was an IT revolution in the late 90s and Hyderabad and Bangalore were the first movers compared to say Bihar and UP. These cities became metores and they brought in the investment from rest of the state and country in tow.
Along with the revenue generated by these cities rest of the state too developed in basic infra. So its not AP garnering the bulk of India's meagre resources to screw the rest as you allege and come out of BIMARU status.
In fact I remember CBN regularly going to world bank bowl in hand asking for loans in late 90s.

And Muppala Garu , tell me when KCR formed his TRS in 2000s with CongI support and got favorable result for TRS in pockets of T in 2004 based on T demand. Then why is the same CongI govt initiated jalayagnam is being raised to point fingers of greed on AP state ?
You speak as if YSR and High command and TRS are in opposing camps - when they have a common understanding between them to make money and capture and retain political power.
What exactly are the projects which CBN got to AP state to the disadvantage of rest of India and especially T that merit your labeling his govt too in the above mafiaesqe business practice ?

[hanumadu]

This is more BS from you. T folks cannot afford to be laid back and lazy. They have to work twice as hard to produce half as much as the coastal folks. When you have no surplus savings or nothing to fall back on, you are limited in what you can do.

Whatever. The backwardness just does not come because of agriculture only. It has a cultural aspect too. In terms of statistics both Rayalaseema and Telangana has same backwardness. But getting jobs, businesses etc, folks from Rayalaseema are better off than T folks. It is also documented by various folks (see even the sri Krishna report). Calling everything as bs is good ploy.

T-region under Nizam was very much an abandoned region and hence the population takes time to get into competitive world. They are there but still lot more to get there.

Seems like truth hurts I guess

When till recently 60% of the people depended on agriculture, that is the deciding factor on how economies evolve. Its not just agriculture, all ventures need assured water supply. Do you see any industries in Telangana? What do you think is the reason? Not even small scale industries survive in Telangana. Even drinking water is a problem in Telangana.

But I agree with you that Andhra businesses are unscrupulous and dishonest. Either T people have to become like them or separate from them. We have taken the honorable option of separating from them.

[Muppalla]

And Muppala Garu , tell me when KCR formed his TRS in 2000s with CongI support and got favorable result for TRS in pockets of T in 2004 based on T demand.

Then why is the same CongI govt initiated jalayagnam is being raised to point fingers of greed on AP state ?

You speak as if YSR and High command and TRS are in opposing camps - when they have a common understanding between them to make money and capture and retain political power.

What exactly are the projects which CBN got to AP state to the disadvantage of rest of India and especially T that merit your labeling his govt too in the above mafiaesqe business practice ?

Chalo, I have lot of time as I am on vacation

Sir jee, TRS is nothing and we have seen it in 2009 elections. KCR himself may have lost his seat. We all know that very well. In this context if we keep bringing in local Telangana rhetoric then this discussion gets muddled up. Let me first re phrase question that Narayana Rao wrote (what is the secret behind AP division by central forces):

My rephrasing is "The T-movement would have been easily crushed aside after 2009 elections. Why is it resurrected after YSR's death" TRS and rhetoric by T-agitations has no relevance to this context. Why do you keep bringing in TRS, KCR into this picture. That muddles and confuses a lot.

Here you have to explore why there is an adamant-ness to central admin in a spirit of " We have to divide this bloody AP by hook or crook ". All my posts above are just related to this. Hence this KCR, T-reasoning has no place. Please read again. I said nothing as wrong as you are ascribing to me. It is a God sent opportunity for some to exploit the request for division.

Regarding my reply (to Rajesh A) that you are quoting above, it is a true fact that T-folks for reason good or bad want an exclusive state for the districts that are created from Nizam areas. It is a fact they don't like to associate with Andhras or Seema and hence they will not like Rayala Telangana. We have discussed good bad etc over T thread. I don't agree with any of their reasons but that is a fact.

Regarding Jalayagnam, why same stuff is not there in other states? Why only AP? Why not in Maharashtra? Orissa? There are several areas of water resources development potential to several states. This is the main complaint from some babus too.

Regarding CBN, even Laloo had problems with him in the way he lobbies his subjects in Delhi. It is too much to write. If you dig that timeline you will get it.

It is important to note that INC expects its CMs to be yes mans like Chavan or a Gehlot or a KKR or a Rosiah. They hate the guts of YSR or a Hooda types. When YSR died had there been no Jagan they probably would not have gone in the route they took. The history has caught up on them regarding how to control this state's politics and hence they jumped on to it.

But I agree with you that Andhra businesses are unscrupulous and dishonest. Either T people have to become like them or separate from them. We have taken the honorable option of separating from them.

I did not say so. you are putting words into mine hence that is your view and not mine.

[devesh]

Muppalla garu, you've finally narrowed it down. the T-demand is all about reducing the competition from Kosta. Telangana required a certain amount of time to reform itself, and not immediately be burdened by "cutthroat" practices of the migrants.

why has not any of the T CM's finished a single term in office? even the great PVNR was booted out mercilessly by foisting a "Jai Andhra" on him.

why is it that Kosta elites have such a deep aversion to having a Telangana CM? if they have such disdain for us, why do they want this "united" state?

[ramana]

In late 90s CBN had a Mackinsey survey of AP done with the top IAS bureaucrats being sceonded to do the work. Then 2004 came and he lost. YSR dusted off the report and got it implemented with his hafta for madam and himself. JalYagnam was a CBN time project to bring waters for irrigation to make AP a green(shasya shamalam) state. Then he transferred the IAS guy as he wasnt allowing loot to agriculture. The latter went to Centre (MMS is his old DSE adviser) and got even more budget for that department to promote the benefits of irrigation.

[devesh]

I'll stick my neck out on this one: so CBN basically had a report made and kept in a shelf gathering dust. YSR took it off the shelf and actually implemented it.

looks as if CBN wasn't convinced about the utility of those projects.

but YSR the shrewd opportunist realized he'd just found a mine of gold with no claimants.

[Muppalla]

Muppalla garu, you've finally narrowed it down. the T-demand is all about reducing the competition from Kosta. Telangana required a certain amount of time to reform itself, and not immediately be burdened by "cutthroat" practices of the migrants.

why has not any of the T CM's finished a single term in office? even the great PVNR was booted out mercilessly by foisting a "Jai Andhra" on him.

why is it that Kosta elites have such a deep aversion to having a Telangana CM? if they have such disdain for us, why do they want this "united" state?

We are all having some biases in our back of our minds and hence we think the way we thing. If we try to get out then we can probably get good answers.

First of all PVNR was not booted out because he is from T. Compare the same situation of why T.Prakasam was booted out. A Brahmin CM in the midst and on top of that if someone tries a socialistic wealth distribution mechanics, that person will not survive. Both of them were booted out for the same reason. But for everything we just get into T Vs non-T as the current affairs demand.

Regarding Kosta elites not-liking T CM is also not right. There was no coastal CM (I believe after a puppet called Bhavanam Venkataram) and off course NTR. Most of the CMs are from Rayalaseema including YSR. Why would they easily go with seema CM and why not from T. The questions should be why a Seema guy can put the kosta guy in his place and why not a T guy cannot do the same?

The T guy need to build a business deal. "Okay boss this Warangal lands will be given to you but you need to put an industry here and 15% share has to come to me along with your vizag shipping company share to my son" should be the language. How many T-politicians are capable for such things? Probably Chenna Reddy and that is all. There is neither decent not usefulness from T-politicians. One can develop self and region in both using good ways and not so good ways.

Added later:
Regarding why they want united AP, they have got their investments all covered with a 10 yr HYD stuff.(by the way greater HYD). They will do till the end for the clout portion and that is what we are seeing.

I personally don't think this division will server anything from Telangana. India has changed from 1950s and growth is all private sector oriented and capital oriented. With 17 MPs and a splintered polity there is no lobbying power to get any central funds. They have to depend on investments from everyone. Mamta or even Nitish could not get any extra help from center so far.

[ramana]

No CBN was serious and wanted to implement after the elections. Misfortunately he lost to YSR.

[ramana]

And PVNR told K Rosiah(as told to a friend) that he has to be wary as he won't be allowed to rule!

BTW PVNR shone in the national scene as AP was too small for his talents.

[Rony]

IBTL ‏@IndiaBTL 16h

Prediction for 42 seats of Andhra Pradesh

BJP 2 (+2)
Congress 3 (-30)
TDP 18 (+12)
TRS 10 (+8)
YSRC 8 (+8)
MIM 1 (0)

Total Rout for Congress

[Muppalla]

Rony garu that looks pretty reasonable. Here are couple of news:

Storm clouds loom over AP House

Speaker Nadendla Manohar, who is monitoring preparations for the brief seven-day sitting, said the House might be reassembled later at short notice if the Andhra Pradesh Reorganisation Bill 2013 was not referred to him by the end of the session.

Although any “head count” in the Andhra House will not have any bearing on the Centre’s decision to divide the state, Congress chief minister N. Kiran Kumar Reddy has openly challenged the Centre to get the bill passed in Parliament after the draft is “rejected” by the Assembly.

The Congress has 156 MLAs in the 294-member House, but the party’s Seemandhra legislators are against a division of the state.

As part of their campaign to stall the bifurcation, Reddy and leader of Opposition N. Chandrababu Naidu, whose Telugu Desam Party has 79 MLAs, have both written separate letters to the President to not deviate from the “traditional procedure of bifurcation” set by the erstwhile NDA government while creating new states like Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand and Uttarakhand.

The Assemblies of these three states had passed resolutions seeking bifurcation and forwarded the resolutions to the Centre to be placed before Parliament in the form of a reorganisation bill, which was later sent to the President. In Andhra’s case, the Union cabinet cleared a note on carving out a Telangana state and sent it to the President directly.

Y.S. Jaganmohan Reddy’s YSRC, which has 18 MLAs, is also against bifurcation. Only the TRS, the BJP, which has three legislators, and the CPI (4 MLAs) are firmly for a Telangana state. The seven-member MIM is concerned only about Hyderabad, which, it says, should not be made a Union territory or even the common capital.

Creation of Telangana unlikely before Lok Sabha polls

NEW DELHI: In what will mark a terrible blow to Congress's calculations for 2014, the window for creation of Telangana seems to have shrunk acutely, with the growing possibility that the division of Andhra Pradesh may not happen before the Lok Sabha elections.

Even as President Pranab Mukherjee sent the Telangana bill to the Andhra assembly and gave the legislature six week time to get back with its views, Congress has severely overshot the timeline for creation of the new state with the bifurcation likely to be brought to Parliament in the budget session expected to be convened next month for the government to seek vote-on-account.

There are doubts if the bill would even be taken up and passed in the last session before Lok Sabha polls since the outfits opposed to Telangana would be aware that obstructing Parliament for one session would stall it for good. Given the high political stakes for Congress, BJP — though firmly arrayed on the side of Telangana — is unlikely to be proactive in rushing relief to the government.

"It looks like we will go to Lok Sabha polls with united Andhra," a senior Congress leader conceded, lamenting that the process for creation of the separate state was not initiated in time.

Congress has been hoping to sweep Telangana's 19 Lok Sabha seats on the emotive issue of statehood and cut its losses in Andhra Pradesh which powered the party to government in 2004 and 2009, but where it will suffer severe damage. With the Telangana move coming unstuck, the party runs the risk of being punished both in Telangana and Seemandhra regions.

While it will be at the receiving end of a possible outrage over "betrayal" of the Telangana cause, the Seemandhra region, where YSR Congress appears to be riding high, has already been seething with resentment against the plan to split the state and "snatch" Hyderabad from them.

Party managers conceded the possibility of being walloped in both parts of the state, and said that risk will multiply in case BJP, TDP and Telangana Rashtra Samiti forge an alliance.

There is little clarity on why Congress has allowed the uncertainty on creation of Telangana after raising hopes in the region. A senior leader pointed out that the Union home ministry had taken over two months to constitute the group of ministers to thrash out the legislation to divide Andhra. The political decision to create Telangana was taken by Congress working committee on July 30 and the GoM was formed only in the first week of October. The lag seems intriguing considering Telangana's cruciality for Congress,

People hesitate to blame the home ministry alone saying it could not have been oblivious to Congress's interests, and there are whispers about a possible re-think in the party.

[disha]

Hindu reports no time frame:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... all&test=2

President Pranab Mukherjee is believed to have consulted legal luminaries on the Andhra Pradesh Reorganisation bill, which was referred to him by the government on Monday, and sent it to the Union Home Ministry. He returned here on Wednesday from Johannesburg after attending the memorial service for Nelson Mandela.

According to Rashtrapati Bhavan sources, the Bill on Telangana has been sent to the Home Ministry without specifying any time frame within which he expects the Andhra Pradesh Assembly to return it to him. Sources say the Union government desires that the Assembly communicate its views to the President within a period of six weeks. There are speculations suggesting that the Assembly would have to get back within 40 days though no one in the President’s office or the Centre could confirm it.

Centre not bound by views of Assembly

The Centre is not bound by the views of the Assembly. The Union government could commend the Bill to Parliament for consideration and passage even if the Assembly rejects the Bill.

However, what is certain is that there is no way the Bill could be considered during the current Parliament session which is scheduled to end on December 20.

If Center is not bound by views of assembly, it can be challenged in SC. What is the point in having state assembly? To run a dog-&-pony show?

[LakshO]

IBTL ‏@IndiaBTL 16h

Prediction for 42 seats of Andhra Pradesh

BJP 2 (+2)
Congress 3 (-30)
TDP 18 (+12)
TRS 10 (+8)
YSRC 8 (+8)
MIM 1 (0)

Total Rout for Congress

I will be glad if LS results in 42 seats of united AP will along above lines but TDP will get 10 more than YSRCP? I think YSRCP will be the most dominant in rest of AP (18-20) and TDP will end up with (5-6 seats).

But I like the idea of totally decimated Cong(I)

[anjan]

If Center is not bound by views of assembly, it can be challenged in SC. What is the point in having state assembly? To run a dog-&-pony show?

Err... An Indian state is not sovereign. It is simply an administrative unit of convenience. The only true authority on land area vests with Parliament as representatives of all the peoples of India. Same as how Jr Abdullah can't unilaterally decide/veto what to do with J&K.

Of course it's possible it's all about "Jooos" and jealousy and everyone is simply out to get you.