India-US Strategic News and Discussion

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 19 Dec 2013 20:23

MEA should start making noises about considering 'evacuating' Snowden and offer regrets later, rather than removing barricades and stopping duty free liqour. That will get immediate attention.

Come to think of it, countries like Iran, NoKo and even TSP get away by holding a few US citizens and high level delegations immediately downhill ski to negotiate a settlement. That is the language that doesn't need translations and nuances of 'regrets'.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Dec 2013 20:28

Altair wrote:BSP seems to be cashing in on the Dalit scheme here. The No-Confidence Motion seems to be gaining traction.

I dont like the language used here.

All political parties can and should avail of the No Confidence Motion.

The lady is an Indian official on diplomatic business who has been raped in custody.

And US SD at its highest level is mumbling non regrets which mean they support the custodial rape.

If they say its standard operating procedure then they shold rethink their moral compass.

Is this what the Founding Fathers fought against the Redcoats for?
To enable custodial rape by perverts in uniform?

Those Supreme Court judges should rethink their judgement if it legitimizes such repugnant behavior.

India has to take a stance. Her social origns are irrelevant.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Dec 2013 20:30

Pratyush wrote:I have been reading reaction to the incident in the Indian Media. makes me sick to see the level of ignorance and self hate, amongst the people who are justifying the detention and humiliation of Indian diplomat.

Pratyush how about right here?

Another thing is Indian officialdom/persons of authority(in any field) first line of offence is to defend foreigners and foreign practices.

vic · Post by **vic** » 19 Dec 2013 20:31

Who is footing the bill of the maid and her family for last 7 months? It should cost around USD 10,000 atleast.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 19 Dec 2013 20:38

Pratyush wrote:I have been reading reaction to the incident in the Indian Media. makes me sick to see the level of ignorance and self hate, amongst the people who are justifying the detention and humiliation of Indian diplomat.

Pratyush ji,
Please post a list of weasel words in the headlines you came across in Indian media pertaining to the incident. The word selection gives away a lot .

Massapasand outlets like TOIlet should be the ones leading the subliminal charge to bury the issue of stripping and cavity search of a (even a generally psec pasand issue) Dalit lady Indian Diplomat , Then one realizes the slant of the "vibrant" and "liberal" Indian media all these years is not one coming from a psec ideology but the slant is actually a result of antinational moneyed interests controlling Indian media.

Our paid media is truly anti-national , this incident proves it beyond doubt.

When national media turns anti-national in reporting an incident of such a national interest, i say its time to burn the decrepit shack down and raise a new building from the ashes.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Dec 2013 20:41

pankajs wrote:munna upset with massa
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8.15 pm: Angry PM seeks quick resolution Upset over the treatment meted out to Deputy Consul General Devyani Khobragade in New York, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has directed External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid and National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon to ensure "full resolution" of the issue. Singh had on Thursday termed as "deplorable" the treatment that the 39-year-old diplomat had been subjected to. The government had asserted in Parliament earlier that it will take strong steps to ensure the return of the diplomat and ensure restoration of her dignity.

Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/world/devyani- ... ef_article

Again SSMji seems to have a hand in this whole affair.

Khobhargade pere says Delhi Police did not arrest the husband despite repeated charges.
DP despite its name is a Union Govt organization and not under the Chief Minister. It listens to its own bosses the apex of which is NSA Menon.

Kerrorist calls Menonji and not Khurshid.
Shows the power links.
The politicians has neutered the office of NSA by appointing do nothings in charge.

We had Neroyanan who was attending Music festivals while Mumbai was burning.

We had Brajesh Misra who allowed a US spy to escape to save 'dipolmatic' incident and setting the precedent.
We now have Menon allowing the maid's family to traffick to US to allow his own cadre people to be raped in cusotdy.

If Menon has any moral fiber he should resgin for two reason :being NSA he did nothing, secondly being from IFS cadre he could do nothing when his junior that too a female was violated.
At minimum he should give up his gmail account!!!!

If he doesnt MMS should fire him.

Decemeber is the bad month for Indian women in Delhi or in US.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 19 Dec 2013 20:48

Pratyush wrote:I have been reading reaction to the incident in the Indian Media. makes me sick to see the level of ignorance and self hate, amongst the people who are justifying the detention and humiliation of Indian diplomat.

BRF members are not also immune to that disease. Read the initial reactions of certain members to this incident when this issue was just hotting up. Now that the issue has got traction they have fallen silent.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 19 Dec 2013 20:57

ramana wrote:Still I dont get how effective those apparently futile moves by India impacted the US?

How is the
- revoking of liquor permits a big deal? What is the magnitude of liquor imports? 10 or 100 bottles a week?
- asking for salary structure of Indian employees a big deal? Shouldnt they be reproting this for Incomce Tax purposes anyway as law abiding entities?
- Cancelling parking permits etc? How many and what does this mean?
- Barricades? Delhi is not Islamabad.

How come no one in press is asking this?

Even US media coverage which was nearly zero for over a week, skyrocketed after these very small, purely symbolic steps by India.

To me, it shows how important echandee is to massa when it comes to dealing with India.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 19 Dec 2013 21:01

chaanakya wrote:
Pratyush wrote:I have been reading reaction to the incident in the Indian Media. makes me sick to see the level of ignorance and self hate, amongst the people who are justifying the detention and humiliation of Indian diplomat.
BRF members are not also immune to that disease. Read the initial reactions of certain members to this incident when this issue was just hotting up. Now that the issue has got traction they have fallen silent.

^ Saar let's stop this internal flagellation - brf members are at least amenable to change , they (from all sides of the divide) are more informationally advantaged to do the right thing once the details are clear. Whoever they are , their silence now is an acknowledgement that they took the wrong position.

In contrast compare the fate of those who have no other informational sources apart from our poisoned MSM. People must be in pain with the amount of cognitive dissonance when the core impulse of nationalism conflicts with the top down MSM driven drivel of equal equal (solely with an intent to bury the issue as fast as possible) regarding such a flagrant outrage of national honor.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Dec 2013 21:02

venug wrote:India tears into US attorney's statement in Devyani case

“The statement in question acknowledges that legal processes were in place in India. Yet, incredibly, it invites speculation about why it was necessary to evacuate the family of Ms Richards and about the action purportedly being taken against them. The implication of this remarkable admission needs to be considered very carefully with regard to the implicit comment it makes about the Indian legal system, Indian law enforcement authorities, and the responsibility that legal officials of a foreign government seem to arrogate upon themselves with regard to the nationals of another country. It needs to be asked what right a foreign government has to "evacuate" Indian citizens from India while cases are pending against them in the Indian legal system.

“The statement underlines the compulsion that is felt by the Manhattan US attorney's office "to make sure that victims, witnesses and their families are safe and secure while cases are pending."

“This is precisely why, when there is a prior legal process already underway in India, the Manhattan US attorney should consider it obligatory to enable justice to take its course in India in the first instance. When the legal process in another friendly and democratic country is interfered with in this manner, it not only amounts to interference but also raises the serious concern of calling into question the very legal system of that country.

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CNN IBN > Devyani arrest: US goberminds distances itself from Preet Bharara statement

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Dec 2013 21:04

Lilo, Your point is well taken if they show contrition after knowing the facts. Shows them to be issue based learning people.
So far havent seen that and its the same people all the time.

its a microcosom of the Indian world view.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 19 Dec 2013 21:10

I know it is repeated many times here, but wanted to have my fill and stone throwing moment. Preet Bharara is a true House negro. In telugu a true vedava. He neither belongs to them, nor he is one of us.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Dec 2013 21:12

8.45 pm: End of VIP era for US diplomats, families in Indian airports New Delhi: US diplomats and their families in India will not be able to avail special treatment at airports from tonight when the deadline expires for surrendering their special passes, as part of the government's retaliatory action against the treatment meted out to diplomat Devyani Khobragade in New York.

Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/world/devyani- ... ef_article

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 19 Dec 2013 21:16

ramana wrote:Lilo, Your point is well taken if they show contrition after knowing the facts. Shows them to be issue based learning people.
So far havent seen that and its the same people all the time.

its a microcosom of the Indian world view.

R ji,
In take my words back , now that I am reading some of the early posts(from DEC 17) by a particular poster whose antics I am more than familiar - almost to a personal level .So no more from me on this member's activities .

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 19 Dec 2013 21:22

These privileges are given by India without any corresponsing reciprocity and in many cases when asked for it was denied by US. So withdrawal of privileges beyond reciprocal facilities is not the retaliation. It should have been the principle in the first place.
The GOI has to take following action
Arrest one of their consular officer for violation of our laws, be it Art 377 or anything, I don't care. Give them bail a only after they spend some time in Ashram upon getting duly processed by Indian Intake process for jailbirdee. Impound passport and ask equal amount of bail to be posted for release. Then ask him to stay in India till matter is settled.

That is what reciprocity will mean.
Now Salmon the Cursed says they have invested hugely in better US relations and we have to take cautious action and to control the damage. There you go.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 19 Dec 2013 21:27

LokeshC wrote:rohitvatsji:

Thats why I am now thinking it was an act of a few zealous (and dubious) activists who are hell bent on making the latest stereotype-fad stick for the mighty-whitey civilized man to fight the savages on: "slavery" and "trafficking".
.

Not a chance, boss.

19th December: Delhi High Court hearing was scheduled for case against Philip and Sangeeta Richard.
18th December: Devyani Khobragade was arrested and subjected to custodial rape.
17th December: Philip Richard and child were "evacuated" on US visas despite criminal charges pending against Philip and Sangeeta, slated for hearing two days later.

We must realize the number of different moving parts and govt. agencies that had to be coordinated for this to happen. US Dept of Justice. NY DA's office. US State Dept (Kerry knew ahead of time). US Citizenship and Immigration Service. US Embassy in New Delhi. MANY US moles inside the GOI, at several levels. And whoever (CIA?) was handling those moles.

When do we EVER see that kind of tight, effective coordination between so many US agencies, let alone mole elements located in another country's government? Neither 9/11 nor the Snowden affair would have happened if these agencies were always coordinated and vigilant in the normal course of things.

This was a pre-planned, well-prepared operation. There is no chance, absolutely NONE, that run-of-the-mill "activists" could achieve this; unless they wield power and influence on par with the White House itself.

Therefore, we must conclude also that the predictable response from India to the mistreatment of our diplomat, AND the concomitant massive downgrade of Indo-US relations, were ALSO planned, gamed for, and provoked by whoever is behind this. It's been a serious, concerted effort to kick India's musharraf in full public view, knowing that humiliation and anger will limit us to a set of predictable responses.

Whether Sangeeta and Philip Richards were spies or not is a whole other affair... but I doubt that even a high RAW official like Rabinder Singh, or a senior BARC scientist turned by the CIA, would merit Washington setting up such an elaborate and risky gambit for extraction. There may very well be an element of extracting CIA assets to all this, but I think there is far more as well.

I think Kerry's State Dept. knows that big trouble is being imminently planned for India, by Pakistan and PRC-- and it wants to freeze off US-India relations to the point where we will be unable to ask the US for help when the trouble comes (and perhaps also to generate political support within the US for American intervention on the side of our enemies, if we prove hard to beat as in 1971.)

Obama reportedly told MMS that he "has PLANS for India." We may be on the verge of finding out what those plans actually are.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Dec 2013 21:37

9.15 pm: Windy Sherman dials Sujatha Singh to negate tensions In an effort to ease diplomatic tensions emerging out of the arrest and consequent strip search of a woman Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade in New York, US under deputy secretary of state for political affairs Windy Sherman called foreign secretary Sujatha Singh to follow up on secretary of state John Kerry's telephonic conversation with national security adviser Shivshankar Menon earlier. During the 20-25 minute long call, Sherman also distanced State Department from the statement issued by US Attorney Preet Bharara, PTI reported. Sources said that India has received positive signals from the US side but it is not clear what they are.

Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/world/devyani- ... ef_article

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 19 Dec 2013 21:47

Lilo wrote:
ramana wrote:Lilo, Your point is well taken if they show contrition after knowing the facts. Shows them to be issue based learning people.
So far havent seen that and its the same people all the time.

its a microcosom of the Indian world view.
R ji,
In take my words back , now that I am reading some of the early posts(from DEC 17) by a particular poster whose antics I am more than familiar - almost to a personal level .So no more from me on this member's activities .

Lilo ji , you can also read posts in nukkad from Dec 14th when this issue surfaced and brf started discussing it before the issue gained traction in this thread. Many esteemed brfites thought it is a modern slavery issue, perks for ifs or that they deserved, that she lied , visa fraud, perjury blah blah. But surely when facts emerged slowly they have become quietened. If they posted in support I could have understood their learning process. But I am sure they are waiting for storm to pass as it shall inevitably.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 19 Dec 2013 21:51

Rudradev wrote:
I think Kerry's State Dept. knows that big trouble is being imminently planned for India, by Pakistan and PRC-- and it wants to freeze off US-India relations to the point where we will be unable to ask the US for help when the trouble comes (and perhaps also to generate political support within the US for American intervention on the side of our enemies, if we prove hard to beat as in 1971.)

Obama reportedly told MMS that he "has PLANS for India." We may be on the verge of finding out what those plans actually are.

This could be the crux. One member pointed out that USG would have gamed the whole scenario. There is certainly more to it than what appears on the surface. NaMo checkmated upon becoming PM, could be.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 19 Dec 2013 21:58

Sherman also distanced State Department from the statement issued by US Attorney Preet Bharara, PTI reported. Sources said that India has received positive signals from the US side but it is not clear what they are.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 19 Dec 2013 21:59

by Venug
I know it is repeated many times here, but wanted to have my fill and stone throwing moment. Preet Bharara is a true House negro. In telugu a true vedava. He neither belongs to them, nor he is one of us.

Why? For doing his job? Now the bigger question is whether Sonia Gandhi will fire Kamalnath, Jagdish Tytler and will the die the natural death like Dharmdas Shastry and HKL Bhagat? or Will Sonia Gandhi reply by 2nd Jan.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Dec 2013 22:01

Marten, Here is where I agree with devesh on focus at hand.

The issue at hand is the high handed repugnant behavior of US visavis Indian diplomats.
One should not bring in extraneous facts that will cloud the issue.

Your point b) is not germane to the issue and India(people, govt et al) should take care of that in appropriate manner and not bring it in here.

Many folks let b) cloud ther judgement and that accounted for the glee at her being humiliated by US.

What was lost in the process is that an Indian diplomat was ensnared and arrested flouting Vienna convention and subjected to custodial rape by the US and the actions were justified!

I said this many times we all should read the Panchatantra tale of "Tiger and the Brahmin" especially the first two witnesses statements in the tale.

A brahmin passes a tiger in a trap. The tiger pleads for his release, promising not to eat the brahmin. The brahmin sets him free, but no sooner is the tiger free than he announces his intention to eat the brahmin.

The brahmin is horrified, and tells the tiger how unjust he is. They agree that they will ask the first three things they encounter to judge between them.

The first thing they encounter is a tree, who, having suffered at the hands of humankind, answers that the tiger should have his meal. Next a buffalo, exploited and then mistreated, feels it is only just that the brahmin should be eaten.

Finally they meet a jackal, who at first feigns incomprehension of what has happened and asks to see the trap. Once there he claims still not to understand. The tiger gets back in the trap to demonstrate, and the jackal quickly shuts him in, suggesting to the brahmin that they leave matters thus.

I said many times this is the quintessential tale of India.

saip · Post by **saip** » 19 Dec 2013 22:07

So this Richard guy lied on his Visa application about the cases pending? Or which is worse, he told the truth and the Visa section in US embassy chose to overlook it , thus interfering in judicial process of a 'friendly' country. It is time India declared these officials persona non grata and explelled them. Also cant a PIL be filed in Delhi High court claiming contempt of court against US Ambassador (I know she has diplomatic immunity but it has to be claimed)?

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 19 Dec 2013 22:07

Positive signals my ass. First custodial rape, then illegal confinement and now phone calls?

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 19 Dec 2013 22:10

The impunity with which a person with court cases in India was whisked away is more troubling

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 19 Dec 2013 22:16

The right thing for Ms Richards to have done if the wages and perks did not add up to her expectations or as per the initial contract, was to ask to be relieved of the contract and return to India and not abscond. She could have returned got an ordinary Indian passport and sought a maid's job elsewhere, if the plan was to settle down in the US with her family. She could even have filed a complaint of any wrong doing by her employer in an Indian court as she was on a diplomatic passport. GoI is absolutely correct when it says there is only one victim here, and it is the diplomat.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 19 Dec 2013 22:20

chaanakya wrote:
Rudradev wrote:
I think Kerry's State Dept. knows that big trouble is being imminently planned for India, by Pakistan and PRC-- and it wants to freeze off US-India relations to the point where we will be unable to ask the US for help when the trouble comes (and perhaps also to generate political support within the US for American intervention on the side of our enemies, if we prove hard to beat as in 1971.)

Obama reportedly told MMS that he "has PLANS for India." We may be on the verge of finding out what those plans actually are.
This could be the crux. One member pointed out that USG would have gamed the whole scenario. There is certainly more to it than what appears on the surface. NaMo checkmated upon becoming PM, could be.

It seems to me that the US has gamed the next Indian gen election as ousting the Congress no matter what the outcome. From their point of view the outcome could be Modi as PM (worst case) or ineffective Third Runt PM (best case).

Either way, this would mean that all the assets they have carefully cultivated for so many years, in MMS's GOI, in Sonia's NAC, in "civil society" and the bureaucratic service institutions, may become useless very soon. So they are now, "use it or lose it" within the next six-odd months.

This is why the US has begun its intervention in such a brash and publicly visible manner. It doesn't care to preserve all its assets to fight another day because they will probably be useless anyway in a short while. That's why, for instance, the Richards family have been whisked away even at a time when the gaze of public and media outrage in India is tightly focused on this very issue. The US does not CARE if anti-US sentiments flare up massively among the Indian govt. and people... in fact it might be aiming for exactly that outcome, in order to serve some other purpose.

So checkmating Modi on becoming PM could very well be an intended effect, but not the primary effect. The primary effect would be something that the US plans to do within the next five months, which their assets-in-place would be well positioned to support (in terms of delaying or sabotaging the deployment of any effective countermeasures on India's part.) Think of it as the last phase of a long game. The pieces are in place, the last few months are on the clock, and the US is going hammer-and-tongs having decided it's now or never.

member_28131 · Post by **member_28131** » 19 Dec 2013 22:21

I just wanna throw it out there but Preet Bharara... His use of rhetorical language (human rights/justice blah blah) suggests he may have planned this whole thing just to prove a point.

The maid sensing trouble at home may have approached the Americans for amnesty and he may have devised this whole thing to malign India.

Unsubstantiated allegation edited out - do not repeat please. JE Menon

habal · Post by **habal** » 19 Dec 2013 22:23

Rudradev wrote:I think Kerry's State Dept. knows that big trouble is being imminently planned for India, by Pakistan and PRC-- and it wants to freeze off US-India relations to the point where we will be unable to ask the US for help when the trouble comes (and perhaps also to generate political support within the US for American intervention on the side of our enemies, if we prove hard to beat as in 1971.)

Obama reportedly told MMS that he "has PLANS for India." We may be on the verge of finding out what those plans actually are.

After Syria, they are looking for a new enemy. Now India has been suitably softened up by MMS and assorted agents. They are going to use the election gap and caretaker govt and that small period of flux in governance to launch a major operation. Or even maybe Pakistan is going to open up a new front before Modi comes into power, and they just want to distance themselves and watch from afar without any international fallouts.

personal feeling is that this move has been communicated to Indian govt. These american official types discuss everything that they are going to do with the nodal links that they seem to always maintain in the Indian govt. And nothing is done without prior talks and confirmation. The old guys in US who take decisions want no surprises, so everything is gamed beforehand and people are informed on impending events, if not for minute details, they are given the plans and contours of events ahead so that they can prepare their alibis.

This whole setup is fully compromised and during the time they take to dither, which could be months together, this front could open up and they can claim that they were unprepared there too. Then elections can also be postponed. Modi is also blocked for a while, and then the army chief was also awarded some itsy-bitsy medal recently, so that angle too has been covered. Maybe there would not be any early warning or intelligence alert. Think along these lines and see where it leads us.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Dec 2013 22:25

Ok What would bring closure to this case?
US point of view:
- Indian diplomats dont bring domestic help from India on work visa.
This is political for Ombaba can't generate any jobs in the US economy and has been on a high horse agaisnt India. Further Indian diplomats have had repeated case filed against them in New York. Seems to be a hot button issue there.

Indian point of view:
1) Charges against Devyani Khobargade has to be dropped and an apology given by the right people to her.
2) US has violated Indian laws and facilitated human trafficking from India.
3) US appears to have conspired by the long list of events to entrap and ensnare DK
4) US has repeatedly claimed Vienna Convention does not apply to all Indian diplomats.
5) Custodial rape of diplomats claiming standard procedure is not acceptable.

Other things:
- Very clear that GOI has given undue non-reciprocal facilities to US diplomats in India
- Even now the measures announced no one is coming forward how they can be reciprocal measures to the cusotdial rape of Indian diplomat.
- Very clearly RAW (if there are foreign workers) and IB (if there are Indian workers) have not vetted domestic help for Indian diplomats. This is a NSA failure to exercise due diligence.
-MEA is relying too much on Vienna Convention which is being observed in breach by US. Need to negotiate addtional protcols with US (as they seem to have a gap in understanding) which bring all Indian diplomats under protection.
-MEA has to strictly apply Indian laws to all foreigners and not be vindictive of their personnel when they apply the laws and rules.
- MEA should insist on following protocol.
How is the NSA, even if he is former IFS, allowed to take calls from abroad? Kerry should have called Khurshid PERIOD. NSA should know his roles and responsibilites and should have told Kerry to call Khurshid. He has no locus standi in this issue.

MEA should close the New York Consulate (looks like local police and law want to target Indian diplomats hence dont appreciate the business. Atlanta Consulate is enough for the visas on East Coast) and demand the Hyderabad Consulate (reciprocal) be closed.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Dec 2013 22:28

Marten, I guess you are not getting my point- which is dont mix issues in the same post.
It leads to disspation and bandwagoning.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 19 Dec 2013 22:29

Veer wrote:I just wanna throw it out there but Preet Bharara ... His use of rhetorical language (human rights/justice blah blah) suggests he may have planned this whole thing just to prove a point.

The maid sensing trouble at home may have approached the Americans for amnesty and he may have devised this whole thing to malign India.

I doubt it. First, the degree of planning and execution needed shows the involvement of authorities way higher than Bharara. Second, it's preposterous to link him to Khalistan just by asserting his Sikh roots (would be preposterous even if he were a Sikh, which he is not, being half Hindu.) Yes, he is definitely a pawn (maybe a knight or bishop) in this whole episode but not the King/Queen by a long shot. And if you look at the latest utterances from the US State Dept, they now seem to be leaving him in the cold, denying the veracity of his statements... this, probably after higher authorities had encouraged him to conduct Devyani's humiliating arrest and custodial abuse in the first place. Now that his role as Sepoy is fulfilled, he is being sidelined.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 19 Dec 2013 22:30

habal wrote: and then the army chief was also awarded some itsy-bitsy medal recently, so that angle too has been covered.

I think I missed this bit. Who gave what medal to the army chief?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Dec 2013 22:31

RD, Good rebuttal with facts as it should be.
Thanks for the clarity.
ramana

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 19 Dec 2013 22:31

^^^
I agree. no need for this proliferation of consulates. close off the NY center. and, in return, use this opportunity to pack up the proliferation in India.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 19 Dec 2013 22:31

something does not add up --
amongst all nations - americans and Indians-- people to peopel are pretty good. No major hassels-
it is mainly the us gov agencies and Indian govt that the whole issue is-each do not see the other in proper light - Though it is more of usa trying to arm twist india on many fronts- India govt just bending over.
poaching of Indians to us by usa agencies-

when uncle already has India by its scruff- why did they do this to Indian official--
what is the benefit they are going to have other than angering India and whatever usa had on Indians will disappear easily.

I do not believe RD post that they want to not support India in case something happens to India at least not at this point.
uncle can easily do it in many other ways-- not here when it also has lot of eggs on its face-- its etch and endee iss and will be in tatters for many weks and longer to come.

Not many countries get the privilegs even a lowly officals from usa gets in govt circles in India. They can meet any Indian offical easily party, mingle and spy on them easily. It is a low cost operation for uncle compared to oter countries. why are they losing it all.

Many Indians notwithstanding the MUTUs are genuinely appalled by this act and the % of +Indians view on america will decline-- IOW it will become that much more difficult to get gungadins

I strongly suspect DK is a unfortunate collatreal damage.
Do they on purpose want to anger India-- then what is the real reason.

Not able to get the big picture.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 19 Dec 2013 22:33

a_bharat wrote:
habal wrote: and then the army chief was also awarded some itsy-bitsy medal recently, so that angle too has been covered.
I think I missed this bit. Who gave what medal to the army chief?

legion of merit

http://photogallery.outlookindia.com/de ... pgid=82522

The Legion of Merit (LOM) is a military award of the United States Armed Forces that is given for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding services and achievements. The decoration is issued both to United States military personnel and to military and political figures of foreign governments.

from wiki

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 19 Dec 2013 22:34

Here's another take

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/12/19/m ... 70273.html

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 19 Dec 2013 22:34

if Bharara goes down in flames, it will be an important lesson that NRI's won't forget anytime soon. don't put yourself in a position where you become the used con***.

most of all, don't put yourself in that position against your own roots. because ultimately if you loose them, you have nobody.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 19 Dec 2013 22:35

Taken aback by India's retaliation, which was front-paged in the American mainstream media, the State Department said, "the US has told India that in no circumstance it can violate the safety of US diplomats with respect to the Vienna Convention."

US wants India to follow Vienna convention but it doesnt want to do so when it comes to India.