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Surasena wrote:
Documentary: Reinventing the British Empire
Wacth the Video

New Howard Brenton play tells story of Indian partition. A new play tells the story of the British man who was responsible for drawing up the border between India and Pakistan after their independence from British rule in 1947. Drawing the Line - at London's Hampstead Theatre - has been written by Howard Brenton and stars Tom Beard as Cyril Radcliffe. The play focuses on the weeks leading up to partition, when Radcliffe was sent to Delhi to oversee the creation of a new India and Pakistan. He had just six weeks to make a decision - and once it was made, he never spoke of it again. The act of partition saw the displacement of millions of people on different sides of the border - and continues to affect the region even now.
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:mrgreen: Calls for shariah law in Britan, pretty soon brits will be learning how 'just' shariah law is & how good it is to lead a life of dhimmi

Muslim protestors demand restaurants and shops stop selling 'evil' alcohol warning them they face 40 lashes if they carry on
1) Dozens of men and women gathered on Brick Lane, East London
2) Delayed as English Defence League members staged counter-protest
3) Among protestors was Anjem Choudhary, former leader of Al-Muhajiroun
4) Organisers said protest was held yesterday to coincide with large numbers of office workers expected to be celebrating Christmas in the area

Dozens of Muslim protestors gathered to demand that businesses stop selling alcohol in a popular East London area yesterday.

The group, led by former Al-Muhajiroun leader Anjem Choudary, warned restaurants and shops in the Brick Lane area that they face 40 lashes if they continue to sell the product 8) , which is banned under Sharia Law.

He also defended three ‘fantastic’ men who were jailed last week for attacking drinkers while on a ‘Muslim patrol’.

He was referring to an incident in which Jordan Horner and another Islamic extremist told a couple they could not hold hands while walking down the street, because it was in a 'Muslim area'.(mini dar-ul-islam)

The radicals also attacked a group of men drinking in the road, and told a woman she would face 'hell fire' because of the way she was dressed.

Horner, 19, Ricardo MacFarlane, 36, and a 23-year-old man who cannot be named for legal reasons were sentenced to 68 weeks, 12 months and 24 weeks in prison respectively.

Groups associated with Choudary were last month labelled the ‘single biggest gateway to terrorism in recent British history’.

The radical Islamist has been identified as the link between groups who encourage the safe passage of British and European Muslims into Syria where they join Al Qaeda-linked forces.
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Karan M wrote:
Rahul M wrote:if you want to see how post-imperium angst looks like, try these (from a brit mil forum)

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so when are wales and islamic republic of bradford seceding. the UK should make sure HR of minorities are respected because after all UK is a nuclear armed nation and world community would not want a flashpoint to develop. :wink:
Separatism is not illegal in the UK. Also UK authorities are always constrained and do work within the constraints of the law.
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kish ji,
it will be a fight between equals. Where deception, pretension, sadism, moral grandstanding while indulging in the lowest of low blows, they are equals. The problem is that one of them is a known swinger/prostitute in terms of ideology and religion - it switches according to convenience and profits. So the outcome is predictable.
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brihaspati wrote:kish ji,
it will be a fight between equals. Where deception, pretension, sadism, moral grandstanding while indulging in the lowest of low blows, they are equals. The problem is that one of them is a known swinger/prostitute in terms of ideology and religion - it switches according to convenience and profits. So the outcome is predictable.
B Ji,

Like you have said in Bangladesh thread, how an Indian will betray another Indian for his personal interests. Here an American-Indian (preet barara) hounding an Indian(Devyani Khobragade) to further his political career in US.

preet barara post
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kish wrote: B Ji,

Like you have said in Bangladesh thread, how an Indian will betray another Indian for his personal interests. Here an American-Indian (preet barara) hounding an Indian(Devyani Khobragade) to further his political career in US.

preet barara post
Preet Barara is an American citizen of Indian ancestry - CHECK.

So, why does he India or Indians anything? He allegiance lies with HIS COUNTRY - USA. He owes India and Indians nothing. And we should stop expecting something just because he has Indian ancestry. Let us get over with it.
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rohitvats wrote:
kish wrote: B Ji,

Like you have said in Bangladesh thread, how an Indian will betray another Indian for his personal interests. Here an American-Indian (preet barara) hounding an Indian(Devyani Khobragade) to further his political career in US.

preet barara post
Preet Barara is an American citizen of Indian ancestry - CHECK.

So, why does he India or Indians anything? He allegiance lies with HIS COUNTRY - USA. He owes India and Indians nothing. And we should stop expecting something just because he has Indian ancestry. Let us get over with it.
Saar, that is the point B ji was making in Bangladesh thread. Recent events reinforces what he said, i was just pointing it out.

It is true his allegiance lies with USA, but he was born in Firozpur, Punjab-India. My concern is Jewish-Americans lobby for the welfare of Israel, Paki-Americans do the same for pakisatan. But IMHO, his actions are a witch hunt to further his political carrier which was mentioned in that Business-standard article.
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A certain type of Indian thinking - uses a vague mythology of "dharma", without ever caring to really fish out the context in which the word was used - to generically justify any opportunism that he/she indulges in. For them, say, if they are of Indian origins visibly or traceably, they fill that they need to be extra-hard against Indians to prove their loyalty to their new or current formal affiliations.

The fact is that most other labeled identities in USA or other "powerful" countries, do bat in favour of their "origin" identities to a much more fanatical extent, than Indians apparently do. Such extra-loyal behaviour is actually in response to cue that the majority identity encourages, applauds, rewards such extra-loyal anti-origins behaviour.

But that in turn is a reflection of the lack of identity cohesion and identity activism to the degree say "Hispanics" or "Irish-Americans" indulge in. Individuals think they can shine by bashing fellow Indians, because they know that they will not be retaliated against in any form by the "community". Perhaps, and this is a speculation. I avoid going to the country, unless it really is required on professional terms and therefore have onlee a fly-by impression nowadays. So maybe things are changing on the ground and I have not kept up with the wind.

Social rejection is a potent weapon. Even in the US. Without networks in the wider community, any such individual will be a hanging limp noodle, and useless for the purposes of his/her admirers. By the way, there does appear to be a growing number of "next-next-gens" who are hired to keep an eye on the community. Typically this is the precursor to having moles and agents provocateurs. They are selected with deliberate attention to blending capabilities and shame for what is perceived to be "backward/undesirable in India" as taught.
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kish ji,
I am not aware of the details of the case, looks like magnificient self-goals from people who have not done their homeworks well, and hence this case will not go far and will die out quickly. So I am not sure how far the PIO has overstepped the limits of due process. But if he has overstepped, then he is not simply proving loyalty - but denying his origins - "janani janmabhumischa swargadapi..", if he ever tries to justify his excess as "observing dharma" == "loyalty to employer/host". Dharma would have been "fairness" and justice as seeking truth with compassion.

But then again he might not even bother with being "dharmik".

It would be interesting to see a PIO go against some prevailing US law or practice or "national interest" on "justified" "principles" or because it goes against "law". Any PIO involved in "occupy" or "anti-surveillance" type movements based on "principles"? Or they do not find the US admin/state/authorities ever on the wrong based on "principles"?

Test of principles come, when they are applied equally without mumbling about contexts, nuances, to cover for selection bias. Maybe he will prove unbiasedness over a lifetime. I don;t know.
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Wunderbar! Deutschland,Deutschland uber alles..."! Der turd Reich is alive and kicking vell in mittle Englund.Der Englunders of der Tory party revealed themselves to be true Nazis at a stag party!
Briton faces fine for wearing Nazi uniform at France stag party
Briton Mark Fournier faces €1,500 fine for wearing Nazi uniform and insignia at stag party in Val Thorens ski resort, famously attended by Aiden Burley, the Conservative MP.

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By Henry Samuel, Paris
18 Dec 2013

French prosecutors on Wednesday called for a €1,500 (£1,258) fine against a Briton who wore a Nazi uniform and insignia to his stag party at a French ski-resort, attended by Aiden Burley, a Conservative MP.

Mr Burley, MP for Cannock Chase, was sacked as parliamentary private secretary to the Transport Minister after British media published footage of the party and reported that guests had been toasting the memory of Nazi leaders.

Mark Fournier, the stag, was subsequently prosecuted for wearing a Nazi uniform and insignia, which is illegal in France.

A police tribunal in Albertville in the French Alps will deliver its verdict on January 21.

The controversial party took place on December 3, 2011 in a restaurant in Val Thorens, Europe's highest ski resort in the famous Three Valleys range.

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Mr Fournier, who was photographed in full SS regalia whilst giving the Nazi salute, initially faced more serious charges including denial of war crimes or crimes against humanity and incitement to racial hatred.

During the drink-filled soirée, one of the guests raised a glass to "the ideology and thought process of the Third Reich".

In end, Mr Fournier was charged only with wearing the uniform of an organisation guilty of crimes against humanity.

The fine requested is the maximum authorised for that specific offence.

In his client's defence, Mr Fournier's lawyer, Michel Roubaud, cited Prince Harry's wearing of a Nazi uniform in 2005.

"English law does not consider the wearing of a Nazi uniform to be, in itself, a crime. We can see that from the conduct of Prince Harry," Mr Roubaud told AFP.

"My client's behaviour was not ideologically motivated. It was organised by his best man, the MP, and took place in the context of a boozy stag party.

"He asked his MP friend if it was against the law to wear a Nazi uniform in France and he told him 'no'."

Mr Fournier, an Oxford graduate, was sacked from his job as a result of the furore and has not been able to find another job.

The lawyer said it was "deeply unfair" that Mr Burley had not been prosecuted alongside his friend given his role in organising the uniforms.

Olivier Fernex de Mongex, speaking on behalf of an organisation that represents Holocaust victims and survivors, said Mr Fournier's actions could not be overlooked.

"You cannot classify these acts as a schoolboy joke," he said. Mr de Mongex's organisation is seeking €1,000 in damages plus interest from Mr Fournier in a parallel civil case.

Mr Burley courted fresh controversy after the stag scandal by slamming the opening ceremony of the 2012 Olympic Games, as "leftie multicultural crap".

David Cameron denounced his remarks as "completely wrong ... an idiotic thing to say".
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Muslim staff at Marks & Spencer can refuse to sell alcohol and pork

A very large portion of supermarket customers buy meat products of one variety or another, of which very few are halal. This should be fun!
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Can their Catholic staff make pinholes in their condoms?
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^^^^
Interesting thought, but the last time I checked, M&S didn't retail any "family planning" products, gourmet or otherwise!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25495315
Royal pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing

Computer pioneer and codebreaker Alan Turing has been given a posthumous royal pardon.

It addresses his 1952 conviction for homosexuality for which he was punished by being chemically castrated.

The conviction meant he lost his security clearance and had to stop the code-cracking work that had proved vital to the Allies in World War Two.

The pardon was granted under the Royal Prerogative of Mercy after a request by Justice Minister Chris Grayling.
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Pardon? Instead of an apology? Ha!
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A fair point there. Did not think of that. :(
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^^^^
The PM of the UK apologised to Turing in 2009:

PM's apology to codebreaker Alan Turing: we were inhumane
Acknowledging the strength of feeling, Brown wrote: "Thousands of people have come together to demand justice for Alan Turing and recognition of the appalling way he was treated. While Turing was dealt with under the law of the time and we can't put the clock back, his treatment was of course utterly unfair and I am pleased to have the chance to say how deeply sorry I and we all are for what happened to him.

"Alan and the many thousands of other gay men who were convicted as he was convicted under homophobic laws were treated terribly. Over the years millions more lived in fear of conviction.

"This recognition of Alan's status as one of Britain's most famous victims of homophobia is another step towards equality and long overdue."

"But even more than that, Alan deserves recognition for his contribution to humankind … It is thanks to men and women who were totally committed to fighting fascism, people like Alan Turing, that the horrors of the Holocaust and of total war are part of Europe's history and not Europe's present.

"So on behalf of the British government, and all those who live freely thanks to Alan's work I am very proud to say: we're sorry, you deserved so much better."
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He was ordered for chemical castration. How inhuman can you get ? At least I am proud of the fact that such barbarism was not practised ever in our history. I can purely imagine if they could Oder such things 50 years back, what could they have done to Krantikari's during raj times :(
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proud to say we are sorry?? what a weird letter
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MAY 22, 2006

Britain's Kenyan Crimes

An argument which is routinely brought up whenever one asks why Europeans are to be left off the hook for failing to show remorse or offer compensation for crimes just as bad as those they condemn Japan for, is that their particular misdeeds happened further back in time, and therefore some sort of statute of limitations ought to be applied setting British, French, Dutch and Belgian savagery apart from what the Japanese did in China and Singapore. The problem with this argument, however, is that apart from the choice of cutoff date being suspiciously convenient - we are supposed to look just far back enough to be able to condemn the Japanese while leaving Europe out of it, but no further - the reality of European imperialism is that it and the brutalities which were intrinsic to it actually outlasted Japan's empire, and many of the perpetrators of the most outrageous crimes are alive and prospering today in cities like London, Paris and Brussels, and with the full protection and active collusion of the governments on whose behalf they carried out their deeds.

As an illustration of the sheer extent of European selective amnesia and hypocrisy, the extremely poorly known history of Britain's suppression of the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya serves as well as any, and as such I've chosen to provide below a few excerpts from this LRB review of two recent histories of the topic. If your image of the British Empire derives from watching "Gunga Din", "Lawrence of Arabia", "Zulu Dawn" and other self-congratulatory whitewashed nonsense, what you're about to read will seem like alternate-history fiction to you, but the fact is that it really did all happen.

First, a little information about the concentration camps set up by the British, and about the large numbers of deaths which occurred in them.

The British declared the Kenya Emergency in 1952, when seven years of restless dissatisfaction with British rule culminated in the full-scale rebellion known as Mau Mau. It was very largely the struggle of the Kikuyu, the country’s majority ethnic group – about 1.5 million in a native population of five million – who had lost much of their land to white settlers and had moved into reservations or continued farming as tenants. The Emergency saw out two prime ministers – Churchill and Eden – and ended in January 1960. In that time, Mau Mau supporters killed at least 2000 African civilians and inflicted some 200 casualties on the army and police. In all, 32 white settlers died in the rebellion. For their part, the British hanged more than 1000 Kikuyu, detained at least 150,000 and, according to official figures, killed around 12,000 in combat, though the real figure, in David Anderson’s view, is ‘likely to have been more than 20,000’. In addition, Caroline Elkins claims, up to 100,000 died in the detention camps.
"Concentration camps?", I hear you saying to yourself; "Isn't that just overblown PC rhetoric?" The truth of the matter, though, is that herding people into concentration camps to die was nothing new for the British: they'd already employed them to deadly effect on Afrikaner women and children as far back as the second Boer War, and they were to do so not just in Kenya but also in the course of the Malaysian "Emergency" of the same period.

In any case, let us leave this topic aside now and return to our main focus. I quote the following material because it illustrates that the British government was well aware of the illegality of its conduct in Kenya while engaging in it, and as these deeds were occuring in the late 1950s, after both Nuremburg and the Tokyo trials, the British lacked even the defense available to the likes of Hermann Goering and Hideki Tojo that many of the wrongs they'd been accused of did not in fact contravene standing international law ("crimes against peace" being one such example). It was with such awareness in mind that the British government went out of its way to dispose of as much incriminating evidence as it possibly could.
It is the scale of the British atrocities in Kenya that is the most startling revelation of these books. We always knew about the Mau Mau atrocities, of course: assiduously retailed to the British public by the authorities in Kenya through the Colonial Office, and right-wing newspapers like the Daily Mail [...] But for years the equally savage abuses by British officers and their African collaborators in the detention camps, controlled villages and courtrooms of Kenya were mostly hidden from people at home. They knew some of it – indeed, did what they could to put an end to it after the scandalous British beatings of detainees at Hola camp in 1959, which left 11 dead and 60 seriously wounded – but nothing like the whole. Alan Lennox-Boyd, colonial secretary for much of this period, and one of the villains of both these books, can take much of the credit. First he denied abuses, then when that was no longer possible he dismissed them as exceptional (‘bad apples’), and appealed to his critics to remember what they were up against in Kenya: not an ordinary policing problem, but an outbreak of atavistic ‘evil’ – a useful word when you are confronting something you don’t understand. ‘Duplicity at its finest’, Elkins calls this. He also had a nice line in discrediting whistle-blowers. Then, when the British eventually left Kenya, they made bonfires of most of the incriminating material about the detention camps [...] Elkins tells us that she was taken in by Colonial Office propaganda at the beginning of her research, as she leafed through the files at the Public Record Office, and realised the extent of their mendacity only when she went out to Kenya to see and hear for herself.
And what about the supposed sense of "fair play" and respect for the impartial rule of law which the British Empire supposedly exemplified?
Anderson focuses mainly on the trials of Mau Mau suspects. He has read the trial transcripts and pieced together a picture of systematic injustice. Defendants were poorly represented, convicted on highly dubious evidence, often from dodgy informers, or after having confessions beaten out of them, by judges who were usually highly prejudiced. One judge was (effectively) bribed to reach a guilty verdict: he was paid £20,000 to come out from Britain to put Kenyatta behind barbed wire in 1953. Many defendants were hanged for much lesser offences than murder; often they were innocent. The number hanged, 1090, was a record for any British colony of the time, and more even than were executed by the French in Algeria. The reprieved and acquitted did not go free. Most were sent to camps for interrogation or ‘re-education’ – or just to rot away out of sight of nervous Europeans. Most of the rest of the Kikuyu population (including thousands from Nairobi) were herded into ‘emergency villages’ enclosed in barbed wire. All this turned Kenya into what Anderson calls ‘a police state in the very fullest sense of that term’.
Reads like something out of the Soviet Union or Communist China, doesn't it? But wait until you read about what things were like in the "re-education" camps into which these Mau-Mau suspects were herded.
It was a culture of routine beatings, starvation, killings (the hanged represent only a small fraction of those who died in British custody during the Emergency) and torture of the most grotesque kinds. Alsatian dogs were used to terrify prisoners and then ‘maul’ them. There are other similarities with Abu Ghraib: various indignities were devised using human faeces; men were forced to sodomise one another. They also had sand, pepper and water stuffed in their anuses. One apparently had his testicles cut off, and was then made to eat them. ‘Things got a little out of hand,’ one (macho European) witness told Elkins, referring to another incident. ‘By the time we cut his balls off he had no ears, and his eyeball, the right one, I think, was hanging out of its socket. Too bad, he died before we got much out of him.’ Women were gang-raped, had their nipples squeezed with pliers, and vermin and hot eggs thrust into their vaginas. Children were butchered and their body parts paraded around on spears.
Such nice chaps, such jolly good fellows, these sons of Albion, not at all like the monstrous Japanese ... Then there's the following beauty of a tale.
Anderson quotes the testimony of a European officer in 1962, recalling an attempt to interrogate some ‘Mickeys’ – a slang name for the Mau Mau.
They wouldn’t say a thing, of course, and one of them, a tall coal-black ********, kept grinning at me, real insolent. I slapped him hard, but he kept right on grinning at me, so I kicked him in the balls as hard as I could. He went down in a heap but when he finally got up on his feet he grinned at me again and I snapped, I really did. I stuck my revolver right in his grinning mouth and I said something, I don’t remember what, and I pulled the trigger. His brains went all over the side of the police station. The other two Mickeys were standing there looking blank. I said to them that if they didn’t tell me where to find the rest of the gang I’d kill them too. They didn’t say a word so I shot them both. One wasn’t dead so I shot him in the ear. When the sub-inspector drove up, I told him that the Mickeys tried to escape. He didn’t believe me but all he said was ‘bury them and see the wall is cleared up.’
The significant thing here (apart from the refusal of the three prisoners to co-operate) is that the officer had no qualms about describing all this.
Talk about an understatement. I quote one more passage now, this time to put British veterans' incessant whining about Japan's treatment of POWs into proper perspective.
In March 1953 a British policeman wrote a letter to his buddies back at Streatham police station bragging about the ‘Gestapo stuff’ that was going on in his new posting in Nyeri. All this happened a few years after the war, so such analogies came quickly to mind. The critics – many of whom had fought against Nazi Germany – knew what they were talking about. One relatively liberal police chief in Kenya claimed that conditions in the detention camps were far worse than those he had suffered as a Japanese POW.
Who would know better than one who'd been there? And yet this is the same nation which on the one hand has a sitting Chancellor who can say that Britain has no reason to "keep" [sic] apologizing for its Empire (as if it had ever began doing so), and on the other hand has condemned the Japanese government on any number of occasions for deeds less severe than those it has yet to officially own up to.

The following links are suggested for those readers interested in learning more about Britain's actions in Kenya during the "Mau Mau" period.
Economist | British Colonial History: Mau Mau and the Bodysnatchers

Author Details Harsh British Rule in Kenya (NPR Audio)

Guardian: British Brutality in Mau Mau Conflict

BBC News | Correspondent | Kenya: White Terror
Now, let me make it clear that my intention in providing the material above isn't to say that the British Empire was an unalloyed evil; it certainly had its pluses - albeit for some peoples more than others - and these must be weighed in the balance when making an assessment of the legacy of British imperialism, but the fact is that to the extent Britain's imperial past is brought up at all these days, only the flattering things tend to get mentioned, as if it were possible to come to rule a quarter of the entire globe without engaging in centuries of killing, looting and raping: men do not voluntarily subject themselves to a foreign yoke except under pain of death, and for going on three centuries no peoples were better at dealing out death or the threat of it than the British, a capacity we see was still fully intact in Kenya in the late 1950s.

By all objective considerations, then, if we are to judge today's Japanese as latent ultranationalists and militarists because of their reluctance to play up the negatives of their imperial past to our satisfaction, and in the face of Japan's long historical record of isolationism outside of Hideyoshi's mad schemes and the 1895-1945 period, then the British people, who have been involved in too many military engagements to count in the last 30 years alone, let alone over the last millenium, must be Satan's personal representatives on Earth, with every UK citizen a Terminator-like specimen of utter ruthlessness and aggression. Only a lunatic would believe that this is in any way a fit description of the average person who sits down to watch "Coronation Street" or "Big Brother" every night, but we are willing to believe the worst of the Japanese on a far flimsier basis, and the only reason I can see for this egregious double standard is that the "Yellow Peril" lives on in many hearts and minds: as reluctant as many are to admit it, the conviction that the Japanese are intrinsically "sneaky" and diabolical is one which still has widespread purchase, and it is for this reason that any number of Japanese apologies are dismissed as "insincere" or "duplicitous" by parties which have never acknowledged let alone apologized for even a minute portion of the evils they've inflicted on others. That is why British opinionists can breezily rationalize away demands for greater recognition of past misdeeds as so much money-grubbing "PC" nonsense, even though the misdeeds occurred after those for which the Japanese are never to be forgiven, and that is why Europeans of every stripe feel free to play up the positive aspects of their past aggressions even while lambasting Japanese public figures for attempting the same (and often with much more justification).

In closing, it would be nice to live in a world in which people everywhere were completely forthright about unflattering aspects of the histories they lay claim to, but until we do, I see no reason to single one nation out from the rest as particularly in the wrong for falling prey to a universal human weakness, and that to a lesser extent than virtually all of its condemners. Nor is the answer, as some apologists for perpetual grievance would like to maintain, that everyone foster the seemingly bottomless resentment towards their former colonizers that the Chinese and Koreans nurture against Japan, but an acceptance that not all past grievances can be settled to the full satisfaction of those who suffered them, and that in any case there are more important things in life than score settling between entire peoples: the alternative to this realization is to go on like the Serbs, Croats and Bosnians, still fuming and fighting over humiliations incurred hundreds of years ago, and whose every attempt at vengeance only breeds new resentments waiting to be avenged in the future.

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We'll never have it so good again

The middle classes can no longer afford the houses and schools that their parents did – and the future looks even more squeezed for their children
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It's Christmas, Not a 'Season': Britain Must Defeat Political Correctness and Amateurish Cultural Homogenisation

My latest article, which you may be interested in: it's a perspective on the dumbing down of indigenous culture in Britain - from an Indian perspective.

The same principle of watering down the majority culture also applies to India and Hinduism, which will be the subject of one of my future articles. As always, I don't believe in taking pot shots at any community, and instead just making a point with compassion, fairness and logic - i.e., the Indian way.

Best wishes,

Abhaey
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No wonder the NHS waiting lists are not getting shorter. The doctors have gone off to Syria sans visa (queues too long, I understand) and come back incapacitated. The Foreign Office appears to have run out of sentiments, or paper, or possibly both (given that it's probably populated by inebriated young men and women who stay up all night watching the Ashes).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25517356
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http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/997305/turing.pdf

Text of the Turing Pardon


http://abovethelaw.com/2013/12/the-mist ... an-turing/

The Mistake Behind The Posthumous Pardon Of Alan Turing
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India terminates AgustaWestland helicopter deal

Indian government says it has formally terminated a $770m deal to buy 12 British-made helicopters after corruption allegations

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... -deal.html


AgustaWestland Deal Cancelled By India

A lucrative contract with a Yeovil-based firm has been terminated with "immediate effect" by India after allegations of kickbacks.


http://news.sky.com/story/1189151/agust ... d-by-india
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... opter-deal

AgustaWestland row likely to ground India 'special partnership'
UK hope of resolving Delhi's concerns over £466m helicopter deal faded nearly a year ago when bribery claims first surfaced

When David Cameron led a trade delegation to India in February last year, it looked like the ideal opportunity to recast Anglo-Indian relations as a "special partnership".

That was certainly how the trip was being spun but, annoyingly for the prime minister, those plans hit an immediate snag.

Problems with a 2010 deal in which India had ordered 12 helicopters from Anglo-Italian firm AgustaWestland, designed to carry high-ranking officials, threatened to overshadow Cameron's smooth sales patter. His Indian counterpart, Manmohan Singh, told a joint press conference: "I conveyed to the prime minister our very serious concerns regarding allegations of unethical means used to secure the 2010 contract for AgustaWestland helicopters. I told him that we have sought an explanation from the company to examine if the contractual conditions on unethical practices and the integrity pact have been violated."

Cameron was left with little option but to promise British co-operation with that investigation, but with India announcing on Wednesday that it has terminated the deal following accusations that the firm had bribed Indian officials to alter altitude specifications, the UK government is no longer so keen to talk publicly about its involvement in the case.

A spokeswoman for UK Trade and Investment, part of the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills which assists UK firms' export efforts, declined to comment on what assistance New Delhi has received from London. On the termination of the contract, she added: "We are awaiting formal confirmation from the Indian government."

If that makes it sounds as though the Indian air force sprung a surprise attack on Wednesday, it didn't.

The deal had looked dead from February, when the bribery allegations first surfaced and Italian prosecutors in Milan arrested Giuseppe Orsi, the boss of AgustaWestland's parent company, the giant Italian defence corporation Finmeccanica. Orsi, who was charged with bribing Indian officials but denies any wrongdoing, headed AgustaWestland in 2010 when the contract was signed.

India immediately responded by freezing the contract and suspending payments to the British firm. It also launched an inquiry by its main law enforcement agency, the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI). In August India's comptroller and auditor general's office (CAG) found what it said was wrongdoing in the deal.

In its report, the CAG said the defence ministry had initially set a condition that the helicopters be able to fly to an altitude of 6,000 metres, which meant AgustaWestland could not compete since its AW-101 model was certified to fly only to 4,572m.

Later, the ministry lowered the minimum altitude requirement to 4,500 metres, even though the helicopters were expected to be used in northern and north-eastern parts of the country, where terrain is mountainous and altitudes are high, the auditor said.

By October AgustaWestland was pressing for arbitration to settle the contractual dispute, but India refused and launched legal proceedings to cancel the deal. A November meeting between the two sides, ostensibly to explore ways of saving the contract, was reported as being a sham, with one Indian defence ministry source describing the meeting to the Times as a "face-saving exercise".

Having resisted arbitration, however, the Indian government appeared to concede to it in its statement on Wednesday when it said it had appointed its own arbitrator. It is thought it will attempt to negotiate a "termination" of the contract, rather than a "cancellation", meaning the Indian air force retains the three of the 12 AW-101 helicopters it has already taken delivery of. It is expected to then seek to adjust the 45% of the overall contract value that it has already paid to AgustaWestland.

AgustaWestland has made India a cornerstone of its growth plans, reportedly selling nearly 50 aircraft there, while it has also been establishing a joint venture with the Indian industrial giant Tata.

India was the world's biggest importer of major arms in the four years to 2012, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.

The manufacturer, which denies any wrongdoing, signed a £1bn deal to supply Norway with 16 AW-101 helicopters last month.
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Published on Jan 06, 2014
By Simon Johnson
Lord Robertson: Scottish independence could lead to UK's disintegration: Telegraph UK
Scottish independence would put the United Kingdom on the “road to disintegration” and could trigger the “re-Balkanisation” of Europe, a former Nato secretary general has warned the American public.

Writing in the Washington Post, Lord Robertson of Port Ellen warned of the damage Scottish separation would cause to the UK on the world stage, which he said was the “United State’ oldest and closest ally”.

He said the global balance of power would be “substantially upset”, especially if the Nationalists pushed ahead with their threat to expel Trident, and the “ripple effects” would not be limited to the UK.

Separatist movements in Spain and Belgium may also succeed in breaking away, he said, leading to a more fragmented Europe that is more unstable and more likely to produce “strife and dissension”.

Lord Robertson also accused the SNP of offering Scottish voters a “real pig in a poke” because key issues such as currency and EU membership cannot be resolved until after a ‘yes’ vote.

The former Labour Defence Secretary concluded: “This is no romantic ‘Braveheart’ moment. The separatists are deadly serious, well-organised and well-funded.

“Britain’s friends around the world need to pay attention. A dangerous historic event might soon be upon us — with few people outside the UK even noticing.”

The Washington Post has previously warned in an editorial that Scottish independence would weaken America’s foremost ally and create a “less stable world” because Scotland would be too small to “contribute meaningfully” to world security.

William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, said last year that both Scotland and the remainder of the UK would be “diminished” on the world stage.

Lord Robertson echoed this warning, adding: “The global balance would be substantially upset should one of the West’s key unions, and its second-biggest defence power, split up.

“The United Kingdom has always punched above its weight diplomatically and militarily. A break-up would have a serious effect on its role in the world — all the more so because Britain’s nuclear-deterrent base is in Scotland.”

He said the US and other countries were already concerned about the UK possibly leaving the EU but suggested they would find Scottish separation far more “disturbing”.

Addressing the fragmentation – or “re-Balkanisation” of Europe into a greater number of smaller countries, he said he said separatism offers “little” in a “fragile, unstable world” where problems are solved globally.

Lord Robertson also challenged the Nationalists’ assertions that a separate Scotland supposedly keeping the Queen, the pound and EU membership with the same opt-outs as the UK.

He said such questions could not be answered until after the referendum and he doubted his fellow Scots would take such a “drastic blind step” on September 18.

The Labour peer was Nato secretary general between 1999 and 2004 and has been scathing of the Nationalists’ claims they can join the nuclear alliance while at the same time getting rid of Trident.

A spokesman for the pro-UK Better Together campaign said: “"This is an important intervention from the former Nato Secretary General, a man with experience of the realities of international affairs.

“The SNP idea that everything will change but nothing will change simply isn't credible.”
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UK crying Uncle and asking Massa to protect Munna from partition. Cant they change the refrendum date forward to either August 15 or further to March 24? Indian should be the first country to invite the Quaid E Azam of free Scotland.
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What serious repercussions can be felt, if Europe stands divided, from viewpoint of India and greater Indian diaspora is something to think of. The global balance getting upset is serious though, regardless of little games played by UK. Can't play down its importance. Scots are playing a 'drastic blind step' that way. British should be a little thankful how Indian corporates have not let a few industries go bankrupt instead of flooding UK with jihadis like their strategic partner pakis.
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Jhujar wrote:UK crying Uncle and asking Massa to protect Munna from partition. Cant they change the refrendum date forward to either August 15 or further to March 24? Indian should be the first country to invite the Quaid E Azam of free Scotland.
Maybe, they should invite an Indian babu to draw the boundary maps (while sitting in a dusty office in Nai Dilli). Poetic justice.
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^ a lot of it is just the usual cribbing, a national pastime to indulge in such talks...nothing is going to come out of this.

the arrangement as is benefits the scots most. they have total local autonomy and they take more than what they give. why would anybody want to give up this cozy arrangement?

don't expect dudes in skirts throw down spears and march to capture edinburgh yelling 'freeeeedom'...
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Actually merger with Scotland was jeopardised when the English preferred to get a German baron as their king and fought Bonne Prince Charlie at Culledon.
It was bad faith all aong.
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Gus wrote:^ a lot of it is just the usual cribbing, a national pastime to indulge in such talks...nothing is going to come out of this.

the arrangement as is benefits the scots most. they have total local autonomy and they take more than what they give. why would anybody want to give up this cozy arrangement?

don't expect dudes in skirts throw down spears and march to capture edinburgh yelling 'freeeeedom'...
There is Billions of dollars of commerce and financial links that this is just for headlines. The entire economy for a population of 70M is over $2T and this is not going to change with this kind of autonomy.
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Listen to this very interesting debate on Scottish independence between Stuart Hosie of Scottish National Party and Pro-UK 'Lord' George Robertson (who is also a Scot btw). An audience vote taken before the debate was in favour of the Union but after the debate resulted in a complete turnaround.


Gus wrote:the arrangement as is benefits the scots most. they have total local autonomy and they take more than what they give. why would anybody want to give up this cozy arrangement?
The bolded part is not true. Listen to Stuart Hosie in the above youtube video.
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Gus wrote:^ a lot of it is just the usual cribbing, a national pastime to indulge in such talks...nothing is going to come out of this.

the arrangement as is benefits the scots most. they have total local autonomy and they take more than what they give. why would anybody want to give up this cozy arrangement?

don't expect dudes in skirts throw down spears and march to capture edinburgh yelling 'freeeeedom'...
If economy falters, Scots will demand independence. Fortunately for Cameron the numbers sound good. The common Brit really gives a rats arse to this anyway.
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Rony wrote: The bolded part is not true. Listen to Stuart Hosie in the above youtube video.
I think he is talking nonsense. Please see

http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-paper ... 04033.pdf‎

and also,

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/statistics/recei ... method.pdf
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Britain's wars 'have no strategy’, says top military adviser
Prof Sir Hew Strachan, one of Britain’s leading military thinkers, says Britain “bungled” its involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan and is guilty of “strategic failure” over Syria

*Playing second or turd fiddle to Uncle Sam surely is strategic catastrophe.The famous saying by DEan Acheson that "Britain has lost an empire and has yet to find a role",still holds good.The recent "wars" that he UK has plunged into are like the twitching of a dead body,the empire. The savage defence cuts have emasculated the British armed forces who simply cannot conduct their "expeditionary warfare" of yore which had the wealth of the colonies to subsidise them,nor the economic powerhouse that Britain once was.Even the EU nations pout together or NATO for that matter ,cannot conduct lengthy operations without the US military and moolah funding the operations.The US armtwists the oil rich states to assist in bankrolling their wars against "terror",esp. in the MEast.With the US deep in debt,and retreating all across the globe,Britain has been left high and dry with a confused grand strategy barring intel cooperation between the "5 eyes nations" and NATO membership.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... viser.html

By James Kirkup, and Ben Farmer

10:00PM GMT 08 Jan 2014

Britain lacks any clear military strategy, “bungled” its involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan and is guilty of “strategic failure” over Syria, a senior adviser to the Armed Forces has said.

David Cameron failed to deliver a British military intervention in Syria because of his “seat of the pants” approach to the issue, according to Prof Sir Hew Strachan.

Sir Hew, one of Britain’s leading military thinkers, has condemned the way in which recent British and American governments have approached the use of military force.

A lack of clear thinking about strategic objectives meant that the costly wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were mishandled, he said.

Sir Hew, Professor of the History of War at the University of Oxford, has advised the Coalition on its treatment of the Armed Forces. He currently sits on the Chief of the Defence Staff’s Strategic Advisory Panel, and advises the UK Defence Academy, which trains senior officers.

He makes the observations in a book, The Direction of War, to be published next week.

The book concludes that governments on both sides of the Atlantic have little or no idea of how to achieve their long-term ends through the use of military force and those ends are often poorly defined or not defined at all.


“The understanding and meaning of strategy has got lost, confused or become stripped of meaning,” he said. “Without strategic thought (or clear understanding of strategy) our execution of war aims is inevitably bungled – we didn’t know what to do or how we wanted to do it in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

He also castigates David Cameron and Barack Obama over their handling of Syria.

The UK and US backed away from a military intervention in the Syrian conflict last year after domestic controversy.

“This criticism applies equally to the UK and US. Presently we can’t make up our minds in Syria.

“We cannot articulate how our use of military means would deliver on a political end.

“The problems both Obama and Cameron have had in Congress and in Parliament have been indicative of the loose use and understanding of strategy.”

Mr Cameron made his decision after failing to persuade the House of Commons to back intervention. Sir Hew said: “The seat of the pants way (with insufficient preparing of the press or Parliament) in which our approach to Syria was handled showed a total absence of strategic thought and is, almost, another case study in strategic failure.”

The professor’s verdict may embarrass ministers, but his analysis has been backed by senior British officers.

One said: “We as soldiers have a responsibility to ensure the options and advice we give are good and sensible material to make decisions from.

“On the statesman side, over the last 10 years, I don’t think they have been terribly clever about trying to understand the art of the possible.

“Too much has been taken for granted and not enough time taken to understand the nature of the problems we are throwing the forces into.”
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To UK based readers, has there been any critical commentary at all, in the UK media, about the recent jaunt of the Indian MLA's, to foreign countries? In India, many people see it as a shameless waste of public money.

Are the Brits upset and angry that their aid to India is being used to fund Indian politicians' excursions to Turkey and other places?

Or do the Brits just hyper-ventilate when India actually achieves something impressive, like a satellite launch, a missile launch or the activation of a nuclear reactor on board a submarine?

Why don't the ever caring and compassionate Brits spell out how much money India wastes in foreign trips, corruption, scams, import of luxury goods, and funds stashed away in Swiss banks. Doesn't India have other priorities besides these activities? That money could go to alleviate poverty.
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Whatever happened to the "Snoopgate" td.?
Assange and Snowden vindicated.But the US will still come up with some cock and bull story about national security,treason,blah,blah,for its illegal global snooping.A message to the scumbags monitoring this forum and post too with their high-sh*t snoopin',"up yours matey!"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... ry-inquiry
NSA and GCHQ activities appear illegal, says EU parliamentary inquiry
Civil liberties committee report demands end to indiscriminate collection of personal data by British and US agencies

Nick Hopkins and Ian Traynor
The Guardian, Thursday 9 January 2014

Mass surveillance programmes used by the US and Britain to spy on people in Europe have been condemned in the "strongest possible terms" by the first parliamentary inquiry into the disclosures, which has demanded an end to the vast, systematic and indiscriminate collection of personal data by intelligence agencies.


The inquiry by the European parliament's civil liberties committee says the activities of America's National Security Agency (NSA) and its British counterpart, GCHQ, appear to be illegal and that their operations have "profoundly shaken" the trust between countries that considered themselves allies.

The 51-page draft report, obtained by the Guardian, was discussed by the committee on Thursday. Claude Moraes, the rapporteur asked to assess the impact of revelations made by the whistleblower Edward Snowden, lsocondemns the "chilling" way journalists working on the stories have been intimidated by state authorities.

Though Snowden is still in Russia, MEPs are expected to take evidence from him via video-link in the coming weeks, as the European parliament continues to assess the damage from the disclosures. Committee MEPs voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to have Snowden testify, defying warnings from key US congressmen that giving the "felon" a public platform would wreck the European parliament's reputation and hamper co-operation with Washington.

While 36 committee members voted to hear Snowden, only two, both British Conservatives, voted against. "Snowden has endangered lives. Inviting him at all is a highly irresponsible act by an inquiry that has had little interest in finding out facts and ensuring a balanced approach to this delicate issue," said Timothy Kirkhope, a Tory MEP. "At least if Snowden wants to give evidence, he will now have to come out of the shadows and risk his location being discovered."

The Lib Dem MEP Sarah Ludford denounced the Conservative position. "To ignore [Snowden] is absurd. The issue of whether the intelligence services are out of control merits serious examination in Europe as in the US. The Tories' ostrich-like denial is completely out of step with mainstream opinion in both continents, including Republicans in the US and Merkel's centre-right party in Germany. But their line is consistent with the obdurate refusal of Conservatives at Westminster to clarify and strengthen safeguards on snooping by GCHQ."

The draft by Moraes, a Labour MEP, describes some of the programmes revealed by Snowden over the past seven months – including Prism, run by the NSA, and Tempora, which is operated by GCHQ.The former allows the NSA to conduct mass surveillance on EU citizens through the servers of US internet companies. The latter sucks up vast amounts of information from the cables that carry internet traffic in and out of the UK.

he report says western intelligence agencies have been involved in spying on "an unprecedented scale and in an indiscriminate and non-suspicion-based manner". It is "very doubtful" that the collection of so much information is only guided by the fight against terrorism, the draft says, questioning the "legality, necessity and proportionality of the programmes".

The report also:

• Calls on the US authorities and EU states to prohibit blanket mass surveillance activities and bulk processing of personal data.

• Deplores the way intelligence agencies "have declined to co-operate with the inquiry the European parliament has been conducting on behalf of citizens".

• Insists mass surveillance has potentially severe effects on the freedom of the press, as well as a significant potential for abuse of information gathered against political opponents.

• Demands that the UK, Germany, France, Sweden and the Netherlands revise laws governing the activities of intelligence services to ensure they are in line with the European convention on human rights.

• Calls on the US to revise its own laws to bring them into line with international law, so they "recognise the privacy and other rights of EU citizens".


The draft, still to be voted on by the chamber, has no legal force and does not compel further action, but adds to the growing body of criticism and outrage at the perceived intelligence abuses.

Separately, the European parliament has drafted new legislation curbing the transfer of private data to third countries outside the EU and setting stiff conditions for the information transfers.

But hopes of getting the new rules into force before elections for the parliament in May are fading because of resistance from the UK and EU governments. "This is a tough issue, even thorny," Greece's justice minister, Charalampos Athanasiou, told the Guardian. Greece took over the running of the EU for six months this week. "There are different views in the member states. I can't be sure about being successful."

Moraes condemns the way the Guardian was forced to destroy the Snowden files it had in London, and says the detention at Heathrow of David Miranda, the partner of the former Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, constituted an interference with the right of freedom of expression under article 10 of the European convention on human rights.The report is also highly critical of the data exchange scheme Safe Harbor, which allow swaps of commercial information between US and European companies. The draft also questioned the Swift scheme supplying European financial transactions information to the Americans to try to block terrorist funding and the supply of information on transatlantic air passengers.

The European commissioner Viviane Reding says the Safe Harbor scheme is flawed and may need to be frozen.

She wants to make it harder for the big US internet servers and social media providers to transfer European data to third countries. She also wants to subject the firms to EU law rather than secret American court orders.

The Moraes report says the web companies taking part in Safe Harbor have "admitted that they do not encrypt information and communications flowing between their data centres, thereby enabling intelligence services to intercept information".

He calls for the suspension of information sharing until companies can show they have taken the all necessary steps to protect privacy.

The report calls on the European commission to present by this time next year an EU strategy for democratic governance of the internet, and warns there is currently "no guarantee, either for EU public institutions or for citizens, that their IT security or privacy can be protected from intrusion by well-equipped third countries or EU intelligence agencies".

It adds: "Recent revelations in the press by whistleblowers and journalists, together with the expert evidence given during this inquiry, have resulted in compelling evidence of the existence of far-reaching, complex and highly technologically advanced systems designed by US and some member states' intelligence services, to collect, store and analyse communication and metadata of all citizens around the world on an unprecedented scale and in an indiscriminate and non-suspicion-based manner."

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PS:So much for the gallant champions of human rights,democracy,etc.They've been caught out as being the worst scumbags and sh*tworms on the planet ,hypocrasies of the highest order and led by Uncle Toms like O'Bomber.
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