India-US Strategic News and Discussion

habal · Post by **habal** » 22 Dec 2013 16:24

I think a lot of journalist types who went to the US, and know write about India may have gone with the help of these 'US Visa centres' in India. They will retain their original names, but their motivations are completely different.

habal · Post by **habal** » 22 Dec 2013 16:26

Rudradev wrote:
habal wrote:Gentlemen it's Uzra Zia. Please note that the way she writes Zeya is to obfuscate the industrial paki sounding Zia.
Has Clinton's "second daughter" and Islamist point-person Huma Abedin set up a regular campaign to traffic her fellow Paki RAPEs into positions of power in the State Dept? First Abedin (a Paki with family ties to the Muslim Brotherhood) and now this Uzra Zia. How many others?

US embassy has an unofficial policy of recruiting from 'minority communities' in India and from their recommendations for recruiting new posts. Now do note that their official job vacancy gazette is floated only within the circle of those already employed in the embassy. New jobs are given to those who are recommended by employees or ex-employees. That is how it works.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 22 Dec 2013 16:27

Singha wrote:Not sure but 4 aurangzeb lane near aurangzeb road and amrita shergill rd is one of costliest roads in Delhi...rent could easily be 10 or 20 lakhs a month there. So big cheese diplomat for sure

As a logical first step, shouldnt both Sangeeta's mother and the US diplomat who employs her be hauled in for some tender loving police interviews? I mean, reprisals apart, its important to probe how deep the rot stems from at least the one compromised zone that's become apparent. No?

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 22 Dec 2013 16:40

AFAIK no talk of an inquiry into the circumstance of the disappearance of Mr. Richard and children. There is no visible interest in the matter.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 22 Dec 2013 16:56

That is a too hot topic for media and politicos. Direct interference in Indian High Court warrant? Like Pardha Saradhi suggested get a warrant and red corner notice on people involved.

vic · Post by **vic** » 22 Dec 2013 17:51

kenop wrote:AFAIK no talk of an inquiry into the circumstance of the disappearance of Mr. Richard and children. There is no visible interest in the matter.

In Nirbhya gangrape case, was there ever a inquiry as to how police used to collect hafta on delhi wide scale from illegal bus operators? IFS officers are powerless appendage living in their own world. Usa has got a few of them raped to show who is Daddy in the real world.I believe Jaswant Singh had raised a finger on Munna being a CIA agent. Also Finance Ministry is dragging its feet on declaring such domestic help as Govt help on useless technicalities to maintain threat to diplomats through USA. But I must Say, this Devyani is not only a stupid cow but also greedy, dishonest, corrupt and incompetent. She deserved all that got but USA cannot rape her and her punishment is the job of Indian system.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 22 Dec 2013 18:18

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 2#p1131892

A post by Acharya Posted on 20 Jul 2011 02:33 am.

Acharya wrote:View: Transforming India Opens Door for U.S. Alliance
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-1 ... -view.html

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Some Indians, mostly among the intellectual elites and lower-level government officials, don’t share Singh’s enthusiasm for close ties with the U.S. They see their country as the inheritor of a great civilization and fear becoming subservient to the U.S. Given these countervailing pressures on Singh’s government, there may be limits on the scope of India’s transformation that could also restrict the terms of an alliance with the U.S. But Washington shouldn’t be deterred by these internal deliberations.
Interesting observation that only a "small group looks at India as great civilization " and rest of the people look forward to work with US.
This is very intersting aspect of political sociology which US is tryng to use to build different supporters inside India. Bu picting one group against the other US wants to get thier interest taken care of.
But to keep Indians not get suspicious the author also says - "But Washington shouldn’t be deterred by these internal deliberations."

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 22 Dec 2013 18:51

chaanakya wrote: This has been a bad judgement from their side. They are making wheels of the Indian Govt turn against them. Effect of this will be seen later and long term. politicians in India who side with them might get a lesson or two in dealing with Amirkhan projects. I doubt we need anything from Amirkhan which is of any consequence or essential for our survival. We survived without their support for 60 years and will survive longer as a Strong democracy.

You are over confident. There needs a quite revolution inside Dilli to get to that point.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 22 Dec 2013 19:01

Muppalla wrote: You are over confident. There needs a quite revolution inside Dilli to get to that point.

If Bill Bibi becomes Prez in 2016, we will get to that point very fast. I suspect that a Bill Bibi administration in 2016 will be more hostile to India than a Clinton I (first term of Bill Clinton) administration, given the degree to which the Islamists have infiltrated her ranks. It would be a good idea to start preparing for it from now, and move to as safe a position as we can, regarding the goodwill of the US.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 22 Dec 2013 19:18

Muppalla wrote:
chaanakya wrote: This has been a bad judgement from their side. They are making wheels of the Indian Govt turn against them. Effect of this will be seen later and long term. politicians in India who side with them might get a lesson or two in dealing with Amirkhan projects. I doubt we need anything from Amirkhan which is of any consequence or essential for our survival. We survived without their support for 60 years and will survive longer as a Strong democracy.
You are over confident. There needs a quite revolution inside Dilli to get to that point.

Yes I am confident, not over confident. The grudge Amirkhan could be nursing against Indians would be that their effort to deal with us in subservient position is frustrated by confident Indian bureaucracy at mid to mid high level who have occasion to interact with them. They thought India would lap up F35 like Vanilla ice-cream or that India would not talk down at US proposal in WTO in recently held plenary or that India would not agree to legal limits on emission reduction, examples are plenty. I recently met Amitabha Kant MD of DMIC who berated Amirkhans in global audience and he was the only person who drew loud applause and Amirkhan representative, fairly high ranking officer in USD, acknowledged that he was having trouble defending his govt policies.

So yes I am confident. They are in for some rough times unintended consequence of DK-SR episode unless resolved amicably. It is MMS and his IMF cronies who want to drivel before Amirkhans not deshi educated young lots. New Lot is more confident in dealing with other countries than the Nehru sponsored old bandicoots.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 22 Dec 2013 19:20

This saga is not a simply low level misunderstanding, it is very carefully crafted and calibrated action to send very clear message.

The message isn't not necessarily primarily intended to India. It is a clear and loud message to all the countries in and around India, especially Afghans, na-pakis, sri lanks, BDs, and other assorted countries who are in the ring of fire.

It is a clear case of letting know that India (meaning all the stake holders) - will have to align its long term interests for the gravy train to continue. The mess of nepotism etc., are secondary. But it is meant to clearly expose that all the S.Asians need to know the extent of unkil's influence in and around the region. Its ability to make life miserable for the movers and shakers at whim.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 22 Dec 2013 19:24

Jwalaji,
Why bring in south asia? who cares how US treats pakis(in fact we want them to treated as dirt,on the contrary corpse kammandus and RAPES are treated well)? It is how they treat Indian diplomats which matters.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 22 Dec 2013 19:29

svenkat ji,
The message is intended to expose the lack of leadership by India. Others, such as Afghans, BDs and others who may think of aligning themselves to accommodate Indian interests are put on notice. The reason that message is reinforced is to simply state "A non-leader who can't take care of its own interests, what chance does it have taking care of others". IOW the exposure is to clearly send how flimsy that it is not just intent, but also lack of ability on which other nations may be relying on.

P.s: it is not how it treats other na-pakis, etc.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Dec 2013 19:30

Whatever one may say, there is significant damage to relationship, already suffering from the usual mistrust any normal nation has of the USA, even if the issue is resolved completely to India's satisfaction tomorrow.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 22 Dec 2013 19:31

Absolutely, correct. This damage is by design. What is probably seen as damage by India, is most probably seen as correct and right calibration in the Indian subcontinent by US.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 22 Dec 2013 19:33

SSridhar wrote:Whatever one may say, there is significant damage to relationship, already suffering from the usual mistrust any normal nation has of the USA, even if the issue is resolved completely to India's satisfaction tomorrow.

SS-ji,
I suspect that was the whole point - to show everyone that India is being downgraded by the US administration, and no one should think of aligning with India, since it is weak and powerless. They were perfectly confident that India would not retaliate (and they have been proven correct) under the weak MMS government. So - all in all, I think we should prepare for more `interesting times'.

habal · Post by **habal** » 22 Dec 2013 19:35

JwalaMukhi wrote:svenkat ji,
The message is intended to expose the lack of leadership by India. Others, such as Afghans, BDs and others who may think of aligning themselves to accommodate Indian interests are put on notice. The reason that message is reinforced is to simply state "A non-leader who can't take care of its own interests, what chance does it have taking care of others". IOW the exposure is to clearly send how flimsy that it is not just intent, but also lack of ability on which other nations may be relying on.

P.s: it is not how it treats other na-pakis, etc.

but in real world, the only image they sent across was that of an unreliable bully.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 22 Dec 2013 19:43

Parkalaam. The actions will speak louder than wishes or utterings.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 22 Dec 2013 19:45

I believe, as many others, that this was carefully co-ordinate effort. What are the possible interpretations of US knowingly taking stand to strain relationship, if we were to assume that US is expecting a change non-kangress leadership in 2014 and potentially Delhi like situation in which BJP may not get enough seats to form majority? And the reason for this assumption, quite obvious, is that BJP's PM candidate does not have same feelings for US as MMS has.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 22 Dec 2013 19:45

I wonder it works that way. Uncle can never hope to have our good will with common folks in Afghanistan. India still feared by Pakistan and Panda never bothers for what uncle does. They just want Ladakh, Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh and some other such places.

In fact if India could show some guts ( too much to ask under mafia rule) then we may end up earning some good respect.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 22 Dec 2013 19:49

chaanakya wrote:Yes I am confident, not over confident. The grudge Amirkhan could be nursing against Indians would be that their effort to deal with us in subservient position is frustrated by confident Indian bureaucracy at mid to mid high level who have occasion to interact with them. They thought India would lap up F35 like Vanilla ice-cream or that India would not talk down at US proposal in WTO in recently held plenary or that India would not agree to legal limits on emission reduction, examples are plenty. I recently met Amitabha Kant MD of DMIC who berated Amirkhans in global audience and he was the only person who drew loud applause and Amirkhan representative, fairly high ranking officer in USD, acknowledged that he was having trouble defending his govt policies.

So yes I am confident. They are in for some rough times unintended consequence of DK-SR episode unless resolved amicably. It is MMS and his IMF cronies who want to drivel before Amirkhans not deshi educated young lots. New Lot is more confident in dealing with other countries than the Nehru sponsored old bandicoots.

Let us hope so. You are right on one point, in spite of best efforts by infiltrating every level of Indian institutions, US still did not get what they wanted. Nuke bill is followed by thappad bill in the form of liabilities. Rafael choice was frustrating like a hell. Though they got huge defense deals in terms of money, they couldn't get into a state where India become Pak. It is not business that US is looking for in India but it is the foothold to rollback the indigenous flagship defense programs. For every MUTU there are few passionate Indian professionals like DK.

My negativity comes from the point that the rot cannot continue to expand and that will kill the defenses.

chaanakya wrote:Know the foot soldiers of Unkil.They were sleeping for three years with the info only to wake up at the opportune time to muddy the waters. These are Sleeper cell Journalists employed by ToiLet and other MSM. This is also a warning, in a sense to Babuz, they are constantly under watch and any info against them will be used. If they don't stand up now they will face the consequence.
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One fails to understand the timing of news and that how it is relevant to the treatment of DCG by US, unless one presumes that internally they are controlled.

This tells the depth of involvement and if you extrapolate this other wings, then you will know whether you are confident or over confident.

Assuming that some good new dispensation replaces current government after polls, they will be getting jhappads left and right. Escalations like Aksai Chin, Arunachal Pradesh and in Kashmir - all in one shot. Use the same MSM telling to the world that India has already lost land and the government is useless to recover its own lost land. With so much of infiltration, they can create madness inside. The new government have to tackle such a big item challenges before it can breathe. I am pessimistic.

Mahesh_R · Post by **Mahesh_R** » 22 Dec 2013 19:52

Narayana Rao wrote:In fact if India could show some guts ( too much to ask under mafia rule) then we may end up earning some good respect.

++ sir...in fact this is a very good opp for India even to scare tsp n panda...
I hope we stand tall and show the world...nothing matters when it comes to nations pride....
this is god given opp for India...

but we started seeing our babu's begging for forgiveness...atleast opposition parties shld use this opp....

Madhusudhan · Post by **Madhusudhan** » 22 Dec 2013 20:03

We have gone through our usual cycle in Fast Forward. A terrible outrage happens against India. All of us Jingos get outraged and await strong action. There is initially a lot of bluster and huffing and puffing from the government followed by a steady climb-down and no concrete action. At the end of it, the only thing that gets revealed is that India can only exhibit impotent rage and is nothing more than a soft state against which anything goes.

Sorry.. just frustrated..

Madhusudhan · Post by **Madhusudhan** » 22 Dec 2013 20:06

Guys another interesting media psy-ops angle. When I go to google news and search for "India maid diplomat" stories, For the last day or two all the stories listed on the top ('most relevant') are from US sources that question why there is no outrage about the treatment of the maid. Some of these stories are much older than new stories that are available. Is Google playing some sort of game here or is it something much simpler?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 22 Dec 2013 20:12

Leave Vina alone.

DK's husband being a US national and her children were probably born in the US. This fact is a BIG deal. I'll bet the higher ups in the MEA don't know this and when it came to light, they backed off. Now, the next thing to ask is that did DK apply for a US green card? Yes, that is relevant from the Indian PoV, because if it is, the MEA and GoI will leave her high and dry and she may get prison time. The more information were getting proves that DK and SR are animals of the same stripes.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 22 Dec 2013 20:21

Mort Walker wrote:Leave Vina alone.

DK's husband being a US national and her children were probably born in the US. This fact is a BIG deal. I'll bet the higher ups in the MEA don't know this and when it came to light, they backed off. Now, the next thing to ask is that did DK apply for a US green card? Yes, that is relevant from the Indian PoV, because if it is, the MEA and GoI will leave her high and dry and she may get prison time. The more information were getting proves that DK and SR are animals of the same stripes.

MW ji,
Pliss to go easy on your speculative tripe.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 22 Dec 2013 20:28

Muppalla wrote: . I am pessimistic.

US is not exactly our enemy but they aren't our friends either. The relation is based on mutual interest and transactional in most of the cases. They want our market not our friendship. They don't want us to interfere in their interests in this part of the world and we want to protect our interest. We have given some ground and reclaimed some in absence of leverage of Second Superpower. These US trained IMF cronies are mostly advancing Unkil interest. But by and large indian interests have been protected. US has been stymieing our efforts at indigenous development from the very beginning and our scientists have come this far. No mean feat. So I am not pessimistic.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 22 Dec 2013 20:30

Mort Walker wrote:Leave Vina alone.

DK's husband being a US national and her children were probably born in the US. This fact is a BIG deal. I'll bet the higher ups in the MEA don't know this and when it came to light, they backed off. Now, the next thing to ask is that did DK apply for a US green card? Yes, that is relevant from the Indian PoV, because if it is, the MEA and GoI will leave her high and dry and she may get prison time. The more information were getting proves that DK and SR are animals of the same stripes.

Why is this information relevant? DK in her role represent India. This drama is not about her prestige, but India's and all men and women representing the nation of 1 billion people. Even if she applied for Green Card, it is sad, but it is her problem, and to some extent India if she was allowed to continue in her role. She represents India, not herself in her role as a diplomat. Even if she ends up becoming entangled in other legal areas, we are talking about her time as India's diplomat.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 22 Dec 2013 20:33

Lilo wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:Leave Vina alone.

DK's husband being a US national and her children were probably born in the US. This fact is a BIG deal. I'll bet the higher ups in the MEA don't know this and when it came to light, they backed off. Now, the next thing to ask is that did DK apply for a US green card? Yes, that is relevant from the Indian PoV, because if it is, the MEA and GoI will leave her high and dry and she may get prison time. The more information were getting proves that DK and SR are animals of the same stripes.
MW ji,
Pliss to go easy on your speculative tripe.

Having met consulate staff in the past, they were always looking for ways to get a US green card, this may not be true anymore. It is a legitimate question to ask DK if she did apply for a US green card and where her children were born. As the details come out, I suspect she'll be thrown under the bus.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 22 Dec 2013 20:37

The expose of non-leadership just escalated costs for India. With this exposure, even Iran etc., will now extract substantial price with their dealings with India. Well, Russia will also be knowing fully well, that a down and isolated country is pliable to be twisted to suit their interests. Sure to extract their pound of flesh.

All in all, diplomacy - 101 course, should have taught that real world is tougher. Real world doesn't tolerate any pretenders. Either, one gets respect by clearly safe-guarding ones interests. Else, if every violation by na-pakis/others is treated as minor misdemeanor or worse communal violence with guns and tanks, it progressively sets the bar higher to demonstrate ones leadership. At which time, to recover, the cost associated is enormous.

So, the cost of conducting business with other nations has just been raised. It may seem that this cost may actually be equal to conducting business with US. Maybe that is the intent too.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 22 Dec 2013 20:47

chanakyaa wrote: Why is this information relevant? DK in her role represent India. This drama is not about her prestige, but India's and all men and women representing the nation of 1 billion people. Even if she applied for Green Card, it is sad, but it is her problem, and to some extent India if she was allowed to continue in her role. She represents India, not herself in her role as a diplomat. Even if she ends up becoming entangled in other legal areas, we are talking about her time as India's diplomat.

It is entirely relevant as the GoI will not support her cause vigorously if found she has no motive to return to India and is actually working the system to her advantage. If DK has intentions of staying in the US and "it is her problem", then "it is her problem" she was arrested in the first place. DK's husband being an American is disturbing because for the very fact she represents India and she is compromised.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 22 Dec 2013 20:51

Post deleted. Enough of this nonsense about the capability or otherwise of DK. It does not matter if she came through quota or she landed from Mars. That is not germane to discussion at hand - rohitvats.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 22 Dec 2013 20:52

The Indian MEA needs to see game of thrones.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 22 Dec 2013 20:54

Mort Walker wrote:I'll bet the higher ups in the MEA don't know this and when it came to light, they backed off.

I've never had a positive opinion on India's diplomats in general but even I refuse to believe they are this clueless. This type of thinking will only cloud the real issues and should be dropped asap. While it's quite possible that DK's hubby being a well-settled US citizen is part of the equation, the IFS being total morons is not.

Any "backing off" is merely an indication of reality hitting home, with the urgent need to import 6 more C-130s for example or to make sure the LCA still has an engine next year. Unless we stop being complete idiots in making even the most elementary weapons like trainers, rifles and bullets, we'll have to live with licking ass and get used to it.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 22 Dec 2013 21:29

Another Kerala connection

Bangalore child abuse: French diplomat Pascal Mazurier says wife fears kids will reveal truth

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/bang ... 42089.html

French diplomat Pascal Mazurier , who has been accused of raping his 4-year-old daughter, has alleged that his wife is trying to frame him. Mazurier said that kids are being trated as puppets as his wife fears that they will reveal the truth.

The French diplomat has spoken out for the first time in front of the camera. Speaking exclusively to Headlines Today, he alleged that several organisations are taking advantage of the situation.

Pascal Mazurier, arrested in June on charges of sexually assaulting his four-year-old daughter, was granted conditional bail by the Karnataka High Court on October 17, 2012.

Mazurier, deputy head of chancery in the French consulate in Bangalore, has to furnish a personal bond of Rs.100,000, with two sureties for the like sum, surrender his passport to a local court, not leave Bangalore without the court's permission, and not tamper with witnesses.

Justice HN Nagamohan Das granted him bail on these conditions.

Mazurier, who does not enjoy diplomatic immunity, was arrested June 19 on a complaint by his Kerala-born wife Suja Jones that he had sexually abused their four-year-old daughter on June 13.

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/bang ... 42089.html

Suja Jones side of the story

http://www.sacw.net/article3977.html

sraj · Post by **sraj** » 22 Dec 2013 22:06

JE Menon wrote:It's a question of how the US wants to deal with this. We will observe and we will remember.

We have done the US or it's diplomats no harm as far as I know.

It's not a matter of a crime being investigated, which would be fine and Indian diplomats have faced the music on both sides in the past on that - without hackles being raised. We get it.

Here, however, a deliberate and closely calibrated multiple-agency operation was executed to publicly demonstrate, in the worst way possible from an Indian point of view (the humiliation of a mother of two and a representative of the Indian state), the powerlessness of India in the face of such an act.

The US needs to explain why this happened and undo it. This will be extremely harmful to relations otherwise.

+1

Bigger picture issue: US State Department has long been known to be a locus of anti-India policy, with its outmoded balance of power thinking and policies in the Indian sub-continent. They need to be rendered ineffective in dealing with India, a la Robin Raphel.

Net Result: either their political masters will sideline them for future substantive dealings with India, or they will reform in the interest of self-preservation.

GoI needs to make sure US diplomats and consular staff in India implement "equal pay for equal work" policies for all work performed by Indian nationals on "deemed US territory". GoI also needs to mandate US minimum wages for all domestic help employed by US diplomats and consular staff (they can always bring in domestic help from the US instead if they don't like this!). This needs to be coupled with a requirement to file extensive paperwork annually certifying that this is the case, standard contracts in format provided by GoI are in place, all taxes have been paid, all benefits mandated by local law are being provided, etc. Let's make India a real, not faux, "hardship" posting for these guys.

US State Department has itself set a precedent for above: in response to a Mexican rule mandating that the US mission buy only cars manufactured in Mexico, the State Department forced the Mexican Embassy in US to buy only cars manufactured in Mexico -- until the issue was resolved by both sides retreating from their positions.

One marker to follow in near future: Uzra Zia is Acting Assistant Secretary for Human Rights etc etc. Let's see if she is confirmed in this position and/or where she goes from there.

This GoI's sincerity in implementing strict reciprocity with specific reference to US also needs to be monitored closely over coming months.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 22 Dec 2013 22:07

Apparently some Lha Social work was part of this entire mess. What business did they have in spiriting away an Indian national abroad? That too should be looked into. The term useful idiots comes to mind. Getting involved in something that can impact national ties and glibly justifying it.

Indians clearly are patsies for this sort of stuff because they lack faith in GOI, think it is compromised etc and so will clutch at any straw irrespective of the larger picture. She refers to Bharara as Sangeeta's lawyer and glibly ignores the entire mistreatment, diplomat being mistreated issue.

Apurva Kashyap · Works at Lha Social Work

Anyone reading this article could say its been written by 'a person close to Devyani'! I'd like to reply to the author's points in exactly the same way, only, I'm going to rely on facts rather than on bias. And you may ask what my source of information is, I had personally been handling the case of Sangeeta Richard when her troubled husband and kids reached out to our NGO in Delhi for legal help.

1. Devyani was not in the capacity to 'promise' Sangeeta a salary. She was, instead, bound to pay her according to the US Labour laws. Devyani's is the third case of slavery and payment of low wages in the Indian Diplomatic history. She should have done a little research and learnt about the price the other diplomats had to pay for their attempt to evade the law and followed the US policy. Apart from that, there is no proof, whatsoever, to back the statement that Devyani gave Sangeeta several hundred dollars per month. That is a baseless statement only a 'close friend' could come up with.

2 & 3. Within a month of reaching the States, Sangeeta reported to her husband in India, of harassment at work. She worked from 7am to 11pm, was sometimes woken up in the middle of the night to attend to Devyani's kids.

4. Sangeeta's passport was confiscated by Devyani right on arrival in the States. After the ill treatment, all Sangeeta wished for was to return to India. She requested Devyani to send her back but the same was met with a stern refusal. When Sangeeta tried contacting the immigration office, Devyani implicated her on a false charge of theft. Her husband and kids received threat calls from Devyani's father, Uttam Khobragade, and were frequented by the police in Delhi for no reason. This was all done in order to send out a message to Sangeeta, that her family was within reach, and one wrong move could cost her her family.

5. Sangeeta's life was under threat in India, and so was the case with her family. She knew it would be a lost battle if she went back to India. There is no doubt that Sangeeta didn't want to return to India after everything had gone so wrong. But not because she wanted a US citizenship. She just wanted safety for her family and herself at that point of time. She had doubts that she would never get justice if she went back to India.

6. There is mention of the case registered against Sangeeta but no word about the Writ petition filed before the Delhi High Court against Devyani, Uttam Khobragade and the Delhi police.

In response to the allegations against the US police of mistreating Devyani, handcuffing her in public, there is a statement released by Sangeeta's lawyer, Preet Bharara: http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/devya ... ara-460476 When we so conveniently believed everything stated by Devyani, why should we believe the statement released by Preet?

Belonging to a marginalised community doesn't give anyone the right to exploit another person. Nor does it give him the immunity to evade the law in any manner or gain public sympathy for the same reason. Moreover, it creates an obligation on him, to treat other beings in a manner he would like to be treated. If my message creates any impact on the ongoing debate on the issue, there's a high possibility that I will suffer in the hands of those who decide to bend the laws for their personal gain. However, its a chance I'm willing to take in the spirit of justice!

Oh, and did we hear about the Khobragade family being involved in the Adarsh scam! That's a matter we shall leave for another time.

Jai Hind!

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 22 Dec 2013 22:28

Lha Charitable Trust is a grass-roots, 12AA & 80G non-profit and one of the largest Tibetan social work organizations based in Dharamsala, India.. We aim to provide vital resources for Tibetan refugees, the local Indian population, and people from the Himalayan regions. Founded in 1997 and registered as a charitable trust by the H.P Indian Government in 2005, Lha has continuously provided vital resources to those in need for over 14 years.

What it has to do with this exfiltration work being a NGO for Tibatan refugees. This nature of work is not even mentioned on their website. Its offical address is Dharmshala and not indicated that it has any office in Delhi . Though it could have as there are tibetan refugees there. Must have been used to avoid drawing attention from prying eyes. It seems, and as hinted by Many here, NGOs and their source of funding need to be checked.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 22 Dec 2013 22:34

Many,many NGOs are running a parallel govt with foreign funding,under foreign directions and with foreign interests at heart.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 22 Dec 2013 22:38

G. Parathasarthy categorically said on a Times Now program on the issue that Sangeeta Richards is in touch with very powerful Church groups in USA; groups which have a very strong influence in the SD and they are the ones who moved the wheels.