Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Dec 2013 10:52

anupmisra wrote:Will wonders never cease? Musharraf apologizes for any misdeeds. Let me count the ways.

In a significant development, former president retired Gen Pervez Musharraf on Thursday sought “forgiveness” for any wrongs he may have committed during his nine-year rule
Whatever I did, I did it for the country
there was no bad intention in it
an emotional Musharraf
This is for the first time that the former army chief, who ruled the country from 1999 to 2008, has offered an apology for the actions and decisions

And to end all doubts, mushy exclaimed
“The beggars always get kicked wherever they go”
.

What's that saying about cats, mice and the haj?

This happens when tattas are being squeezed. No more commando language or paki army mard pride??

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Dec 2013 11:14

Bijli Paani & Poaq

ISLAMABAD - The Senate was informed Thursday that construction of Kishanganga project by India in occupied Kashmir will result in a shortfall of about 14 percent flow for Pakistan’s Neelum-Jhelum Hydroelectric Project.Petroleum and Natural Resources Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, on behalf of water and power minister, told the House that the Indian project will result in reduction of energy generation of Pakistan’s hydroelectric project by 13 percent or 700 million units.Abbasi said India is constructing the Kishenganga project in Occupied Jammu and Kashmir. The gross capacity of the reservoir is 18.80 million Cubic Meter or 14,900 acre feet with dead storage of 8755 acre feet and an operating poll of 6120 acre feet. He said the water of river Kishenganga is to be diverted through a 23km long tunnel to produce 330mw powers. He said that the water after production of power would join the Wullar Lake and ultimately flow down through Jhelum to Muzaffarabad.

To a question, the minister said that International Court of Arbitration would announce verdict on Kishenganga Hydroelectric project by the end of current month. He informed that India was allowed to construct Run-of-River hydroelectric plants and limited storage works on the Western Rivers (Indus Jhelum and Chenab) within the limits of design criteria provided in the relevant provisions of the Indus Waters Treaty 1960. The minister said that all dams constructed by India on Pakistan’s Western Rivers so for are Run-of-River Hydroelectric plants which do not involve any consumption of water therefore no reduction in flow coming to Pakistan has been noticed or likely to occur on account of the dams constructed for hydropower generation. He said that India is bound to provide detailed information and design data regarding the proposed projects.
Abbasi also informed the Senate that Iran-Pakistan Gas Pipeline Project is constrained by international sanctions, hoping that work on the project would start soon after softening of the sanctions. To a question during the Question Hour, he said that Iran has cancelled a planned $500 million loan to Pakistan to construct a part of the pipeline. He said that half of the work on the project has been completed, adding that China has not made any offer to finance this project. “Pakistan needs the project and wants to complete it,” he added. Responding to yet another question, the minister said over 2.48 million barrels of oil was produced in the country in October this year. Of this, 1.16 million barrels was produced in Khyber-Pukhtunkhwa. The petroleum minister said a total of 29 cities have been provided natural gas by SNGPL and SSGPL since 2010. He assured that PML-N government would make serious efforts to provide gas to cities of Balochistan.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 20 Dec 2013 11:35

No aid if Pakistan did not open NATO supply route: US

ISLAMABAD: The United States (US) said that the aid which is given to Pakistan would be stopped if the NATO supply route was not opened at Torkham, SAMAA reports on Friday.

Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel said that talks regarding opening the route were going on and he was hopeful for a good news.

The aid is given to Pakistan to end terrorists and their activities.

In his last visit to Islamabad, Hagel warned Pakistani leaders that if they don't resolve protests stalling some military shipments across the border with Afghanistan, it could be difficult to maintain political support in Washington for an aid program that has sent billions of dollars to Islamabad. SAMAA

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 20 Dec 2013 11:42

Man dead, 21 injured in Quetta blast

QUETTA: A man was killed and 21 other people were injured when a bomb exploded in the Pashtoonabad area of the city on Thursday evening.

The bomb planted near an ice-crime parlour in Mehta Chowk in the eastern part of the city went off during rush hours.

The injured, seven children among them, were taken to the civil hospital by police and Frontier Corps personnel.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 20 Dec 2013 14:11

USA should not withhold AIDS transfer to Pakistan.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 Dec 2013 14:21

pakistan is a net exporter of AIDS
as well as TB, Polio and other biotaknikis...

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 20 Dec 2013 16:55

SSridhar wrote:
anupmisra wrote:I have been trying, Sir, but I am not able to do so. I don't see the edit button anymore. Perhaps one of the mods can help me here.
Done.

Thanks Sridhar.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 20 Dec 2013 17:11

Only in the land of the purest pure. Teacher ‘thrashes’ girl after argument on veil

A girl student of Khyber Medical College, Peshawar on Tuesday accused a male teacher of roughing her up after a heated argument over veiling herself in classroom

Professor Rahim Bangash asked her not to veil herself in the classroom

the teacher also criticised women covering face with a veil

also made derogatory remarks about the veil

he slapped and kicked me

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Wait! It gets better.

Ms Misbah also accused the teacher of harassing her

She alleged that students veiling themselves and sporting beard were discriminated against by some teachers during oral examination

The student, a Canadian national of Pakistani origin

my parents wanted me to be familiar with Pakhtun culture after spending years abroad

Well, she came to the right place. Anyway, as with all paki stories, there is always a demand tagged to each one of them at the end.

Ms Misbah demanded strict action against Professor Rahim and others discouraging students to veil themselves on campus

will help students get education in a harassment-free environment

And, don't forget the malala effect (every paki female is nobel-worthy at this point if she says this:

The student said she would continue struggle for justice

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 20 Dec 2013 18:07

Arre look at the bright side macha... She already has her Canadian visa

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 20 Dec 2013 18:39

JE Menon wrote:Arre look at the bright side macha... She already has her Canadian visa

But she does not have the nobel prize yet or a book contract. That's her angle.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 20 Dec 2013 18:44

US proposed law threatens to squeeze aid if NATO blockade continues

WASHINGTON: A proposed new US law threatens to squeeze aid to Pakistan if Nato supply routes are blocked or interrupted, Dawn News reported on Friday.

US National Defence Authorisation Bill of 2014 also requires a certification from US Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel saying that Pakistan is taking appropriate actions against terrorists along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

The development came after Hagel visited Pakistan on December 9. It was reported that he had warned Pakistani leaders that if they did not resolve protests stalling some military shipments across the border into Afghanistan, it could be difficult to maintain political support in Washington for an aid programme that has sent billions of dollars to Islamabad.

The new US bill is already approved by the House of Representatives and it includes extending funding to Pakistan for supporting the war against terrorism but with certain changes.

The funding has been reduced from $1.65 billion in 2013 to $1.5bn in 2014 as stated in a section of the bill titled “Limitation on amounts available”

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Cheers

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 20 Dec 2013 21:54

Pakistan mulls Asia Cup, WT20 pull-out in Bangladesh

A source told PTI that there are concerns in the Pakistan Cricket Board about the situation in Bangladesh and growing anti-Pakistan sentiments.But he did not rule out the possibility of Pakistan independently deciding to pull out of the events if the situation in Bangladesh deteriorates.

"That is an option always open to us because if we feel it is not secure for our team in Bangladesh, or if we get advice from the government, then we will have to act accordingly," the source said.

Protests against Pakistan have grown in Bangladesh since the Pakistan parliament passed a resolution against the execution of a Jamaat-e-Islaami leader in Bangladesh, who opposed the creation of Bangladesh in 1971 and was treated as a war criminal.

On Thursday, protesters demanded that the Bangladesh government sever all diplomatic relations with Pakistan.
Relations between the Pakistan and Bangladesh boards deteriorated in the last two years after Bangladesh twice pulled out of short tours to Pakistan despite making commitments.

"Yes, there is a anti-Bangladesh lobby in the PCB and if the situation does not improve, there could be a pull-out," a source in the board said.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Dec 2013 22:31

anupmisra wrote:
JE Menon wrote:Arre look at the bright side macha... She already has her Canadian visa
But she does not have the nobel prize yet or a book contract. That's her angle.

She lives in the land of No-Balls, the prize won in 47.
In the meantime , Ghazwa Be-Hind @ Home In the Shadow of Load Shedding..
Abbu creeped Up when he Found Her Lowly
And She protested ,claiming Holy
Abbu Main Anis Nahi, Main Hoon Aysha .
Aysha, Said Aabbu
Hoonn Na Kaar Tuu Tamasha
Keep Playing Like You Do with Dolly
And Abbu Promise to Do it Slowly Slowly.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 20 Dec 2013 23:04

Good news. Half of Balochistan is educated, says official

Half of Balochistan deprived of education, says official

with the literacy rate in some far-flung areas as low as ten per cent.

a government girls high school located in the heart of Quetta with 2500 students had no functional toilet.

reason behind non-availability of toilet was scarcity of water

"There is no light at the end of the tunnel"

Yes, no light, no water but they have a tunnel.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 21 Dec 2013 03:55

Is that the reason for tunnel vision?

Look on the bright side, by Lahori logic, Bakistan has more no-water, non functioning toilets than Yindia.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Dec 2013 09:10

LNG Export to Pakistan: GAIL gets FinMin nod

The Finance Ministry is understood to have given its in-principle approval to GAIL’s plan to export 5 million metric standard cubic metres a day (mmscmd) of liquefied natural gas (LNG) to Pakistan. It is likely to waive duty on the proposed export.

Petroleum Ministry officials said the Finance Ministry had asked the Oil Ministry to work out the finer details in this regard.“The Finance Ministry is considering issuing an exemption notification based on the co-relation between LNG imported and re-gasified LNG exported in terms of energy units. We have been asked to find a way out and suggest a format for the same,’’ a senior Petroleum Ministry official said. Given the fragile nature of India-Pakistan relationship, the Finance Ministry has expressed caution, saying any abrupt disruption of the contract can lead to many complications. It wants issues such as what would constitute a Force Majeure incident, and how would the termination of contract be determined for the supply of LNG from India to Pakistan to be studied thoroughly. “The major worry is the loss of investment, as nearly $80 million will need to be invested for the pipeline from Jalandhar to Amritsar, and then to Lahore or the delivery point at the border. A certain quantity of LNG will also be needed to be stocked in advance in case of sudden disruption,’’ a senior official pointed out. On its part, GAIL has sought letters of credit from Pakistan for $415 million to cover the estimated value of RLNG supply for three months and a bank guarantee for $100 million to cover the minimum termination amount. It has proposed a 110-km pipeline, connecting the Dadri-Bawana-Nangal pipeline onwards to Jalandhar and then to the border near Attari. Negotiations have been held between the two sides, and it has been found technically feasible to export gas.

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 21 Dec 2013 11:01

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRUf-WpPAAg

MiM's Asaduddin Owaisi, MS Aiyar, Kirti Azad debating Pak idjuts on Monkey's asha.

Full video available in 'related's.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 21 Dec 2013 16:48

SSridhar wrote:LNG Export to Pakistan: GAIL gets FinMin nod
GAIL has sought letters of credit from Pakistan for $415 million to cover the estimated value of RLNG supply for three months and a bank guarantee for $100 million to cover the minimum termination amount

So who is going to provide letter of credit? SBP? That is as good as nothing. If GoI is so determined to go ahead with this then why dont they ask to deposit US treasury bonds or gold of same value with RBI? Or ask their beloved ADB who is more than willing to give them loans to provide LoC. I just don't understand this urge of doing business with bankrupt pakis. And bankrupt or not, why do business with those bas$$rds? Spend this energy and money to fast track Iran-India underocean pipeline.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 21 Dec 2013 18:53

SSridhar wrote:LNG Export to Pakistan: GAIL gets FinMin nod

SSridhar Ji :

I trust you still have the INTEC Engineering Papers on the Oman – India Deep Sea Pipeline.

As you will appreciate that the Transportation of Liquefied Natural Gas is not on as India will not have LNG available to export to Pakistan. India is expected to import LNG of various origins, Gasify it and then Pipe it to Lahore.

India Importing LNG via Mundra or Kandla,, then Gasify and Pipe it to Lahore via Dadri-Bawana-Nangal pipeline onwards to Jalandhar and then to the border near Attari will cost much more than LNG imported via Karachi and Gasify and Piped to Lahore.

The cheapest mode will be Natural Gas Piped in from Iran, but, Pakistan has no Moolah – entirely different from Mullahs, with which they are overflowing to the brim – and as such if will face the same problem of being unable to pay as in the case with Iran.

Pakistan still owes India Rs. 300 Crores since 1947, when I believe the Rupee was 10 to the Pound Sterling and Gold was £ 10 per Troy Ounce.

Thus first Pakistan must be made to repay the Loan of 30 Million Troy Ounces of Gold and then India can do a Mani Shanker Aiyer and supply Pakistan with Natural Gas or may be even LNG – if that is what Pakistan desires as Panda may be in the mood to put up a Gasification Plant in the Land of the Pure and Home of the Terrorists!

Cheers

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Dec 2013 19:13

Peregrine wrote: I trust you still have the INTEC Engineering Papers on the Oman – India Deep Sea Pipeline.

Yes, I do. I agree with you completely.

LakshO · Post by **LakshO** » 21 Dec 2013 19:46

abhijitm wrote:I just don't understand this urge of doing business with bankrupt pakis. And bankrupt or not, why do business with those bas$$rds?

Who in GoI comes up with these ideas?

It is galling that GoI finds some item or another to sell to these pakis. Some items that were proposed to be sold include electricity, LNG, petrol, diesel locos etc. Truth be told, none of items were actually sold, may be because those turds in that pigsty of a country are broke.

Does the GoI even spend a fraction of time to figure out how to stop paki terrorism?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Dec 2013 19:59

LakshO wrote:
abhijitm wrote:I just don't understand this urge of doing business with bankrupt pakis. And bankrupt or not, why do business with those bas$$rds?
Who in GoI comes up with these ideas? It is galling that GoI finds some item or another to sell to these pakis. Some items that were proposed to be sold include electricity, LNG, petrol, diesel locos etc. Truth be told, none of items were actually sold, may be because those turds in that pigsty of a country are broke.

Does the GoI even spend a fraction of time to figure out how to stop paki terrorism?

It's oily moily, thinking out of the ~~mosque~~ errr box and hoping to keep his ticket next elections

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 21 Dec 2013 20:01

^^ Peregrine, SSridhar - slightly OT here. But I think this indicates that Iran has conned pakistan on the pipeline deal. They have bought their side of the pipeline very close to Chabahar.
Iran backs deep-sea gas pipeline to India

Iran is focusing on exporting natural gas to India along a deep-sea route — the move coinciding with the cancellation of a loan to Islamabad to build the Pakistani section of the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline and the signing of the Geneva nuclear accord that could help relax sanctions against Tehran.

“Negotiations were held with three Indian companies for [their] purchase of gas from Iran, and general agreements have been reached,” said Ali Amirani, director of marketing at the National Iranian Gas Exports Company (NIGEC), as quoted by the Tasnim news agency.

He added that India’s South Asia Gas Enterprise Pvt. Ltd. (SAGE) had conducted feasibility studies for the multi-billion-dollar undersea pipeline, which could carry gas from Iran’s giant South Pars gas field to India’s west coast. Mr. Amirani said the project cost estimated by the company was $4-5 billion. Once operational, it could channel 31 million cubic meters of gas per day.

“We are in regular touch with the Iranians and at this moment they are the only country, among energy rich nations of the Persian Gulf, which has the surplus gas to export to India,” said Subodh Kumar Jain, Director SAGE, in a telephonic conversation with The Hindu. He added that there were no technical hurdles to build the deep sea pipeline, and the project, which was financially viable, could be completed in 4-5 years, once the sanctions against Iran are lifted. and that is where I think India is playing crucial role - behind the curtain of course - in pushing Iran to close the deal “There could be several options but one of them could be bringing Iranian gas to the port of Chabahar from where it could either be transferred directly along the seabed or via Oman, which could also become a beneficiary”.

Iran’s interest in the India-centric project coincides with the cancellation of its $500-million loan to Pakistan to build part of a pipeline to funnel natural gas. Iran’s deputy Oil Minister Ali Majedi said cash-strapped Iran was not obliged to finance the Pakistani side of the project.nobody does. Screw the pakis

In boosting exports, the Iranians have identified countries which could be linked with cost-effective pipelines to receive gas, and others which will have to depend on LNG tankers. “The Indian Subcontinent, Turkey and Europe are good markets for pipeline gas exports from Iran and the next step will be exporting cargoes of LNG for countries located farther,” said Iran’s Oil Minister Bijan Namdar Zanganeh. He added that Iran had a solid opportunity to strengthen exports as no other country in the Persian Gulf, except Qatar had any surplus to sell gas abroad.

Excerpt from SAGE website http://www.sage-india.com/

SAGE is working with a Global Consortium of some of the most reputed companies in the field of Deepwater Pipelines, to create a Multi-Billion Dollar "Energy Corridor" that can transport gas from the Middle East to India, bypassing the land route through Pakistan.

Qatar, Iran, Iraq and Turkmenistan together have enormous Natural Gas reserves to the tune of 2,000 trillion cubic feet (TCF) and SAGE plans to transport some of this to India through its Deepwater Pipeline Infrastructure. Dialogue and discussions with the above-mentioned countries are on at the Highest Levels. The option of Gas Swaps between these nations is also being explored. [b/]

In addition, SAGE also plans to supply Natural Gas to Oman/ UAE on its Pipeline Route to India, and seeks to further build Cooperative Relations with the friendly Gulf and Middle East countries.

3 Natural Gas pipelines are envisaged over the next 10 years each having similar capacity. SAGE pipelines are envisaged as "Common Carriers" which Gas sellers in the Gulf can use as infrastructure to transport gas to the Indian region, by payment of a Pipeline Tariff.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 21 Dec 2013 20:46

India allowed to go ahead with J&K's Kishanganga project
YYY conspiracy onlee

The international court of arbitration has allowed India to go ahead with construction of the Kishanganga dam in Jammu & Kashmir, over which Pakistan has raised objections.

The court delivered its "final award" last night after India requested clarification of an order issued by it in February.

In its "partial award" in February, the court upheld India's main contention that it has the right to divert waters of western rivers, in a non-consumptive manner, for optimal generation of power.

The western rivers are allocated to Pakistan under the Indus Waters Treaty of 1960.

The "final award" specifies that 9 cumecs of natural flow of water must be maintained in Kishenganga river at all times to maintain the environment downstream, said a statement from the Indian high commission here.

This is much lower than the 100 cumecs of natural flow that Pakistan wanted to maintain, it said.

"We have also received the clarification we sought from the court with regard to the technique of draw-down flushing used for the de-siltation of reservoir in run of the river power projects in the western rivers of the Indus," the statement said.

The court said alternative techniques will have to be used for Kishanganga hydroelectric project and all future run of the river projects undertaken on western rivers of the Indus system.

Contrary to negative propaganda that the Indus Waters Treaty has been receiving in recent years, the international court of arbitration's award has shown the pact is a strong framework for division of river waters between India and Pakistan, the statement said.

The treaty has stood the test of time and ups and downs in India-Pakistan relations, it said. "It is hoped that the negative arguments often heard on the working of this treaty will be finally put to rest," it added.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 21 Dec 2013 20:55

abhijitm wrote:^^ Peregrine, SSridhar - slightly OT here. But I think this indicates that Iran has conned pakistan on the pipeline deal. They have bought their side of the pipeline very close to Chabahar.

SSridhar Ji and abhijitm Ji :

SAGE is planning a Qatar to India Pipeline which encounter Greater Depths than the Chah Bahar to India Pipeline and will thereby be cheaper. If only the “Support Pakistan at any cost Group” of MSA and his Ilk can be bypassed and a Chah Bahar to India Deep Sea takes its place then India will have a cheaper option in place.

Arabian Sea: depth contours and undersea features

SSridhar Ji :

Is it better to discuss this here – for the benefit of the Pak Lurks – or transfer these posts to the Oil & Natural Gas: News & Discussion Thread and continue there?

Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 21 Dec 2013 20:59

abhijitm wrote:India allowed to go ahead with J&K's Kishanganga project
YYY conspiracy onlee

GLORY GLORY HALLELUJAH

Cheers

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 21 Dec 2013 21:09

^^ Just to support your post. Here is the map of the proposed energy corridor by SAGE

LakshO · Post by **LakshO** » 21 Dec 2013 21:56

chetak wrote:It's oily moily, thinking out of the ~~mosque~~ errr box and hoping to keep his ticket next elections

May be the current idea of selling LNG to pakis was thought out by Veerappa Moily (in his capacity as petroleum minister). But, how can a lightweight like Moily come up with series of proposals? It seems more like a coterie of politicians and babus are hell bent on harakiri

all for that south asia peace dividend and nobel piss prize.

MN Kumar · Post by **MN Kumar** » 21 Dec 2013 22:50

sadhana wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRUf-WpPAAg

MiM's Asaduddin Owaisi, MS Aiyar, Kirti Azad debating Pak idjuts on Monkey's asha.

Full video available in 'related's.

Just a caution, dont take the words at face value from the idiots on our side Owaisi and MS Aiyar.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 21 Dec 2013 23:01

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/recon ... /1208187/0

Reconnecting Punjab: Shahbaz Sharif’s Mixed SignalsC. Raja Mohan : Mon Dec 16 2013, 09:31 hrs SmallLargePrint
Purva Swanlake - Chennai

Some Diplomatists in Delhi might have protocol and political reasons to frown at a "joint statement' issued by the chief ministers of east and west Punjab in Amritsar on Sunday calling for greater cross-border cooperation between the two provinces.
Pragmatists, however, would want to endorse the engagement between the two Punjabs as a potentially useful tool in the troubled diplomacy between India and Pakistan. With talks between Delhi and Islamabad stuck in a limbo, the positive tone of the joint statement between Prakash Singh Badal and Shahbaz Sharif is very welcome.

Badal's constructive approach to cross-border cooperation stands in contrast to the prevailing nihilism in Kolkata and Chennai. The Chief Minister of West Bengal Mamata Banerjee has refused to support carefully negotiated agreements with Bangladesh and undermined the prospects for a historic breakthrough in India's relations with an important neighbor. Competitive politics in Tamil Nadu have compelled Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to cancel plans to attend the Commonwealth Summit in Sri Lanka.

In recent years, sentiments for reviving cross-border connections have intensified on the Indian side of Punjab and have strong bipartisan support. Capt Amrinder Singh, the Congress chief minister who preceded Badal, was the first to launch cross-border engagement a decade ago.

The current deputy chief minister, Sukhbir Singh Badal, traveled to Lahore last year and outlined an ambitious agenda for cooperation across the Radcliffe Line that divides the two provinces. The joint statement issued after Shahbaz Sharif's return visit reaffirmed the shared interests of the two provinces in "peace, harmony and economic growth".

There is an acute recognition that the two provinces can significantly improve their fortunes by ending the economic separation of the last many decades, forging strong commercial links, expanding connectivity, opening new trade routes, and promoting tourism. At the heart of this is the proposition that the two Punjabs can "leverage each other's potential".

Much of the agenda outlined by Badal and Sharif, however, can only be implemented by the central governments in Delhi and Islamabad. The two leaders therefore agreed to press their national capitals to facilitate deeper cooperation across the border in Punjab.

On its part, Delhi has largely been supportive. But signals from Shahbaz Sharif, younger brother of Prime Minister Nawaz, have been some what mixed.

In Amritsar, he was all for economic engagement transcending the Radcliffe Line. In Delhi, where he called on Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Sharif seemed to suggest that Pakistan couldn't move on economic cooperation unless there is progress on other political issues like Kashmir and waterdisputes. The fork tongued snake

Delhi is aware that the Pak army continues to wield a veto over cooperation with India and the room for manoeuvre is limited for the civilian leaders. Yet India must encourage the leaders of the Punjab to intensify their engagement. In promoting such a dialogue, Delhi must also strive to improve coordination and consultation with the state leadership in Punjab.

(The writer is a distinguished fellow at the Observer Research Foundation and a contributing editor for The Indian Express)

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 21 Dec 2013 23:22

MN Kumar wrote:
sadhana wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRUf-WpPAAg

MiM's Asaduddin Owaisi, MS Aiyar, Kirti Azad debating Pak idjuts on Monkey's asha.

Full video available in 'related's.
Just a caution, dont take the words at face value from the idiots on our side Owaisi and MS Aiyar.

I am just happy to see any Indian rejecting self-serving Pak bloviation, even if it is through bloviation of his/her own.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 22 Dec 2013 01:19

abhijitm wrote:^^ Just to support your post. Here is the map of the proposed energy corridor by SAGE

abhijitm Ji :

Many thanks for the SAGE Energy Corridor.

The Oman - India Route is the Original INTEC Surveyed portion possibly in 1993.

Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 22 Dec 2013 03:37

Posting the Article in full. No highlighting as the whole Article merits Highlighting :

Jinnah, Bhutto and the legacy of intolerance

That the two torchbearers of secularism in the history of Pakistan created a separate country in the name of religion and excommunicated a religious sect respectively speaks volumes for the legacy of secularism that we have inherited

The raison d’être of Pakistan’s creation in 1947 was religious intolerance. The much touted Two Nation Theory smacked all commonalities between Hindus and Muslims of United India out of the South Asian ballpark and defined the two communities as being so dissimilar that they could not exist together as one nation, despite having done precisely that for over 1,200 years, and continuing to do so in modern day India.

A more ‘liberal’ version of the Two Nation Theory — propagated by the likes of Dr Ayesha Jalal — that has been formulated after cherry picking Muhammad Ali Jinnah’s words from the 1940s, suggests that the theory was merely supposed to result in a federation where Hindu and Muslim states shared power — religious consociationalism, if you will. Apparently, Jinnah merely tried to protect the Muslims of India from their economic downfall, almost all of which was self-inflicted and had nothing to do with the religious identity of the community.

However, not even Jinnah apologists can argue against the fact that the Two Nation Theory defined Hindus and Muslims as two distinct nations that could not seemingly exist as one state. No one can really argue against it after Jinnah said this, “...it is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality, and this misconception of one Indian nation has troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time” (March 22, 1940, Lahore). Or this: “In all things (Muslims’) outlook is not only fundamentally different but often radically antagonistic to the Hindus. We are different beings. There is nothing in life, which links us together” (Interview with Beverly Nichols, 1943). Nope, ethnicity, culture, language and history, nothing linked Hindus or Muslims of the Indian subcontinent together.

Jinnah, however, did contradict most of his pre-partition words in the famous August 11, 1947 speech where Hindus were supposed to cease being Hindus and Muslims were to stop being Muslims. Jinnah might have eventually wanted to create a secular state but formulating one after using religion — or the religious identity of a community depending on your brand of history — in a separatist movement would have won an oxymoronic marathon by some distance.

Whether it was supposed to result in a federation, or in two separate states (like it eventually did), the Two Nation Theory unequivocally stated that Hindus and Muslims cannot coexist. And that basically is Exhibit A of religious intolerance. Just because Jinnah’s version of intolerance was not baked inside a theological oven, does not make it any less divisive — definitely not after it led to the biggest mass migration in human history and the death of over half a million lives owing to genocidal butchery.

Jinnah’s prognosticated destruction of an India where Hindus and Muslims are forced to evolve a common nationality is yet to come true in modern day India, where these communities are doing pretty alright considering they have “nothing to link them together”. However, his idea of Muslims as “one nation” did take a nosedive in the Bay of Bengal in 1971 and continues to be pulverised in modern day Pakistan. Jinnah’s Pakistan — whichever version stimulates your fantasies — died along with the Two Nation Theory in 1971.

For all practical purposes, modern day Pakistan came into existence on December 16, 1971.
The country that was created via an Islamo-nationalist ideology in 1947 ceased to exist after Bangladesh came into being, especially since this new state’s creation in itself was a damning verdict on the former’s raison d’être. Hence, it was time for Pakistan to learn its lessons and realise that religion should not be used to unite a state that is so ethno-linguistically diverse. With Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto — like Jinnah, another man secular and liberal in his outlook — at the helm, it was time for Pakistan to right the wrongs of 1947 and maybe adopt a secular code, which would separate religion from the state. Bhutto did the exact opposite.

Bhutto’s 1973 constitution made Pakistan an oxymoronic Islamic republic where sovereignty belonged to Allah and, in turn, to Allah’s laws. He also declared the Ahmedis as non-Muslims, proudly calling it the “solution to a 90-year-old problem”, and adopted a pan-Islamic vision in which he viewed himself as the leader of the Islamic world. By the end of the 1970s, Pakistan was two for two, in terms of ‘secular’ leaders who defined Muslims as one nation, and also two for two, in terms of ‘secular’ leaders who manifested archetypal religious intolerance.
That the two torchbearers of secularism in the history of Pakistan created a separate country in the name of religion and excommunicated a religious sect respectively speaks volumes for the legacy of secularism that we have inherited. That the two torchbearers of democracy refused to work under the mandate of Congress and the Awami League respectively and needed separate states to manifest their ideals, reveals our democratic ancestry. And so it should come as no surprise that both religious coexistence and democracy are alien concepts for us.

Contrary to popular opinion, modern day Pakistanis have not diverged from the path that the founding fathers — both of them — carved out for them; they are sinking in the present day quagmire precisely because they are clinging on to the aforementioned path. The recent chants of “Shia kafir” (infidel Shia) shouted by Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (or Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan) and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ), to sideline and target the Shias, have not sprung into the mainstream out of the blue. The demand to excommunicate the Shia community is the natural corollary of the verdict against the Ahmedis, and the dearth of Shia-Sunni harmony is the logical offshoot of the Hindu-Muslim disharmony.

That Jinnah failed to play the part of the leader of a minority group working for a united India obviously gives credence to separatist movements in Balochistan. And since Bhutto politicised the process of takfir (apostasy), religious sects are now well and truly under the takfiri guillotine.

Apologists of Jinnah and Bhutto, often the same group from the Pakistani ‘intelligentsia’, instead like to blame Ziaul Haq for this mess that we find ourselves in, completely ignoring the fact that Zia merely hogged the spotlight on a stage set by the two founding fathers of Pakistan and Pakistan 2.0. When you are defining nationhood through Islam and when you are incorporating Islam into the constitution, an Islamist usurping the helm would come and have a ball. And that is precisely what Zia had.

To rectify the present and work towards a better future, we will have to first be honest about our past. The well-meaning Jinnah and Bhutto fan club needs to stop distorting history to showcase their idols as emblems of secularism or religious tolerance. Both men regularly contradicted the ideals that they ostensibly stood for, both men oversaw countries being divided owing to a refusal to coexist, both men used religion for their self-seeking goals and both men have left behind a very tangible legacy of intolerance.

The Pakistan of 2014, and beyond, can only improve if it owns up to the mistakes of 1971 and 1947. Creating fictional legacies and fabricated histories will only proliferate cluelessness and further thrust Pakistan inside the quagmire of disintegration.

The writer is a financial journalist and a social critic. He tweets @khuldune and can be reached at [email protected]

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Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Dec 2013 08:02

Mushkushi Day Coming : Lamp Post Now being painted
Treason: Mohajir Musharraf's lawyers complain to UN over 'show trial'

LONDON: Lawyers for former president Pervez Musharraf said on Friday that a treason charge levied against him was politically motivated and that he would face a “show trial”, urging the United Nations to intervene.Musharraf’s barrister Steven Kay told a press conference in London the hearing would be a “stage-managed show trial” with the judges picked by political opponents who are now in power.“.Kay said the judges selected for the trial would be unable to act impartially – particularly since one of them, Faisal Arab, was sacked by Musharraf’s government.The legal team has written to UN human rights chief Navi Pillay and UN special rapporteurs calling for the international body to “urgently intervene and ensure that the former president is not subjected to politically motivated charges”.Barrister Toby Cadman called on Musharraf’s allies in the “war on terror” to support him, insisting this did not amount to interference in Pakistani justice.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 Dec 2013 09:04

Never forget the diabolic and psychotic perverts of Pak and their crimes in E.Pak/BDesh.Every Indian and BDeshi must remember these crimes,even more heinous than those of Nazi Germany.This why one understands Maj.Gen Cardoso's statement ,than when he was a Lt. and grievously injured and lost a leg due to a land mine in the '71 war in the eastern sector,and there was only a captured Paki doctor available to remove his leg,he told his CO,"do not give me a single drop of Paki blood"!

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/ ... rever.html

Inhumanity cannot go unpunished forever
Saturday, 14 December 2013 | Hiranmay Karlekar | in Edit

One can always criticise procedures. Israel's relentlessly and justifiably ferreted out and punished German war criminals decades after World War II. It is an affront to fair play to overlook these and condemn the Dhaka trials

Forty-two years ago this day — perhaps even as this column is being read — hordes of supporters of Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami and its affiliates like the razakars, al-Badr and al-Shams, were searching out members of Bangladesh’s intellectual and professional elites and savagely torturing them to death. Dr MA Hasan, a medical practitioner and freedom fighter, who has given a chilling account of genocide and mass rape in Bangladesh by the Pakistani Army and its collaborators, wrote in Beyond Denial: The Evidence of a Genocide, “Between December 10th and 14th[1971], al-Badr paramilitary units, Razakars and Pakistani soldiers, under the direction of Generals Rao Farman Ali and Jahanzeb Arbab, abducted hundreds of doctors, lawyers, journalists, engineers, teachers, civil servants, artists, Sufi religious scholars and other such leading Bengali professionals and intellectuals, men and women, and in some cases their children as well, who lived in Dhaka and its suburbs, took them to various killing sites around the city and murdered them.”

These diabolical murders, Dr Hasan says — as many had done earlier — were committed deliberately as the last vindictive crime “to try to cripple the country for a generation. The intention was to deprive an independent, free, Bangladesh of the services of these highly skilled and talented people.” Almost all of them were savagely tortured before being killed in what was clearly the climactic chapter in the chronicle of unspeakable atrocities that the Pakistanis and their henchmen had unleashed on Bangladesh, starting with the military crackdown on the night of March 25-26, 1971.

Three million people were killed. Women were special targets. Dr Hasan wrote that about 80 per cent of the genocide victims were males between the ages of 15 to 80. The remaining 20 per cent were women. “Of them, the majority of murdered women were raped before being killed.” He cites Professor RJ Rummel’s book, Death by Government, as stating that “the number of women sexually abused during the conflict was about 4,00,000”, and adds that the surveys by the War Crimes Fact Finding Committee between 1999 and 2008 “put the number at approximately half a million and deaths due to rape and associated causes are not accounted for in this number.”

According to Dr Hasan, Pakistani soldiers raped Muslim women in Bangladesh in “the perverse belief that rape-babies would be born into their brand of the Islamic faith and that they would be loyal to Pakistan. They said this to some of their victims. Time after time, Bengali women and girls hiding in fields and forests were captured and raped. To destroy the pride of the nation they raped the mothers, daughters, the sisters and wives of Bengali Muslims and Hindus systematically.

“The Pakistani Army also sought to destroy the honour and pride of Bengali men so that they could prove them to be a cowardly race. Forcing them to stand and watch their wives, daughters, sisters and mothers being raped seems to have been a confirmation for them of cowardice. In almost every village, town and city of Bangladesh, Pakistani soldiers used rape as an instrument of humiliation.”

Had this writer not seen the bodies of Bangladeshi women tortured, raped and murdered, he could never have imagined that the human mind could conjure up such horrible ways of inflicting pain and humiliation. Gary J Bass rightly states in The Blood Telegram: India’s Secret War in Bangladesh, “The slaughter of what is now Bangladesh stands as one of the cardinal moral challenges of recent history, although today it is far more familiar to South Asians than to Americans.”

Americans then knew what was happening, thanks to media coverage and, except President Richard M Nixon, then National Security Adviser and later Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and those around them, were outraged. Among those who did so was Archer Blood, United States’ consul-general in Dhaka, who sent telegram after telegram to Washington, DC, detailing the Pakistani Army’s celebration of savagery. He was deeply upset that his pleas fell on deaf years, as were most of his colleagues. Finally, on April 6, 1971, twenty of the latter sent to Washington DC a dissent cable, a device introduced during the Vietnamese War, allowing diplomats to speak freely.

A searing indictment of the Nixon Administration, the telegram stated, among much else, “Our government has failed to denounce the suppression of democracy. Our government has failed to denounce atrocities. Our government has failed to take forceful measures to protect its citizens while at the same time bending over backwards to protect the West Pak dominated government and to lessen likely and deservedly negative international public relations impact against them.”

As Bass, who reproduced the text of the telegram in his book, points out, Blood not only “bore responsibility for authorising the transmission of the cable but agreed with the dissent with zeal”, writing at the end. “I also subscribe to these views but I do not think it appropriate for me to sign their statement as long as I am principal officer at this post.”

Blood paid a price for his courage; he did not rise as high as he should have in his career. The Nixon Administration persisted with its shameful course and even tried to intimidate India during the latter’s 1971 war with Pakistan by sending a naval battle group into the Bay of Bengal. The move failed. Pakistan was routed in the war and Bangladesh emerged as a sovereign state on December 16, 1971. Unfortunately, Pakistani war criminals were repatriated to their country following the Shimla agreement to enable the return of Bangladeshis trapped in West Pakistan. Bangladeshi war criminals from the ranks of the Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami and its affiliates emerged from the woodwork after Sheikh Mujibur Rahman’s assassination and were rehabilitated by the military dictators ruling the country for 15 years thereafter. It is only now that they are being tried and sentenced.

As Bass wrote, the slaughter in Bangladesh is today “far more familiar to South Asians than to Americans”. This perhaps explains why a section of Americans and others in the West are so critical of the trials which are being faulted on procedures and as being vindictive. One can always criticise procedures. Israel’s relentlessly and entirely justifiably ferreted out and punished German war criminals decades after World War II. It is an affront to fair play to overlook these and condemn the Dhaka trials.

Yet the Yanquis display their perversity in the sexual humiliation of an Indian lady diplomat,.Perhaps they have learnt a lot from their Paki bedfellows! And we aren't talking about their war crimes in Vietnam,Iraq,Af-Pak,etc.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Dec 2013 09:49

Peregrine wrote:Posting the Article in full. No highlighting as the whole Article merits Highlighting :

venkat_r · Post by **venkat_r** » 22 Dec 2013 09:54

Nice & honest article by Parvez Hoodboy

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Shahbag Square — why we Pakistanis don’t know and don’t care[/url]

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Dec 2013 10:10

From that article above posted by Peregrine ji,

Apologists of Jinnah and Bhutto, often the same group from the Pakistani ‘intelligentsia’, instead like to blame Ziaul Haq for this mess that we find ourselves in, completely ignoring the fact that Zia merely hogged the spotlight on a stage set by the two founding fathers of Pakistan and Pakistan 2.0.

In this context, I quote from Vali Nasr's excellent book, "In the Vanguard of Islam"

Soon after the formation of the Jama‘at in 1941, Qamaru’ddin Khan, the secretary-general of the Jama‘at, was dispatched to Delhi to meet with Jinnah. Through the good offices of Raja Mahmudabad—a deeply religious and generous patron of the League—a meeting was arranged between Qamaru’ddin Khan and Jinnah at the latter’s residence. During the meeting, which lasted for forty-five minutes, Qamaru’ddin Khan outlined the Jama‘at’s political platform and enjoined Jinnah to commit the League to the Islamic state. Jinnah responded astutely that he saw no incompatibility between the positions of the Muslim League and the Jama‘at, but that the rapid pace at which the events were unfolding did not permit the League to stop at that point simply to define the nature of the future Muslim state: “I will continue to strive for the cause of a separate Muslim state, and you do your services in this regard; our efforts need not be mutually exclusive.” Then he added, “I seek to secure the land for the mosque; once that land belongs to us, then we can decide on how to build the mosque.” The metaphor of the mosque no doubt greatly pleased Qamaru’ddin Khan, who interpreted it as an assurance that the future state would be Islamic. At the time, the Jama‘at decided not to make this meeting public, although it had served to quell the anxieties of the pro-Pakistan members of the Jama‘at and had been seen as a green light for greater political activism by the party. If anything, Jinnah had hinted that his task was only to secure the land for the “mosque”; its building, the Jama‘at concluded, would be the work of the religiously adept. What this meant for the Jama‘at was that a continuum existed between the activities of the Muslim League and those of the Jama‘at; where one ended at partition the other began: the Jama‘at-i Islami was to inherit Pakistan. The symbiotic relationship between the League and the Jama‘at, within a communalist framework, was strengthened.

By the way, I am pleased that people in Pakistan are recognizing the role of the 'secular socialist' in taking Pakistan the deep, intolerant and irreversible Islamist way, something we have acknowledged and written about here for over a decade.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 22 Dec 2013 10:42

Peregrine wrote:Posting the Article in full. No highlighting as the whole Article merits Highlighting :

Jinnah, Bhutto and the legacy of intolerance

The raison d’être of Pakistan’s creation in 1947 was religious intolerance.

What is the deal with Pakis and this phrase "Raison D'etre". I have seen this in quite a few of their articles.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 22 Dec 2013 10:43

Fountainhead of Jihad: The Haqqani Nexus, 1973–2012

The Haqqani tribal network is based in North Waziristan, a region that straddles the border highlands between Afghanistan and Pakistan, a position that allows the Haqqanis to control vital supply lines. The Haqqani patriarch, Jalaluddin Haqqani, and his son Sirajuddin Haqqani guide their organization with a combination of fierce resistance to central authorities and a less-than-strict practice of Islam. Above all, they want to preserve control of their homeland, which has served as a safe haven for al Qaeda and as a supply route through which Pakistan’s intelligence service ships materiel to the Taliban and others in Afghanistan. Brown and Rassler argue that the Haqqanis have played a greater role in the region’s anti-American jihad than has al Qaeda -- despite the fact that Washington assisted the Haqqanis’ resistance to the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan during the 1980s. They speculate that after the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, al Qaeda and the Haqqanis might refocus on India, Kashmir, and the Central Asian states. Brown and Rassler have assembled unique and impressive evidence for their arguments, shining a light into some hitherto dark corners.