Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 20 Dec 2013 03:17

With AAP's showing in Delhi & the recent American brazenness/desperation vis-a-vis the Devyani episode, the next few months are an anxious time for India-bhakts.

I wouldnt be surprised if there are American approved, ISI-Congress orchestrated jihadi attacks on NaMo. If something happens to him, the following scenarios may play out:

a) Sympathy wave for the BJP. However, this looks unlikely because the Modi-wave is because of Modi and not BJP. There is no other tall leader who can be the beneficiary of the wave.

b) Misguided sympathy wave towards the AAP. With Modi out of the way, Hindus might get depressed & resigned to their fate and not vote at all. Or alternately vote for AAP, to show their anger against Congress

c) In the absence of Modi, we could have a 4 way split: AAP, UPA, BJP, 3rd front, leading to a Delhi style mess in the Lok Sabha

d) Any reprisal attacks by Hindus against Muslims will be enough food for the cottage industry forever

All scenarios (except (a)), are lip-smacking yummy for India-haters: US, Pakistan, China etc.

Modi needs to be extra careful

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 20 Dec 2013 04:15

svenkat wrote:What has he said thats inconsistent.for sometime now,hes very consistent-he supports economic reforms and Hindu nationalism.He talks very little about JJ nowadays.You are talking about Treta Yuga (1995-1999).much water has flowed through cooum,vaigai,yamuna,adayar etc

Methinks, he is eyeing for the PM post as well. Leopards do not change spots. He is an ambulance chaser - so to speak.

And, BJP is going to truck with Vijaykanth and Ramdoss. I really pity BJP. Both dudes have their heads stuffed with straw and are bloated. Have you watched Captain TV or Makkal TV? Captain TV eulogizes Vijaykanth din raath.

It is a miracle TN progresses in spite of these leaders.

Ashok: Good one.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 20 Dec 2013 05:11

RoyG wrote:Swamy is a crook. He pulled down the NDA knowing full well that the Congress would come to power afterwards. He's a snake.

He is not a crook! Jesus Christ.. he is just eccentric, but much principled man among many baboo goons you can find. btw, when did he pull down NDA? I know he had spat with Vajpayee.. as both were against each other.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 20 Dec 2013 05:18

SwamyG wrote: Methinks, he is eyeing for the PM post as well. Leopards do not change spots. He is an ambulance chaser - so to speak.

Actually, Subbu Swamy has been eyeing the PM post since the Chandrashekhar government. He has not got it. I don't think he is ready to give up that ambition. However, time is running out for him. He is now 75, and he is probably counting on being the power behind the throne in the new Modi government. But he is one to be watched carefully. Keeping Subbu Swamy close is like putting a lit cigarette in your pocket.

And, BJP is going to truck with Vijaykanth and Ramdoss. I really pity BJP. Both dudes have their heads stuffed with straw and are bloated. Have you watched Captain TV or Makkal TV? Captain TV eulogizes Vijaykanth din raath.

AFAIK, Vijayakanth (did they try to meet him after 1200?) has not agreed, and Ramadoss was still negotiating with Manian, but there was no confirmation yet. Don't know what Ramadoss is going to do. But I agree with you SwamyG-ji. It leaves me with a bitter taste in my mouth.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 20 Dec 2013 05:54

Long decades back sswamy met Guruji and later Guruji said that we need to be careful with Swamy as he is too capable and unbalanced. I can say he is another tragic figure like Aswadhamma. Too capable but without control.

Good thing of the past was used to seek advise of Paramacharya Sri Chandra Shekara Saraswathy. But that is no longer possible. In any event NM surely knows his previous record and careful. Further he is quit angry now on jihadi, mafia, naxal, evangelical forces and most unlikely to compromise Indic forces.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 20 Dec 2013 11:30

^We must move our polity to a reality where donning a malsi skullcap might gain the malsi votes, but invariably ends up in the erosion of ALL Hindu/Dharmic votes.

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 20 Dec 2013 13:22

I am so glad, NaMo brought Kalyan Singh back to main stream UP politics.

He is currently only leader who openly says 'Jai Shri Ram', today he is saying that line which even NaMo will not say at this stage "Not every Muslim is terrorist, but why all terrorists arrested in UP are Muslims??".

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 20 Dec 2013 13:37

namo rally in Varanasi... the crowd is huge indeed. MMJ speaking. Hope he's shifted out of VAranasi. Better still, no more tickets to people over 80.... too much ask, eh?

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 20 Dec 2013 13:38

This is Kashi, cold weather, Poorvanchal BJP should aim to grab more than 12 seats, here.

NaMo has yet not opened his caste card, I feel it's about time he exploits this & bring Maya+Mulayam caste votes in BJP fold!!

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 20 Dec 2013 14:01

On http://yuva4india.tv/ start from 48 minutes for Kalyan Singh ji's speech... excellent as usual.

On twitter, look for #NamoinKashi

The crowd at the rally

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 20 Dec 2013 14:13

Congress will have to get rid of Modi. Every passing day his support base is growing throughout the country. A lot of money and power is riding on this election. The corrupt will not go so easily.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 20 Dec 2013 14:15

The news blackout by MSM is horrible..../snark.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 20 Dec 2013 14:18

Look at the crowd! 4 lac

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 20 Dec 2013 14:36

Sample this: One crore SMSes and two crore emails sent by Bharatiya Janata Party’s social media team till December 19; 87,000 polling booth chiefs throughout Maharashtra connecting with 10 people each; 41 departments handling different aspects -- outdoors, publicity, social media, stage setting, etc. -- of the rally, a snack of five lakh to eight lakh theplas (a traditional Gujarati roti) ordered for participants, 1,000 buses to ferry people from in and around Mumbai and much more.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/eight ... 131219.htm

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 20 Dec 2013 14:42

at the ganga

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 20 Dec 2013 14:45

He speaks about a Muslim worker employed in handlooms. Interesting.

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 20 Dec 2013 14:49

Today NaMo is at his usual Best.

he is touching the right chords in Banaras, first he spoke about Ram Rajya that received roaring support & then followed it up with a common Muslim citizen & unemployment of Banaras youth with the Saari making industry.

good going, now Kalyan to mobilize OBC votes & bring 12+ seats from Poorvanchal region.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 20 Dec 2013 15:08

NM spoke long and loud about the ill-fated Ganga project that has become a gravy train all by itself for the variousnetas and babus involved. The contrast with the change in fortunes of the sabarmati was brutal indeed.

Here's an old, rare pic of NM by the banks of the Ganga 25 yrs ago (in Haridwar, methinks)

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Dec 2013 15:21

a prophetic pic perhaps ... time will tell...

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 20 Dec 2013 15:29

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 669258.cms

Will Ambedkar statue be a tall order for Modi?

AHMEDABAD: A new movement among dalits in Gujarat asking for the world's tallest statue of Babasaheb Ambedkar could test Narendra Modi's political tightrope-walking skills ahead of the 2014 Lok Sabha elections.

No surprises this trap is being laid by a convert. It might actually test Namo's skills if it becomes a big issue.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 20 Dec 2013 15:32

NAMO has finally directly linked poverty to the family. He them compared how students who do not work hard but chant the hari nam to pass the exam to con-gress chanting "garib" nama to pass election. This was brilliant! His team must be surfing the net to collect the right advice.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 20 Dec 2013 15:52

SwamyGji,nageshksji.
Dr Swamy HAD such ambitions.But people change,they realise their limitations.I think Dr Swamy has a good record.imho.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 20 Dec 2013 15:52

I am in India touring cow belt. One caste that is breaking for Namo is Yadavs. In front of me, where I was discussing Modi (a Yadav dominated village, 300 houses, know someone there so had stopped, then accompanied him for a tour of his village, stopped at chai stall..started discussing politics, comparing US and India)...then suddenly it happened, one yadav supported just released Loloo ji, few yadavs challenged him, an old man asked him to leave (for his own good). The guy supporting laloo persisted, he had few other yadavs supporting him. But m attend the rally)of yadavs were on the Modi side, and suddenly the topic turned from heated debate to marpit. Needless to say the loloo supporter were far out numbered by Modi supporting Yadavs.
Today in Varanasi, met many yadavs at chaupal (did not attend the rally). All of them are for Modi for LS, even if they are for SP for assembly.

His comment on Yaduvanshis (was only a minute or two long) has made a HUUUUUUGGGGGGGEEEEEE impact.

archan · Post by **archan** » 20 Dec 2013 17:16

Laloo is arrogant. Saw his comments after coming out of jail. His motorcade killed a boy. Might have been a Yadav kid, who knows. People must get sick of this jee hujoori of the powerful and their mafia. I hope they use their vote as their weapon.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 20 Dec 2013 17:27

Heck, if that line is strong enough "LS polls vote for Modi, Assembly polls for SP/RJD" among yadavs in UP and Bihar, then am sure the BJP can get the ball rolling among Yadav community folks, esp the younger generation as a trial balloon...

Once you have them voting for lotus, the next logical step of drawing them away from SP?RJD for state polls also can happen in good time....

The yadav break away is the death knell of mandalization... it'll well and truly be over then...

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 20 Dec 2013 18:55

pandyan wrote:meanwhile enjoy captain's photos
https://plus.google.com/photos/11506665 ... 3115327921

Is he still close with Rowther Ibrahim?

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 20 Dec 2013 22:01

It seems AK will keep himself free to cause chaos in LS while installing Manish Shishodia as CM.

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 20 Dec 2013 22:09

Hari Seldon wrote:The news blackout by MSM is horrible..../snark.

Ignore english media. Check out news paper like dainik jagran e.t.c thats what matter.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 20 Dec 2013 22:10

Almost blacout of NaMo Rally in Varanasi by MSM.

A blistering attack on Congis.
Here is the link to the video of the speech

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 20 Dec 2013 22:23

VikramS wrote:It seems AK will keep himself free to cause chaos in LS while installing Manish Shishodia as CM.

Arvind Kejriwal had been elected CM candidate on November 7 by the AAP nominees. If he installs Manish Sisodia, then it is going to be interesting to see how he defends installing a CM. He was against `high command culture', and here he is, installing a CM of his choice, after the people of Delhi voted for Arvind Kejriwal as the CM candidate.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 336897.cms

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 20 Dec 2013 22:56

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 2#p1550072

he has been fantastic invoking of past congis leaders and rubbishing the present ones.

Here he took the name of Pandit Nehru and dissed the present ones in not following him.
He took out Sardar Patel from congis in anothe rspeech.
He took out Ambedkar in Delhi from congis.
He Took out PVN from congis.
He is only isolating Nehru parivar by not naming them.
The ordinary folks are slowly but surely knowing these.

In Varanasi he took out LBS who hails from this part of India.
He tells the audience to remove poverty -> remove congress.

unmistakble shades of hijacking and modifying IG slogan garibi hatao.

congis will continue to be shell shocked as he is taking many of their own leaders one by one.

NaMo Namah.
brillaint as usual.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 20 Dec 2013 23:20

http://www.narendramodi.in/shri-narendr ... blessings/
also has his image in the temple. pucca kommunal.

He also visited Sankat Mochan and Kashi Vishwanath temple.

Muslims from the adjoining moqsue greeted him.

May not be electorally much to NaMo but definitely will send khujilis in congis and sapa nether regions.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 20 Dec 2013 23:24

VikramS wrote:It seems AK will keep himself free to cause chaos in LS while installing Manish Shishodia as CM.

It makes more sense to be a king maker and a puppeteer than a King or a Puppet. Only when somebody cares about the legacy (name, fame, records ityadi) one would want to become the King/Puppet. If the goal is power, control and disruption it is better achieved from backstage. Shakuni to Sonia are examples.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 21 Dec 2013 00:40

Modi is the product of the invisibility of Manmohan Singh

Very honest interview

The Congress prime minister is invisible. People want to listen to someone who is decisive and strong. Modi has created that image. The social media, English media, have made this image and they are allergic to Rahul Gandhi.'

What effect is the Aam Aaadmi Party going to have in Indian politics?

Do you see it as a trigger that can change the political discourse to focus on issues that affect people most -- like corruption, price rise?

The Aam Aadmi Party is a metropole phenomenon.

The AAP can support itself as an alternative to mainstream politics like the Congress and BJP, but only in the metros and the area around the metros like Haryana, Ghaziabad.

It is very difficult to say how much success they will get in other cities. There are regional parties in cities that provide an alternative -- in Kolkata there is Mamata Banerjee and the Communist Party.

In Mumbai, there is the Shiv Sena, MNS -- so it is very difficult to say that they will have a big impact in the 2014 election in the form of electoral success.

But, of course, they have created a new space for new politics, a new forum for politics which is different from both the Congress and BJP.

They are coming as an alternative, but it is very difficult to say that it will work in other metros. The AAP can't work in smaller cities.

They are creating a new space and talking about corruption, price rise -- issues that affect the common man. Can they change the discourse and content of politics?

The issues that they talk about -- corruption, price rise -- are transitional issues. This is not a long term issue, such issues can change.

If the Lok Pal comes and action against corrupt people is taken frequently, then this corruption issue will get marginalised.

Though I feel corruption will be an eternal issue of Indian politics and society. It is not going to die, but may not be (experienced) the way it is experienced nowadays.

But as far as mehengai (price rise) goes, today it is there, tomorrow it might be less -- this is not an ideology and this is the problem of the Aam Aadmi Party.

The AAP has no ideology. They have to develop an ideology. They can say that their ideology is the ideology of the Aam Aadmi -- everyday life issues -- sabzi, chawal, bijli (vegetables, grain, electricity) but people also need more than that.

The AAP is not a permanent hub of the aam aadmi, it is the transitional hub -- and that too for the aam aadmi of the metropole, not of the town or village.

But the Congress is a very difficult party to change. It does not have that kind of a structure. Its leaders are beyond the structure. They don't have a cadre base like the Communist party or other parties.

You can change the secretaries (in other parties) and it touches the whole system of the party. Here if you change the state president, it is not going to affect the party because the party is in one way real and in one way virtual.

This is a very interesting character of the Congress. And Rahul Gandhi tries to understand that and that is why he is trying to build a cadre.

The basic thing they need to do is acquire visibility among the people. They come only in time of the election. They should learn from the Aam Aadmi Party.

Everyday you have to raise issues, fight for people's issues and that the Congress is not able to do.

It has to become visible at the grass-root. It has to raise people issues through dharna, pradarshan etc.

They always show up at the time of election and want that everything will be in their favour, especially in the Hindi region.

Would you say that in Narendra Modi after a long time there has been a campaigner/candidate that is rallying the Indian public? Do you think he makes people feel that he can bring change?

I don't know. He has created a charismatic image, but not hope. People don't want hope.

They see him as a strong leader. The media is appreciating him, projecting him. He is giving good speeches.

Modi is the product of the invisibility of Manmohan Singh.

The Congress prime minister is invisible. He is not a speaker.

People want to listen to someone who is decisive and strong. Modi has created that image and in that the social media, English media, have made this image and they are allergic to Rahul Gandhi.

Narendra Modi plans his image in this space through the electronic media -- through Twitter, Facebook.

While Rahul Gandhi believes direct contact with the people will help him.

But now society is more virtual than real. In his case, the virtual is not supporting the real and his real is not being developed by his own party -- so both are not working for him.

Is Modi's appeal mainly within the middle classes and in the social media?

I think so, but the BJP/RSS are very smooth mobilisers. Slowly, they are pushing Modi into villages.

People don't know Modi, but they can see Modi speaking through the BJP, RSS -- so slowly, slowly he is entering the villages also.

How many Lok Sabha seats can the BJP wrest in the important state of UP?

In UP there is a Modi impact, but not a Modi wave. From 10, the BJP might get 25, 30 seats.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 21 Dec 2013 00:56

^^^^

Would you say that in Narendra Modi after a long time there has been a campaigner/candidate that is rallying the Indian public? Do you think he makes people feel that he can bring change?

I don't know. He has created a charismatic image, but not hope. People don't want hope.

They see him as a strong leader. The media is appreciating him, projecting him. He is giving good speeches.

Modi is the product of the invisibility of Manmohan Singh.

The Congress prime minister is invisible. He is not a speaker.

People want to listen to someone who is decisive and strong. Modi has created that image and in that the social media, English media, have made this image and they are allergic to Rahul Gandhi.

Narendra Modi plans his image in this space through the electronic media -- through Twitter, Facebook.

sort of slick but less than honest interveiw IMO.

esp with NaMo--
Modi did not create the image- he has showns the way thru his CMship for 3 terms what he is.
The paid media and ilk like him are not comfortable.

NaMo straightaway had the most negative image of any politican in the whole world for no fault of his.
In 2002 and post phase he had a tough time dealing with press and other sundry alike including every Indian due to the conspiracy against him. they wanted to bring donw the BJp govt hook or crook. He survived , worked hard as a CM, eliminated, added and modified/streamlined whatever was necessary to improve the aam aadmi life in Gujarat.

He was not given a fair share of positive limelight in the media. always started and ended with 2002 stigma.

He went onto SM with nothing to show about in the paid media which grew into a beautiful banyan tree for all of use to share his vision.

probabaly if MSM had not written lot of negative articles but genmuinely praised for whatever he was , SM would not have been a hit for him.
congis would not have been in this situation.

people appraeciate him because he has done good work not otherwise.

overall this social historian is looking through distorted lens only.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 21 Dec 2013 01:02

^^ Don't look at how he is putting but look at how the most lefty oriented,CON party funded/slaves are admitting.

There is a great impact of Modi. They are admitting while trying to subtly undermine his campaign.

Modi will sweep North and West. We need enough support from South and East

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 21 Dec 2013 02:40

Sagar G wrote:
RoyG wrote:Personally, I'm not advocating or discouraging consumption of beef............
My response http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 3#p1558273

Why am I unable to infiltrate this dhaga. Dhaga out of bound onlee.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 21 Dec 2013 02:43

These NaMo mega rallies must be a challenge to the BJP state parties. The logistics of handling lakhs, route management, crowd management, sanitation, publicity ityadi ityadi is begging for someone to write thesis and get a doctorate. They must have selected the Bomaby rally on Sunday, so that Mumbaikars do not get adversely impacted.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 21 Dec 2013 02:58

can aap pass bills without bjp or kangrez support?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 21 Dec 2013 03:15

SwamyG wrote:These NaMo mega rallies must be a challenge to the BJP state parties. The logistics of handling lakhs, route management, crowd management, sanitation, publicity ityadi ityadi is begging for someone to write thesis and get a doctorate. They must have selected the Bomaby rally on Sunday, so that Mumbaikars do not get adversely impacted.

Now is the right time for these election rallies. 2-3 weeks before elections, neither can Modi be everywhere in the country nor can the Karyakartas be burdened with organizing such rallies. Then the time is for door to door and street rallies.